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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: sonickteam2 on July 22, 2005, 04:34:00 pm
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even with crosby
just so you know.
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Originally posted by sonickteam4:
even with crosby
just so you know.
i thought JR was gonna make the rangers get him?
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someone's a little bitter
i forget which team do you root for sonick?
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GO FLYERS
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I'm glad Anaheim got the second pick - this has Eric Lindros written all over it.
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or mario
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just so you don't forget ...
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Best think about the upcoming season...
We dont have to listen to asshole Patrick Roy whine!
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Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
someone's a little bitter
i forget which team do you root for sonick?
the bruins, and i dont see me being bitter over the Penguins anytime in the next 5 years or so.
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bruins clearly going to win their first cup in 35 years with the three players they have signed. luckily, i haven't been waiting quite that long as a pens fan
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My kid has to do a report on a sport of his choice and include a small bio for one player along with some of the peculiar items of the sport. He and six other chose hockey. All the otehr bio'ed the great one. I explained to Daniel the following...
1) Booby Orr.
2) The Goal.
3) Octopus.
4) Plastic Rats.
He got an A+...
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Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
bruins clearly going to win their first cup in 35 years with the three players they have signed. luckily, i haven't been waiting quite that long as a pens fan
its my understanding that Boston plans to sign several more players before the season starts.
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point is, we don't know what the team will look like. or really any team
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point is, i kinda just started the thread to jab at you. i hope Crosby is the next damn Gretzky, cause that will be great for the NHL.
i am predicting the Coyotes winning the cup in 06!!!!!!
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its my understanding that Boston plans to sign several more players before the season starts.
every team is going to sign several more players. most teams only have a few players under contract. the penguins are even going to sign a few proven veterans trying to play with the greatest of all time. yeah, thats right. i said it. mario is the g.o.a.t. and with fleury in the net, malkin on defense, and crosby leading the way offensively, the penguins are the next dynasty of the new nhl.
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haha, you got me
anyway, doesn't look like its going to be a lindros situation. crosby's been all over local pittsburgh tv saying he's excited, can't wait for camp, ect
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GO LEAFS!!!!!!!!!!
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Are my Caps going to suck this year?....I mean for the whole season and not just the playoffs, which is a given.
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Originally posted by O'Mankie:
Are my Caps going to suck this year?....I mean for the whole season and not just the playoffs, which is a given.
dont complain mank. my Bruins won the whole damn conference 3 years back and then lost in the playoffs.
if theres any one team whos great all season and then loses in the first round of the playoffs, its the B's.
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Originally posted by sonickteam4:
if theres any one team whos great all season and then loses in the first round of the playoffs, its the B's. [/QB]
Usually to Montreal.
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Originally posted by sonickteam4:
if theres any one team whos great all season and then loses in the first round of the playoffs, its the B's. [/b]
Usually to Montreal. [/QB]
not really. we only lost to them last season (2003) and before that, i cant remember them ever losing to the Habs in the playoffs. (though, until 1986 i was a Maple Leafs fan)
its like a double whammy being a Boston fan from Toronto and losing to Montreal. theres just no brightside of that.
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I remembered that rivalry in the 80's between Boston and Montreal, being from New England and all. Of course I was rooting for Montreal because back in that day Rick Vaive couldn't single handidly get Toronto into the playoffs.
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I was reading an article about what the Blues will do with their roster, and the article said the old 4th line defensive stalwarts will now be out of a job in favor of players with more offensive skill under the new rules, I think there is going to be some sloppy hockey
but maybe we will see some 100 point scorers with regularity again
oh, and after reading the article, I am pretty sure the Blues will suck, Tkachuk and Weight are taking up a lot of payroll, I hope somebody else signs Pronger or else they are really screwed
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I MOVED THIS FROM THE JUST ANNOUNCED THREAD AS I THOUGHT IT WAS BETTER SERVED HERE.
Originally posted by sonickteam4:
not even Comcast, NESN or Fox SportsNet? I could care less about ESPN's coverage as i get NHL Center Ice.
Some local deals still exist. The lack of fluid deals on Cable channels will render even the Center Ice package a little watered down. And if I remember correctly, DirecTV has not yet decided to offer the 2005-2006 Center Ice package because their may be a lack of televised games.
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hey mr. shoeshine, wanna look into hitting the pens/lightning game on oct. 15? i'd rather go see the bruins over columbus day, but i've got plans that weekend.
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that might be doable. basically depends on when i make the seasonal 'try to see everyone within 40 miles of a primanti bros' trip. plus, i am hoping to go to a stillrz game at some point this season
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Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
that might be doable. basically depends on when i make the seasonal 'try to see everyone within 40 miles of a primanti bros' trip. plus, i am hoping to go to a stillrz game at some point this season
well then, i won't point out that the steelers are at home that weekend as well. . .playing the jaguars.
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yeah, my buddy is on the waiting list for season tickets (only 7 more years or so!). he gets two tickets for 2 games, but its a lottery. i get to go to one, but i don't think he's heard yet
AND i usually go up for a pitt game once a year. they play south florida that weekend! sure to be one for the ages
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so smack, how would you feel about the Ducks giving up the #2 overall for Pronger, that is 1 of the rumors I am hearing, although apparently Keenan wants him bad now
I want the #2, the Blues will suck for a couple of years with or without Pronger
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Originally posted by general grievous:
so smack, how would you feel about the Ducks giving up the #2 overall for Pronger, that is 1 of the rumors I am hearing, although apparently Keenan wants him bad now
I want the #2, the Blues will suck for a couple of years with or without Pronger
We are oblgated to pay so much money right now that I don't see how it's going to happen. But I would love Pronger.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
We are oblgated to pay so much money right now that I don't see how it's going to happen. But I would love Pronger.
I just read this over at hockeyrumors.blogspot.com
The Ducks and the Panthers are making a very strong late bid for Chris Pronger...One of my better sources believes now that the ducks may be the front runner, saying, "Remember way back when, when Brian Burke was the GM in Hartford? He drafted the 18 year old man/child Pronger and pushed him to the forefront in the NHL. Pronger loves Burke and vice versa. (Chris went through some hard times early on)...Brian burke stood right by his man the whole time. Loyalty will win out over dollars. Waddell does not know Pronger the way that Burke does. besides, Jack Johnson is the next Scott Stevens. STL will be fine. Waddell will focus his attention on Adam Foote and Hatcher."
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Originally posted by general grievous:
I just read this over at hockeyrumors.blogspot.com
It will take a ton of cap room manuevering to get it done. There's an entirely new economic formula that's being put into place in the NHL and a lot of people are going to struggle with it.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
There's an entirely new economic formula that's being put into place in the NHL and a lot of people are going to struggle with it.
not the blues, they are in strip and sell mode, no long term contracts on any players, and no buyouts because the current owner doesnt want to put any more cash out before selling
I would guess the fact the ducks signed Sandis O. today would make it more difficult
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from ESPN:
Pittsburgh provides perhaps the perfect landing area for the young phenom, or more to the point, the perfect safety net.
The team is rife with players and staff who have made their lives in Pittsburgh, who understand the game and the city, from the training staff to GM Craig Patrick to coach Ed Olczyk to assistant coaches Joey Mullen and Randy Hillier to Mark Recchi.
"There's a large family here that I think will help because people help in different ways"
The team already is planning to add an extra public relations person to travel with the team, and the team will assist in setting up lodging as the Penguins have traditionally had younger players live with local families. Lemieux, for instance, remains close to the family with whom he stayed when he first came to Pittsburgh. And during the early part of the 2003-04 season, it was Lemieux opening his doors to Fleury.
"He's an 18-year-old kid. You can't take that for granted. We know we carry a responsibility for the league and the sport, as well," McMillan said of Crosby. "We certainly feel the responsibility as an organization, and we take that seriously. But we're glad we have it."
Lemieux, with whom Crosby worked out last summer, will be the focal point in helping with the teenager's assimilation into the NHL culture. He also will be invaluable in absorbing some of the pressure, some of the attention.
"The one thing Mario didn't have when he came here was a Mario to play with," McMillan said.
Olczyk also will be crucial to Crosby's evolution from cult phenom to everyday NHL player. A former Penguin who came to coaching from broadcasting, Olczyk quickly has established a reputation as a fine teaching coach.
"Edzo understands all of the things [Crosby's] going to face, and not just the hockey," McMillan said.
Said Olczyk: "It's going to be important to put him in situations where he's going to have an opportunity to succeed.
"We're going to help him become a good player. Any young player's going to go through a transition period," said Olczyk, who recorded 794 points in 1,031 regular-season games. "At times, it'll probably get a little hectic and a little crazy."
But it's the expectations of the team and the expectations Crosby has set for himself that will matter most to Crosby, Olczyk said.
Maybe it doesn't matter that Crosby can't possibly become the person his clippings suggest. Maybe no one really expects him to. But maybe, against all odds, he'll be enough to make everyone happy.
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Originally posted by general grievous:
so smack, how would you feel about the Ducks giving up the #2 overall for Pronger, that is 1 of the rumors I am hearing, although apparently Keenan wants him bad now
I want the #2, the Blues will suck for a couple of years with or without Pronger
I didn't think it would happen. Looks like the Oilers got him:
PRONGER DEALT TO EDMONTON
Trade sends former MVP to EdmontonESPN.com news services
ST. LOUIS -- The St. Louis Blues traded four-time All-Star defenseman and captain Chris Pronger to the Edmonton Oilers on Tuesday night for defensemen Eric Brewer, Doug Lynch and Jeff Woywitka.
The trade was posted on the Blues' Web site. A call to the team from The Associated Press early Wednesday was not immediately returned.
The 30-year-old Pronger won the Hart and Norris trophies as the NHL's most valuable player and top defenseman for the 1999-00 season. He has scored 94 goals and 306 assists in 722 career games. He was drafted by Carolina (then the Hartford Whalers) with the No. 2 pick in the 1993 NHL Draft and spent two seasons with the Whalers before joining the Blues in 1995 in a trade for Brendan Shanahan .
Brewer was the key to the deal for the Blues, general manager Larry Pleau said in a release on the team's Web site.
"Eric Brewer has been a premier defenseman in the NHL for the past several seasons, and we are very excited about the talents he brings to the Blues," Pleau said. "We are also adding two skilled younger defensemen who are clearly up-and-coming players at this level."
Brewer, 26, has played six seasons in the NHL, including the last four with Edmonton. He has 34 goals and 79 assists in 404 games. The 6-foot-3, 220-pound defenseman was drafted fifth overall by the New York Islanders in the 1997 NHL Draft and played for the Islanders from 1998 through 2000.
Lynch, 22, appeared in two games with the Oilers in 2003-04, and played last season with the AHL's Edmonton Road Runners.
Woywitka, 21, played the last two seasons in the AHL with the Road Runners and the Philadelphia Phantoms.
Information from SportsTicker and The Associated Press was used in this report.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
I didn't think it would happen. Looks like the Oilers got him:
PRONGER DEALT TO EDMONTON
saw it come through late last night, Brewer will be good, but would have been nice to get a scorer among the other players rather than 2 more defensemen, especially since Demitra signed with LA yesterday as well
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I thought this thread would be about the penguin documentary.
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Pens sign Gonchar
http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=2123428 (http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=2123428)
He's always been a Penguin @ heart.
Evidence: Turning the puck over to Marty Straka a few years ago allowing a break-away overtime playoff game winning goal.
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my dad's going to be stoked, he always gets pissed when the pens don't have a good offensive defenseman. heard kovalev, straka, forsberg, naslund and rafalski as possible signings. gonchar is bad ass, though
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Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
my dad's going to be stoked, he always gets pissed when the pens don't have a good offensive defenseman. heard kovalev, straka, forsberg, naslund and rafalski as possible signings. gonchar is bad ass, though
for $5 million though? i am glad Boston didnt give him that much.
