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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: ggw on June 23, 2004, 11:45:00 am
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http://pitchforkmedia.com/top/70s/index.shtml (http://pitchforkmedia.com/top/70s/index.shtml)
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This could be an interesting list seeing as there are some really IMHO strong albums near the bottom.
Devo, The Harder they Come, Raw Power...
It's probably going to pretty punk heavy at the top. I predict London Calling, the first two Big Star records near the top, Ramones and Sex Pistols near the top.
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What strikes me is that they have mostly picked really popular albums, mostly million sellers.
So either they have given up obscuritanism for this 70s look-back, or they believe the proletariat actually liked better music in the 70's?
I dont know which I find harder to stomach.
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Any list that includes Van Halen I and Physical Graffiti is O.K. by me.
I would have dropped Blue though. It would make my all-time list of the most over-rated records.
"So either they have given up obscuritanism for this 70s look-back, or they believe the proletariat actually liked better music in the 70's"
Excellent Pt Mark E. Smith.
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The Cars??? The phreakin' Cars???
Where's the Hawkwind? The Steely Dan? The Brand-X? And where-oh-where is the Zappa?
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
It's probably going to pretty punk heavy at the top. I predict London Calling, the first two Big Star records near the top, Ramones and Sex Pistols near the top.
also, rust never sleeps, maybe what's going on
list is kinda meh so far. nothing wack that i can see, and i've heard of almost all of the bands.
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What? No Sparks? No Tubes?
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Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
It's probably going to pretty punk heavy at the top. I predict London Calling, the first two Big Star records near the top, Ramones and Sex Pistols near the top.
also, rust never sleeps, maybe what's going on
list is kinda meh so far. nothing wack that i can see, and i've heard of almost all of the bands. [/b]
BTW, FYI, Devo gave Neil Young the title RUST NEVER SLEEPS.
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Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:
BTW, FYI, Devo gave Neil Young the title RUST NEVER SLEEPS.
they also helped form GBV by getting Bob Pollard and Mitch Mitchell kicked out of the metal band they were in for their "unconventional views on music", bet that makes you like Devo that much more, right? right?
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i thought rust never sleeps was an advertising slogan or something
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Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:
The Cars??? The phreakin' Cars???
Where's the Hawkwind? The Steely Dan? The Brand-X? And where-oh-where is the Zappa?
It's only the top third so far.
Chill Dupek Chill.
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ziggy stardust is only at #81?? wtf?? i was impressed however that they recognized nilsson schmilsson (harry nilsson) and throbbing gristle (actually, this one wasn't so surprising for pitchfork although i think it should have been higher on the list)...unfortunately, i think pitchfork may be too "hip" to recognize the work of steely dan. hopefully, they prove me wrong when the top 60 are posted.
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Any predictions for the Top Ten?
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Who's Next - The Who
IV - Led Zeppelin
Mothership Connection - Parliament
Eat A Peach - Allman Bros.
Exile On Main Street - Stones
Blood On The Tracks - Dylan
Workingman's Dead - Grateful Dead
Exodus - Marley
Horses - Patti Smith
Harvest - Neil Young
There are still tons to choose from.
[edit] not necessarily my prediction for the top ten, but these may show up in the list
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Sorry Skeeter, I dont think any of those are obscure enough.
I suspect the Pistols, television, joy division and hopefully Richard Hell to make a visit to the top 10.
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Yeah, you're probably right.
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I predict in the top ten:
Clash -- London Calling
Sex Pistols -- Bollocks
John Lennon -- Plastic Ono Band
Clash -- Clash
Ramones -- Rocket to Russia
Big Star -- Third/Sister Lovers
Kraftwerk -- Autobahn
Lou Reed -- Transformer (though I could kinda see them being dicks and saying Metal Machine Music)
New York Dolls -- New York Dolls (or instead, Johnny Thunders L.A.M.F.)
Sly & Family Stone -- There's a Riot Goin On
Others I can see making the list:
Fleetwod Mac's Tusk, token Bruce album, Philip Glass Music in 12 Parts, one of Stevie Wonder's classics, Damned Damned Damned, and the Sat Night Fever soundtrack.
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What about Black Sabbath?
