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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: GabrielG54 on May 26, 2005, 08:46:00 am
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Quick Question - I just had the "privilege" of purchasing 4 tickets to the nissian coldplay show for a paltry $315.40.
I Got GA-PIT tickets. Please tell me this is actually the area in front of the stage and not the lawn. I got GA tickets for the wilco presale and i ended up getting lawn tickets by mistake.
Anyone care to quell my anxiety that i just dropped 300 bucks to sit on grass and listen to coldplay like they are coming out of a cd player as 5000 kids talk over my ability to hear anything? Anyone? Please?
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I did the same thing and my impression is that you are correct. I did a triple-take to make sure.
Check out the orchestra. Should be great seats.
http://www.nissanpavilion.com/flash/launchwindow-main.html (http://www.nissanpavilion.com/flash/launchwindow-main.html)
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I did the same thing for the VA Beach show. I was surprised to see GA Pit, it not being on the normal seating configuration, but I bought 2 of them anyway for $163. They're clearly labeled Pit on the receipt, and my understanding is that they remove orch seats at the larger venues to create the small gated "pit" area. Additionally, on the email purchase confirmation i received, its says "ORCH-GA PIT." They're doing this at a lot of venues for this tour at which they normally don't.
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Thanks, I suppose that makes me feel a little bit better.
Still though, 70 bucks. Sigh.
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Some folk have more money than sense.
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Originally posted by O'Mankie:
Some folk have more money than sense.
HAHAHA. i think its "some folk have more dollars than sense"
its still perfect for this thread.
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Originally posted by O'Mankie:
Some folk have more money than sense.
Care to clarify?
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I like coldplay. I enjoy their music. They are a great live band. Im poor, but im willing to treat myself to a concert i'll certainly enjoy. What the fuck is it to you? Insulting me for spending 70 bucks on a concert. Get a life.
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Originally posted by GabrielG54:
I like coldplay. I enjoy their music. They are a great live band. Im poor, but im willing to treat myself to a concert i'll certainly enjoy. What the fuck is it to you? Insulting me for spending 70 bucks on a concert. Get a life.
i'm sure there are bands that many of us would be willing to pay $70 for (just ask bags), but paying $70 to see coldplay?
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Yeah - Paying 70 dollars to see coldplay. I cant understand paying 70 bucks to see the pixies (so help me god if this sparkes a pixies/coldplay debate because that is not the point and i realize the amount of pixie lovers here), but im not ripping everyone else to shreds about it having happened this past year. To each his/her own.
Save it for the guy that just dropped 500 for 2 pit tickets and leave me and my money decisions alone.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=16122&item=6535031114&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=16122&item=6535031114&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW)
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Originally posted by beedubyah:
Originally posted by O'Mankie:
Some folk have more money than sense.
Care to clarify? [/b]
I'd guess he's saying this is too much to see coldplay.....
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Originally posted by GabrielG54:
I like coldplay. I enjoy their music. They are a great live band. Im poor, but im willing to treat myself to a concert i'll certainly enjoy. What the fuck is it to you? Insulting me for spending 70 bucks on a concert. Get a life.
touchy touchy.
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Originally posted by beedubyah:
Originally posted by O'Mankie:
Some folk have more money than sense.
Care to clarify? [/b]
coldplay is charging ridiculous prices this tour.
and people are so hyped up on coldplay for this upcoming album release/tour that they don't care and will pay it.
... or he's saying coldplay sucks.
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seeing coldplay tickets @ $70 just solidifies my belief that next time james brown comes through it is worth dropping $50 to see him.
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Originally posted by distance:
seeing coldplay tickets @ $70 just solidifies my belief that next time james brown comes through it is worth dropping $50 to see him.
Here, here.
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I like a lot of bands that I realize may not be other people's cup of tea. I understand that.
I also understand that this softer, "bed-wetting" music doesnt appeal to everyone.
What I dont understand is how you cannot acknowledge that while Coldplay does not play typical rock music (or whatever genre you are into), they are an extremely talented band and are great at what they do.
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Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:
Originally posted by distance:
seeing coldplay tickets @ $70 just solidifies my belief that next time james brown comes through it is worth dropping $50 to see him.
Here, here. [/b]
not to be nit picky. but its "hear hear" not "here here"
unless you're calling for your dog and posted here by mistake :)
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yeah but i can go see The High Dials who are very good at what they do for a lot less money.... Why aren't they as big as Coldplay.
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
i'm sure there are bands that many of us would be willing to pay $70 for (just ask bags), but paying $70 to see coldplay?
Hey! Skeeter...err, I mean Bombay...goes to as many higher priced shows as I do! He even bought a shirt for $35 at moveon.org -- dude, I didn't do that!! :D
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i think instead of posting in here you should come play online poker with me.
games.yahoo.com
social lounge 3...
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Originally posted by sonickteam4:
unless you're calling for your dog and posted here by mistake :)
I have a kitty cat, and her name is Lily, thank you very much!
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Originally posted by beedubyah:
I also understand that this softer, "bed-wetting" music doesnt appeal to everyone.
I'm enjoying this new genre that's emerged -- 'bed-wetting' bands. Finally a description that makes perfect sense (and it has been used at least twice on here, maybe more).
PS, Snow Patrol is NOT a bed-wetter band. You may think they're vanilla, but they are NOT bed-wetters! ;)
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
yeah but i can go see The High Dials who are very good at what they do for a lot less money.... Why aren't they as big as Coldplay.
The age old question, my friend. And I'll be going to see Sloan for $12 at a show that won't sell out. Maybe it's a good thing, otherwise every concert I went to would be expensive.
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Originally posted by TheNextSurprise:
Quick Question - I just had the "privilege" of purchasing 4 tickets to the nissian coldplay show for a paltry $315.40.
I Got GA-PIT tickets. Please tell me this is actually the area in front of the stage and not the lawn. I got GA tickets for the wilco presale and i ended up getting lawn tickets by mistake.
Anyone care to quell my anxiety that i just dropped 300 bucks to sit on grass and listen to coldplay like they are coming out of a cd player as 5000 kids talk over my ability to hear anything? Anyone? Please?
and the good news is... you can still buy even more GA pit tickets. Last I had checked they didn't sell out during the pre-sale. my prediction is now a bunch of scalpers will buy up the rest of the tickets, and there will be people willing to pay lots of money. so some people could potentially get rich off of coldplay. :)
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Originally posted by beedubyah:
I also understand that this softer, "bed-wetting" music doesnt appeal to everyone.
i was just thinking about this earlier, because i really like belle & sebastian (who are about as twee, bedwetter, soft, or whatever as they come) but i'm not a big fan of coldplay (because of these same qualities)
i think the critical difference (to me, personally) is that b&s have a really healthy sense of irony and sarcasm mixed in, whereas coldplay is just so damn sincere ... they're certainly good at what they do, though ...
