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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: on June 19, 2004, 10:38:00 am
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He looked rather haggard. He's gained weight again. He must be a bit too stressed out from promoting his flick. He deserves a long vacation at his manse in Upper Michigan. I would sugest buying a carbon-fiber kayak for relaxation...he could afford it.
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Yeah, he looked a lot worse than ususal. Interesting, even the right wingers have a site to monitor him: www.moorewatch.com (http://www.moorewatch.com)
Anybody going to see the film on Friday when it opens at the AFI? I'mhitting the "almost midnight" showing at 11:45, just curious if anybody else is going to be there from the board.
I think it's a bit extreme, but oh well.
I was surprised that Los Lobos (at 9:30 Club on Thursday) were just playing a mellow song for the show. I saw them two years ago at the club and they were pretty good, just not much of a stage presence.
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Originally posted by webjedi:
Interesting, even the right wingers have a site to monitor him: www.moorewatch.com (http://www.moorewatch.com)
Wow...a new bboard (http://www.moorewatch.com/forum/index.php) to try! Thanks.
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i always wondered where the hfstival.com crowd went when they got bored..
dig those crazy consiperacy theories, and just how much stock can you put in a site that has no concept of how an ad campagin can be created before a film is rated and the lagtime in updating said ads. of course it's just another case of moore "lying" :roll:
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Can anyone guess my screen name @ that bboard?
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Some interesting columns on the film:
Ebert: http://www.suntimes.com/output/entertainment/cst-ftr-moore18.html (http://www.suntimes.com/output/entertainment/cst-ftr-moore18.html)
E&P: http://www.mediainfo.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000536074 (http://www.mediainfo.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000536074)
Personally. . . . I'm waiting anxiously for Spider-Man 2.
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I am waiting for the remake of My Pet Goat:
Jerry Bruckheimer presents, a Michael Bey film. Jet Li is My Pet Goat. This film is not yet rated.
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Here's more fuel for the fire, for ggw...
Christopher Hitchens slams Moore's movie in Slate (http://slate.msn.com/id/2102723/)
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I'm not wasting my money on that Jackass and his stupid film. I wish he would go to Saudi so they could kidnap his dumb@ss. Even if they beheaded him that still wouldn't shut him up.
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Can't you see his fat head laying on the ground yelling "Shame on you Mr. President!" ?
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Originally posted by Bagalicious Tangster:
Here's more fuel for the fire, for ggw...
Christopher Hitchens slams Moore's movie in Slate (http://slate.msn.com/id/2102723/)
"In the interval between Moore's triumph at Cannes and the release of the film in the United States, the 9/11 commission has found nothing to complain of in the timing or arrangement of the flights."
Is there no one else but Moore upset about the quick Saudi flights out then?
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You mean these flights?
From Newsweek:
Saudi flights out of the United States. The movie claims that in the days after 9/11, when airspace was shut down, the White House approved special charter flights so that prominent Saudisâ??including members of the bin Laden familyâ??could leave the country. Author Craig Unger appears, claiming that bin Laden family members were never interviewed by the FBI. Not true, according to a recent report from the 9/11 panel. The report confirms that six chartered airplanes flew 142 mostly Saudi nationals out of the country, including one carrying members of the bin Laden family. But the flights didn't begin until Sept. 14â??after airspace reopened. Moreover, the report states the Saudi flights were screened by the FBI, and 22 of the 26 people on the bin Laden flight were interviewed. None had any links to terrorism.
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Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:
Originally posted by Bagalicious Tangster:
Here's more fuel for the fire, for ggw...
Christopher Hitchens slams Moore's movie in Slate (http://slate.msn.com/id/2102723/)
"In the interval between Moore's triumph at Cannes and the release of the film in the United States, the 9/11 commission has found nothing to complain of in the timing or arrangement of the flights."
Is there no one else but Moore upset about the quick Saudi flights out then? [/b]
i'm pissed noone got tortured. that's what every other country would do if they got attacked
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just got back from seeing Fahrenheit 9/11 and have to say that i no longer support the current president... and his own words and (in)actions did him in.
(i also notice that moorewatch.com is down, i wonder what they'll blame it on)
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I wish that I could see it, but the vast right wing conspiracy has conspired to keep it out of Republican controlled area theatres, such as those in rural MD/DE.
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
just got back from seeing Fahrenheit 9/11 and have to say that i no longer support the current president... and his own words and (in)actions did him in.
(i also notice that moorewatch.com is down, i wonder what they'll blame it on)
wow-- i'm surprised at the reactions. i haven't seen it yet, personally. but a friend of mine from back in WI who never registered to vote, never voted, and refuses to talk about politics called me Sat AM... she had seen the film, registered to vote with a volunteer standing outside the theatre afterword, and called me to say she couldn't believe what this prez is getting away with.
it seems the film works.
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I saw the movie yesterday at the AFI. There was a long line and the theatre was packed. I think just about every demographic was represented.
While there weren't any protestors, there were some folks from the Kerry campaign outside looking to register folks.
Though the film is basically preaching to the choir, it was really good. Moore isn't physically in the film as much as he was in Columbine. He definitely did his homework on finding out a lot of information to compile the documentary. Within the span of 2 hours, I laughed, cried, clapped and was angry. Just a head's up, the film does include some graphic scenes from Iraq, including the charred bodies of the contractors killed in Fallujah and other deaths.
