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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: markie on April 29, 2005, 09:58:00 am
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Could the beltway ever be big enough? (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/04/28/AR2005042801402.html)
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as usual maryland and virginia can't work together, building another bridge across the potomac would make more sense.
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i believe the research on the beltway shows that up to a capacity of 24 lanes (12 each direction), it's a situation where the lanes will basically be full the minute they're built. In other words, to end gridlock, you'd need a 24 lane beltway.
yup, let's just pave the entire region.
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or realize that not everyone works in the district and can or wants to live near where they work. i'm all for mass transport but for me to metro to work it takes 75 minutes one way, which adds an hour extra then driving both ways. come up with an effective bus system that uses the beltway with connections that arrive more frequently than 30 minutes.
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ok, ok... i wasn't being argumentative. i'm just stating the facts, sir. i'm not falling into this trap again.
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Oh no, dont get chimbly started on the roads again!!!!
I agree with Kosmo. Perhaps we should be thinking of more metro lines, and more stops and so on. Or more buses to take you to Metro. whatever.
Also, I do like this plan because its not funded by state money (like another Metro line would be) so if you dont use it , you dont pay for it. I like that business!
And finally, since i dont live in VA or drive on the Capital Beltway that often, anything that alleviates a 4 1/2 hour drive from Baltimore to Fredericksburg on a SUNDAY FREAKING NIGHT is ok with me.
i think VA should ration cars out, personally. there are just too many of em.
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Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
ok, ok... i wasn't being argumentative. i'm just stating the facts, sir. i'm not falling into this trap again.
i don't think your being argumentative, all i'm saying is that what i really need is helicopter.... because it all about me dammit
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Originally posted by sonickteam3:
Also, I do like this plan because its not funded by state money (like another Metro line would be) so if you dont use it , you dont pay for it. I like that business!
sorry, guys, can't help but point this one out. *point* *point*
Many people share this point of view, and understandably. However, this thinking overlooks the public good done by public transportation-- the reduced traffic easing travel for car drivers, the reduced pollution, the increased accessibility of a low-wage work force to jobs, etc. Thus, some people would argue, since it offers benefits to the general public, the general public really aught to pay a share that equals the benefits they gain.
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It's 2005 for fuck sake. We should all be commuting via jet packs by now.
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Originally posted by Mongo:
It's 2005 for fuck sake. We should all be commuting via jet packs by now.
i concur!!!! it's a shame apple came up with the ipod instead :p
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Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
However, this thinking overlooks the public good done by public transportation-- the reduced traffic easing travel for car drivers, the reduced pollution, the increased accessibility of a low-wage work force to jobs, etc.
what thinking are you referring to , the thinking that toll lanes on the beltway should be paid for by the people that use them? I am sure you dont want to pay for them.
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what i'd really rather see is an express highway that goes from say... just past quantico to a few miles north of dc in MD... with absolutely NO exits between the start and the finish. that way those of us that are trying to get past dc don't have to deal with beltway traffic (the locals getting out of town) and won't have to spend 5.5 hours making a 150 mile trip.
it sucks to have a trip take an extra 1+ hours just because of backup within a <20mile span that's there basically every day.
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The problem is too many people! I'm always disturbed when I hear talk about declining birthrates in Canada and Europe as if it's a serious problem that needs to be addressed with massive immigration. What's wrong with having fewer people? A third or so of the US current population would be a good number; more in balance with resources and the amount of space. We should allow a declining birthrate here to reduce population instead of paving over the whole country
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I think the ideal solution is commuting on horseback. no need for roads.
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Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
I think the ideal solution is commuting on horseback. no need for roads.
i bet the horses would oppose you on that issue.
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Originally posted by edbert:
We should allow a declining birthrate here to reduce population instead of paving over the whole country
I'm pretty sure we do have a declining birthrate; below the replacement rate. We aren't in the same situation as Western Europe and Japan because we have higher immigration.
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seeing how it costs 6 million dollars per square mile of interstate (two lane), and that was ten years ago, you'll be witnessing the utter collapse of northern virginia folks within the next five to ten years, and the "l.a. commute" will be your next reality. god bless the countryside, you safeway, macaroni grill, and dick's sporting good, whores.
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I think Wyoming is the least populous state in the Union, with less than 150,000 residents.
There's more than enough land out there...we just need to actively encourage half the population of Virginia to leave.
:p
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Flying hydrogen-powered cars (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/04/15/60minutes/main688454.shtml) a reality soon...
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Originally posted by j_lee:
I think Wyoming is the least populous state in the Union, with less than 150,000 residents.
There's more than enough land out there...we just need to actively encourage half the population of Virginia to leave.
:p
i bet the people of Wyoming would oppose you on that issue.
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that wyoming plan sounds eerily similar to the Libertarian party's plan to move all its members to NH, thus overtaking its native voters, and turning NH into a libertarian state...
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Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
that wyoming plan sounds eerily similar to the Libertarian party's plan to move all its members to NH, thus overtaking its native voters, and turning NH into a libertarian state...
Libertarians make me laugh. everytime i think about em!
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Originally posted by sonickteam3:
Libertarians make me laugh. everytime i think about em!
What he said.
One of the reasons South Park has been pissing me off a bit more lately.
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Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
that wyoming plan sounds eerily similar to the Libertarian party's plan to move all its members to NH, thus overtaking its native voters, and turning NH into a libertarian state...
i thought new hampshire was already a libertarian haven.
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i guess not enough of a haven (http://www.freestateproject.org/news/media_archive/0098.php)
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Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
yup, let's just pave the entire region.
You mean like hee-haw is attempting in Iraq?
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
i thought new hampshire was already a libertarian haven.
They DO have the kewlest license plate slogan, "Live To Ride, Ride To Live", or some such.
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seen today cost to take express lanes from Stafford to DC
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EMEh8LNW4Ac-y34?format=png&name=small)