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
yeah but i can go see The High Dials who are very good at what they do for a lot less money.... Why aren't they as big as Coldplay.
because there isn't much of a market for byrd's-influenced psychedelic throwbacks?
i know you're not that naive :D
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Originally posted by Bags:
Hey! Skeeter...err, I mean Bombay...goes to as many higher priced shows as I do! He even bought a shirt for $35 at moveon.org -- dude, I didn't do that!! :D
Yeah, but you had good seats for that show - I stayed with the cheap seats, so I had a little $$$ leftover for a t-shirt :D
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Originally posted by Bombay Chutney:
Originally posted by Bags:
Hey! Skeeter...err, I mean Bombay...goes to as many higher priced shows as I do! He even bought a shirt for $35 at moveon.org -- dude, I didn't do that!! :o
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Originally posted by beedubyah:
Originally posted by O'Mankie:
Some folk have more money than sense.
Care to clarify? [/b]
Yes,
Coldplay don't suck, they are simply a very average band and $70 is not an average ticket price. They should be in the $25-$30 range.
My prediction is in 1-2 years nobody will remember their name anyway.
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I just bought an Elliott Smith bootleg DVD for $18 (1 acoustic show, 1 show w/a band) and have to say it's some of the best money I've ever spent. Halfway through "Son of Sam" I realized I was totally losing it...what a talented son of a bitch. God I miss him.
The point of my post? Do what you want. It's only money. Not to be morbid, but the musicians on that stage will be dead and gone before you know it and so will we. It's a fact of life. Enjoy the Coldplay show. It's only money, and if you have eat ramen noodles for a week, so be it. If Chris Martin dies next year, you'll be glad you went and at least you can have the memories of having great seats. As for me, I saw Elliot 4 times (once with Heatmiser, once solo, twice with a band). I never even think about the money I spent because the memories I have are more valuable than the cash I spent.
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Bearman, what you say is true (or, at least, I agree with it). On the flip side, I've paid $5 for a show and thought, "holy shit, is there ANY way I can get that 2 hours of my life back?" And that two hours is worth way more than $5, sometimes even more than $70. ;)
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Originally posted by O'Mankie:
Originally posted by beedubyah:
Originally posted by O'Mankie:
Some folk have more money than sense.
Care to clarify? [/b]
My prediction is in 1-2 years nobody will remember their name anyway. [/b]
I will take that bet in a heartbeat.
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it was a prediction not a bet.
but if you're betting , I'll put $20 on that they still suck in 2 years.
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Originally posted by O'Mankie:
Some folk have more money than sense.
Or a Mrs. and it's just not worth putting up a fight if it gets you free passes to spend willy-nilly on whatever you'd like becuase I can always say "Sweetie, remember when I dropped $200 for you to see Coldplay?"
Sorry....nothing to see here, move along....
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you need a cheaper misses...
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
you need a cheaper misses...
stop hitting on smackie.
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actually ever since i worn the kilt the hitting upon has been directed at me...
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
you need a cheaper misses...
6 more years until early retirement - I just keep telling myself that.
And yes, you did look mighty fine in that kilt - I nearly forgot you had a beautiful bride standing next to you.
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Look, Coldplay are at the apex of their commercial popularity right now. If they charged the 30-40 bucks a ticket (and I agree with all of you that it should be more in that price range) - pavilion tickets would still be going on ebay for around 100 bucks a pop.
If the market is there, why would any band consciously say - screw it, let the scalpers have the extra money.
These shows will all sell out. Everyone in here seems smart. Its just simple economics. They might not be worth that much to you, and thats fine. But they can earn the money for themselves, or they can be "nice", charge less, and send 10-15 million dollars into the pockets of scalpers.
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uh sorry but thats pretty flawed logic, even flawd would agree. if tickets getting in the hands of ticket brokers is what drives up the cost of tickets then the band, it's management and promoters need to figure out methods of preventing that from happening...
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gee, huge surprise there. everything about ticketing, and scalping, and wanting to do the right thing is flawed and forever will be. bands have realized that the only way to curb scalping, is to take the money for themselves.
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Originally posted by GabrielG54:
If the market is there, why would any band consciously say - screw it, let the scalpers have the extra money.
... But they can earn the money for themselves, or they can be "nice", charge less, and send 10-15 million dollars into the pockets of scalpers.
Seriously, read that back to yourself.
Rather than have some fans pay scalpers high dollars, Coldplay would rather have all fans pay Coldplay? That's what you just argued.
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Originally posted by GabrielG54:
gee, huge surprise there. everything about ticketing, and scalping, and wanting to do the right thing is flawed and forever will be. bands have realized that the only way to curb scalping, is to take the money for themselves.
That makes no sense. Increasing the price of tickets does not do much of anything to prevent scalping. Go to ebay and look up Rolling Stones tickets.
If the band really wanted to curtail scalping they should increase the supply of available tickets by playing multiple nights or playing at a larger venue.
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Chris' little kid needs to go to college, you know.
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Originally posted by beedubyah:
I like a lot of bands that I realize may not be other people's cup of tea. I understand that.
I also understand that this softer, "bed-wetting" music doesnt appeal to everyone.
What I dont understand is how you cannot acknowledge that while Coldplay does not play typical rock music (or whatever genre you are into), they are an extremely talented band and are great at what they do.
i like coldplay.. or at least up til this album (which i haven't been impresed with), however there's no way i could justify spending that amount of money for their tickets... and this coming from someone who went as far as louisville and cleveland to see them on the last tour.
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While I bought GA Pit ticks for Coldplay, what wasn't available in the presale was several reserved rows at the front. Why? Because Coldplay is doing a VIP deal where if you pay $175 for a tick, you're guaranteed a seat within the first 20 rows, private entrance, premium parking, limited edition merch and some other sh*t. These tickets are on sale for all of their shows on this tour right now. Coldplay's management is scalping their own tickets essentially.
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
uh sorry but thats pretty flawed logic, even flawd would agree. if tickets getting in the hands of ticket brokers is what drives up the cost of tickets then the band, it's management and promoters need to figure out methods of preventing that from happening...
But that's not what he's saying. He's pointing out that OVERALL, if market prices for this show are in the $60 - 100 range (ie, that's what enough people are willing to pay for every seat -- ie, a sellout), then why shouldn't the band profit on their product's market price, rather than scalpers.
Sure, sometimes scalped tickets go for insane amounts, but not enough to sell out a show. So, if a scalper can get $300 for a good Coldplay ticket, but only from 100 fans, that's one thing. But if 5,000 (or whatever capacity at Merriweather is) are willing to pay $70, then that's really the concert's market price. [Scalpers aren't setting the overall market price, but instead are capturing price peaks]
At some point, you can't get a critical mass to pay a certain amount - maybe that price point is $80. BUT, I dont' think you can fault a band for trying to capture the general market price for their shows.