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Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
my dad's going to be stoked, he always gets pissed when the pens don't have a good offensive defenseman. heard kovalev, straka, forsberg, naslund and rafalski as possible signings. gonchar is bad ass, though
straka signed with the rangers yesterday, and naslund signed with vancouver.
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Originally posted by sonickteam4:
Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
my dad's going to be stoked, he always gets pissed when the pens don't have a good offensive defenseman. heard kovalev, straka, forsberg, naslund and rafalski as possible signings. gonchar is bad ass, though
for $5 million though? i am glad Boston didnt give him that much. [/b]
if adam foote is worth $4.5, five is ok. the five years is high if anything
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my dad's going to be stoked, he always gets pissed when the pens don't have a good offensive defenseman. heard kovalev, straka, forsberg, naslund and rafalski as possible signings. gonchar is bad ass, though
for $5 million though? i am glad Boston didnt give him that much.
naslund is staying with canucks. and, i am digging the gonchar signing. i think the highest scoring defensemen in the league is worth the big contract. worth more than old-ass scott neidermeyer who wants even more.
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just for the record, the rumors i listed have been since like the lockout began, not just today
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Originally posted by LonnieBeale:
my dad's going to be stoked, he always gets pissed when the pens don't have a good offensive defenseman. heard kovalev, straka, forsberg, naslund and rafalski as possible signings. gonchar is bad ass, though
for $5 million though? i am glad Boston didnt give him that much.
naslund is staying with canucks. and, i am digging the gonchar signing. i think the highest scoring defensemen in the league is worth the big contract. worth more than old-ass scott neidermeyer who wants even more. [/b]
apparently the pens are still in the running for niedermayer too.
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this would have been great if it was around 5 years ago
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Pens are going to be very tough...with all due repect to the naysaying Sonick.
I'd like to see them still sign another proven goalie & get Malkin in camp & they then should be able to compete with anyone - they've got an abundance of good young players.
If only Fleury was ready. It would then be Lord Stanley's ball @ the Civic Arena.
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Originally posted by The Artist Formerly Known As grotty:
Pens are going to be very tough...with all due repect to the naysaying Sonick.
sonick will believe it when he sees it.
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hedberg coming back was the rumor, but i know the pens are interested in a vet goalie
looks like kovalev resigned with the habs, though
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and i think Boston got Leetch.
Leetch vs. Gonchar
i may have to sit and think on this one.
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I'm surprised about the Kovy signing.
Talk around here was that it was nearly a done deal (him coming back to Pitt).
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i haven't been following this thread, or any of the nhl signings really, until i just saw that my former favorite player, sergei gonchar, just signed with THE FUCKING PENGUINS. that's disgusting. i will have to perform some sort of cremation service for my #55 caps jersey.
hey bede ... podsednik ... come on! i'm being very reasonable! dude's not even playing!
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I don't think Toronto has signed anyone. They'll probably be the oldest team in history again this year.
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Originally posted by BookerT:
i haven't been following this thread, or any of the nhl signings really, until i just saw that my former favorite player, sergei gonchar, just signed with THE FUCKING PENGUINS. that's disgusting. i will have to perform some sort of cremation service for my #55 caps jersey.
thats what you get for routing for the Russians.
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Originally posted by BookerT:
i haven't been following this thread, or any of the nhl signings really, until i just saw that my former favorite player, sergei gonchar, just signed with THE FUCKING PENGUINS. that's disgusting. i will have to perform some sort of cremation service for my #55 caps jersey.
I don't know why you're getting all fussy...you did get J Jagr from the Pens. :D
I guess the Caps strategy of "if you can't beat them - try to be just like them" didn't work out.
Pens also rumoured to be close to signing either Sean Burke or Cujo in goal.
And Forsberg signs with Flyers
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Originally posted by The Artist Formerly Known As grotty:
I guess the Caps strategy of "if you can't beat them - try to be just like them" didn't work out.
you mean trying to be one of the worst teams in hockey last season.
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Originally posted by sonickteam4:
Originally posted by The Artist Formerly Known As grotty:
I guess the Caps strategy of "if you can't beat them - try to be just like them" didn't work out.
you mean trying to be one of the worst teams in hockey last season. [/b]
Don't make me show you facts
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damn, flyers got forsberg. so, the flyers have added forsberg, rathje, derian hatcher and chris therian in the last day and a half.
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Originally posted by The Artist Formerly Known As grotty:
I guess the Caps strategy of "if you can't beat them - try to be just like them" didn't work out.
Originally posted by sonickteam4:
you mean trying to be one of the worst teams in hockey last season.
Originally posted by The Artist Formerly Known As grotty:
Don't make me show you facts
fact away my friend. how are the Caps trying to be the Penguins and the bigger question is, why?
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Originally posted by sonickteam4:
fact away my friend. how are the Caps trying to be the Penguins and the bigger question is, why?
For starters...
Why?
Since 1991 the Pens have beaten the Caps SIX times in playoff series - 2 times on their way to Stanley Cup championships.
These series wins have often occurred in stunning & heartbreaking fashion:
*Twice coming back from down 1 game to 3
*Once overcoming a 0-2 mark
*2 over-time wins during that span including the epic 6 1/2 hr game & the series ending Gonchar cough up.
The Pens have been the hurdle the Caps have been unable to overcome in their own quest to win a Cup. Losing to Pitt is almost ritualistic.
How?
So if you can't beat - join 'em or at least try to duplicate what is working for them.
from Pro Ice Hockey:
"Plenty of NHL franchises spend more stupidly and recklessly than the Capitals. But the current Washington team is defined by one fat, regrettable contract. In July of 2001, Jaromir Jagr was scooped up from the Penguins and handed a seven-year, $77-million deal. A year after Jagr arrived, Robert Lang was signed (also from the Penguins.)
The team envisioned them filling nets and seats, and spoke confidently of a ??three-year plan? to win the Stanley Cup.
Like many such plans, this one has been abandoned early. The Capitals win more than they lose, but are renowned for their uninspired play...and the quest for glory has been usurped by a campaign to get the payroll under control."
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those arent facts!
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Originally posted by sonickteam4:
those arent facts!
I didn't make any of that up.
All this data = fact.
Main Entry: fact
Pronunciation: 'fakt
Function: noun
1 : a thing done: as a obsolete : FEAT b : CRIME <accessory after the fact> c archaic : ACTION
2 archaic : PERFORMANCE, DOING
3 : the quality of being actual : ACTUALITY <a question of fact hinges on evidence>
4 a : something that has actual existence <space exploration is now a fact> b : an actual occurrence <prove the fact of damage>
5 : a piece of information presented as having objective reality
- in fact : in truth
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Originally posted by The Artist Formerly Known As grotty:
Originally posted by sonickteam4:
those arent facts!
I didn't make any of that up.
All this data = fact.
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when i told you those werent facts, i saw nothing on your post. it was a blank post. you just quoted me and wrote nothing. so i was kidding
lemme read what you posted now. :)
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ok, so lucky for you, you have Crosby because "winning the cup twice since 1991" is a pretty sorry way to brag of a team.
and i dont see how getting two players from another team are trying to be just like them.
i mean, Jagr probably convinced McPhee to pull the strings on Lang, since they were old teammates and countrymen.
Pittsburgh fans are weird though. I never knew any til i moved to Maryland. a strange breed for sure.
(and now that the Pens have Gonchar, are THEY trying to be like Washington???)
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Originally posted by The Artist Formerly Known As grotty:
*2 over-time wins during that span including the epic 6 1/2 hr game & the series ending Gonchar cough up.
what about the 7 hour game between Philly and Pittsburgh, who coughed that one up? (speaking of team jealousy)
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Originally posted by sonickteam4:
Pittsburgh fans are weird though. I never knew any til i moved to Maryland. a strange breed for sure.
How so? I don't see them being any different than most other team's fans. Maybe more loyal.
So much so that Caps owners have had to devise schemes to keep them from filling up the old Cap Ctr:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A16569-2001Apr13 (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A16569-2001Apr13)
I've been to that old joint when you'd think it was a Pens home game.
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The Flyers over-time game is a painful memory. I was there & it was very difficult to endure (by 1:00 that evening all you could buy @ concession was Twizzlers.) It ruined my friend's love for hockey. She still cringes when she sees a Zamboni and hates any sort of extra innings/overtime/etc.
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I just thought of something - You're not a Pens hater just because they also bumped off your beloved Bruins enroute to the consecutive Cups wins are you? :D
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Originally posted by The Artist Formerly Known As grotty:
I just thought of something - You're not a Pens hater just because they also bumped off your beloved Bruins enroute to the consecutive Cups wins are you? :D
actually i wasnt really a B's fan til after high school. (1995)
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Originally posted by sonickteam4:
Originally posted by The Artist Formerly Known As grotty:
I just thought of something - You're not a Pens hater just because they also bumped off your beloved Bruins enroute to the consecutive Cups wins are you? :D
actually i wasnt really a B's fan til after high school. (1995) [/b]
Just wondering ;)
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I finished opening some mail that arrived while I was on vacation & I got a letter from Gary Bettman. He apologized for the lock-out & sent me free season tickets.
(only part of this is true...er fact.)
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Has anyone heard any word on who my Red Wings are going to try and sign as a goalie. I'd heard something in the Free Press about going after Khabibulan, but he probably wants a max contract and that'd make resigning Datsyuk and Zetterberg difficult which I feel are huge priorities (Pavel especially).
I'd like to see them just go with Legace and throw some of their money at another sniper to replace Hull and Whitney or a defenseman to replace Hatcher. Oh, and what's the deal with Chelios and Schneider?
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Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:
Has anyone heard any word on who my Red Wings are going to try and sign as a goalie. I'd heard something in the Free Press about going after Khabibulan, but he probably wants a max contract and that'd make resigning Datsyuk and Zetterberg difficult which I feel are huge priorities (Pavel especially).
I'd like to see them just go with Legace and throw some of their money at another sniper to replace Hull and Whitney or a defenseman to replace Hatcher. Oh, and what's the deal with Chelios and Schneider?
Please refrain from any off topic Red Wing talk on this thread - it is for Penguins related discussion only. :D
Chelios called the Pens & wants to play with them.
Whew...back on track...
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Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:
Oh, and what's the deal with Chelios and Schneider?
Ha, free press just answered my own question: Schneider just resigned for 3.3mil per. They're breaking up the Lindstrom/Schnieder pairing though, and putting Kronwall and Fischer with them to stretch the defensive talent. Chelios is mulling over an offer but is viewed as a third string defensive guy at this point.
Osgood is being considered as goalie. Fuck that, just play Legace if that's the best we can do. We need to sign 11 guys and have 12 mil to do it. Datsyuk is going to want 2.5 per and Zetterberg would probably be 1.5. That'd leave 9 slots and 8 million. Osgood's going to eat too much of that.
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Originally posted by The Artist Formerly Known As grotty:
Originally posted by sonickteam4:
Pittsburgh fans are weird though. I never knew any til i moved to Maryland. a strange breed for sure.
How so? I don't see them being any different than most other team's fans. Maybe more loyal.
So much so that Caps owners have had to devise schemes to keep them from filling up the old Cap Ctr:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A16569-2001Apr13 (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A16569-2001Apr13)
I've been to that old joint when you'd think it was a Pens home game.
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nothing for the Caps or against the Pens, but i like that strategy and think it should be used more often. other teams i think have done
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Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:
Has anyone heard any word on who my Red Wings are going to try and sign as a goalie. I'd heard something in the Free Press about going after Khabibulan, but he probably wants a max contract and that'd make resigning Datsyuk and Zetterberg difficult which I feel are huge priorities (Pavel especially).
