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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: thirsty moore on June 19, 2003, 11:23:00 am
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I'm no animal rights activist, but this shows absolutely no respect to those porpoises. What the hell is Greenpeace thinking?
Dead Porpoises Disrupt Berlin Whaling Meeting
BERLIN (Reuters) - Greenpeace activists stretchered three dead porpoises to the site of the International Whaling Commission Thursday, disrupting the meeting to highlight the threats marine mammals face.
The three harbor porpoises had been ensnared and drowned by fishing nets in the Baltic Sea. The activists urged the world whaling organization to tackle the problem of so-called bycatch, which environmentalists say kills 300,000 whales, dolphins and porpoises a year.
Activists bearing the porpoises, about 1-1/2 meters (3 ft 3 in) long, marched on to the grounds of the hotel where the IWC meeting was taking place.
The demonstration was timed to coincide with a coffee break in the meeting. Some delegates booed when they saw the dead porpoises.
This week's annual meeting has exposed the deep splits in the IWC between pro-whaling nations, led by Japan and Norway, which are keen to allow limited whale catches, and those such as the United States and many European states pushing to give greater protection to the planet's biggest mammals.
Anti-whalers succeeded Monday in backing a measure to set up a conservation committee, a sharp shift for the 57-year-old Commission hailed by environmentalists.
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thats a horrible thing to happen. but i don't fully agree with you on it. Yes it is disrespectful to the propoises but it has to be less disrespectfull, then the way in which they were killed. It would seem that the animals were already dead and that if dragging the carcas (?spelling?) to make some sort of statement about it in hopes of stopping it, seems to be for the good and respect of the species instead of bad and disrespect to the dead animal.
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Originally posted by thirsty moore:
Dead Porpoises Disrupt Berlin Whaling Meeting
This is a music thread if I ever saw one
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There's a few Greenpeace twats in yellow shirts near Farrogot (sp) West looking for new members if people feel like slapping the shit out of someone. I did. :cool:
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So serioulsy,
Do animals go to heaven/hell, like humans?
What does the bible say?
Tha answer to this will ease my mind about this popoise situation.
and why not call them dolphins?
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Porpoises go to heaven, just like most good people. Only Republicans go to hell.
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I think the true catholic, ergo christian, definition, is that animals do not have souls, thus, they do not go to ehaven. Always found that hard to beleive though.
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Originally posted by redsock:
I think the true catholic, ergo christian, definition, is that animals do not have souls, thus, they do not go to ehaven. Always found that hard to beleive though.
You find it easy to believe people go to heaven though? So all 6 billion of us on the planet when we die will be in heaven, what do you think we will all be doing?
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Probably the same thing they do in discos in the South of France.
listening to bad Eurotrash music.
Originally posted by Andrew WK:
Originally posted by redsock:
I think the true catholic, ergo christian, definition, is that animals do not have souls, thus, they do not go to ehaven. Always found that hard to beleive though.
You find it easy to believe people go to heaven though? So all 6 billion of us on the planet when we die will be in heaven, what do you think we will all be doing? [/b]
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So heaven is a gay nightclub?
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oh boohoo poor whales and dolphins...what about the fish they're TRYING to catch? even more of them die....sheesh!
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Originally posted by Andrew WK:
So heaven is a gay nightclub?
Apparently it is for Rhett. I think heaven could be a bowling alley if you want it to be. Being neither a catholic, nor a chrisitian with any sense of the after-life, for all i know heaven is infinite darkness. Better than a gay nightclub.
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I was not referring to a gay nightclub. I was referring to places where fat pale middle age British swingers go to get it on.
Now that's heaven...not.
Originally posted by redsock:
Originally posted by Andrew WK:
So heaven is a gay nightclub?
Apparently it is for Rhett. I think heaven could be a bowling alley if you want it to be. Being neither a catholic, nor a chrisitian with any sense of the after-life, for all i know heaven is infinite darkness. Better than a gay nightclub. [/b]
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Originally posted by redsock:
I think the true catholic, ergo christian, definition, is that animals do not have souls, thus, they do not go to ehaven. Always found that hard to beleive though.
not necessarily true. . st. augustine argued that animals did have souls. . however, descartes disagreed. augustine argued that since humans have similar characteristics as humans, animals must also possess a soul. the difference between humans and animals only being the ability for humans to be self-conscious and have free choice. furthermore, he argued that people are morally responsible in the way one treats an animal and act humanely.
however, descartes argued that animals could not think or act like humans (real), but are more like clocks and clockwork (unreal); ergo, could not have a soul. since we are still stuck in a cartesian system, this has obviously been the prevalent mode of thought since.