Okay, let the pelting begin.
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Originally posted by LenardYorkton:
Coldplay is doing a VIP deal where if you pay $175 for a tick, you're guaranteed a seat within the first 20 rows, private entrance, premium parking, limited edition merch and some other sh*t. These tickets are on sale for all of their shows on this tour right now. Coldplay's management is scalping their own tickets essentially.
No they're not. It's their show, therefore they can't scalp. If Coldplay were one of my favorite bands, I'd buy this package in a heartbeat.
If you start arguing that pricing keeps "real fans" out, the same goes for a $30 ticket -- that's tough for a college student or someone with a great non-profit job to pay as well...
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bags, thanks. you have been enrolled into the school of common sense.
people just ask yourself this. if you created something and your financial advisor said - statistics show that although not every person can afford to spend this much, you are still guaranteed to sell out of your product at this price point - would why would you say "no thanks. make it cheaper. we'll let others sell them on the black market for more money".
call them greedy. call them businessmen. i dont care. i willingly paid 70 bucks. there are 20,000 other people in the area that will as well. big whoop.
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Originally posted by Bags:
then why shouldn't the band profit on their product's market price, rather than scalpers.
Because they resepct their fans, especially the poor ones that can't afford to go to the show (ie, students)?
They resepct them so much that they don't let scalpers dictate the market, they think outside the box and come up with innovative ways to keep scalpers from making a profit.
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jacking up prices so that you can "eliminate" scalpers is the fucking dumbest thing i have ever heard. listen to yourselves people.
Coldplay is just being greedy. and sooner or later, if everyone follows thier little standard, we will all be saving up for those 3 shows a year we go to, and only people with good paying jobs or rich parents will be going to shows.
the point is, if you wanna go see a show, you get tickets. and if you wanna pay more, pay more. but dont just charge $70 to everyone. thats wikked lame.
now, are the lawn tickets $70 too?
coldplay at Nissan? why are we even discussing this????
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Originally posted by Bags:
BUT, I dont' think you can fault a band for trying to capture the general market price for their shows.
i agree wholeheartedly ... and the market price for coldplay is upwards of $60 because their US fanbase has shifted from
a) anglophiles and "early adopter" rock fans who listen to a lot of music (indie or not) and liked the first album ... these types (like a lot of people on here) go to a lot of concerts, many of which are in the $10-$30 range
to
b) "casual" rock fans who found out about the band on the radio or vh1 or those abc "yellow" ads a couple years back and have catapulted coldplay to one of the biggest rock bands in the US ... these people don't go to as many concerts, perhaps have larger disposable income than "rock nerds" (although that point isn't as essential), and therefore don't have any qualms spending upwards of $60 per ticket
if these people in category (b) went to every hot brit band that comes to this area (using the UK merely as an example here), then they'd spend $60 seeing a few "new" bands instead of spending that money seeing one band they like and are familiar with
coldplay is an enormous band now, they've crossed over to the mainstream in spectacular fashion and their fanbase now largely consists of people from category (b), so why not charge what they can afford and expect?
now, if coldplay wanted to maintain their "outsider" status among "early adopter" rock fans, then this probably wouldn't be the best way to go ... but obviously they could give a shit about that, and would rather be a big time "people's band"
nothing wrong with that.
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ok so 90% of the tickets bought endup in fans hands at $30 a pop, but because the other 10% might be brokered at $100+. that "lose" of revenue to brokers dictate the price of the ticket needs to be higher so the band makes more money on the 90% who would have been happy paying $30 to begin with?
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Originally posted by GabrielG54:
people just ask yourself this. if you created something and your financial advisor said - statistics show that although not every person can afford to spend this much, you are still guaranteed to sell out of your product at this price point - would why would you say "no thanks. make it cheaper. we'll let others sell them on the black market for more money".
Oh, so they are in it for the money, thank you for clearing that up because Chris Martin indicated otherwise. (http://www.930.com/cgi-bin/ubb-cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=010204) It's a good thing he's got spokespeople like you, otherwise people would think he was actually doing this for the music.
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
uh sorry but thats pretty flawed logic, even flawd would agree. if tickets getting in the hands of ticket brokers is what drives up the cost of tickets then the band, it's management and promoters need to figure out methods of preventing that from happening...
well the reason that coldplay's ticket prices have gone up is that they're obviously charging more per appearance. i think we all remember the clearchannel band cost list that circulates every spring..
bands like tool and the dixie chicks charged 200,000-250,000 and such... but when were their ticket prices $69 before fees? i know tool's weren't and i doubt the dixie chicks' prices were that high. i don't want to even imagine what the rate for coldplay is.
the band or their management are at fault for the prices. if they're just in it to make as much as they can as fast as they can, that's fine. but they won't be getting any more of my money and i think they've probably pissed more people off than i think they thought they were going to... but that doesn't mean that the shows won't sell out.
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Originally posted by GabrielG54:
people just ask yourself this. if you created something and your financial advisor said - statistics show that although not every person can afford to spend this much, you are still guaranteed to sell out of your product at this price point - would why would you say "no thanks. make it cheaper."
I agree entirely with this, although I know I'm surely in the minority.
The scalper thing has nothing to do with the main point which is "every human, by nature, if offered $X or $X++ for the same work would choose $X++," and to bring scalpers into it only obscures the point. Who here would go to their boss and go, "No, that's OK, cut my salary by $2/hour"?
I can't begrudge Coldplay for making the most $$ possible when I do the same. Now, I might not buy their tickets, but still, I can't rise to the level of moral disgust or whatever some of you are going for.
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Originally posted by GabrielG54:
bags, thanks. you have been enrolled into the school of common sense.
people just ask yourself this. if you created something and your financial advisor said - statistics show that although not every person can afford to spend this much, you are still guaranteed to sell out of your product at this price point - would why would you say "no thanks. make it cheaper. we'll let others sell them on the black market for more money".
call them greedy. call them businessmen. i dont care. i willingly paid 70 bucks. there are 20,000 other people in the area that will as well. big whoop.
oh like millionaire athletes? nice.
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i think we all remember the clearchannel band cost list that circulates every spring..
i was just thinking about this ... i know it was posted here a while back, can someone post it again? sorry to take us off topic. wait, no i'm not.
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Originally posted by sonickteam4:
oh like millionaire athletes? nice.
people willingly spend billions of dollars on sports ... where should that money go? the owners of teams? give all the players a $100k salary?