I'd like to see them just go with Legace and throw some of their money at another sniper to replace Hull and Whitney or a defenseman to replace Hatcher. Oh, and what's the deal with Chelios and Schneider?
http://hockeyrumors.blogspot.com/ (http://hockeyrumors.blogspot.com/)
Then we come to Palffy. The Islanders were after him until they landed Satan. Pallfy is running out of teams that could make him a big offer. Detroit and the New York Rangers are the leading candidates.
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Originally posted by sonickteam4:
ok, so lucky for you, you have Crosby because "winning the cup twice since 1991" is a pretty sorry way to brag of a team.
aren't you a b's fan? when was their last cup? didn't the greatest bruin of the past 20 years have go to colorado to finally hoist the cup. bragging about back to back cups since 91 > having nothing to brag about
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Originally posted by general grievous:
Then we come to Palffy. The Islanders were after him until they landed Satan. Pallfy is running out of teams that could make him a big offer. Detroit and the New York Rangers are the leading candidates.
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Lord, I'd love Pallfy. If we could get him and still resign Datsyuk and Zetterberg I think we'd be sitting pretty in the West.
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Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
bragging about back to back cups since 91 > having nothing to brag about
now you sound like a Yankees fan.
and no, i dont agree. My high school hockey team won the Ontario High School Championship in 1992, but you dont see me throwing it all over town, do you?
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Have LeClair and Amonte ended up anywhere yet? What about Zhamnov? Am I correct Roenick is heading to LA to clear space for Forsberg?
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Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:
Have LeClair and Amonte ended up anywhere yet? What about Zhamnov? Am I correct Roenick is heading to LA to clear space for Forsberg?
Amonte signed with Calgary
Leclair and Zhamnov havent gone yet, though multiple sources have Zhamnov going to the Bruins, who havent won the cup in 33 years....
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The Wings message board has Rafalski rumours flying high. Fair replacement for Hatcher, but I think it'd mess our chances for getting Palffy if we're insistant on signing another goalie.
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Originally posted by sonickteam4:
Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
bragging about back to back cups since 91 > having nothing to brag about
now you sound like a Yankees fan.
and no, i dont agree. My high school hockey team won the Ontario High School Championship in 1992, but you dont see me throwing it all over town, do you? [/b]
typical boston fan, its all about the yankees. jesus
and i have no idea what your high school had to do with anything
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Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
and i have no idea what your high school had to do with anything
the same thing the 1991 Stanley Cup champions have to do with anything.
i guess Nirvana is still the best band too :0
oh, and Neidermeyer goes to the Ducks...should be announced soon.
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except i care who wins the stanley cup, no one cares about who wins high school hockey in ontario, except maybe ontarioians
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Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:
Oh, and what's the deal with Chelios and Schneider?
I guess you probably know by now that Schneider is back on with the Wings. But its still unclear about Chelios. Here's a good article on him, and hockey won't be the same without him (yes he's my favorite player) :D . At least Luc Robitaille is back home with the Kings! GO KINGS!
Chelios is realistic about future
By Angelique S. Chengelis / The Detroit News
DETROIT -- Chris Chelios understands the reality, and it is this: His Red Wings -- and, potentially, his NHL -- career is over.
Chelios, who took part in the celebrity softball game as part of All-Star festivities Sunday at Comerica Park, said if the NHL labor agreement is approved, he would have to shop around for a team that can afford him.
Chelios, 43, is an unrestricted free agent and would have to take a severe pay cut to remain with the Wings.
"In my position, being my age, with the (salary) cap, that pretty much gets me out," Chelios said. "The hard thing is having to relocate the family. I want to play really badly, but it's just going to be an issue of how many teams I can play for; that's a tough thing. It's got to end somewhere.
"I've played for 20 years, I'm not worried about a thing. I'd love to play, but if I don't, it won't be the end of the world. I still have the (minor league) Motor City Mechanics, so I don't have to leave home."
Chelios, who returned to Detroit to participate in the All-Star celebrity game, said he was shocked to hear that Red Wings coach Dave Lewis had been fired.
"It hit me from left field," Chelios said. "That was unexpected, that's for sure. That's the last thing I thought about during this whole thing. I had no idea that was in the works. Dave is a great guy."
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along with Chelios, Al MacInnis may be done, that sucks
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Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
except i care who wins the stanley cup, no one cares about who wins high school hockey in ontario, except maybe ontarioians
not who wins the cup, who "won" the cup. 14 years ago. real important.
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Originally posted by general grievous:
along with Chelios, Al MacInnis may be done, that sucks
It'd be a complete shame if the new CBA and the lockout ends the career of guys like MacInnis and Chelios without any fanfare. I'm hopeful Chelios comes back to the Wings for a minor amount, even if he's a third line defenseman.
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Well if Chelios doesn't care about $$ but just wants to play, apparently he has a home with the wings.
detroit free-press
The Wings also have made an offer to 43-year-old defenseman Chris Chelios but view him as someone who will be on the third unit. The team lost unrestricted free agent Mathieu Dandenault to the Montreal Canadiens, who offered him four years and $7 million, both numbers beyond what the Wings could afford.
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Originally posted by sonickteam4:
Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
except i care who wins the stanley cup, no one cares about who wins high school hockey in ontario, except maybe ontarioians
not who wins the cup, who "won" the cup. 14 years ago. real important. [/b]
fine. only tampa bay fans have bragging rights. let's move on
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Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
fine. only tampa bay fans have bragging rights. let's move on
thats more like it :)
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that includes bruins fans ;)
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Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
Originally posted by sonickteam4:
Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
except i care who wins the stanley cup, no one cares about who wins high school hockey in ontario, except maybe ontarioians
not who wins the cup, who "won" the cup. 14 years ago. real important. [/b]
fine. only tampa bay fans have bragging rights. let's move on [/b]
fucking a! wearing my stanley cup championship shirt as i type ...
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Originally posted by sonickteam4:
oh, and Neidermeyer goes to the Ducks...should be announced soon.
Venerable told me about this. The conversation went something like this:
VB: Sonick is saying Neidermayer to the Ducks
VS: We already signed Neidermayer
VB: I just saw that
VS: We had his rights, we just had to renegotiate a new contract
VB: No, Scott
VS: Holy Shit!
I haven't stopped smiling yet....
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congrats smackie. now you just have to re-sign Cory Pecker and you'll be on your way to the cup!
:)
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Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
that includes bruins fans ;)
but now that you have Andre Roy, you'll be playing the Ducks in June!!!!
(and when have i bragged about the Bruins, please tell me i havent done that!)
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i guess i should have said 'shit talking rights' too late now :)
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Originally posted by general grievous:
http://hockeyrumors.blogspot.com/
http://www.boltsmag.com/archives/2005/08/03/the-false-god/ (http://www.boltsmag.com/archives/2005/08/03/the-false-god/)
The false god
Filed under: The View from Canada, Rumors ?? Keith @ 5:41 pm
It??s been an amazing 72 hours as players are moving everywhere, and often to places you would last expect. Amonte to Calgary. Holik to Atlanta. Gonchar to the Pens. Pronger to Edmonton? As the mad dash for news flames across the internet, people everywhere are looking to scoop eachother to earn prestige and power on their respective discussion forums.
This leads me to one of my greatest pet-peeves about this lockout and the internet. I??ve bit my tongue for long enough, as I have finally gotten tired of this evil plague that has spread across internet discussion forums unabated.
This plague is Eklund, the false hockey god.
Eklund is just like John and myself, and every other blogger on the net: A bunch of people posting their opinions, generally not worried about whether others care. Eklund has somehow amassed a following that would have shamed David Koresh.
Despite the fact that his rumors site is batting about .010 in the accuracy department.
Make no mistake about it folks, Eklund is a plague, and you are the carrier. In these hectic days of free-agent orgies, Eklund??s ??rumors? - usually lifted off of legit news sources, and usually posted AFTER they appear elsewhere - are being posted everywhere. And I mean EVERYWHERE. He??s infected Hockeyforums, letsgowings, Calgarypuck, Scout.com, even Hockey??s Future (would link, but their server sucks and the site is unreachable? but that is another rant.) I could go on, and on, and on, and on.
And while I rant against Eklund, I also have to say I am impressed by him. Despite the fact that he is incorrect nearly 100% of the time, he has hundreds of loyal zombies refreshing his site every minute, desperately hoping to spread the virus to their home forums. All the while, he collects money from banner ads and from direct donations. One cannot help but to be impressed at how well he controls the sheeple that follow him, and how easily he has used them to fatten his own pockets.
Me, I refuse to follow the herd. I have never visited his site, and I will never visit his site. For the sake of every message board on the internet, I hope anyone reading this does too. He??s gotten fat of the naivity and ignorance of hockey fans long enough. Let this phenomenon die already. The internet will be better off for it.
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
Me, I refuse to follow the herd. I have never visited his site, and I will never visit his site. For the sake of every message board on the internet, I hope anyone reading this does too. He??s gotten fat of the naivity and ignorance of hockey fans long enough. Let this phenomenon die already. The internet will be better off for it.
somebody is jealous
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Originally posted by general grievous:
Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
Me, I refuse to follow the herd. I have never visited his site, and I will never visit his site. For the sake of every message board on the internet, I hope anyone reading this does too. He??s gotten fat of the naivity and ignorance of hockey fans long enough. Let this phenomenon die already. The internet will be better off for it.
somebody is jealous [/b]
hey, i didn't write it, just posting an alternate view ...
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
hey, i didn't write it, just posting an alternate view ...
I know that
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flyers trade roenick to kings. . .so, there's cap room for forsberg.
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
so, there's cap room for forsberg.
From one concussion to the next....
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everyone is all excited about their signings, especially fans of the Flyers.
i can see the really bad teams getting some good players to be happy, but come on people.
you got Forsberg, whoopty fucking doo. you lost Roenick
you got Hatcher, Rathje and some other guy(what was his name, but then lost LeClair, Zhamnov and Amonte.
so whats the big fat deal. now they're going to win the cup? i just dont get it really.
i dont see too many teams that have made THAT big of an improvement yet.
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Originally posted by sonickteam4:
i dont see too many teams that have made THAT big of an improvement yet.
The Ducks added Scott Neidermayer without losing Federov. I'll take that.
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very true.
also, Zhamnov to the Bruins is official.
if we can sign our RFA's i think we'll have improved too. (a bit)
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the cap is here so teams like the flyers spend less. if they are around as good as before the cap, that would seem like good news, right?
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
flyers trade roenick to kings. . .so, there's cap room for forsberg.
which means its a perfect time for the kings to sign chelios. oh yeah chelly and JR back together! i just might have to move back to cali on that one! :D
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Originally posted by xneverwherex:
which means its a perfect time for the kings to sign chelios. oh yeah chelly and JR back together! i just might have to move back to cali on that one! :D
makes me miss the old norris division when the blackhawks were good, hockey was so much better then
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Originally posted by general grievous:
Originally posted by xneverwherex:
which means its a perfect time for the kings to sign chelios. oh yeah chelly and JR back together! i just might have to move back to cali on that one! :D
makes me miss the old norris division when the blackhawks were good, hockey was so much better then [/b]
so true!
apparently the rangers were having players give away free tickets at MSG the other day.
