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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: rounder808 on September 22, 2006, 09:43:00 am
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last night when i attended the citizen cope show i experienced something that has probably made me the angriest person in america. when i arrived i threw away my coke bottle in the trash can outside, walked right up to the entrance, gave the guy my ticket and driver's lisence which says i was born in 1986, making me 19 years old...and he took my ticket gave me back my ID and said "nice try, i'll see you later."
i asked him what was going on and he said that i had been drinking and that i just threw away my bottle of alcohol (which was not true). then after calling the 411 to get 930's number i spoke to a woman inside who accused me of being drunk over the phone. i explained my situation and she said, "you are drunk sir, im sorry but you are drunk."
so after being denied admission to see my favorite artist, i get accused over the phone by someone i've never seen before in my life that i am drunk.
has anything like this happened to anyone and is there anything i can do about it? all i want is atleast my money back.
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Originally posted by broseph:
last night when i attended the citizen cope show i experienced something that has probably made me the angriest person in america. when i arrived i threw away my coke bottle in the trash can outside, walked right up to the entrance, gave the guy my ticket and driver's lisence which says i was born in 1986, making me 19 years old...and he took my ticket gave me back my ID and said "nice try, i'll see you later."
i asked him what was going on and he said that i had been drinking and that i just threw away my bottle of alcohol (which was not true). then after calling the 411 to get 930's number i spoke to a woman inside who accused me of being drunk over the phone. i explained my situation and she said, "you are drunk sir, im sorry but you are drunk."
so after being denied admission to see my favorite artist, i get accused over the phone by someone i've never seen before in my life that i am drunk.
has anything like this happened to anyone and is there anything i can do about it? all i want is atleast my money back.
No, you are the very first person to which this has happened. You should sell the movie rights.
The 411?
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i wrote "the 930" when i meant to write 411, hence "the 411." but seriously, is there any way to get my money back?
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Two observations:
1. You really shouldn't be drinking Coke. That shit will rot your guts and your teeth. You should have seen mine before I got them fixed.
2. You shouldn't be listening to Citizen Cope. That shit will rot your guts and your teeth.
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Originally posted by broseph:
has anything like this happened to anyone and is there anything i can do about it? all i want is atleast my money back.
it has happened before, and it will happen again. there is nothing to be done. you will not get your money back. learn a lesson, and don't drink before you come to the club next time.
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Originally posted by thatguy:
Originally posted by broseph:
has anything like this happened to anyone and is there anything i can do about it? all i want is atleast my money back.
it has happened before, and it will happen again. there is nothing to be done. you will not get your money back. learn a lesson, and don't drink before you come to the club next time. [/b]
i don't understand why my ticket was taken...i think it's just wrong for that to happen. i understand you reserving the right to deny admission to anyone for whatever reason you have, but to take my $30 ticket and then tell me i can't come in is messed up. atleast let me get my money back. and yea, don't worry, i'm pretty sure there's not gonna be a "next time"
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are you allowed to be 21+ and show up drunk?
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Originally posted by beetsnotbeats:
No, you are the very first person to which this has happened. You should sell the movie rights.
Edit: to whom this has happened.
They're, I feel better....
;)
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Did you buy your ticket with money made from a job? Or did mommy and daddy pay for the ticket?
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Originally posted by broseph:
i don't understand why my ticket was taken...i think it's just wrong for that to happen. i understand you reserving the right to deny admission to anyone for whatever reason you have, but to take my $30 ticket and then tell me i can't come in is messed up. atleast let me get my money back. and yea, don't worry, i'm pretty sure there's not gonna be a "next time"
i will explain this to you one more time, since the three or four times i explained it last night didn't seem to get through:
the 9:30 club is an all ages venue. therefore, we have to be incredibly strict about our policies regarding alcohol and minors. if we had admitted you last night and the alcohol control authorities had chosen to check up on us and found you inside under the influence of alcohol, we could be shut down. is it likely to happen? no. could it happen? yes. are we willing to take that risk? no.
it's very simple. you are not 21. you consumed alcohol before you attempted to enter the club. we denied you entry, as is our right as a private establishment. no refund is required by law. as i told you last night, you should consider yourself lucky that we just denied you entry. you could've been turned over to the police and been issued a citation or worse.
i'm sorry if you choose to stop coming to the club as a result of this situation, but keep in mind that it was your actions that lead to this situation.