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Originally posted by GabrielG54:
bags, thanks. you have been enrolled into the school of common sense.
people just ask yourself this. if you created something and your financial advisor said - statistics show that although not every person can afford to spend this much, you are still guaranteed to sell out of your product at this price point - would why would you say "no thanks. make it cheaper. we'll let others sell them on the black market for more money".
let's not leave this part out of the equation.
when said thing comes up, you are already a multi-millionaire and probably have more money than you'll be able to spend unless you start buying up small islands and such.
there just comes a point where a person that seems to be as 'for the little guy' (3rd world countries) as chris martin wants people to think that would be like "no. our shows don't need to cost that much money." doesn't that seem a bit reasonable?
godspeed you! black emperor could have charged way more than $12 for the last tour. but they charged $12 for every show. and the canadian shows were $12 CDN(which meant a GREAT deal for those of us coming from the US). other bands set a price that they think is a reasonable amount for people to pay and don't try to milk their fanbase for every single possible cent that they can.
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Originally posted by distance:
well the reason that coldplay's ticket prices have gone up is that they're obviously charging more per appearance. i think we all remember the clearchannel band cost list that circulates every spring..
bands like tool and the dixie chicks charged 200,000-250,000 and such... but when were their ticket prices $69 before fees? i know tool's weren't and i doubt the dixie chicks' prices were that high. i don't want to even imagine what the rate for coldplay is.
wasn't that list the one was sent to University Entertainment boards? those prices are inflated because the promoters know that those organization are less experienced in concert promotion and because they have student activity money to supplement appearence fees are probably willing to pay higher than the market would pay such acts.
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man. what kills me is that EVERYONE in here. and i mean EVERYONE, would do the exact same thing. it doesnt make you morally bankrupt to charge what you are "worth".
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Originally posted by distance:
when said thing comes up, you are already a multi-millionaire and probably have more money than you'll be able to spend unless you start buying up small islands and such.
there just comes a point where a person that seems to be as 'for the little guy' (3rd world countries) as chris martin wants people to think that would be like "no. our shows don't need to cost that much money." doesn't that seem a bit reasonable?
That seems like a bit of ad populum though. Is it OK for someone to make as much money as possible as long as they don't care about world conditions? Or is it only OK if they're not rich, because rich people aren't entitled to still be capitalistic? The third world nations Martin speaks about are somehow helped if middle america gets their Coldplay ticket prices slashed by $20? Ever consider maybe he's using part of his fortune to help out charities.
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
Originally posted by sonickteam4:
oh like millionaire athletes? nice.
people willingly spend billions of dollars on sports ... where should that money go? the owners of teams? give all the players a $100k salary? [/b]
lowering ticket prices, ass. thats what we're talking about.
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does EVERYBODY include Fugazi? will Coldplay being making an appearence at Ft. Reno this summer?
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Originally posted by sonickteam4:
Coldplay is just being greedy. and sooner or later, if everyone follows thier little standard, we will all be saving up for those 3 shows a year we go to, and only people with good paying jobs or rich parents will be going to shows.
No, I disagree...not all bands are going to command and get $70. Look, bands DON'T sell out 9:30 Club all the time, at much lower prices. And, sometimes, a band doesn't sell out because its prices are too high.
If a band can sell out at a price, why not get it.
Concerts are not a public good, I hate to say, and do not need to be offered at cost-based pricing, say.
Originally posted by sonickteam4:
the point is, if you wanna go see a show, you get tickets. and if you wanna pay more, pay more. but dont just charge $70 to everyone. thats wikked lame.
Huh? This just doesn't make sense (as in I don't know what you're trying to say, not that you're wrong)
And to Hoya -- this "category of fans" thing makes no sense. Point is, they have a LOT of fans. Doesn't matter a toss if they're cool indie hipsters or Hootie-loving soccer moms. Both groups are willing to pay to see this show.
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Originally posted by BookerT:
i think we all remember the clearchannel band cost list that circulates every spring..
i was just thinking about this ... i know it was posted here a while back, can someone post it again? sorry to take us off topic. wait, no i'm not. [/b]
best i could find:
http://www.clearchannelcollegeentertainment.com/searchresults.php?searchtype=alpha&alpha=all (http://www.clearchannelcollegeentertainment.com/searchresults.php?searchtype=alpha&alpha=all)
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Originally posted by distance:
godspeed you! black emperor could have charged way more than $12 for the last tour. but they charged $12 for every show. and the canadian shows were $12 CDN(which meant a GREAT deal for those of us coming from the US). other bands set a price that they think is a reasonable amount for people to pay and don't try to milk their fanbase for every single possible cent that they can.
they could have charged $8-$13 more (possibly $18, but that's pushing it) ... it's this simple: fans of godspeed go to many shows, most of which are in the $10-$30 range ... fans of coldplay go to fewer shows, many of which are more than $40
coldplay has determined that they'd rather cultivate these more casual fans rather than their hipper, more up-on-music fanbase ... many bands do it, and it's just the way it goes when you hit the mainstream
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Originally posted by GabrielG54:
people just ask yourself this. if you created something and your financial advisor said - statistics show that although not every person can afford to spend this much, you are still guaranteed to sell out of your product at this price point - would why would you say "no thanks. make it cheaper. we'll let others sell them on the black market for more money".
call them greedy. call them businessmen. i dont care. i willingly paid 70 bucks. there are 20,000 other people in the area that will as well. big whoop.
Your point is valid only if the sole goal of the enterprise is to maximize its profit.
One would assume -- given Mr. Martin's tirades against shareholders and other sundry anti-business, pro-art-for-the-masses statements -- that this is not their aim.
then again, perhaps it is.....
Starting your ticket prices at what you believe to be the scalpable level shows that you are more interested in hording profits than in reaching the younger and/or income-challenged fans; whom you have priced out of the show.
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Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:
That seems like a bit of ad populum though. Is it OK for someone to make as much money as possible as long as they don't care about world conditions? Or is it only OK if they're not rich, because rich people aren't entitled to still be capitalistic? The third world nations Martin speaks about are somehow helped if middle america gets their Coldplay ticket prices slashed by $20? Ever consider maybe he's using part of his fortune to help out charities.
Please tell me that you forgot your [sarcasm] [/sarcasm] tags when you typed that...
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Originally posted by GabrielG54:
man. what kills me is that EVERYONE in here. and i mean EVERYONE, would do the exact same thing. it doesnt make you morally bankrupt to charge what you are "worth".
if i thought i was squeezing every last dollar out of my fans, just to make it to my have been called a socialist though, and i dont share all of your capitalist values. which is why I'm broke.
(that and i just bought a house, HOYA!)
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Please tell me that you forgot your [sarcasm] [/sarcasm] tags when you typed that...
No, I'm not sarcastic. Distance is saying somehow the facts (a) Chris Martin is rich and (b) Chris Martin protests for third world debt relief factors into this, and I don't see how. Do rich people not get to continue making money? Where I'm from we fought a Cold War to stand up against that type of thinking. And how would third world nations be helped by Coldplay lowering ticket prices?
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if a band wants to set their ticket prices at $70 a pop thats fine with me. but to justify that price because of what brokers might charge is flawed logic. charging fans more money because some might be lost to ticket brokers is silly, that not market driven it's greedy.