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Originally posted by sonickteam4:
i dont see too many teams that have made THAT big of an improvement yet.
i completely agree ... i think alot of these teams would have made huge improvements if these moves had happened in 1999 ... all these names are OLD
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maybe some hockey fan with too much time on their hands can help me out. i need to track down the rosters of the central red army team and the flyers team from the infamous january 11, 1976 game (the one that the broad street bullies scared off the russian team)
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Originally posted by xneverwherex:
maybe some hockey fan with too much time on their hands can help me out. i need to track down the rosters of the central red army team and the flyers team from the infamous january 11, 1976 game (the one that the broad street bullies scared off the russian team)
Players on Ice:
Soviet Army -- Gusev, Lutchenko, Vasilyev, Volchenkov, Glazov, Lokotkov, Mikhailov, Maltsev, Volchkov, Kutyergin, Aleksandrov, Popov, Solodukhin, Kharlamov, Vikulov, Lobanov
Philadelphia Flyers -- Van Impe, Bladon, Goodenough, Dupont, Jim Watson, Joe Watson, Barber, Schultz, Kelly, Bridgman, Saleski, Dornhoefer, Crisp, Clarke, Lonsberry, MacLeish, Kindrachuk, Leach
Goaltenders:
Soviet Army: Tretiak
Philadelphia Flyers: Stephenson
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by xneverwherex:
maybe some hockey fan with too much time on their hands can help me out. i need to track down the rosters of the central red army team and the flyers team from the infamous january 11, 1976 game (the one that the broad street bullies scared off the russian team)
Players on Ice:
Soviet Army -- Gusev, Lutchenko, Vasilyev, Volchenkov, Glazov, Lokotkov, Mikhailov, Maltsev, Volchkov, Kutyergin, Aleksandrov, Popov, Solodukhin, Kharlamov, Vikulov, Lobanov
Philadelphia Flyers -- Van Impe, Bladon, Goodenough, Dupont, Jim Watson, Joe Watson, Barber, Schultz, Kelly, Bridgman, Saleski, Dornhoefer, Crisp, Clarke, Lonsberry, MacLeish, Kindrachuk, Leach
Goaltenders:
Soviet Army: Tretiak
Philadelphia Flyers: Stephenson [/b]
thanks much. by the way, where did you find that?
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Detroit Red Wings re-sign veteran defencemen Chris Chelios and Mathieu Schneider
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Originally posted by xneverwherex:
thanks much. by the way, where did you find that?
I called my friends at the Kremlin....
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8/4/2005 8:52:00 AM - WASHINGTON CAPITALS TO HOST PITTSBURGH PENGUINS
AT GIANT CENTER SUNDAY, SEPTEMBER 25
CAPITALS GEAR UP FOR SEASON OPENER WITH TUNE-UP AT GIANT CENTER AS
SIDNEY CROSBY AND THE PENGUINS COME TO CALL
HERSHEY ?? The HERSHEY BEARS announced today that the NHL will return to
central Pennsylvania as the Washington Capitals play host to the
Pittsburgh Penguins on Sunday, September 25 at GIANT Center. Face-off is set
for 5:00 p.m.
The game will be the first NHL exhibition game since the 2003
preseason, and the second-ever NHL game to be held at GIANT Center. The
Capitals became HERSHEY??S NHL affiliate this past April.
Pricing is as follows: Club seats are $45, 100 level seating is $30,
and 200 level seating is just $20. Tickets for the game go on sale
Monday, August 15 at 9AM at the GIANT Center Box Office or by calling (717)
534-3911. Tickets are also available through Ticketmaster starting at
10AM by calling (717) 260-2000 or online at ticketmaster.com. A group
rate is available for groups of 15 and more by calling (717) 534-3354.
All BEARS season ticket holders will receive a 10 percent discount off
gate pricing for their current seat locations when placing their order
through the GIANT Center Box Office. All BEARS Season Ticket holders
will have the opportunity to purchase their current seats between
Monday, August 15 and Wednesday, August 31st. All season seats not purchased
for this game between those dates will be released on September 1st for
public sale. All Capitals season ticket holders will also receive a 10
percent discount through an exclusive email offer.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Venerable told me about this. The conversation went something like this:
VB: Sonick is saying Neidermayer to the Ducks
VS: We already signed Neidermayer
VB: I just saw that
VS: We had his rights, we just had to renegotiate a new contract
VB: No, Scott
VS: Holy Shit!
I haven't stopped smiling yet....
Worst news ever for Devils fans. The only way it could possibly be worse is if Scott Stevens decides to retire.
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Originally posted by pip:
Worst news ever for Devils fans. The only way it could possibly be worse is if Scott Stevens decides to retire.
My disdain for the Devils knows no boundaries...
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by pip:
Worst news ever for Devils fans. The only way it could possibly be worse is if Scott Stevens decides to retire.
My disdain for the Devils knows no boundaries... [/b]
more than dentists?
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Originally posted by sonickteam4:
Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by pip:
Worst news ever for Devils fans. The only way it could possibly be worse is if Scott Stevens decides to retire.
My disdain for the Devils knows no boundaries... [/b]
more than dentists? [/b]
No. I would rather root for the Devils then go to the Dentist.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
No. I would rather root for the Devils then go to the Dentist.
well, I'll be at the dentist if you need me ;)
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blackhawks sign khabibulin. since when do the blackhawks ownership care about winning?
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
blackhawks sign khabibulin. since when do the blackhawks ownership care about winning?
question: if they get to the Stanley Cup Finals, will the games be televised?
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Originally posted by sonickteam4:
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
blackhawks sign khabibulin. since when do the blackhawks ownership care about winning?
question: if they get to the Stanley Cup Finals, will the games be televised? [/b]
NBC has agreed to televise some, but not all, of the Final Series.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by pip:
Worst news ever for Devils fans. The only way it could possibly be worse is if Scott Stevens decides to retire.
My disdain for the Devils knows no boundaries... [/b]
Still bitter over the 2003 finals?
Looks like Rafalski has re-signed with the Devils. And we've still got the best goaltender in the league. It's not a complete disaster, but the loss of Niedermayer and the uncertainty over Stevens is still enough to scare me. I suspect Lou's already got one of his rapid rebuilding plans brewing, and he's been pretty good with replacing star players before. The Devils defense may not be as good as it's been in the past, but I think they'll be good enough to make the Devils competitive.
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pens sign ziggy palffy.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by sonickteam4:
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
blackhawks sign khabibulin. since when do the blackhawks ownership care about winning?
question: if they get to the Stanley Cup Finals, will the games be televised? [/b]
NBC has agreed to televise some, but not all, of the Final Series. [/b]
i was making a joke about the city of Chicago's love for TV blackouts.
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I just picked up a 20 game pack of Pens tickets.
How much fun is this team going to be to watch?!
Mario
Sidney
Ziggy
Sergei
Evgeni
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Originally posted by The Artist Formerly Known As grotty:
I just picked up a 20 game pack of Pens tickets.
How much fun is this team going to be to watch?!
Mario
Sidney
Ziggy
Sergei
Evgeni
Hot rumours have CuJo heading to Pittsburgh in net. That team could be pretty darn good.
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Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:
Hot rumours have CuJo heading to Pittsburgh in net. That team could be pretty darn good.
Either him or Sean Burke to mentor Fleury.
IF they enforce the new rules it'll be early 90's deja vu all over again
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the Pens may make the playoffs, but i think you're a little "sidney-struck" if you think the Pens are going to win the Cup in the next couple years.
they have much improved on a horrific team of last year. but theres no guarantee Sidney is going to have a phenomenal rookie year, and we all know Mario wont play after the Olympics anyway so.
do they have any big Fwds? seems like if i was in Philly's division, I would grab a big fwds cause I dont see Crosby and Palffy lasting too long against Forsberg, Hatcher and Rathje. yikes!
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Originally posted by The Artist Formerly Known As grotty:
IF they enforce the new rules it'll be early 90's deja vu all over again [/QB]
I wouldn't make them favorites to win the cup (let's not get ridiculous), but they are a top 4-6 team in the east.
Everyone's saying "balance of power" and all that, but other then Pittsburgh, no team really appears much better or worse then they did 2 years ago. Sure, a few superstars have moved, but take Philly for example - Forsberg alone doesn't make that team any better then 2 years ago, that's foolish. And people keep saying Detroit and Colorado are "screwed" and it's true they don't have the cap room other teams do, but still their core teams are better then anyone elses. The Wings and Avalanche still have HoFers on their 3rd lines. I don't think things will be all that different other then a few select teams.
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Honestly - my feelings about this team have very little to do with Crosby. Whatever he adds is bonus.
I won't be surprised if they do add a bigger forward - but even as is they'll be fine:
Don't forget about Recchi who plays a lot bigger and tougher than he is & this kid - Ryan Malone (http://www.pittsburghpenguins.com/team/bio.php?id=81) - who was one of the better rookies last season.
That Philly formula for success is old news - it's done nothing for them in the past 30 years.
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Originally posted by The Artist Formerly Known As grotty:
That Philly formula for success is old news - it's done nothing for them in the past 30 years.
yeah? whens the last time the Pens beat the Flyers in the playoffs?
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Originally posted by sonickteam4:
they have any big Fwds? seems like if i was in Philly's division, I would grab a big fwds cause I dont see Crosby and Palffy lasting too long against Forsberg, Hatcher and Rathje. yikes!
mckenna and andre roy. roy might play with crosby and mario, or so the rumor goes
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Originally posted by sonickteam4:
Originally posted by The Artist Formerly Known As grotty:
That Philly formula for success is old news - it's done nothing for them in the past 30 years.
yeah? whens the last time the Pens beat the Flyers in the playoffs? [/b]
I think you have to go all the way back to..........NEVER
Tho I meant it hasn't helped them (Flyers) win a cup since the early 70's.
Don't try to derail my enthusiasm with sobering facts.
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Originally posted by The Artist Formerly Known As grotty:
Don't try to derail my enthusiasm with sobering facts.
oh, thats Vansmacks job isnt it ;)
I wont even start to make predictions about the NHL season other than:
a) the Bruins will be better than people think
b) the Flyers will be worse than people think
c) the Caps AND Avalanche will both miss the playoffs.
d) the Penguins will play 41 games in Pittsburgh.
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I agree on a, b, & d (especially B), but the Avs are still an elite team in the West.
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d is way off
i'd like to add e) fantasy hockey is going to be really really hard
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Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
d is way off
i'd like to add e) fantasy hockey is going to be really really hard
for REAL!
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Originally posted by The Artist Formerly Known As grotty:
I just picked up a 20 game pack of Pens tickets.
How much fun is this team going to be to watch?!
Mario
Sidney
Ziggy
Sergei
Evgeni
Do the Pens still give out the $16 Student Rush tickets? I used to love that when I was still in college in Pittsburgh. It was one of the best deals around and I scored seats in the first five rows on more than one occasion. I'd love to see it continued and even expanded to other teams. It would be great way to bring at least some of the fans back to hockey.
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Originally posted by pip:
Do the Pens still give out the $16 Student Rush tickets? I used to love that when I was still in college in Pittsburgh. It was one of the best deals around and I scored seats in the first five rows on more than one occasion. I'd love to see it continued and even expanded to other teams. It would be great way to bring at least some of the fans back to hockey.
I think that may have been a joint promo with a radio station - 105.9 the "alternative rock" station perhaps? Not sure if that's still on yet.
But these tickets I got are 46% less cost than they were during the last season. Definitely a sweet deal. Hockey actually feels affordable again.
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Originally posted by sonickteam4:
oh, thats Vansmacks job isnt it ;)
Sorry, I'm currently on a baseball tour of the West Coast. In my abscence, I defer all hockey fact checking to Sonick.
And yes Pip, I'm still bitter about 2003, but didn't like the Devils long before then.
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thanks smackie.
ok then. Andrew Cassells joins the Washington Capitals.
and Brendan Witt wants to be traded.
linky (http://tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?id=132883)
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pens get Thibault from Chicago.
for a 4th round pick.
wasnt Thibault traded in that Lindros trade years back?
anyway, now Pittsburgh is looking almost as good as any team.
though, someone still has to finish last!
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Originally posted by sonickteam4:
pens get Thibault from Chicago.
for a 4th round pick.
wasnt Thibault traded in that Lindros trade years back?
anyway, now Pittsburgh is looking almost as good as any team.
though, someone still has to finish last!
