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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: Yank on June 26, 2003, 02:14:00 am
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http://www.sunspot.net/technology/bal-piracy0625,0,2320112.story?coll=bal-home-headlines (http://www.sunspot.net/technology/bal-piracy0625,0,2320112.story?coll=bal-home-headlines)
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The RIAA said its lawyers will file lawsuits initially against people with the largest collections of music files they can find online. U.S. copyright laws allow for damages of $750 to $150,000 for each song offered illegally on a person's computer , but Sherman said the RIAA will be open to settlement proposals from defendants.
this should read open and say ahh... and oh by the way empty your bank account and start from scratch.
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So I had this weird thought this morning.
IF (and I do mean if) the RIAA cared about artists, they would be voicing more concern about the mega-mergers which are booting hundreds of artists off of lable rosters, rather than downloading which many artists support.
Obviously, they aren't out to help the artists in any way shape or form, but I thought this was funny.
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Now I'm not offering any legal advice, but if I were a file trader, not saying that I am, this is what I've "heard" works.
Don't Delete, just move the majority of your files to a non-shared folder, then you aren't offering "substantial" files.
Don't leave your file trading software on all the time. Sing-on, get what you need, then sign off. And MOVE YOUR FILE when you're done downloading it to the non-shared folder.
Let the overseas file traders take the risk - the RIAAA does not yet have standing to go after non-American file traders. That's why they've stopped going after the software makers - they aren't American.
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i was wondering about riaa overseas reach... and notice it's never mentioned in these news stories that they aren't going after overseas file sharers.
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File sharer's my arse...you're all nothing but a bunch of thieves....if I go into Tower and decide to nick a cd and get caught I'll just tell them I'm "sharing" it!
Hope you all rot in jail and get your arses reemed every day by some huge black dude called Tyrone!
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Another weird thought. If the RIAA wants to improve business, is it really in their best interest to prosecute their customers?
Hmm, a great many of the "theives" are college students who don't have the money to begin with. You think you're going to win your way into their hearts by suing them for all the money that they don't have?
The thing is, there are really 3 types of consumers:
a) avid music fans mainly younger folk who will often buy the music if they really like it, but generally need a chance to hear it.
b) middle of the road music fan who'll buy the new eminem if there's a free DVD to entice them
c) housewives who bought a copy of Beatles #1, or maybe got it for Christmas
(c) won't give you much business, and (b) can generally be roped in with incientive. the industry is making no real attempt to appeal to (a) which is why their losing ground. They shouldn't be scolding, they should be inovating. But it ain't gonna happen.
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Originally posted by mankie:
File sharer's my arse...you're all nothing but a bunch of thieves....if I go into Tower and decide to nick a cd and get caught I'll just tell them I'm "sharing" it!
Hope you all rot in jail and get your arses reemed every day by some huge black dude called Tyrone!
Now don't be bitter because it's technology and you wouldn't have the slightest idea on how to do it.
Ask your kids, maybe they'll show you.
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Originally posted by mankie:
File sharer's my arse...you're all nothing but a bunch of thieves....if I go into Tower and decide to nick a cd and get caught I'll just tell them I'm "sharing" it!
Hope you all rot in jail and get your arses reemed every day by some huge black dude called Tyrone!
Ha.
I've stopped using file sharing, but I often used to use it to hear arists whose music I could never hear otherwise without buying the album. Nothing like working at a college radio station, and being able to hear most new cds a month before they hit the stores without breaking any laws.
And personally, I think Towers prices are an affront. But sadly they often have the best selection. How unfair.
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Bitch. Piss. Moan. Complain.
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Originally posted by mjnova:
And personally, I think Towers prices are an affront. But sadly they often have the best selection. How unfair.
Tower has the best selection on what planet?
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Originally posted by mjnova:
Hmm, a great many of the "theives" are college students who don't have the money to begin with. You think you're going to win your way into their hearts by suing them for all the money that they don't have?
I can't afford to buy a plasma screen tv so I think I'll just go and "share" one from Myer Emco...whaddyathink?
If you can't afford to buy a fucking $20 cd maybe it's time to get off your lazy arse and go flip burgers.