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Originally posted by Weird Little Self Loathing Man:
Did you buy your ticket with money made from a job? Or did mommy and daddy pay for the ticket?
haha, oh my god you're funny. from a job and to be truthful i don't give a damn if you don't like cope or coke or whatever your personal preference on anything is, all i want is my $$.
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Originally posted by manimtired:
are you allowed to be 21+ and show up drunk?
we reserve the right to refuse entry to any patron we think is intoxicated to the point where they may pose a threat to themselves or others.
if someone over 21 shows up intoxicated, we usually give them the opportunity to sober up a bit and might let them in later, and then stamp them underage so that they cannot drink anymore. if they are stumbling drunk, they are just as likely to be denied as a minor.
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Originally posted by thatguy:
Originally posted by broseph:
i don't understand why my ticket was taken...i think it's just wrong for that to happen. i understand you reserving the right to deny admission to anyone for whatever reason you have, but to take my $30 ticket and then tell me i can't come in is messed up. atleast let me get my money back. and yea, don't worry, i'm pretty sure there's not gonna be a "next time"
i will explain this to you one more time, since the three or four times i explained it last night didn't seem to get through:
the 9:30 club is an all ages venue. therefore, we have to be incredibly strict about our policies regarding alcohol and minors. if we had admitted you last night and the alcohol control authorities had chosen to check up on us and found you inside under the influence of alcohol, we could be shut down. is it likely to happen? no. could it happen? yes. are we willing to take that risk? no.
it's very simple. you are not 21. you consumed alcohol before you attempted to enter the club. we denied you entry, as is our right as a private establishment. no refund is required by law. as i told you last night, you should consider yourself lucky that we just denied you entry. you could've been turned over to the police and been issued a citation or worse.
i'm sorry if you choose to stop coming to the club as a result of this situation, but keep in mind that it was your actions that lead to this situation. [/b]
i completely understand you denying my entrance to the club, i haven't had any question about it, there's no need to explain it again. all i want to know is why you would take a ticket and then not allow someone to go in. i now understnad there are no required refunds, but i just think it is a horrible policy to deny someone entrance and then take their ticket. i'm obvisouly not going to try to get back in because it would be a lost cause. but atleast let the person get a refund.
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Lesson learned :)
If you're underage and drinking out in your car or wherever, don't throw your bottle out in front of the club getting in that last drink. They're right there watching you as you hand over your under 21 ID. Plus make sure you're not smelling like booze. Easiest way to be denied besides stumbling down :)
Wasn't there a post exactly like this about 6 months ago. Oh wait, nevermind, this is the first time it's happened!
MindCage
Mindless Faith (http://www.mindlessfaith.com)
Deep6 Productions (http://www.deep6.com)
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Originally posted by MindCage:
Lesson learned :)
If you're underage and drinking out in your car or wherever, don't throw your bottle out in front of the club getting in that last drink. They're right there watching you as you hand over your under 21 ID. Plus make sure you're not smelling like booze. Easiest way to be denied besides stumbling down :)
Wasn't there a post exactly like this about 6 months ago. Oh wait, nevermind, this is the first time it's happened!
MindCage
Mindless Faith (http://www.mindlessfaith.com)
Deep6 Productions (http://www.deep6.com)
tried to search for a post on this before i wrote it but couldn't find a search option. i never asked if this was the first time that has happened, it's obviously happened before, just wanted to kno if anyone here had experience with it.
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I bet that after they confiscated your ticket, they resold it.