Fortunately, the Rangers play in the same division.
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Free Agency's WINNER & LOSERS (http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/columns/story?id=2128796)
Boston Bruins
GM Mike O'Connell started with nothing and within a matter of days built a team that has the makings of a Cup contender. Yes, O'Connell got jobbed when Mike Modano went back to Dallas at the last minute, but he still has a lineup that includes new faces Brian Leetch, Dave Scatchard, Alexei Zhamnov, Glen Murray, Shawn McEachern and Brad Isbister. Whether these players can be molded into a true team will be the challenge for sophomore coach Mike Sullivan. And, of course, there's the small matter of his unhappy captain, Joe Thornton.
Colorado Avalanche
Give up Peter Forsberg and Adam Foote and replace them with Pierre Turgeon and Patrice Brisebois? Yikes. Yes, there's still Joe Sakic, Rob Blake, Alex Tanguay and Milan Hejduk, but who's going to play net? How the mighty will fall.
New York Rangers
The Rangers are trapped between being a big-market power and building from the ground up, which explains the signings of injury-prone Martin Straka, mercurial Ville Nieminen and aging Martin Rucinsky, among other second-tier free agents. Kevin Weekes better get used to a ton of rubber being tossed his way in the Rangers' net.
Philadelphia Flyers
Let's see. Best player in the world? Check. Two tough, towering defensemen? Check. Check. GM Bob Clarke outdid himself by signing Peter Forsberg, Derian Hatcher and Mike Rathje to complement a well-rounded, talented cast. No other team has adjusted to the new system better or more quickly.
Pittsburgh Penguins
GM Craig Patrick can't take credit for the luck of the draw that landed Sidney Crosby in his lap, but he certainly took advantage of that good fortune to woo top free agents Sergei Gonchar and Ziggy Palffy. His signing of Mark Recchi before the lockout was another shrewd move as the Penguins have quickly remade themselves into a playoff-ready team. If, as expected, they add a veteran netminder such as Sean Burke or Curtis Joseph, the sky is the limit.
Washington Capitals
You still here? Hello? Hello? Anyone in there?
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Originally posted by The Artist Formerly Known As grotty:
Free Agency's WINNER & LOSERS (http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/columns/story?id=2128796)
Pittsburgh Penguins
GM Craig Patrick can't take credit for the luck of the draw that landed Sidney Crosby in his lap, but he certainly took advantage of that good fortune to woo top free agents Sergei Gonchar and Ziggy Palffy. His signing of Mark Recchi before the lockout was another shrewd move as the Penguins have quickly remade themselves into a playoff-ready team. If, as expected, they add a veteran netminder such as Sean Burke or Curtis Joseph, the sky is the limit.
The Pens just signed Jocelyn Thibault. Assuming he comes back from his hip operations of a few years ago, then I think he'll be a perfect mentor for Marc-Andre Fleury. No, he's not Sean Burke or Cujo but I think he's as good as Burke and Cujo would have been way to expensive for the Pens. Another good move by the Pens.
Philly scares me. They will just run over anyone they play. They still have yet to sign Esche, though, and their payroll is darn near the $39 million mark.
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ESPNs hockey commentary is the worst of all.
declaring winners and losers of free agency, 8 days in, is kinda like , stupid.
but leave it to ESPN to be stupid. here's to hoping NHL wont be on ESPN this year!!!
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buccigross on the caps: This is obviously the worst team in the NHL. But that is good. This is the team that drafted American-born Bobby Carpenter and they will be rewarded for that by winning the NHL draft lottery next May for the right to draft Kessel. That should be the Caps' plan this season. Be as bad as possible. Alexander Ovechkin is the real deal and will be reason enough to buy a ticket in D.C. Everyone can't become instant contenders via free agency. The Caps need to stink, draft, stink, draft for a couple of more years, and then they can see where they are. Otherwise, they are just wasting money. The NHL will come to resemble the NFL in terms of parity. The NHL will also become very young. In some respects that is good, because the game is going to become much faster. We already know the NHL is a much better game than the NFL's six-seconds-of-action, 30-seconds-of-walking-around show. Relax, Capital fans. You could be raising a Cup in 3-5 years. There is hope.
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
buccigross on the caps: This is obviously the worst team in the NHL. But that is good.
damn straight it's good, it means i'll be able to walk up to scalpers outside MCI at 7:05pm and pay $40/ticket for $90 face lower level tix ... the end of last year (two years ago) when they were dumping the team and no-one was showing up was beautiful, went to so many games for soooo cheap
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Originally posted by xcanuck:
The Pens just signed Jocelyn Thibault... he's not Sean Burke or Cujo but I think he's as good as Burke and Cujo would have been way to expensive for the Pens. Another good move by the Pens.
I was a little disappointed at first, but after you dig in this looks like a great pickup:
Jocelyn Thibault
Career Wins: 227
Career Save %: .905
Career Goals Against Average: 2.6
Age: 30
Sean Burke
Career Wins: 304
Career Save %: .902
Career Goals Against Average: 2.96
Age: 38
JT IS better and younger.
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if he can stay healthy.
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so i was just checking out the caps website at my boss's persistence and lo and behold he's right there on the first page in the picture about Aulin resigning. now if only he'd get his employees tickets that were that damn close. For those curious, the guy in the black jacket, blue shirt. Apparently the law firm of Jones Day holds those tickets. must go work there!
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
We already know the NHL is a much better game than the NFL's six-seconds-of-action, 30-seconds-of-walking-around show. [/QB]
Yeah, you keep thinkin' that.
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
We already know the NHL is a much better game than the NFL's six-seconds-of-action, 30-seconds-of-walking-around show. [/b]
Yeah, you keep thinkin' that. [/QB]
nothing wrong with the NFL , its a great league for the dull minded!
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Originally posted by sonickteam4:
nothing wrong with the NFL , its a great league for the dull minded! [/QB]
You could say the same with baseball, a sport we both love.
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
We already know the NHL is a much better game than the NFL's six-seconds-of-action, 30-seconds-of-walking-around show. [/b]
Yeah, you keep thinkin' that. [/QB]
what are you doubting? for every 60 seconds, there is maybe 10 seconds (at the most) of anything happening. after that, it's walking around, getting up, going to the huddle, walking back to the line. . .5 second play. . repeat.
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Originally posted by sonickteam4:
nothing wrong with the NFL , its a great league for the dull minded!
what a joke.
i don't want to get into debating the merits of various sports on here, but if you understand football you'll know that it's one of the most fascinating strategic sports out there ... much like how if you know baseball you could appreciate the little defensive strategies that take place on every play
soccer, rugby, hockey? not even close to as strategic/smart ... but certainly fun to watch
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
but if you understand football you'll know that it's one of the most fascinating strategic sports out there...
...yet still is simple enough to be played by 11 guys, only one of which might have an IQ over 90.
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Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:
Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
but if you understand football you'll know that it's one of the most fascinating strategic sports out there...
...yet still is simple enough to be played by 11 guys, only one of which might have an IQ over 90. [/b]
just because they're not sociologists or math wizards doesn't mean they're playing a "simple" game
have you seen an NFL playbook? do you realize that on any of hundreds of plays in the book, an offensive or defensive lineman -- which may seem to an idiot like you to just be smacking into the guy in front of him -- has to know which of dozens of different responsibilities is correct for that particular play? not to mention the routes a wide receiver runs or the enormous and diverse responsibilities linebackers or safeties have on each play
a "stupid" right guard does more brain work in one game than you do in a week at work.
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
soccer, rugby, hockey? not even close to as strategic/smart ... but certainly fun to watch
your ignorance shines brightly here.
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
just because they're not sociologists or math wizards doesn't mean they're playing a "simple" game
have you seen an NFL playbook? do you realize that on any of hundreds of plays in the book, an offensive or defensive lineman -- which may seem to an idiot like you to just be smacking into the guy in front of him -- has to know which of dozens of different responsibilities is correct for that particular play? not to mention the routes a wide receiver runs or the enormous and diverse responsibilities linebackers or safeties have on each play
a "stupid" right guard does more brain work in one game than you do in a week at work.
I'm not arguing that football doesn't have a backbone of masterful strategy, but my point still stands that the average IQ of professional football players is probably lower then that of any other major sport. The strategy is almost never decided on the field, but the sidelines (with notable exceptions for the QB).
And I'm saying this as a pretty big fan of college football. I'm not trying to bash college football, but to act like there's more cognitive functions in football then there is in a sport where every move isn't discussed for 30 seconds before it happens (a la basketball or hockey) is ridiculous.
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
have you seen an NFL playbook?
have you seen a rugby playbook, you pathetic fucking twat.
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Originally posted by sonickteam4:
Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
soccer, rugby, hockey? not even close to as strategic/smart ... but certainly fun to watch
your ignorance shines brightly here. [/b]
So I guess your disagreeing with the fact that they are fun to watch. :p
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Originally posted by sonickteam4:
Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
soccer, rugby, hockey? not even close to as strategic/smart ... but certainly fun to watch
your ignorance shines brightly here. [/b]
So I guess your disagreeing with the fact that they are fun to watch. :)
and let me clarify my initial comment on dull-mindedness.
i was referring to watching a sport, not playing it. though i am sure theres a bunch of big jocks on this forum, i figured most of the time, most of us are merely watching sports not playing them.
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Originally posted by sonickteam4:
no genius, i was disagreeing with the part about them not having strategy. :)
you stupid cunt ... all i said was that hockey, rugby, and soccer have less strategy than american football ... can you prove me wrong there?
every football play on both the offensive and defensive side are intricately designed -- there's a reason why football is very often compared to war ... every play is 8 seconds or so, but they have to line back up and restart everything for the next little burst of 8 seconds ... obviously some of you find this boring, but it has a point, the game is incredibly detailed ... and clearly more complicated and strategic than the sports i mentioned.
now ... fun to watch? that's a different thing entirely ... i'd take a hockey game live over a football game any day ... but with football on TV, especially when i'm watching my team, i rewind nearly every play to see how it developed and who screwed what assignment up, nothing like hockey, soccer or rugby
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
you stupid cunt ... all i said was that hockey, rugby, and soccer have less strategy than american football ... can you prove me wrong there?
why should i have to prove you wrong??? you made a completely ridiculous comment. you have no idea how complicated hockey or rugby (or probably soccer for that matter) are.
i dont have my head up my ass, so i shouldn't need to prove anything.
why dont you prove your own statement. instead of telling us that its "intricate" and "complicated" why dont you tell us how hockey or rugby is not.
i bet you cant.
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
and clearly more complicated and strategic than the sports i mentioned.
it doesnt seem so clear to me so why dont you elaborate. you would you like to stick to being vague.
so in hockey, the players just skate around hoping to get the puck in the net all willy-nilly like?
they dont have set plays and strategies, matchups, designed offenses and defenses? or are you just to stupid to recognize them cause they are constantly changing so you say there is none?
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Originally posted by sonickteam4:
so in hockey, the players just skate around hoping to get the puck in the net all willy-nilly like?
Yes, and my point is, the hockey (or basketball, or rugby, or etc) players do this for long periods at a time, without stopping every few seconds to discuss the next 8 seconds of action. Football may have great strategy but I give the players very little credit when every 8 seconds of action is precluded by 30 seconds of instruction.