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Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:
[That seems like a bit of ad populum though. Is it OK for someone to make as much money as possible as long as they don't care about world conditions? Or is it only OK if they're not rich, because rich people aren't entitled to still be capitalistic? The third world nations Martin speaks about are somehow helped if middle america gets their Coldplay ticket prices slashed by $20? Ever consider maybe he's using part of his fortune to help out charities.
no. they CAN charge waht they want and they are.
and they CAN make more money and they will.
they don't HAVE to double the price from last tour. it's not like they're struggling to get by. i'm just saying they're in a position where they COULD charge less money.
they're making that choice. i'm making the choice not to give them any of MY money.
if other fools want to throw their money at chris martin, i know they're going to do so.
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
ok so 90% of the tickets bought endup in fans hands at $30 a pop, but because the other 10% might be brokered at $100+. that "lose" of revenue to brokers dictate the price of the ticket needs to be higher so the band makes more money on the 90% who would have been happy paying $30 to begin with?
Nope, that's not the market dynamic. It has nothing to do with lost revenues, and all to do with overall market prices. The prices aren't higher because scalpers make a bundle on some tickets, but because 90% of people are willing to pay $60. If those people who'd be 'happy' paying $30 won't go higher than that, then Coldplay won't sell enough tickets at $60 to make it worth raising the price.
The only role the scalpers play is in indicating how high demand is for the show overall. But, again, when they get super high prices, those are only spikes from uber-fans, and don't translate into the overall general sale price at all.
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
if a band wants to set their ticket prices at $70 a pop thats fine with me. but to justify that price because of what brokers might charge is flawed logic.
I agree, the ticket broker thing is ridiculous, but 90% of the people in this thread are going "the kid made points a, b, c, and d, and while a, b, and c are accurate, we'll just write the entire argument off because d is way off."
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Originally posted by GabrielG54:
man. what kills me is that EVERYONE in here. and i mean EVERYONE, would do the exact same thing. it doesnt make you morally bankrupt to charge what you are "worth".
no. not everyone would. not everyone does.
i wouldn't do it. i think it's unethical to take your 'fans' for a ride for every cent you can possible shake out of their pockets.
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Originally posted by Bags:
Originally posted by sonickteam4:
Coldplay is just being greedy. and sooner or later, if everyone follows thier little standard, we will all be saving up for those 3 shows a year we go to, and only people with good paying jobs or rich parents will be going to shows.
No, I disagree...not all bands are going to command and get $70. Look, bands DON'T sell out 9:30 Club all the time, at much lower prices. And, sometimes, a band doesn't sell out because its prices are too high.
If a band can sell out at a price, why not get it.
Concerts are not a public good, I hate to say, and do not need to be offered at cost-based pricing, say.
Originally posted by sonickteam4:
the point is, if you wanna go see a show, you get tickets. and if you wanna pay more, pay more. but dont just charge $70 to everyone. thats wikked lame.
Huh? This just doesn't make sense (as in I don't know what you're trying to say, not that you're wrong)
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ok, firstly. you're right, we'll still be able to see some shows, but after a while, will be be basically all new bands, cult bands, or the ever-popular reunion shows that may or may not have been a good idea?
and the part you didnt understand: of all the shows i try to go see, I almost NEVER have to buy from a scalper. if i really wanna go, i make sure i get tickets. and if they sell out, i choose whether to just skip the show or pay a little more to get in.
scalpers arent making people buy tickets. and most people wouldnt pay that much. apparently Coldplay fans will.
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Originally posted by distance:
they don't HAVE to double the price from last tour. it's not like they're struggling to get by. i'm just saying they're in a position where they COULD charge less money.
they're making that choice. i'm making the choice not to give them any of MY money.
I can agree with all that, and I understand the distinction you're making.
Like I said earlier, I, and yourself, and no doubt many other people took one look at $70 tickets and said no way. That's our perrogative. But to rise to the extreme of "Chris Martin is evil" or "it's unconciable to charge this much" or give some reason why Chris Martin is wrong in exercising his perrogative over what he charges for tickets is ridiculous. Or to say other people exercising their perogative in buying Coldplay tickets are stupid is haughty as well. There's better things for moral outrage in the world then fucking Coldplay ticket prices.
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Originally posted by sonickteam4:
(that and i just bought a house, HOYA!)
great to hear! congratulations are in order!!
:D
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Originally posted by distance:
if they're just in it to make as much as they can as fast as they can, that's fine. but they won't be getting any more of my money and i think they've probably pissed more people off than i think they thought they were going to... but that doesn't mean that the shows won't sell out.
If they lose your business, but they can still sell out the venue, then your loss is of no concern, business-wise. Your ticket is no different from anyone else who buys one to them.
That seems harsh and simplistic, but thinking this is all an altruistic, for-the-music-and-the-people business is WAY simplistic.
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Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:
Where I'm from we fought a Cold War to stand up against that type of thinking.
arent your from Richmond? they fought a cold war?
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i think we all remember the clearchannel band cost list that circulates every spring..
i was just thinking about this ... i know it was posted here a while back, can someone post it again? sorry to take us off topic. wait, no i'm not.
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the only way ticket being sold via eBay will end is if people just stopped buying them that way. of course that will never happen because people start panicing and feeling like they are missing out on something. witness the person who bought SOAD tickets for a mint via eBay when all they had to do was check in here.
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Originally posted by distance:
there just comes a point where a person that seems to be as 'for the little guy' (3rd world countries) as chris martin wants people to think that would be like "no. our shows don't need to cost that much money." doesn't that seem a bit reasonable?
But how do you know what he does with his money? Maybe he's feeding 27 villages with some of his proceeds -- and maybe he'd rather decide where that money goes rather than leaving it up to you or the government....
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Originally posted by Bags:
And to Hoya -- this "category of fans" thing makes no sense. Point is, they have a LOT of fans. Doesn't matter a toss if they're cool indie hipsters or Hootie-loving soccer moms. Both groups are willing to pay to see this show.
no, it DOES make sense ... it explains why they can charge $60+ per ticket and it really isn't a huge logical leap
as one of the biggest rock bands in the US, they have a lot of casual fans who don't often go to concerts and have no qualms spending $60+ when they go to their one concert of the season or even of the year
of course their fan demographics don't really matter, but they easily explain the ticket prices.
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and to think, all i wanted was to know if my seats were any good.
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Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:
No, I'm not sarcastic....And how would third world nations be helped by Coldplay lowering ticket prices?
Holy shit, you're serious!! OK, there are 5 guys in the band, one of which is rather outspoken the other 4 I can't even name, they likely split profits so they doubled the tickets prices so that one of them can share his wealth with third world nations!?!?!?!?! That's more assinine than arguing that they raised prices to curb scalping!