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Yeah ggw, to someone that was smelling crack, smack, snow, rip, splotch and swank. That happened to me last week.
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Am I missing something? How does one get drunk from drinking a bottle of Coke?
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Originally posted by broseph:
i completely understand you denying my entrance to the club, i haven't had any question about it, there's no need to explain it again. all i want to know is why you would take a ticket and then not allow someone to go in. i now understnad there are no required refunds, but i just think it is a horrible policy to deny someone entrance and then take their ticket. i'm obvisouly not going to try to get back in because it would be a lost cause. but atleast let the person get a refund.
first you lied about drinking and tried to play innocent, both last night and today on this forum. then you say that you understand why we deny entry, but ask why we would take the ticket and not let someone in. then you say that you wouldn't try to get back in and want a refund. the language you are using is unclear. if i misunderstood, i apologize.
if you break the rules of an establishment and get kicked out, you don't get a refund. you just happened to break the rules before you were let in. same deal. no refund.
you are entitled to your opinons regarding our policies, but the bottom line is: you screwed up. you got busted. the cost of the lesson is one $28 ticket (plus service fees). a relatively cheap lesson, compared to many others. hell, your buddy lost his ticket and his fake id. you got off easier than him.
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Originally posted by Weird Little Self Loathing Man:
Am I missing something? How does one get drunk from drinking a bottle of Coke?
Add rum.
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Originally posted by Weird Little Self Loathing Man:
Am I missing something? How does one get drunk from drinking a bottle of Coke?
apparently, unbeknownst to mr. broseph, the coca cola bottling company put alcohol in the two bottles that he and his friend had last night.
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Well, it's better than those syringes that were showing in in the late 80s...
Originally posted by thatguy:
Originally posted by Weird Little Self Loathing Man:
Am I missing something? How does one get drunk from drinking a bottle of Coke?
apparently, unbeknownst to mr. broseph, the coca cola bottling company put alcohol in the two bottles that he and his friend had last night. [/b]
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People were shooting Coca-Cola with syringes?
Originally posted by nkotb:
Well, it's better than those syringes that were showing in in the late 80s...
Originally posted by thatguy:
Originally posted by Weird Little Self Loathing Man:
Am I missing something? How does one get drunk from drinking a bottle of Coke?
apparently, unbeknownst to mr. broseph, the coca cola bottling company put alcohol in the two bottles that he and his friend had last night. [/b]
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why would you take his fake id...right out of his wallet?
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Yes, but several people died after cutting it with Fresca.
Originally posted by Weird Little Self Loathing Man:
People were shooting Coca-Cola with syringes?
Originally posted by nkotb:
Well, it's better than those syringes that were showing in in the late 80s...
Originally posted by thatguy:
Originally posted by Weird Little Self Loathing Man:
Am I missing something? How does one get drunk from drinking a bottle of Coke?
apparently, unbeknownst to mr. broseph, the coca cola bottling company put alcohol in the two bottles that he and his friend had last night. [/b]
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My mistake; it was Pepsi cans:
Wikipedia link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PepsiCo#Tampering)
Originally posted by Weird Little Self Loathing Man:
People were shooting Coca-Cola with syringes?
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Originally posted by broseph:
why would you take his fake id...right out of his wallet?
do you really want to get into details like this in public?
he pulled out his id and handed it to me. even if i couldn't tell that the id was fake, which i could from across a crowded room, he pulled it out from behind his real id. not a very smart move. once again, your friend should consider himself lucky that we don't turn such situations over to the police.
i have to go do this whole v fest thing, so i might be away from my computer for a couple of days. if you want to continue running around in circles with me, lying about last night, or anything else, you'll have to wait until i get back.