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Originally posted by sonickteam4:
Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
and clearly more complicated and strategic than the sports i mentioned.
it doesnt seem so clear to me so why dont you elaborate. you would you like to stick to being vague.
so in hockey, the players just skate around hoping to get the puck in the net all willy-nilly like?
they dont have set plays and strategies, matchups, designed offenses and defenses? or are you just to stupid to recognize them cause they are constantly changing so you say there is none? [/b]
will do.
of COURSE hockey, rugby, and soccer all are incredibly intricate sports with tons of strategy involved ... i don't want to go into a dissertation on the new jersey trap, but it's obvious to any sports fan that there are plenty of designed plays and matchups and line changes and everything else ... any professional sport has tons of strategy involved
that said, football just has more of it ... like i was saying before, every play is only 5-8 seconds, yet they spend another 40 seconds setting up their strategy (like the right guard will cut the under tackle or block his left shoulder, to name two of dozens of options that one guy has on each play) for that one burst of energy ... hockey, soccer, and rugby (i really just arbitrarily picked those sports, you could throw basketball and others in there as well) are free flowing games where you don't get a stoppage of play to set up strategy, there is much more freelancing and there are more "general" concepts and strategies, sure they set up individual plays, but they're nothing compared to the intricacies (have i used that word enough?) involved in a single football play
sorry, you're just wrong on this one
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
that said, football just has more of it ... like i was saying before, every play is only 5-8 seconds, yet they spend another 40 seconds setting up their strategy
How does this help your point? How? "OK, let's all get on the same page. Here's what we're going to do!" It's the ultimate dumbing down. In basketball or hockey you have to - gasp! - be so in sync you know what your teammates are going to do without planning it 4 seconds before.
Your argument is basically, football players are smart because they play a sport that they're too stupid to play without discussing every move in minute detail. Ok then, chief.
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Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:
How does this help your point? How? "OK, let's all get on the same page. Here's what we're going to do!" It's the ultimate dumbing down. In basketball or hockey you have to - gasp! - be so in sync you know what your teammates are going to do without planning it 4 seconds before.
Your argument is basically, football players are smart because they play a sport that they're too stupid to play without discussing every move in minute detail. Ok then, chief.
either you just completely contradicted yourself, or we're on different pages entirely ... because by calling one play (you should hear gruden call one of his, it sounds like gibberish) they discuss every move by all 11 players in minute detail it is more strategic than other sports, that's the only point i'm making
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
sorry, you're just wrong on this one
my point is that there is no right or wrong on this one you asshole. they all have strategies, and they are all very intricate at the pro level. its apples and oranges. saying one has more, is just false.
so you my friend, are just wrong. and you're a prick so thats two strikes.
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
they discuss every move by all 11 players in minute detail it is more strategic than other sports, that's the only point i'm making
so since there are more players its more strategic? you have no logic. perhaps you should stick to writing about music in the free newspapers.
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
i don't want to go into a dissertation on the new jersey trap
just admit you dont know shit about hockey. go ahead. i wont make fun of you.
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and lets not gloss over the fact that hockey players have to learn how to ice skate. i'd like to see Warren Sapp in a pair of ice skates!
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Originally posted by sonickteam4:
so since there are more players its more strategic?
you got it buddy, that was my entire argument ... your powers of reading comprehension astound me
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Originally posted by sonickteam4:
my point is that there is no right or wrong on this one you asshole. they all have strategies, and they are all very intricate at the pro level. its apples and oranges. saying one has more, is just false.
so you my friend, are just wrong. and you're a prick so thats two strikes.
"strategy" can be quantified, it is commonly defined as: "1: an elaborate and systematic plan of action"
there are an average of 125 "plays" in each football game, so 250 plays called including offense and defense on each play ... each of those plays involve more "strategy" (which, if you understand the definition, is quantifiable) than every other sport
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you still think you have a valid point here?
seriously. come on , stop messin with us!
how can you compare two or more things when you clearly know nothing about one or more of them?
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
there are an average of 125 "plays" in each football game, so 250 plays called including offense and defense on each play ... each of those plays involve more "strategy" (which, if you understand the definition, is quantifiable) than every other sport
We're not just going to let you frame the issue anyway you want. Consider it this way: for every 8 seconds of action in football, there's ~32 seconds of inactivity, therefore, by that ratio, in a one hour contest, there's 12 minutes of actual preformance/decision making. By contrast, hockey players have to do a full 60 minutes of decision making/decision carrying-out, and on the fly no less. So clearly, quantifiably, there's more strategy, just by pure numbers, in hockey.
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good point pornoman, and this is pretty useless as we're just screaming past each other at this point ... but, sonick, i do have a good understanding of hockey .. admittedly it's not on the same level for me as basketball, baseball, and football -- but i know more about the sport than the average fan ... my friend is a beat writer for the south florida sun sentinel covering the panthers, and we talk a lot of hockey ...
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
my friend is a beat writer for the south florida sun sentinel covering the panthers, and we talk a lot of hockey ...
The Florida Panthers do not count as a hockey team in any way, shape, or form.
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Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:
Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
my friend is a beat writer for the south florida sun sentinel covering the panthers, and we talk a lot of hockey ...
The Florida Panthers do not count as a hockey team in any way, shape, or form. [/b]
wow, that's hilarious ... when i was watching the penguins get the shit kicked out of them in the eastern conference finals, i thought i was watching the panthers play, i guess it was just a football team that got lost
i have this great memory of tom barrasso having to duck under the net as hundreds of rats rained onto the ice ... such a fun series to be at, had to hide rats in our hats and stuff ...
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Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:
for every 8 seconds of action in football, there's ~32 seconds of inactivity, therefore, by that ratio, in a one hour contest, there's 12 minutes of actual preformance/decision making. By contrast, hockey players have to do a full 60 minutes of decision making/decision carrying-out, and on the fly no less. So clearly, quantifiably, there's more strategy, just by pure numbers, in hockey.
I don't want to get involved in this (but it's been fun to read) because there is no winner. But most hockey coaches call a timeout to strategize in the most curcial of moments, so you analogy of 60 minutes of strategy is completely misplaced. Sometimes, that 30 seconds in between plays in football is when most of the strategy actually happens.
But again, there is no winner in this argument. I just wanted to point out your flawed logic.
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:
Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
my friend is a beat writer for the south florida sun sentinel covering the panthers, and we talk a lot of hockey ...
The Florida Panthers do not count as a hockey team in any way, shape, or form. [/b]
wow, that's hilarious ... when i was watching the penguins get the shit kicked out of them in the eastern conference finals, i thought i was watching the panthers play, i guess it was just a football team that got lost
i have this great memory of tom barrasso having to duck under the net as hundreds of rats rained onto the ice ... such a fun series to be at, had to hide rats in our hats and stuff ... [/b]
and you were 15 when that happened? wow! puberty and the Stanley cup finals. must have been a great year for you!
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Originally posted by vansmack:
I just wanted to point out your flawed logic.
I agree it's flawed (flawd?) but that's sort of my intention, because I was just showing that if allowed to frame issues without rebuttal, we can make anything look like anything.
His analogy is equally as flawed; football has 250 plays per game? Couldn't I argue that there's a near infinite number of decisions/plays going on in a hockey game? My contention isn't even that hockey is more of a thinking game then football but just that this idea that "football is the chess of athletic competition" and everything else is way below it is absurd.
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Originally posted by sonickteam4:
and you were 15 when that happened? wow! puberty and the Stanley cup finals. must have been a great year for you!
nope, i was 14 for that series (had a couple of months before my birthday) ... and yeah, 1996 was a pretty damn good year for me, come to think of it
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i can see you people at sporting events with your stop watches going "heres when the strategy happens"
nice.
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Originally posted by sonickteam4:
i can see you people at sporting events with your stop watches going "heres when the strategy happens"
I can see you watching the Vancouver Canucks getting their ass kicked the Columbus Blue Jackets on ESPN (or, soon, OLN) and ripping your shirt in two screaming, "Oh, for the glory of mother Canada! I shall avenge thee," and boycotting any stores that happen to sell jackets that are blue.
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Originally posted by sonickteam4:
i can see you people at sporting events with your stop watches going "heres when the strategy happens"
nice.
yep, i have three on each arm, then an old-fashioned one with a chain that goes in the front pocket of my three piece suit ... it's a tough business, but someone has to quantify the strategy
only real issue i run into is trying to juggle those big draft beers with all my stopwatches ... still trying to find a system for that ...
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
only real issue i run into is trying to juggle those big draft beers with all my stopwatches ... still trying to find a system for that ...
Perhaps this just seems obvious to me as the board's resident faux-celeb porn connoisseur, but may I suggest you make use of the penis?
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Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:
Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
only real issue i run into is trying to juggle those big draft beers with all my stopwatches ... still trying to find a system for that ...
Perhaps this just seems obvious to me as the board's resident faux-celeb porn connoisseur, but may I suggest you make use of the penis? [/b]
genius!! my problems are finally solved ... just need to find a steady supply of viagra, keeping an erection for three+ hours is getting hard for me in my old age
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
only real issue i run into is trying to juggle those big draft beers with all my stopwatches ... still trying to find a system for that ...
duh. beer hat with straws.
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Originally posted by thatguy:
Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
only real issue i run into is trying to juggle those big draft beers with all my stopwatches ... still trying to find a system for that ...
duh. beer hat with straws. [/b]
that's why i love this forum ... practical solutions to my every-day problems ... muchas gracias ...
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
that's why i love this forum ... practical solutions to my every-day problems ... muchas gracias ...
Any ideas on what I should eat for lunch?
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
that's why i love this forum ... practical solutions to my every-day problems ... muchas gracias ...
Any ideas on what I should eat for lunch? [/b]
duh. beer hat with straws.
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thanks for getting this back on topic!
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
that's why i love this forum ...
i thought you liked it cause no one can smack the shit out of you when you say ridiculous things and act like a twerp?
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Originally posted by Shadrach:
http://fantasysports.yahoo.com/analysis/news?slug=rotowire-ozeftumpelnenguinsut&prov=rotowire&type=lgns&league=nhl (http://fantasysports.yahoo.com/analysis/news?slug=rotowire-ozeftumpelnenguinsut&prov=rotowire&type=lgns&league=nhl)
He likes Ziggy that much huh?
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
there are an average of 125 "plays" in each football game, so 250 plays called including offense and defense on each play ... each of those plays involve more "strategy" (which, if you understand the definition, is quantifiable) than every other sport
so. . here's a question then. . .if there are, say, 235 pitches thrown in a baseball game, does each pitch qualify as a "strategy"? and what about the strategy of the batter facing those pitches??
sorry, but saying that because football has more plays called than, supposedly, every other sport and is therefore more strategic is just foolish.
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
so. . here's a question then. . .if there are, say, 235 pitches thrown in a baseball game, does each pitch qualify as a "strategy"? and what about the strategy of the batter facing those
i don't have any stats off the top of my head, but i would venture to guess that there are more pitches thrown in an average game, but that there is less strategy going on in directing the movements and responsibilities of the 10 people on the field for the single pitch than there is in a single play on the football field ... the reason for this is that many pitches the strategy will simply be much the same as the previous pitch (outfield shifted to the right, infield in, 2 outs, play's at 3rd, etc)
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
sorry, but saying that because football has more plays called than, supposedly, every other sport and is therefore more strategic is just foolish.
i'd rather not further belabor the point, but my argument was not centered around the fact that football has more plays called than other sports, therefore has more strategy ... i was simply pointing out the sheer volume of intricate discrete strategies employed in each game
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
my argument was not centered around the fact that football has more plays called than other sports, therefore has more strategy
oh my god!!!! it was like the ENTIRE substance of 3/4 of your posts here!!!!
:D :D :D :D :eek:
you need a beer dude, you've been working too hard this week!!!!
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
i don't have any stats off the top of my head,
hahahahahahah
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Originally posted by sonickteam4:
oh my god!!!! it was like the ENTIRE substance of 3/4 of your posts here!!!!
man, you sure like to create these exaggerated versions of the truth on here for yourself, don't you?
guess it works for some folks ...
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Yea, to be fair, it was really only one small facet of Hoya's argument. To also be fair, it was a flawed facet and a convoluted, distorted argument, but still.