If they were serious about helping third world nations by raising ticket prices, why not announce that $35 from every ticket goes to Make Trade Fair? Because that's not the case now is it?
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Originally posted by sonickteam4:
arent your from Richmond? they fought a cold war?
Richmond, no, they're still trying to fight the Civil War, but America as a whole, yes.
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Originally posted by GabrielG54:
and to think, all i wanted was to know if my seats were any good.
not if they're at the Coldplay show.
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Originally posted by Bags:
If they lose your business, but they can still sell out the venue, then your loss is of no concern, business-wise.
Exactly.
We can all now agree that Coldplayâ?¢ is a business enterprise that endeavors to maximize and monopolize profits, not an artistic one that seeks to reach kids that may be moved by their music.
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Originally posted by GabrielG54:
and to think, all i wanted was to know if my seats were any good.
Not as "good" as orginially thought :D
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While I bought GA Pit ticks for Coldplay, what wasn't available in the presale was several reserved rows at the front. Why? Because Coldplay is doing a VIP deal where if you pay $175 for a tick, you're guaranteed a seat within the first 20 rows, private entrance, premium parking, limited edition merch and some other sh*t. These tickets are on sale for all of their shows on this tour right now. Coldplay's management is scalping their own tickets essentially.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Holy shit, you're serious!! OK, there are 5 guys in the band, one of which is rather outspoken the other 4 I can't even name, they likely split profits so they doubled the tickets prices so that one of them can share his wealth with third world nations!?!?!?!?! That's more assinine than arguing that they raised prices to curb scalping!
You're misquoting me and badly.
I'm not saying 3rd world nations are helped by raising ticket prices, I just don't see how they're hurt by it. In fact, my point is, I don't see what they have to do with this debate at all, and I was questioning why they got brought up by Distance.
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Originally posted by Bags:
If they lose your business, but they can still sell out the venue, then your loss is of no concern, business-wise.
Exactly.
We can all now agree that Coldplayâ?¢ is a business enterprise that endeavors to maximize and monopolize profits, not an artistic one that seeks to reach kids that may be moved by their music. [/b]
the elistist prick from greenbelt concurs. can i get a second to close the debate?
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
if a band wants to set their ticket prices at $70 a pop thats fine with me. but to justify that price because of what brokers might charge is flawed logic. charging fans more money because some might be lost to ticket brokers is silly, that not market driven it's greedy.
But it was someone here who said that the broker prices were setting the Coldplay price...the band or its management didn't say that, did they?
And I posit that the scalped price for these $70 is way over $70.
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Originally posted by Bags:
If they lose your business, but they can still sell out the venue, then your loss is of no concern, business-wise.
Exactly.
We can all now agree that Coldplayâ?¢ is a business enterprise that endeavors to maximize and monopolize profits, not an artistic one that seeks to reach kids that may be moved by their music. [/b]
the elistist prick from greenbelt concurs. can i get a second to close the debate? [/b]
i defintely agree with said prick.
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
the elistist prick from greenbelt concurs. can i get a second to close the debate?
Here here, I'll make this a bi-partisan concurrence.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
If they were serious about helping third world nations by raising ticket prices, why not announce that $35 from every ticket goes to Make Trade Fair? Because that's not the case now is it?
if this were the stated case, then i might just consider $70 to see coldplay as it would be $35 (which i think is reasonable -- i was actually up for spending up to $50ish for this tour) for the band and $35 going to charity.
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dicussion closed... kindly go on any "news" cable channel for further debate
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Originally posted by Bags:
If they lose your business, but they can still sell out the venue, then your loss is of no concern, business-wise.
Exactly.
We can all now agree that Coldplayâ?¢ is a business enterprise that endeavors to maximize and monopolize profits, not an artistic one that seeks to reach kids that may be moved by their music. [/b]
despite the hilariously ironic article i posted earlier, when was this ever in question?
this isn't the same band that came over here a few years ago and wowed rock nerds and anglophiles ... these guys are corporate and are acting just like every other corporate group does ... and it's not like they're being outrageous or anything, their prices are well in-line with other corporate bands
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
Originally posted by sonickteam4:
(that and i just bought a house, HOYA!)
great to hear! congratulations are in order!!
:D [/b]
Have you closed? I've got a contract on a place and go to settlement June 17, but am nervous to believe I have it as I've been burned once before by a seller...
CONGRATULATIONS. I should have done it at your age; I'm an idiot (though job changes had much to do with it).
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Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:
You're misquoting me and badly.
I'm not saying 3rd world nations are helped by raising ticket prices, I just don't see how they're hurt by it.
Because I give a lot of money to charity and now I won't have an extra $70 to give away because my Mrs. wanted to see Coldplay despite the fact that they've doubled their ticket prices, so there's one way raising ticket prices have hurt the third world.
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
Originally posted by Bags:
And to Hoya -- this "category of fans" thing makes no sense. Point is, they have a LOT of fans. Doesn't matter a toss if they're cool indie hipsters or Hootie-loving soccer moms. Both groups are willing to pay to see this show.
no, it DOES make sense ... it explains why they can charge $60+ per ticket and it really isn't a huge logical leap
as one of the biggest rock bands in the US, they have a lot of casual fans who don't often go to concerts and have no qualms spending $60+ when they go to their one concert of the season or even of the year
of course their fan demographics don't really matter, but they easily explain the ticket prices. [/b]
Aha, that makes sense. Now I get what you were getting at. It's the Simon & Garfunkle phenomenon as well. I'd bet that 50% of the folks in MCI Center go to one or two concerts a year, so were willing to shell out $200.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
If they were serious about helping third world nations by raising ticket prices, why not announce that $35 from every ticket goes to Make Trade Fair? Because that's not the case now is it?
Okay, Esquire -- you just flipped the logic from "how does lowering ticket prices help third world countries" to "they raised ticket prices to help thirs world countries." Can't do that!
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what does this look like the kosmo & ggw hour on 9:30 cable news network?
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Because I give a lot of money to charity and now I won't have an extra $70 to give away because my Mrs. wanted to see Coldplay despite the fact that they've doubled their ticket prices, so there's one way raising ticket prices have hurt the third world.
That argument is negligible at best, and asinine at worst.
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Originally posted by Bags:
Aha, that makes sense. Now I get what you were getting at. It's the Simon & Garfunkle phenomenon as well. I'd bet that 50% of the folks in MCI Center go to one or two concerts a year, so were willing to shell out $200.
exactly ... and it's why godspeed could never get away with charging more than $25 or $30 ... i do love stereotyping and perhaps get out of control with it sometimes, but this "casual rock fan" / "early adopter" distinction is a pretty strong one
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if you really cared about developing nations you wouldn't refer to them with the politically incorrect term "third world"
sheesh.
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look don't me go o'rielly on yer arses...