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Has nobody seen the movie "all dogs go to heaven" for crying out loud! ;)
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Yes, but what would Descartes say about DBT? Great rock band, or bloated rednecks?
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
Originally posted by redsock:
I think the true catholic, ergo christian, definition, is that animals do not have souls, thus, they do not go to ehaven. Always found that hard to beleive though.
not necessarily true. . st. augustine argued that animals did have souls. . however, descartes disagreed. augustine argued that since humans have similar characteristics as humans, animals must also possess a soul. the difference between humans and animals only being the ability for humans to be self-conscious and have free choice. furthermore, he argued that people are morally responsible in the way one treats an animal and act humanely.
however, descartes argued that animals could not think or act like humans (real), but are more like clocks and clockwork (unreal); ergo, could not have a soul. since we are still stuck in a cartesian system, this has obviously been the prevalent mode of thought since. [/b]
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Bede,
Your sum that up nicely. I did always think it would really suck to eat an animal that had a soul. I mean imagine the embarassment in heaven if you walked by daisy the cow and she mooed "you ate me, 2 burgers and a pair of shoes".
Rhett, sorry about the cheap jibe, you left yourself wide open.....
I dont understand how and why anyone could believe in heaven and hell. The plot of Matrix2 is more feasible to me.
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Wow VB,
That is some heavy stuff. So what about animals coveting their neighbors wife and killing?
isn't there some Catholic saint that on his saint day you can take your pet to church and have it blessed?
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Originally posted by Andrew WK:
So heaven is a gay nightclub?
Boom, boom, boom let's go back to my room.
So we can do it all night and I can make you feel right......
or
you spin me right round, like a record baby.
Round round....
I must have been in heaven at Tracks, back in the 80's!!!
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I would have had an easier time believing in heaven and hell than if you had told me two airplanes were going to take out both of the World Trade Center buildings...
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Originally posted by G.Love:
Wow VB,
That is some heavy stuff. So what about animals coveting their neighbors wife and killing?
isn't there some Catholic saint that on his saint day you can take your pet to church and have it blessed?
an animal could not do that, because that would be a self-conscious recognition. . which is something that, according to st. augustine, animals do not have the capacity for.
btw, i believe regarding you last point, that would be st. francis. he preached to the animals 1) to save them and 2) because no one else wanted to listen to him (at first).
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Originally posted by Andrew WK:
I dont understand how and why anyone could believe in heaven and hell. The plot of Matrix2 is more feasible to me.
Maybe cause the alternatives are all pretty shitty. Easier to swallow that way. Religion is simply a catering to the fears of the masses anyway. Who really knows? Other than Jesus of course.
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
I would have had an easier time believing in heaven and hell than if you had told me two airplanes were going to take out both of the World Trade Center buildings...
Probably because you have heard of the terms heaven and hell since a child and as such they are familiar to you. You didnt start reading Tom Clancy till much older so the idea of a plane as a missile is not so engrained.
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Originally posted by Guiny:
There's a few Greenpeace twats in yellow shirts near Farrogot (sp) West looking for new members if people feel like slapping the shit out of someone. I did. :cool:
jesus! you live here and you can't even spell "Farragut"! my god!
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Originally posted by redsock:
Maybe cause the alternatives are all pretty shitty. Easier to swallow that way. Religion is simply a catering to the fears of the masses anyway. Who really knows? Other than Jesus of course.
Whats wrong with having a good time then dying and that being it, well apart from passing on your genetic material?
Sounds like life to me.
Sure you cant prove heaven exists or not. But to have such unquestionable faith that it does exist is a little unnerving to me.
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42
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Originally posted by Andrew WK:
42
Excellent, excellent reference.
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Originally posted by Andrew WK:
42
overused reference on this board
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Originally posted by Andrew WK:
42
Level
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sorry, I just clicked back too often and got an annoying duplicate post.
you can never get enough Douglas Adams.
and as for Level 42, stupid name for a crap band.
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Originally posted by Andrew WK:
sorry, I just clicked back too often and got an annoying duplicate post.
Just go ahead then, don't mind me. I'll just be over here rusting.
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Originally posted by redsock:
I think the true catholic, ergo christian, definition, is that animals do not have souls, thus, they do not go to ehaven. Always found that hard to beleive though.
But what if they were Jewish porpoises?
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Originally posted by Andrew WK:
sorry, I just clicked back too often and got an annoying duplicate post.
you can never get enough Douglas Adams.
and as for Level 42, stupid name for a crap band.
said Funk Band > tired trite reference that I haven't heard since middle school.
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Originally posted by Jaguär:
But what if they were Jewish porpoises?
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Or muslim porpoises and committed suicide attacks on the nets!