The Silver Spring/Takoma Park area is pretty Democratic/left-leaning, so when a soldier injured in Iraq who was recovering at Walter Reed said he was going to do everything he could to support the Dems, people clapped and cheered.
I'm not sure if the film will change the minds of people sitting on the fence about the November election, but it may strengthen the resolve of those who have already made up their minds.
What's even more surprising are the box office figures so far...it's showing on 868 screens nationwide and made $8million on Friday alone.
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Originally posted by Random Citizen:
What's even more surprising are the box office figures so far...it's showing on 868 screens nationwide and made $8million on Friday alone.
If only it would make that much of an impact on the direction of this country which is going to Hell in a handbasket with what BOTH parties are doing to us! I so wish that the Dems would be the saviours that they so want us to believe that they are. From my view of history, they have only screwed us up just as badly. So much of this is such a fucking game to both parties! A game of who will win and take control rather than getting in and doing something good for all of America. Either way, Hitler, I mean Bush, scares the shit out of me!!!
Yes Dupek, I know that Big Fucking Brother is watching. There's nothing posted there that he doesn't know about me already.
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the fact that people from both parties have said that he blatanly uses false info in this movie to drive home his point makes me wonder why people will go and see this film and regard it as truth. moore is good at what he does...he's such a good spin artist that i can see why people, after seeing this film, come out with such a negative opinion of Bush. if anyone made a film being such a critic of any president im sure people would come out thinking they were horrible ...
go see the paper chase at black cat tonight..
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I'm not sure who you've talked to, but most people I know who have seen the film are viewing it as just that...a film. If anything, this film will open a public dialogue on all of our elected officials.
Not only is Bush painted in a bad light, but so are most of the politicians in Washington. Moore is pretty adamant that the film is meant to expose both the Republicans and the Democrats. The president doesn't have absolute authority to wage attacks on countries, he had some assistance in that (i.e. Congress).
He takes the U.S. mainstream media outlets to task as well for the lack of reporting on some of the items noted in the film--like the Taliban leaders visiting Texas in early 2001.
Originally posted by manimtired:
the fact that people from both parties have said that he blatanly uses false info in this movie to drive home his point makes me wonder why people will go and see this film and regard it as truth.
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Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:
I wish that I could see it, but the vast right wing conspiracy has conspired to keep it out of Republican controlled area theatres, such as those in rural MD/DE.
Go to the Crown theatres in Annapolis Mall. It might be your only shot (or wait for it to open in Wilmington, if it does - I'm sure the Pentagon won't allow it in Dover!). But go early; Annapolis is fairly conservative and the showing I saw sold out.
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Originally posted by Jaguär:
If only it would make that much of an impact on the direction of this country which is going to Hell in a handbasket with what BOTH parties are doing to us! A game of who will win and take control rather than getting in and doing something good for all of America. Either way, Hitler, I mean Bush, scares the shit out of me!!!
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just went to see it...
-sold out matinee show
-3 uniformed police officers present (to keep the peace)
-2 mom types ran out crying (brief gory scenes)
-i cried twice (not for the gory sh*t, though)
-got a 5 minute standing ovation
...even the sailors & cops were applauding
wow.
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this country is in the midst of a crisis without historical precedence.
this film presents facts that have been legally documented (otherwise moore would be liable for slander) , along w/ moore's personal parody of bush, jr via his silliest news excerpts. he unquestionably makes fun of bush's learning disorders & speech pathologies - OK to classify this portion of the film as democratic rhetoric.
but one simply cannot deny the facts presented. to do so would be politically irresponsible, wreckless & ignorant.
i was stranded in france during 9/11 and was prohibited from re-entering the usa for 7 days, so i don't know where you got the 9/14 date from.
i'm not for one side or the other- but the manner in which right wingers are working feverishly to keep this film from being seen - REALLY made me wanna see it.
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Today is the nationwide premiere of Michael Moore's new movie "Fahrenheit 9/11" â?? an analysis of how the president misled the country to war in Iraq and how the Bush-Saudi relationship has compromised America's national security. Even before the movie was public, the White House and its right-wing allies sought to smear both the film and Moore personally. Last month, White House communications director Dan Bartlett said the movie "was so outrageously false it's not even worth comment," even though he had not yet seen the film. Meanwhile, the Hollywood Reporter discovered that "big-time conservative donors" are funding a slew of anti-Moore activities. Following the White House's tactic of attacking critics' patriotism, the right-wing is also apparently bankrolling a movie called "Michael Moore Hates America." But despite conservatives' best efforts to discredit the film, the NY Times notes, "central assertions of fact in 'Fahrenheit 9/11' are supported by the public record." When the movie was aired at the Cannes Film Festival, it won top prize from a panel made up of mostly American and British judges.
Analyzing Fahrenheit 9/11 (http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVF&b=99709)
The above link takes you to the full article on the Center for American Progress website.
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Pete Townshend on Michael Moore (http://www.petetownshend.co.uk/diary/display.cfm?id=89&zone=diary)
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For some reason, Michael Moore doesn't seem like Pete Townsend's kind of guy...
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The Top 5 Alternate Titles for "Fahrenheit 9/11"
5> 2 Fat 2 Furious
4> Saving Senator Kerry
3> The Bonfire of Reality
2> Hey, If THIS Doesn't Get Me Into Streisand's Pants, Nothing Will
1> My Big Fat Geek Fretting
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Nation's Liberals Suffering from Outrage Fatigue (http://www.theonion.com/news/index.php?issue=4027&n=3)