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Originally posted by pollard:
Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:
BTW, FYI, Devo gave Neil Young the title RUST NEVER SLEEPS.
they also helped form GBV by getting Bob Pollard and Mitch Mitchell kicked out of the metal band they were in for their "unconventional views on music", bet that makes you like Devo that much more, right? right? [/b]
Is that 'cause they're from Ohio too?
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Some possibles?
Jeff Beck: Wired
Frank Zappa: Hot Rats
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Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:
Is that 'cause they're from Ohio too?
from http://www.sponiczine.com/ (http://www.sponiczine.com/)
Around this time the first strands of punk and prog-rock were infiltrating America??s heartland. Dayton was by no means the cultural center of Ohio, but like any town its size, it had its share of forward-looking music aficionados.
Mitch Mitchell introduced Bob to Devo??s first album Are We Not Men?, much to Bob??s chagrin. ??I couldn??t believe anyone would put out an album that sucked so bad,? he said in a 1995 interview with Puncture. ??But I was into that theatrical prog-rock stuff, so I kept listening to it and reading the lyrics, and finally I decided, ??this shit??s amazing!??? Genesis, Wire, King Crimson and Bowie soon followed.
At this point, Bob and Mitch were asked to leave Anacrusis due to their unconventional views on music, (and the fact that they had shaved their heads).
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Wasn't Mitch Mitchell in the Jimi Hendrix Experience, or something?
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He must be rather old, by now.
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I predict that stuff like "Horses" by Patti Smith, "GI" by the Germs, "Unknown Pleasures" by Joy Division, the first New York Dolls record, "the Modern Dance" by Pere Ubu and "Singles Going Steady" by the Buzzcocks will all be in the top 20. And probably "Loaded" by the Velvet Underground.
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There better be some:
Rolling Stones ~ Sticky Fingers
Gram Parsons ~ GP/Grievous Angel
Black Sabbath ~ ...Reality or Paranoid
in the top 1/3
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Relatedly...I've always thought that Exile on Mainstreet was more than a bit over-rated. As much as I like the Stones (Sticky Fingers would make my top 5 ALL-TIME list), I've never been fully able to appreciate EoM as the masterpeice it's proclaimed to be.
There's a great article in the most recent HARP magazine called Desert Island Dud The case against the Rolling Stones' Exile on Mainstreet as one of the greatest rock albums of all time.
It talks a lot about most of the players on the record not even being the official Rolling Stones members, but actually session players. And that most of the songs are still really just dressed up demos.
The article ends with this summary:
"Sorry, but Exile on Mainstreet doesn't come close to being the Stones' grandest achievement. In fact, its debauchery all but guaranteed that they would eventually flame out for good, or be forced to reinvent themsleves as a sleek corporate machine to survive...But the true legacy of Exile on Mainstreet is far more sinister than this. Besides the toll it took on so many directly involved with it, the album endures today as bullshit inspiration to countless musicians who romanticize excess, glorify self-destruction, and lie to themselves that their latest murky-sounding, half-finished work is the best thing they've ever done. Unless you're a sheltered multi-millionaire, like Keith Richards, that kind of lie usually leads to the nut house or death. How cool is that?"
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"...so I went to your room and read your diaryyyyy-yyyyyy!"
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was surprised to see Low at #1, typical that they would pick an artist's least accessible album
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Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:
Wasn't Mitch Mitchell in the Jimi Hendrix Experience, or something?
uh, yes, but not this one
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Interesting list...most of my predictions came true, but I am really stunned at the fact that Patti Smith wasn't represented. "Horses", whether or not you agree" was a really important record for women in rock'n'roll...given how the industry was dominated by men and it was weird to see a band like the Runaways come along. But that record was an incredible accomplishtment, but a HUGE omission. I'm a little surprised by Pere Ubu's "The Modern Dance" not being there as well. I've never listened to Can, and as much as I love Bowie, I'm not sure that so many of his records belonged in the top 100. Not like this list means anything anyway. And neglecting to add "GI" by the Germs is just insane too. That is one record that holds up to the test of time.
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Some of my favorites are in their discard heap. I realize now why I disagree with them so often.