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Originally posted by thatguy:
Originally posted by broseph:
why would you take his fake id...right out of his wallet?
do you really want to get into details like this in public?
he pulled out his id and handed it to me. even if i couldn't tell that the id was fake, which i could from across a crowded room, he pulled it out from behind his real id. not a very smart move. once again, your friend should consider himself lucky that we don't turn such situations over to the police.
i have to go do this whole v fest thing, so i might be away from my computer for a couple of days. if you want to continue running around in circles with me, lying about last night, or anything else, you'll have to wait until i get back. [/b]
he showed you his real id and you saw his fake...according to him
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Originally posted by amnesiac:
Originally posted by Weird Little Self Loathing Man:
Am I missing something? How does one get drunk from drinking a bottle of Coke?
Add rum. [/b]
Rumpelstiltskin?
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Originally posted by kcjones119:
Rumpelstiltskin?
Half Goldschlager, Half Rumplemintze
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Originally posted by broseph:
he showed you his real id and you saw his fake...according to him [/b]
According to him? LOL, yeah, he's such an honest person and we should believe everything he says with his fake ID card and drinking under age....Oh wait, it was coca cola...sorry.
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Originally posted by broseph:
Originally posted by thatguy:
Originally posted by broseph:
why would you take his fake id...right out of his wallet?
do you really want to get into details like this in public?
he pulled out his id and handed it to me. even if i couldn't tell that the id was fake, which i could from across a crowded room, he pulled it out from behind his real id. not a very smart move. once again, your friend should consider himself lucky that we don't turn such situations over to the police.
i have to go do this whole v fest thing, so i might be away from my computer for a couple of days. if you want to continue running around in circles with me, lying about last night, or anything else, you'll have to wait until i get back. [/b]
he showed you his real id and you saw his fake...according to him [/b]
I go to Birchmere for the food.
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Originally posted by broseph:
Originally posted by thatguy:
Originally posted by broseph:
why would you take his fake id...right out of his wallet?
do you really want to get into details like this in public?
he pulled out his id and handed it to me. even if i couldn't tell that the id was fake, which i could from across a crowded room, he pulled it out from behind his real id. not a very smart move. once again, your friend should consider himself lucky that we don't turn such situations over to the police.
i have to go do this whole v fest thing, so i might be away from my computer for a couple of days. if you want to continue running around in circles with me, lying about last night, or anything else, you'll have to wait until i get back. [/b]
he showed you his real id and you saw his fake...according to him [/b]
Well again he should consider himself lucky. Do you know how often there are police officers that are hanging outside of the club? You're lucky the staph was being cool about it and not turning either of you over to let the cops handle it. A fake ID is a lot worse, and even worse to have BOTH IDs in plain view!!
Damn you both are stupid. Let it go and stop while you are only out $28 and a little pride.
MindCage
Mindless Faith (http://www.mindlessfaith.com)
Deep6 Productions (http://www.deep6.com)
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best thread
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Originally posted by amnesiac:
Originally posted by Weird Little Self Loathing Man:
Am I missing something? How does one get drunk from drinking a bottle of Coke?
Add rum. [/b]
post of the day for sure!
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i think we should also kick this guy out of the forum. and send him to AA. he's probably posting drunk too.
also, i laugh really hard at anyone who ever blames thatguy for bring unfair or rude. it just doesnt happen.
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Originally posted by Buck Satan:
Originally posted by broseph:
he showed you his real id and you saw his fake...according to him [/b]
According to him? LOL, yeah, he's such an honest person and we should believe everything he says with his fake ID card and drinking under age....Oh wait, it was coca cola...sorry. [/b]
you never drank before you were under 21? had a fake ID? come on rob, have a LITTLE understanding that they are just young.
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shortly after i moved out to d.c. after college, i once had staph take away my real california id and told me that it was fake. california used to not replace expired licenses, but would just mail out a paper extension- so, i was still using my california license, which was expired, but i had my extension (staph was quite taken aback with california license rules and practice). plus, my license was the first year california went high tech, and was the only year they used a particular color scheme, which was not represented in the id book.
after explaining the whole thing, staph gave me back my id and said get a local id card.