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
so. . here's a question then. . .if there are, say, 235 pitches thrown in a baseball game, does each pitch qualify as a "strategy"? and what about the strategy of the batter facing those pitches??
Don't forget throwing to bases with runners on. Those count as a play too, so lets look at about 260.
Yes, in his attempt to quantify strategy, he fell well short.
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Originally posted by sonickteam4:
Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
i don't have any stats off the top of my head,
hahahahahahah [/b]
sorry for dissapointing sonick, there were an average of 285 pitches per nine-inning game in 2001, i assume it's relatively similar today
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=1118 (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=1118)
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Don't forget throwing to bases with runners on. Those count as a play too, so lets look at about 260.
Yes, in his attempt to quantify strategy, he fell well short.
look back at it, I never tried to say that "there are more plays per game in football than there are in baseball, therefore it's more complex", i was just pointing out the sheer # of "set pieces" in american football
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
so. . here's a question then. . .if there are, say, 235 pitches thrown in a baseball game, does each pitch qualify as a "strategy"? and what about the strategy of the batter facing those
i don't have any stats off the top of my head, but i would venture to guess that there are more pitches thrown in an average game, but that there is less strategy going on in directing the movements and responsibilities of the 10 people on the field for the single pitch than there is in a single play on the football field ... the reason for this is that many pitches the strategy will simply be much the same as the previous pitch (outfield shifted to the right, infield in, 2 outs, play's at 3rd, etc)[/b]
that would, of course, be assuming that there is no one on base, and giving no consideration to who that runner is. i think you are short-changing baseball strategy simply because there are less moving parts, but there is certainly no less strategy involved.
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
that would, of course, be assuming that there is no one on base, and giving no consideration to who that runner is. i think you are short-changing baseball strategy simply because there are less moving parts, but there is certainly no less strategy involved.
sure, strategies change pitch-by-pitch, especially depending on the type of pitcher on the mound, but i'm really not short-changing the sport, there's a bunch going on in baseball and i'll be the first to defend it to people who rip on it for being boring ... we're really not getting anywhere here ...
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
sure, strategies change pitch-by-pitch, especially depending on the type of pitcher on the mound
vs.
Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
i don't have any stats off the top of my head, but i would venture to guess that there are more pitches thrown in an average game, but that there is less strategy going on in directing the movements and responsibilities of the 10 people on the field for the single pitch than there is in a single play on the football field ... the reason for this is that many pitches the strategy will simply be much the same as the previous pitch (outfield shifted to the right, infield in, 2 outs, play's at 3rd, etc)
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Originally posted by sonickteam4:
Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
that's why i love this forum ...
i thought you liked it cause no one can smack the shit out of you when you say ridiculous things and act like a twerp? [/b]
i actually have these kind of friendly "bar debates" with friends all the time ... whether football is more strategic than basketball, or which band is better than another ... but usually they're just that, friendly, and don't lead to people "smacking the shit" out of each other
what world do you live in?
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
vs.
your point? i said that on many pitches the strategy will be similar to the last pitch, and i'd venture to say that that's right ... sure there are little shifts depending on the count, but things like lefty-on-lefty and the hitter's tendencies don't really change that much
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Can we talk about hockey again? Anyone else think that the NHL's new logo is completely pointless?
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
vs.
your point? i said that on many pitches the strategy will be similar to the last pitch, and i'd venture to say that that's right ... sure there are little shifts depending on the count, but things like lefty-on-lefty and the hitter's tendencies don't really change that much [/b]
little shifts? so are you saying that baseball has discrete strategies involved too? all i'm saying is that simply because one sport has more pieces doesn't mean that it involves more strategy.
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Originally posted by pip:
Anyone else think that the NHL's new logo is completely pointless?
It will sell well in the ghettos, hockey's largest untapped fan base, but I'll tell you, orange is making a comeback. I would have stuck with it.
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
little shifts? so are you saying that baseball has discrete strategies involved too? all i'm saying is that simply because one sport has more pieces doesn't mean that it involves more strategy.
fair enough, well said ...
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Originally posted by pip:
Can we talk about hockey again? Anyone else think that the NHL's new logo is completely pointless?
courtesy of page 2's uni watch:
Why Pierre Can't Read
Anyone else think the NHL totally blew it when revising its logo from this (http://www.coloradoavalanche.com/Images/NewsImages/NHL_Logo.jpg) to this (http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/cpress/20050722/capt.s072259a.jpg)? The silver motif is fine, the beveled effect is cool, and Uni Watch doesn't even mind the typeface. But having the lettering flow up instead of down (no doubt intended to make us all believe the league is moving onward and upward, oh boy!) is such a total joke that you've gotta wonder who's running the show over there. Oh, right -- Bettman and Goodenow.
Memo to all involved: Just as our eyes are acculturated to reading from left to right, they're also used to reading from top to bottom. That's why the first line of this article is at the top of the page instead of the bottom, why beauty pageant contestants wear their sashes like this (http://www.ninimomo.com/04ila.JPG), and why the NHL has uniforms like this (http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/152/3171.jpg) and this (http://www.coloradoavalanche.com/Images/NewsImages/Hinote_Third-Jersey.jpg) -- you're not planning to change those designs, are you? (Uni Watch hastens to add that this question is purely rhetorical.) As it stands now, all you've done is reinforce the idea that the NHL is amateur hour. Nice going.
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
Originally posted by pip:
Can we talk about hockey again? Anyone else think that the NHL's new logo is completely pointless?
courtesy of page 2's uni watch:
Why Pierre Can't Read
Anyone else think the NHL totally blew it when revising its logo from this (http://www.coloradoavalanche.com/Images/NewsImages/NHL_Logo.jpg) to this (http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/cpress/20050722/capt.s072259a.jpg)? The silver motif is fine, the beveled effect is cool, and Uni Watch doesn't even mind the typeface. But having the lettering flow up instead of down (no doubt intended to make us all believe the league is moving onward and upward, oh boy!) is such a total joke that you've gotta wonder who's running the show over there. Oh, right -- Bettman and Goodenow.
Memo to all involved: Just as our eyes are acculturated to reading from left to right, they're also used to reading from top to bottom. That's why the first line of this article is at the top of the page instead of the bottom, why beauty pageant contestants wear their sashes like this (http://www.ninimomo.com/04ila.JPG), and why the NHL has uniforms like this (http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/152/3171.jpg) and this (http://www.coloradoavalanche.com/Images/NewsImages/Hinote_Third-Jersey.jpg) -- you're not planning to change those designs, are you? (Uni Watch hastens to add that this question is purely rhetorical.) As it stands now, all you've done is reinforce the idea that the NHL is amateur hour. Nice going. [/b]
What I thought was cool about the old logo that's now missing is that, whether intentional or not, the "L" had the effect of looking like a hockey stick (someone had to point it out me... I wasn't smart enough to figure it out on my own). Going bottom to top, that's no longer the case.
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Originally posted by pip:
What I thought was cool about the old logo that's now missing is that, whether intentional or not, the "L" had the effect of looking like a hockey stick (someone had to point it out me... I wasn't smart enough to figure it out on my own). Going bottom to top, that's no longer the case.
well then, i trust that you realized that this isn't just a logo of a baseball glove-
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
that's why i love this forum ... practical solutions to my every-day problems ... muchas gracias ...
my pleasure. it's what i'm here for.
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Pens sign JOHN LECLAIR
http://www.pittsburghpenguins.com/team/press/arts/1296.0.php (http://www.pittsburghpenguins.com/team/press/arts/1296.0.php)
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OK, the Penguins are quickly becoming the class of the East, unless there's major chemistry issues or something like that.
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ok, so whos willing to wager on the Pens winning their division? I'd love to take someone up on that one!
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Originally posted by sonickteam4:
ok, so whos willing to wager on the Pens winning their division? I'd love to take someone up on that one!
The Flyers are going to be slightly worse then last year and Jersey has fallen off a bit. I'd still give the Division to Philly, but I couldn't see them winning it by more then 6-10 points over Pittsburgh.
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Originally posted by The Artist Formerly Known As grotty:
Sean Burke
Career Wins: 304
Career Save %: .902
Career Goals Against Average: 2.96
Age: 38
i'm happy about the bolts pickup of burke, he'll team up well with grahame ... still a bit befuddled as to how they let 'bulin get away so easily ... his playoffs last year were just legendary
rumo(u)r has it that lecavalier is discussing a 10 YR DEAL with the bolts ... pretty bizarre ... st. louis should be inked soon, and we got pretty much all our back line back
i'm predicting an easy win of the SE division and a tough slog in the playoffs, unless grahame emerges as some kind of savior
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i remember Graehme when he was on the Bruins. don't count on him being a saviour.
at all.
i predict that everyone's predictions will be totally off base this year!
Including my Calgary over Philadelphia Stanley Cup Final predictions....
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
rumo(u)r has it that lecavalier is discussing a 10 YR DEAL with the bolts ... pretty bizarre ...
There is no way with this new salary cap - which has a serious possibility of sliding downward annually - that a team signs any player, especially a big money guy like LeCavalier to a ten year deal.
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The Leafs will now go all the way with the signing of Lindros......LOL
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
The Leafs will now go all the way with the signing of Lindros......LOL
All the way to the NHL draft lottery. Biggest loser of free agency, by far.
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Originally posted by sonickteam4:
i remember Graehme when he was on the Bruins. don't count on him being a saviour.
at all.
yeah, it would surprise me if he blossomed into something great, but he definitely has some potential and flashed some serious skills backing up 'bulin last year (is it OK to just refer to two years ago as "last year" from here on out?)
which is why burke is a nice addition, hopefully they'll be a good tandem ... but a good tandem does not a deep playoff team make
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Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:
Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
rumo(u)r has it that lecavalier is discussing a 10 YR DEAL with the bolts ... pretty bizarre ...
There is no way with this new salary cap - which has a serious possibility of sliding downward annually - that a team signs any player, especially a big money guy like LeCavalier to a ten year deal. [/b]
hey, i thought it was strange too ... i've been hearing 3yrs/20mil for vinny and i think that's probably the ballpark of what it will end up at ... probably similar $ for st. louis ...
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by the way, what if san-loo-wee (st. louis) played for say-nt loo-wis (st. louis) ... crazy!!
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
by the way, what if san-loo-wee (st. louis) played for say-nt loo-wis (st. louis) ... crazy!!
The only thing better would be if Miroslav Satan played for the NJ Devils. If that were ever to happen, I would totally have to buy a Devils' Satan jersey.
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Originally posted by pip:
The only thing better would be if Miroslav Satan played for the NJ Devils. If that were ever to happen, I would totally have to buy a Devils' Satan jersey.
I used to have a Hell's Satans biker jacket.
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hahaha
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leonsis is doing a Q&A (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2005/08/15/DI2005081500896.html) on washingtonpost.com today at noon.
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finally! back to talking about hockey!!
OK - more useless predictions:
1. The Pens will not finish in the top of their division (porbably second) and will not make it past the second round of the playoffs. However considering how they've done in the past few years, this will be a substantial improvement.
2. Philly will dominate the east. The only real competitor is Ottawa but that will depend SO much on how well Hasek is able to come out of retirement. Frankly, I'd love to see Ottawa win the east but I don't Hasek can do it.
3. There's too much parity in the west to make a prediction though I'd like to see Vancouver pull it out this year. I'm not happy that Bertuzzi is back in the league, but he'll make a difference.
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
The Leafs will now go all the way with the signing of Lindros......LOL
Why anyone would sign old 'sponge-brain' is beyone me.
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All 30 teams are playing on opening night. Which game(s) are you going to watch? Here's the schedule:
Montreal at Boston, 7 p.m.
NY Islanders at Buffalo, 7 p.m.