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
... i do love stereotyping and perhaps get out of control with it sometimes, but this "casual rock fan" / "early adopter" distinction is a pretty strong one
Though I'll bet there are a lot of early adopters who go to this show. I think folks who won't are early adopters who go to a lot of shows during the year, so don't view the current Coldplay price as in line with their normal value-chain.
Okay, I know the debate has raged and may soon be over, but you have to admit, it's been a long time since we've had a real-time discussion like this. I know, ticket prices are one of those recurrent arguments, but valid points made on all sides. And no one was called a porky midget!
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
if you really cared about developing nations you wouldn't refer to them with the politically incorrect term "third world"
Would you prefer undeveloped?
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tap tap tap tap
debate? pile on is better...
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Originally posted by Bags:
And no one was called a porky midget!
Shut up, you porky midget!
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Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:
That argument is negligible at best, and asinine at worst.
We'll see when the show comes around. It will be just like U2 in the spring - late 20 to late 30 somethings early in the professional career and very, very, very ,very, very white.
They are also the prime candidates for fund raising for "intellectual issues" like debt relief and fair trade, that's why they have spokespersons that relate more to that generation than to thier parents generation.
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hipster dork
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Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:
Originally posted by Bags:
And no one was called a porky midget!
Shut up, you porky midget! [/b]
Yeah, if only it were that easy to get me to leave this place....folks would have hurled such slang at me ages ago!
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
if you really cared about developing nations you wouldn't refer to them with the politically incorrect term "third world"
Would you prefer undeveloped? [/b]
i frankly don't really care, but i became interested ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_World (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_World)
These countries are also known as the Global South, developing countries, least developed countries and the Majority World in academic circles.
Development workers also call them the two-thirds world and The South. Some dislike the term developing countries as it implies that economic development (industrialisation) is the only way forward, while they believe it is not necessarily the most beneficial. The term Third World is also disliked as it implies the false notion that those countries are not a part of the global economic system.
The term "third world" was coined by economist Alfred Sauvy in an article in the French magazine L'Observateur of August 14, 1952. It was a deliberate reference to the "Third Estate" of the French Revolution. Tiers monde means third world in French. The term gained widespread popularity during the Cold War when many poorer nations adopted the category to describe themselves as neither being aligned with NATO or the Warsaw Pact, but instead composing a non-aligned "third world" (in this context, the term "First World" was generally understood to mean the United States and its allies in the Cold War, which would have made the East bloc the "Second World" by default; however, the latter term was very seldom actually used).
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:
That argument is negligible at best, and asinine at worst.
We'll see when the show comes around. It will be just like U2 in the spring - late 20 to late 30 somethings early in the professional career and very, very, very ,very, very white.
They are also the prime candidates for fund raising for "intellectual issues" like debt relief and fair trade, that's why they have spokespersons that relate more to that generation than to thier parents generation. [/b]
Simply having 70 more dollars in your pocket is not a de facto concession that said $70 is going to charity. I'm sure virutally no one sat down and made a cognitive decision "Gee, a Coldplay ticket or starving kids? Hmmm..."
There's no way to measure this sort of thing, but I cannot honestly think the affect of Coldplay's ticket prices affects charitable giving in any real regard. I suppose we'll indict Starbucks of killing the rainforest next because they raised the prices on their Venti Frappuchinos by 25 cents, and that money could have been well spent on ecological charity.
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Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:
Simply having 70 more dollars in your pocket is not a de facto concession that said $70 is going to charity.
And neither is hiding behind the illusion that it's OK to give Chris Martin more money because I should "consider maybe he's using part of his fortune to help out charities."
That's all I was saying.
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Originally posted by Bags:
Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
Originally posted by sonickteam4:
(that and i just bought a house, HOYA!)
great to hear! congratulations are in order!!
:D [/b]
Have you closed? I've got a contract on a place and go to settlement June 17, but am nervous to believe I have it as I've been burned once before by a seller...
CONGRATULATIONS. I should have done it at your age; I'm an idiot (though job changes had much to do with it). [/b]
yeah, we closed last week, moved in already.
funny, I am almost 28 and i am thinking "why didnt i do this 5 years ago!"
we had a nice seller luckily. but i have heard some bad stories.
Good luck next month!
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Originally posted by vansmack:
And neither is hiding behind the illusion that it's OK to give Chris Martin more money because I should "consider maybe he's using part of his fortune to help out charities."
As I explained to you, that was never my contention. I was trying to diffuse the "third world debt relief" from being an issue in a Coldplay ticket price circle jerk.
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Originally posted by sonickteam4:
yeah, we closed last week, moved in already.
funny, I am almost 28 and i am thinking "why didnt i do this 5 years ago!"
That's frickin' fantastic.
You know, I feel like things were different when I was in my mid-20s. I didn't know ANYONE who bought a place or even thought about it, not until pretty close to 30. But now the 22 and 23 year olds in my office are buying places, or thinking about/planning for it.
Great move -- 28 is a fine time. I'm a decade behind! (Wondering if there's any of that "I'll wait until I'm married" affect -- could be a bit; single women tend to buy later, but still, I'm on the back end of my friends on this one).
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One last POV not posted. Every day on this forum there is another former "fan" who bails from supporting their fav. band. This just highlights what a short "shelf life" some of these groups have. What you don't generally think about is how many years they spent sleeping in broken-down, filthy vans while they drive from venue to venue opening for "headliners" often for little more than two or three free beers and gas money.
IF they are lucky enuf to emerge from from the bottom of the pile, they usually have to put their derriere's in overdrive, and tour nonstop. Even if the van/bus is bigger, the food still sucks, no comfy beds/thus no sleep, far away from family/friends/loved ones, no exercise - AND they're NOT making alot of money in the beginning..promoters/labels/management gets first shot at the cash. If you think your new favorite group isn't on tour, just check out their website. They're probably doing the same in Japan, Europe, etc, virtually non-stop. So I think the "short shelf life" panic factor - and the fickleness of fans - combined with a high burn-out rate - also jacks up the ticket prices: Not everyone becomes a U2/Rolling Stones/Bruce Springsteen - with fan bases who now have multiple platinum credit cards and second homes... so tick-tick-tick; 15 minutes of fame is up pretty fast.
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Originally posted by Bags:
You know, I feel like things were different when I was in my mid-20s. I didn't know ANYONE who bought a place or even thought about it, not until pretty close to 30. But now the 22 and 23 year olds in my office are buying places, or thinking about/planning for it.
i'm almost 24 and i'm seeing the same phenomenon ... i, however, just found a sweet place to rent in kalorama which i could never afford if i wanted to buy :D
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Sushi, great points. I'd been thinking the same thing. And actually, it *is* like pro-athletes. As a general rule, you have a few short years to be at the top of your game, so make what you can then. I'm not defending $10 million contracts per se (though sports bring in those kinds of revenues), just that the decision by a band or player may well be "I've got 5 years, this is my chance to make it and live on it largely for the next 40 years."