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Originally posted by MindCage:
Wasn't there a post exactly like this about 6 months ago. Oh wait, nevermind, this is the first time it's happened!
If I remember correctly, that particular person was denied entry ONLY because they "had red lips," but NOT because they were drunk from their red wine.
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maybe we should get rid of idiots (hint, hint)
Originally posted by le sonick:
i think we should also kick this guy out of the forum. and send him to AA. he's probably posting drunk too.
also, i laugh really hard at anyone who ever blames thatguy for bring unfair or rude. it just doesnt happen.
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Originally posted by Joe M.:
maybe we should get rid of idiots (hint, hint)
Are you hinting that you're leaving?
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should have been drinking cocaine.
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Originally posted by le sonick:
also, i laugh really hard at anyone who ever blames thatguy for bring...rude. it just doesnt happen.
Clearly, you've never played Halo against him...
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Originally posted by broseph:
he showed you his real id and you saw his fake...according to him
he handed me his fake id, and i saw the real one. it seems odd that the two of you are having trouble remembering what happened last night. it's almost as if there was some sort of substance in your system that had some impact on you. must've been the coke.
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Originally posted by le sonick:
also, i laugh really hard at anyone who ever blames thatguy for bring unfair or rude. it just doesnt happen.
i suppose that unfair is subjective, but i do my best to avoid being rude. sometimes i slip up and my sarcasm slips through though. i try to keep it under control.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Clearly, you've never played Halo against him...
i don't know what you are talking about. i'm a perfect gentleman while playing video games.
it's been too long. we need to get a game together.
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in college we all knew not to even test 930 club, we'd use our fake IDs pretty much everywhere else in the city other than there ... you guys were just way to harDCore
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I understand them not letting you in but they should have given you your unused ticket back. You did pay 30 bucks for the ticket even if they aren't going to let you use it. The show was soldout and I don't think its illegal to sell it to someone else if you sell it for underface value.
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But how could he even coherently sell a ticket if he was that wasted?
Listen, I understand the whole not being able to drink at shows thing. It sucks. But deal with it. In a few years it'll be a non-issue. The worst part of this whole ordeal is that he is lying. In the first post, he tried to play it off like he was a poor kid accused of drinking who wasn't. But you clearly WERE drinking, because you said you understood why you were denied admission. So there you go.
Listen, if you really want to drink, at least control yourself and either do it somewhere else afterwards or allow yourself enough time before you need to enter the show to sober up. Don't sit there and drink outside the fucking club and then whine when they don't admit you. I'm sorry, but I have no sympathy for people who drink irresponsably and then whine about it. If you want to get wasted, by all means, get wasted, but don't do it directly outside a club that you know is all-ages for a reason.
Plus, if you liked Citizen Cope or whoever it was that much, you would've been happy enough to just be seeing him. No buzz needed for a great night of live music...
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Originally posted by le sonick:
i think we should also kick this guy out of the forum.
don't worry. if you gave this kid a loaded gun, he'd put it to his head and pull the trigger just to see if it works.
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I too would have had to be drunk to see Citizen Cope again, while Clarence is a fascinating guy his stage show leaves much to be desired... and as for the guy bitching he got kicked, be glad you weren't arrested. I was the ballbreaker when it came to underage drinking when I worked for bands/at venues. I was often let in underage to work merch and I had to sign my life away stating they could haul me to jail no questions asked if I got caught drinking. I didn't drink in a venue until I was 21.
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Originally posted by Che:
I understand them not letting you in but they should have given you your unused ticket back. You did pay 30 bucks for the ticket even if they aren't going to let you use it.
Why on earth would the club owe a refund? It's this kid's fault that the club refused to let him in. Why would the club have to take money out of their pocket because this kid screwed up? And if they just gave him the ticket back, under the assumption he would be able to sell it himself, what would prevent him from trying to get into the show with it? Yeah, most of us, when told we're not allowed in, would probably not press our luck but "most" doesn't mean "all." Some fools are going to walk around the block, then back up to the door to try and get in again.