"Among the casualties this time out were: Bruce Springsteen, Bob Marley, Patti Smith, Sticky Fingers, Ornette Coleman, Pere Ubu, Van Morrison, Black Sabbath, "Heroes", Chic, Queen, Nina Simone, New York Dolls, The Jam, Frank Zappa, Transformer, Curtis Mayfield, The Police, The Damned, Aretha Franklin, Tonight's the Night, The Kinks, Tom Waits, Elton John, Yes, Janis Joplin, Station to Station, Willie Nelson, Cheap Trick, AC/DC, Grateful Dead, Alice Coltrane, Paris 1919, The Upsetters, Yellow Magic Orchestra, Cecil Taylor, Amon Düül II, The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway, Augustus Pablo, Human League, Chi-Lites, Captain Beefheart, No New York, Magazine, The Slits, The B-52's, Durutti Column, Burning Spear, Tangerine Dream, Gene Clark, Françoise Hardy, Magma, Kimono My House, The Adverts, Manuel Göttsching and/or Ash Ra Tempel, Lee Hazlewood, and all of Brazil, including Caetano Veloso."
On the other hand - I'm SO fucking glad to see that Captain Beefheart didn't make it. Does anyone really like them - Dupek excluded?
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Let's face it...the 70's started off a little uncertain musically, but it was a hell of a decade for music. A musical renaissance for sure. They could have easily done a top 200 records and still have left great records out.
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Originally posted by bunnyman:
Let's face it...the 70's started off a little uncertain musically, but it was a hell of a decade for music. A musical renaissance for sure. They could have easily done a top 200 records and still have left great records out.
Agree totally - it's probably one of the reasons that I became so entralled with music - both recorded & live. The 70's were my young & impressionable age. I'll never forget buying & listening to my first piece of music - an 8-track of Kiss Rock and Roll Over.
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I had no idea what I was hearing, but I loved it. Played it so much on a family vacation just sitting in a car listening to it that I killed the battery.
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Originally posted by grotty:
I'll never forget buying & listening to my first piece of music - an 8-track of Kiss Rock and Roll Over.
KISS is probably my biggest guilty pleasure. I'm really surprised Alive didn't make the list. Or at least Destroyer.
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Originally posted by mark e smith:
I suspect the Pistols, television, joy division and hopefully Richard Hell to make a visit to the top 10.
Well I got 2 out of my 4 in the top 10.
Then again Richard Hell didnt make the top 100, what were they thinking. FOOLS.
As for a whole load of those albums being better than never mind the bollocks, well what a load of bollocks. For instance it is much better than the buzzcocks singles going steady.
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Originally posted by mark e smith:
Then again Richard Hell didnt make the top 100, what were they thinking. FOOLS.
I don't know. I realize how important Richard Hell is to the development of punk, but I don't really think Blank Generation really holds up as one of the best records of the decade. RH is more important as an icon than anything else. Does he even have any other records?
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Originally posted by grotty:
I'm SO fucking glad to see that Captain Beefheart didn't make it. Does anyone really like them - Dupek excluded?
I never listened to him, except for the one song on the hot rats album...which is the only vocal track on an otherwise great record.
WAY TOO MUCH MILES DAVIS!!!
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Originally posted by Skeeter:
but I don't really think Blank Generation really holds up as one of the best records of the decade.
Well that is were we disagree. I think it is better than the buzzcocks album, for sure. I wouldnt rate it much differently from Marquee Moon. have you listened to it recently?
His other real album, Destiny Street isnt bad either.
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I think I listened to it once in the last 6-months or so. I'll have to pull it out again.
I have issues with Singles Going Steady being on the list too, simply because it's a compilation. I love that record though.
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considering the fact that only three of the sixteen songs on "singles going steady" appear on the first two records, i would have it's fair game to include it. none of the early buzzcocks records had the impact that one did. plus, it's a inclusion of the early songs that never made any record that makes it brillant.
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[QUO none of the early buzzcocks records had the impact that one did. [/QB][/QUOTE]
I dunno, spiral scratch EP was a pretty decent effort, dontcha think?
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i was referring to "Another Music in a Different Kitchen" & " Love Bites" who other than the "die-hard" Buzzcocks fan ownes these. Singles going steady is thier definitive album whether is a comp or not...
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I agree with Kosmo. Buzzcocks were a particularly singles-focused band, and that album is really their definitive album.
Overall, I knew I'd have little input on this outside of the obvious. I've never even heard of Can.
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I just counted and I own 41 of these. That's a bit more than I expected.