NY Rangers at Philadelphia, 7 p.m.
Columbus at Washington, 7 p.m.
Atlanta at Florida, 7 p.m.
Ottawa at Toronto, 7 p.m.
Pittsburgh at New Jersey, 7:30 p.m.
Carolina at Tampa Bay, 7:30 p.m.
St. Louis at Detroit, 7:30 p.m.
San Jose at Nashville, 8 p.m.
Anaheim at Chicago, 8:30 p.m.
Calgary at Minnesota, 8:30 p.m.
Los Angeles at Dallas, 8:30 p.m.
Colorado at Edmonton, 9:30 p.m.
Phoenix at Vancouver, 10 p.m.
Personally, I'll be flicking between the Mtl/Bos and Ott/Tor, then moving on to go between Col/Edm and Phx/Van.
I'm thinking of going to Bugsy's in Alexandria (the ONLY hockey bar in the area) so I can watch multiple games at once. That's why God gave you two eyes!
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Originally posted by xcanuck:
3. There's too much parity in the west to make a prediction though I'd like to see Vancouver pull it out this year. I'm not happy that Bertuzzi is back in the league, but he'll make a difference.
Perhaps I'm just biased, but how is Detroit not far and away the best team in the West (assuming they resign restricted players like Kronwall, Datsyuk and Zetterberg)? They still have a talented HoF core (Yzerman, Shanahan, Chelios, Lindstrom), have great young players injected into their system like the above three, more speed on the blue line then last year (Andy Delmore, Schneider, Lindstrom, Chelios, Fisher, Kronwall), and a Stanley Cup winning goaltender.
I could see the Calgary argument, but they've lost stuff, and were more "hot" then actually "good" last year.
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Originally posted by xcanuck:
St. Louis at Detroit, 7:30 p.m.
if I can find it
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Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:
Perhaps I'm just biased, but how is Detroit not far and away the best team in the West (assuming they resign restricted players like Kronwall, Datsyuk and Zetterberg)? They still have a talented HoF core (Yzerman, Shanahan, Chelios, Lindstrom), have great young players injected into their system like the above three, more speed on the blue line then last year (Andy Delmore, Schneider, Lindstrom, Chelios, Fisher, Kronwall), and a Stanley Cup winning goaltender.
I could see the Calgary argument, but they've lost stuff, and were more "hot" then actually "good" last year.
I'll give you your point about Calgary. I don't see them repeating because they hit their stride at just the right time and were lucky when it comes to injuries (or the lack thereof).
When it comes to Detroit, they're definitely one of the top three but I worry about their goaltending this year (Osgoode and Legace?). I don't see Yzerman being the sparkplug he's been in past years. He'll be a great leader in the locker room but I'm thinking he's going the way Messier did in his last few years. Same with Chellios. It was amazing the number of penalties he took in the 2003-2004 season because he couldn't keep up.
Don't get me wrong. I really like the team Detroit has become but I think Detroit has lost a wee bit and that puts them roughly equal with alot of other teams in the West. The last few weeks of the season are going to be great to watch!
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Originally posted by general grievous:
Originally posted by xcanuck:
St. Louis at Detroit, 7:30 p.m.
if I can find it [/b]
NHL Centre Ice! The best $129 you'll spend.
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Originally posted by xcanuck:
When it comes to Detroit, they're definitely one of the top three but I worry about their goaltending this year (Osgoode and Legace?). I don't see Yzerman being the sparkplug he's been in past years. He'll be a great leader in the locker room but I'm thinking he's going the way Messier did in his last few years. Same with Chellios. It was amazing the number of penalties he took in the 2003-2004 season because he couldn't keep up.
Don't get me wrong. I really like the team Detroit has become but I think Detroit has lost a wee bit and that puts them roughly equal with alot of other teams in the West. The last few weeks of the season are going to be great to watch!
Goaltending has never been the do-or-die thing for the Wings, and it won't be this year. The complaint has always been the wings are oooooold and they're injecting young talented guys like Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Fischer, Delmore and more into the mix. I don't think Yzerman will light the world up scoring wise, but he's a top 2 center on any team in the league, Toronto included.
Chelios is older then dirt, but they're only using him as a third line defenseman, so hopefully he'll stay fresh and keep his legs. I think the mere "teaching" aspect of what he can do for Kronwall, Fischer and DElmore is invaluable.
Other then Hull, I just don't see how the wings have lost much of anything, and in fact, they're positioning themself to actually have some longevity.
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Originally posted by xcanuck:
All 30 teams are playing on opening night. Which game(s) are you going to watch?
Pittsburgh at New Jersey (assuming that I can even find it on TV) for as long as I can, but at some point I'll be heading to 930 for the stellastarr* show. There's just way too much going on that week.
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Originally posted by xcanuck:
NHL Centre Ice! The best $129 you'll spend.
no cable, is there a hockey equivalent to mlb.tv?, i watch all the Cardinals games online
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Originally posted by xcanuck:
Which game(s) are you going to watch?
Probably game one of the ALDS or NLDS.
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Originally posted by xcanuck:
All 30 teams are playing on opening night. Which game(s) are you going to watch?
Columbus at Washington, 7 p.m.
I'm going to this game. should be excited. I hope to see the Jackets in the playoffs this year. :) (and watch my signed Rick Nash hockey stick sky-rocket in value!!)
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by xcanuck:
Which game(s) are you going to watch?
Probably game one of the ALDS or NLDS. [/b]
you wanna get swept by the Sox again this year?
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Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:
Goaltending has never been the do-or-die thing for the Wings, and it won't be this year. The complaint has always been the wings are oooooold and they're injecting young talented guys like Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Fischer, Delmore and more into the mix. I don't think Yzerman will light the world up scoring wise, but he's a top 2 center on any team in the league, Toronto included.
Chelios is older then dirt, but they're only using him as a third line defenseman, so hopefully he'll stay fresh and keep his legs. I think the mere "teaching" aspect of what he can do for Kronwall, Fischer and DElmore is invaluable.
Other then Hull, I just don't see how the wings have lost much of anything, and in fact, they're positioning themself to actually have some longevity.
Looking back on it, you're quite right about the goaltending. Even with mediocre goalies, the problem for Detroit was that they couldn't score against the hot goalies they faced (eg. Kipper, Giguere).
I think the assumption is that kids like Datsyuk, Kronwall, Zetterberg, etc will be able to pick up the slack. And maybe they will. We'll just have to wait and see...only 50 days until they drop the puck for real!!
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Originally posted by sonickteam4:
you wanna get swept by the Sox again this year?
No Pedro, no Schilling, no sweep.
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Originally posted by xcanuck:
I think the assumption is that kids like Datsyuk, Kronwall, Zetterberg, etc will be able to pick up the slack. And maybe they will. We'll just have to wait and see...only 50 days until they drop the puck for real!!
Well Datsyuk and Zetterberg have been second liners together and very successful already, although they're going to have to prove they can do it without Hull. I think the Wings biggest problem is they have a glut at center (Yzerman, Lang, Datsyuk, Draper) and only a handful of great wingers (Shanahan, Zetterberg, and then, uh, yeah). I'd have liked to see them pick up another wingman.
Defense is the question. I like Fisher, but Kronwall and Rivers being a top-4 and top-6 defenseman respectively worries me. I think Delmore has huge upside, though.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by sonickteam4:
you wanna get swept by the Sox again this year?
No Pedro, no Schilling, no sweep. [/b]
WHAT!!!!!!!!! Your not scared of Arroyo or Wade Miller? :roll:
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by sonickteam4:
you wanna get swept by the Sox again this year?
No Pedro, no Schilling, no sweep. [/b]
WHAT!!!!!!!!! Your not scared of Arroyo or Wade Miller? :roll: [/b]
actually in a sweep, you wouldnt even get to Miller or Arroyo. it would be Clement, Wells and Wakefield (if Schilling doesnt start)
and i didnt say which "sox" did i?
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Originally posted by sonickteam4:
and i didnt say which "sox" did i?
It's pretty much implied by "swept again" that you meant the Sox who swept them last year.
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Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:
Originally posted by sonickteam4:
and i didnt say which "sox" did i?
It's pretty much implied by "swept again" that you meant the Sox who swept them last year. [/b]
are you assuming?
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Originally posted by sonickteam4:
are you assuming?
Yes, but it's a fair assumption, based on several threads of evidence.
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Originally posted by general grievous:
Originally posted by xcanuck:
NHL Centre Ice! The best $129 you'll spend.
no cable, is there a hockey equivalent to mlb.tv?, i watch all the Cardinals games online [/b]
I just read this. It was in today's news regarding the NHL/Comcast broadcast agreement:
The deal with Comcast goes beyond just television rights. Comcast will bring the NHL Network to cable systems in the United States, and provide on-demand game broadcasts and computer streaming of live games.
You read about it here (http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/news?slug=ap-nhl-espn&prov=ap&type=lgns)
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Originally posted by xcanuck:
I just read this. It was in today's news regarding the NHL/Comcast broadcast agreement:
The deal with Comcast goes beyond just television rights. Comcast will bring the NHL Network to cable systems in the United States, and provide on-demand game broadcasts and computer streaming of live games.
You read about it here (http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/news?slug=ap-nhl-espn&prov=ap&type=lgns)
good news, thanks
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this is a very specific directv question ... but without national cable TV coverage, do you think directv will black out the hockey games that are broadcast on the regional sports networks (channel 600s: foxsportsnet ohio2, etc)? i'm guessing they will if they're still offering the center ice package
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asked and answerered by me.
no, DirecTV will not allow you so watch the hockey games unless you subscribe to Center Ice.
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Is there any word on the fate of the ESPN hockey announcers? Personally, I'd be sad not to hear Gary Thorne on the air. John Davidson would be a good guy to keep around too. Bill Clement is probably okay as long as they don't let him do any Flyers games.
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Originally posted by pip:
I'd be sad not to hear Gary Thorne on the air.
I heard he switched to ABC college football, but I could be mistaken.
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Originally posted by pip:
Is there any word on the fate of the ESPN hockey announcers? Personally, I'd be sad not to hear Gary Thorne on the air. John Davidson would be a good guy to keep around too. Bill Clement is probably okay as long as they don't let him do any Flyers games.
what about the panger!!??
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what if scott hamilton and darren pang teamed up to announce games for the calgary flame(r)s?
hilarity ensues!
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
what about the panger!!??
Just signed a deal to do color commentary for the Phoenix Coyotes this season.
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Good thing I decided to hang on to my autographed Selanne Jersey!
Selanne signs one-year deal with Anaheim
Associated Press
ANAHEIM, Calif. -- Teemu Selanne, the second-leading scorer in Anaheim history, returned to the Mighty Ducks on Monday.
The 35-year-old free agent signed a one-year contract. Selanne, a nine-time All-Star, has averaged 37 goals year in 12 NHL seasons.
"We expect Teemu Selanne to be an impact player for us, both on the ice and in the community," general manager Brian Burke said.
"His skating and goal-scoring ability should fit nicely with our new style of play."
Selanne played in 394 games for the Ducks before being traded to San Jose in 2001 for Jeff Friesen, Steve Shields and future considerations. Anaheim acquired Selanne from Winnipeg in 1996.
Selanne's 482 career points ranks second in franchise history behind Paul Kariya's 669. Selanne is also second with 225 goals to Kariya's 300 and third with 257 assists behind Kariya's 369 and Steve Rucchin's 279.
Since entering the league with Winnipeg in 1992, he has 452 goals. Only Jaromir Jagr (478) has scored more.
Selanne won the 1999 Maurice "Rocket" Richard Trophy, given to the leagues top goal scorer, as well as the 1993 Calder Memorial Trophy, given to the league's top rookie. He has twice been named a first-team NHL All-Star and twice a second-team All-Star (1998, 1999).