The 9:30 WANTS you to come inside and see the show. Even if you're not drinking, you're going to buy a coke or a t-shirt or something. They make more money off you when you're inside, not outside. You tell your friends what a great time you had, and they sell more tickets off of that word-of-mouth. You have to be pretty unwelcome before they make you leave. And if you're that unwelcome, I don't think you deserve your money back.
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if only he'd smoked weed instead.
"uhmm, huge dude with many cute tatts and piercings . . . that was just a cigarette butt i threw in the trash. i swear."
then the id thing wouldn't have been an issue; all ages can smoke herb. just ask willie.
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As an outsider to the usual goings on I'd just like to say... Is this topic still really carrying on? ... Really?.?
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Originally posted by bikerchickdc:
Originally posted by Che:
I understand them not letting you in but they should have given you your unused ticket back. You did pay 30 bucks for the ticket even if they aren't going to let you use it.
Why on earth would the club owe a refund? It's this kid's fault that the club refused to let him in. [/b]
While I don't emphathize much, it is true that the kid could have sold his ticket. He wasn't drinking in the club, he never got in. Hence, he hadn't broken any club rules and so he should have been able to keep his ticket for a secondary sale.
Alas, I have a feeling that the kids were too wasted to have been reasonable or have figured out they could sell tickets to a sold out show rather than trying to demand a refund from the club, which was in its rights to disallow entrance.
As for the kids, let me tell you this -- I'm in my late thirties, and if I don't have proper ID, the club will stamp me with the underage stamp. While it seems kind of crazy (as I'm old enough to be mother to some of the other patrons), I understand it. It's very tough dealing with an all ages club that serves alcohol. We've had this discussion here before -- it's a damn incredible service they're offering the under 21 crowd, so don't louse it up.
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Originally posted by you be betty:
But how could he even coherently sell a ticket if he was that wasted?
But that's not the club's call, whether he's capable of selling it (hell, I'm not all that capable as I'm pretty meek, but that's my deal to work with).
He can cross the street and try to sell his ticket -- hell, he might have made a jackass of himself, or worse drawn the attention of the cops that are always around the club. That'd be his problem. He never got in the club, so I think the ticket should have been his to deal with.
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Originally posted by bikerchickdc:
And if they just gave him the ticket back, under the assumption he would be able to sell it himself, what would prevent him from trying to get into the show with it? Yeah, most of us, when told we're not allowed in, would probably not press our luck but "most" doesn't mean "all." Some fools are going to walk around the block, then back up to the door to try and get in again.
After the scene they caused, they would never get in to that club. No way, no how.
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Originally posted by Bags:
Originally posted by you be betty:
But how could he even coherently sell a ticket if he was that wasted?
But that's not the club's call, whether he's capable of selling it (hell, I'm not all that capable as I'm pretty meek, but that's my deal to work with).
He can cross the street and try to sell his ticket -- hell, he might have made a jackass of himself, or worse drawn the attention of the cops that are always around the club. That'd be his problem. He never got in the club, so I think the ticket should have been his to deal with. [/b]
I agree fully. Kid did a dumb thing, but don't take his ticket from him.
It's the club's responsibility to make sure he doesn't get in the show. So let the guy come back and pester you at the door some more...just don't let him in. Taking his ticket just isn't cool. If he's "responsible" enough to be drinking, he should be "responsible" enough to deal with his own ticket.
Plus, as far as teaching him a lesson, in his way he sees his not getting into the show now as the club's fault...they took his ticket. Letting him deal with it himself might be a better way to show that it's his issue, not yours. That's what I say at least.
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Originally posted by you be betty:
So let the guy come back and pester you at the door some more...just don't let him in. [/b][/QUOTE]
The staph has many other things to deal with at the door. Minimizing encounters with people like this kid enables them to better serve the other customers.
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Originally posted by twangirl:
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The staph has many other things to deal with at the door.