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
Originally posted by Bags:
You know, I feel like things were different when I was in my mid-20s. I didn't know ANYONE who bought a place or even thought about it, not until pretty close to 30. But now the 22 and 23 year olds in my office are buying places, or thinking about/planning for it.
i'm almost 24 and i'm seeing the same phenomenon ... i, however, just found a sweet place to rent in kalorama which i could never afford if i wanted to buy :D [/b]
It's funny, because TODAY the market is much more skewed toward renting in terms of monthly costs. Real estate was so much cheaper, even in relative terms, back in my mid-20s.
I think some of it comes from the hot market, and how that has resulted in heightened awareness overall over home-ownership, etc. Hmmmm....
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Originally posted by BadSushi:
What you don't generally think about is how many years they spent sleeping in broken-down, filthy vans while they drive from venue to venue opening for "headliners" often for little more than two or three free beers and gas money.
someone PLEASE find me an article about Chris Martin and his record label darling bandmates EVER slept in a broken down van.
i mean, even for one night.
ggw, I am counting on you
sushilady, i get your point, i am just picturing chris is a broken down van, perhaps with a keyboard with only 46 keys (explaining why all thier songs sound the same!)
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Originally posted by Bags:
It's funny, because TODAY the market is much more skewed toward renting in terms of monthly costs.
it really is unreal. i mean, looking at what we got and what we paid for, it seems like a huge rip-off, but when we sell it in 3-5 years, theres a good chance we'll leave with over $100,000 in our pockets. which will be about the price of 2 Coldplay tickets by then.
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Originally posted by sonickteam4:
someone PLEASE find me an article about Chris Martin and his record label darling bandmates EVER slept in a broken down van.
i mean, even for one night.
ggw, I am counting on you
I don't think any such article exists.
Apparently Martin's father is a successful developer. Currently he is trying to build 160 homes on a protected "green land" site in the south of England.
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WARNING: This thread is starting to turn rather gay.
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I think Chris Martin may be an exception; and - even if he has the bucks - I'm betting he isn't sharing much of it with his fellow bandmates...plus, so sad: he married an extremely wealthy woman who also comes with an inheritance.
Bags: I know you've met - and if I recall shared a few cocktails - with Gary Lightbody from Snow Patrol. I saw him dragging out of the 930 the other night. He looked SO tired, bedraggled, wearing an old grey hoodie and carrying an ancient knapsack, heading for the tour bus...Atlanta last night. Even rock gods get weary.
The biggest mystery to me is: How does Seth keep ticket prices so low - for some extraordinary headliners - while paying for so many 930 employees - (the nightly staffing headcount is amazing) and maintaining that huge space? I can't believe it's on alcohol sales 'cause at an all ages venue, probably a large percentage aren't even drinking...and how much profit is really in a $25.00 t-shirt? Hmmmm...probably if he tell us, he'd have to kill us. :D
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Originally posted by BadSushi:
How does Seth keep ticket prices so low - for some extraordinary headliners - while paying for so many 930 employees - (the nightly staffing headcount is amazing) and maintaining that huge space? I can't believe it's on alcohol sales 'cause at an all ages venue, probably a large percentage aren't even drinking...and how much profit is really in a $25.00 t-shirt? Hmmmm...probably if he tell us, he'd have to kill us. :D
Ever bought a can of Boddies in the 930?
Back to original topic...anyone who pays $70 go so see some tool that calls his kid "APPLE" needs their arse kicking. But that's just me..........
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Originally posted by O'Mankie:
anyone who pays $70 go so see some tool that calls his kid "APPLE" needs their arse kicking. But that's just me..........
I wanna be just like Mankie when i grow up! (get old)
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Originally posted by BadSushi:
Bags: I know you've met - and if I recall shared a few cocktails - with Gary Lightbody from Snow Patrol. I saw him dragging out of the 930 the other night. He looked SO tired, bedraggled, wearing an old grey hoodie and carrying an ancient knapsack, heading for the tour bus...Atlanta last night. Even rock gods get weary.
I met him only briefly at the DC9 'official' Snow Patrol after party last time they came through town. I'm not good at talking to bands; don't want to be a bother, but I figured I couldn't leave without telling him I loved both of the band's 9:30 Club shows, etc., etc. They agreed to the publicly announced after party, right (and NO one was bothering them at all, not while I was there...)
I can only imagine, with all that jumping around, he'd be tired. Don't you think he looks like he'd be a sweetie??
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not to beat a dead horse, but i couldn't resist chiming in here. aren't ticket prices set by the label and management, not necessarily by the artist? assuming chris martin is honest in his alturistic sentiments, how can a band charge $70 for tickets, play at ampitheatres like nissan and then not feel like a fool? yes, it's market forces at work here; prices and venues are based on what the label thinks the market will bear. while we can wile away the day arguing about chris martin (which it looks like people have done), at the end of the day, it just makes coldplay look like more of a tool of the Man more than anything.
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
assuming chris martin is honest in his alturistic sentiments, how can a band charge $70 for tickets, play at ampitheatres like nissan and then not feel like a fool?
According to this Entetainment Weekly article I just read:
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He's worried about going to debters prison because the stage lighting set-up is too outlandish:
"We're going top play venues with this giant thing that looks like something out of Waterworld? Then we'll half sell all the tickets and end up in debtors prison." - Chris Martin
Score one for GGW.
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Originally posted by Bags:
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I met him only briefly at the DC9 'official' Snow Patrol after party last time they came through town. I'm not good at talking to bands; don't want to be a bother, but I figured I couldn't leave without telling him I loved both of the band's 9:30 Club shows, etc., etc. They agreed to the publicly announced after party, right (and NO one was bothering them at all, not while I was there...)
I can only imagine, with all that jumping around, he'd be tired. Don't you think he looks like he'd be a sweetie?? [/QB]
Yep, I agree. As you pointed out elsewhere, Gary Lightbody seems so genuinely surprised at their success, and determined to give everyone a good show. I think he might be equally as gracious with fans one-on-one over a "pint". I was amazed at how seamlessly the new bass player fit in. I listen to Final Straw almost daily, and every bass-line was perfect...someone did their homework - and I think somewhere a clock is ticking was perfection. I didn't notice ear monitors either, which usually assists in a "studio perfect" rendition. It may show that Final Straw was NOT over-produced with studio tricks.
If I ever turned around at the bar and bumped into Chris Cornell, I'd have a heartattack - I'm star struck by him. I think the nicest most sociable, accessible band lately was Dave McCabe and the Zutons (backbar) and TSOOL; the worst - too uptight (or maybe too shy) : The Kings of Leon. They didn't even smile when some fans told 'em how awesome the show was...Go figure!
;) (maybe bad teeth, heheheheh).
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just an fyi that lawn tickets for these coldplay shows are in the 35 dollar range. warrants mentioning.