What? Looking at the hot chicks in mini skirts?
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I sure hope the kiddies took metro.
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this all happened on the stoop of the club. i was standing in the doorway when i took their tickets, which they handed to me. they were attempting to enter the club at the time.
i could've waited until they were processed at the front door and let into the club, then told someone to keep an eye on them, then waited 10 or 15 minutes until their 21 year old friend bought them a drink or they did something stupid inside, then kicked them out. or, i could cut it off before the problem arose since they had already broken the rules.
if they were kicked out from inside, they would not have been able to sell their tickets. this is the same situation. all i did was save myself and the staph 15 minutes of work.
i was not willing to risk them getting in later if i walked away from the door for a minute, so i was not willing to give them their tickets back. people go to great lengths to get in/back in to the club when we don't want them there. when i have a sold out crowd to deal with, i'm going to make it as easy as possible to keep the people out that need to be kept out. if they don't have their tickets, and can't buy another one, they aren't getting in.
the two people in question demanded refunds, which was not going to happen. if they had asked if they could sell their tickets, i might've supervised the process and let them do it, but then again, i might not have.
nobody else on this site was involved with this situation. you don't know the attitude or demeanor of the patrons in question. if presented with the same situation, i would make the same decisions.
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Originally posted by you be betty:
Taking his ticket just isn't cool. If he's "responsible" enough to be drinking, he should be "responsible" enough to deal with his own ticket.
Plus, as far as teaching him a lesson, in his way he sees his not getting into the show now as the club's fault...they took his ticket. Letting him deal with it himself might be a better way to show that it's his issue, not yours. That's what I say at least.
I'm quite sure the staph was not worried about teaching the kid a lesson or otherwise addressing his issues. The staph is very very cool to club patrons, and they do keep an eye towards keeping the youngin's safe. But that does not mean that the club is some Boys and Girls Club of Rock n' Roll charged with steering misguided youth away from the dark side one ticket at a time. 4-H ain't printed on the staph's t-shirts. What isn't cool is jeopardizing the liquor license of a venue that really works to make sure all ages can attend shows. Honestly, taking that kid's ticket and getting rid of him is the coolest thing that the club could do for everyone under 21 that wants to keep seeing shows.
Also, remember that this is only a discussion because the kid was stupid enough to make it one. A smart person would sober up, realize he did a stupid thing, lay low for a while, let others make asses out of themselves at the door for a while, and then return to the club incident free. This guy apparently thought it would be a good idea to crystallize his image in the staph's memory by pushing the issue. Half of being a successful advocate is choosing a worthy cause. This guy isn't it.
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First off I was not at this show, my comments are based on what I have read here and knowing the staph from frequenting the club. All I can say is that I 100% agree with the choices made by the thatguy. One of the main reasons we drive up to the club from Richmond as often as we do is because of how well the place is run. Bottom line is if you break the rules and get caught, you deal with the consequences. You break the rules and act like a dick in the process, game over.
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Originally posted by RatBastard:
All I can say is that I 100% agree with the choices made by the thatguy. One of the main reasons we drive up to the club from Richmond as often as we do is because of how well the place is run.
Just a note that I agree -- Staff's judgement, and Thatguy's in particular, is extremely sound. I wouldn't question his handling of the situation. I have no idea how much of a problem the kids posed.
I'm glad to be beyond those days, lemme tell ya.
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this thread is great.
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you know what gets me the most out of all this...
I have been going to shows for what... over 15+ years now, I am probably a little older than the VAST majority of you people here who frequent this board, I drop in to peer around from time to time. I go to shows look around me and discover I am not that young 20's guy any more.. I may stand out but who gives a fuck I want to see my bands, and artists.
What I just have never understood in my entire life of going to concerts is WHY... WHY for the love of mergatroid if you call yourself A MUSIC FAN would you go inebreiate your senses BEFORE or DURING the show. why even bother seeing the band if you can't logicaly take in the experience with a clear mind??
Now I can see maybe some minor exceptions to this like a few dead heads having a couple tokes which probably does NOTHING for them, but concerts are all about hearing your favourite song, if the opening act is going to be good, listening for that killer jam or riff, to do that you have to YOUR SENSES!!
If you love a band so much, why would you go spend the first 3 songs of a show completly pie -eyed and then running to the john to huge the porcelain and miss the whole set?? I have gone to so many shows and seen this, why the fuck are you even here?? I keep saying to myself when I see these fuckwads.
When I was at shows I desperatly wanted to see and saw this behaviour my only thought was, you know you are taking the place of some rabid fan who couldn't get tix for this show and you spend 90% of your time so out of it you can't even appreciate it, hear it, or even see it.
I see these little dumb fucks and I want to kick their heads in.
I have also been in line outside at the show and seen people drinking, and one of the bouncers (I don't know his name he's the one with the big earings loops) flat out said okay you are not coming into my club. Fuking rights...
If you call yourself a music fan, but go to shows completly bombed before the show you are not a fan you're a fukin tool. just give me your ticket(s) so that way me and friends can save some coin.
Rant over....
no smilies... ok maybe one :mad:
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Originally posted by smakawhat:
I go to shows look around me and discover I am not that young 20's guy any more.. I may stand out but who gives a fuck I want to see my bands, and artists.
Hell - I'm not even that young 30's guy anymore. Ugh.
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Right. And I mean you don't have to get defensive, of course I applaud thatguy. I love this club, I love the staff, you are all great. I probably would have handled it differently myself...but that is why I don't work there and you do.
It's like those kids who planned on getting high and sent the cops on a chase to Fort Reno. You should respect those involved in the process of bringing music to you. We're lucky enough to have a great venue here that is all-ages and people that want to work towards letting us see bands. So don't go and do stupid shit to ruin it for everyone else. I'm a bit worried about the whole generation in general.
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Originally posted by Bombay Chutney:
Originally posted by smakawhat:
I go to shows look around me and discover I am not that young 20's guy any more.. I may stand out but who gives a fuck I want to see my bands, and artists.
Hell - I'm not even that young 30's guy anymore. Ugh. [/b]
Hell I am not even that your 40s guy and more! But I do go to about 50-60 shows a year AND since I dont drink, I remember all of them and alwasy have a great time.
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pre-gaming could be fun but not if you really care about the band...and i would never fuck around with 930 since they are strict. but still cool.
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Damn smakawhat, got some issues or something?
First off, I'd say most of the regs on here have been going to shows for as long or longer than your storied 15 years so no need to qualify yourself there.
Lemme say that I haven't been loaded in about 10 years....but I can definately tell you that in the days I did so, being high or drunk or whatever definately enhanced many a show for me.
So if you're a purtitan or whatever, great for you but don't condemn the whole world for getting buzzed for a show.
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Sr Carlos - my hope is that he isn't talking about getting a light buzz on, he's talking about getting totally shit-faced to the point where you can't remember and/or enjoy the show (i complained about something similar at vfest).
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Originally posted by sweetcell:
Sr Carlos - my hope is that he isn't talking about getting a light buzz on, he's talking about getting totally shit-faced to the point where you can't remember and/or enjoy the show (i complained about something similar at vfest).
Please please....call me chaz...
You're propably right, his/her rant was just so condescending and judgmental in tone.
That whole "inebriate your senses" crap...c'mon. The real world is overrated. Just cuz I don't do it anymore doesn't mean I can't see the value in getting loaded and shutting it out once in a while.
I don't really care what people do before/during a show. Not to say I havne't been irritated by an obnoxious drunk or two, but you get my drift.
As long as people realize what they do can sometimes have consequences and don't cry when they experience them...
Thatguy, you gave the OP the gift on consequences. Maybe next time he'll be a little bit smarter for it.
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this is great....
...i bet it'll be even better after a few beers.