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Originally posted by jadetree:
Originally posted by mjnova:
And personally, I think Towers prices are an affront. But sadly they often have the best selection. How unfair.
Tower has the best selection on what planet? [/b]
I mean compared to chains. Compared to real record store and it's no contest. But say tower v. boarders v. best buy v. fye, you have the best chance of finding something at tower, I've found.
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All this is doing, is making us more creative. I mean, even when I was on Napster, I didn't share ALL of my files. I would share a few , and use chat rooms and instant messaging to check out peoples songs, and THEN I would trade kind of.
internet chat relay (www.mirc.com) is the best way I get music. But you have to kind of know people in there. If people did that, then the only way to catch people is to have internet "informants" who pretended to be traders and then would catch you that way, kind of like the war on drugs, and see how that worked?
Besides, who really uses freakin Kazaa? all you get are clipped/misnamed files for Linkin Park songs....its crap anyway, RIAA will be so busy suing people who DL that crap, they'll never get to the casual trader.
That said, I only download stuff to hear new music, but i never decline to buy something because "i can just download it"
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Originally posted by mjnova:
I mean compared to chains. Compared to real record store and it's no contest. But say tower v. boarders v. best buy v. fye, you have the best chance of finding something at tower, I've found.
uhhh, you are aware that tower is a chain too, and that they are part of the settlement regarding manipulation of cd prices, as posted by smackie in another thread.
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Why not just go to the various used cd places...much cheaper and it's great feeling when you find a cd you've been wanting for ages and only pay about $7 for it.
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
Originally posted by mjnova:
I mean compared to chains. Compared to real record store and it's no contest. But say tower v. boarders v. best buy v. fye, you have the best chance of finding something at tower, I've found.
uhhh, you are aware that tower is a chain too, and that they are part of the settlement regarding manipulation of cd prices, as posted by smackie in another thread. [/b]
Yes. That's my point. their prices are expensive and compared to chains (of which they are a subset) their selection is good. I'm not putting tower in the same league as say, Amoeba Music.
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Originally posted by mankie:
Why not just go to the various used cd places...much cheaper and it's great feeling when you find a cd you've been wanting for ages and only pay about $7 for it.
My computer is pretty much knackered and I don't do any downloading at all....but I have in the past. I think most people would argue that downloading in the best way to hear new music Mankie. You can download two or three songs by a band, and if you like it, go out and buy the commerical cd. Since radio is a joke nowadays, it's hard to just go out and buy music on word of mouth and reviews. If you couldn't download, most of us would be complaining that there is no good music out anymore! Sound familiar?
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Originally posted by Yank:
My computer is pretty much knackered and I don't do any downloading at all....but I have in the past. I think most people would argue that downloading in the best way to hear new music Mankie. You can download two or three songs by a band, and if you like it, go out and buy the commerical cd. Since radio is a joke nowadays, it's hard to just go out and buy music on word of mouth and reviews. If you couldn't download, most of us would be complaining that there is no good music out anymore! Sound familiar? [/b]
Your point is well taken..BUT! There must be a way for the Bill Gates of the world to figure out how you can download music but as soon as it's been played it's erased and cannot be burned onto a cd.
I just think it's simply out and out stealing and wrong so something must be done about it. It's the same thing as getting a concert ticket and printing it over and over to give it to your mates so they get in a show for free.
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I don't think it's much different from when you and I were kids and borrowing a mates album and making a cassette copy of it, or taping songs from the radio. The industry has created this problem promoting shit bands and artists and charging outrageous prices in return. A cassette costs more to manufacture than a cd but a cd costs more than the cassette. Why is that? The record industry can't fool all of the people all of the time! For my £12, the band deserves most of it and not just a rotten quid.
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They've done that as well. And that just creates a challenge for some computer whiz kid to overcome...
Originally posted by mankie:
Your point is well taken..BUT! There must be a way for the Bill Gates of the world to figure out how you can download music but as soon as it's been played it's erased and cannot be burned onto a cd.
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Another point that is not mentioned here is that many of the files that are traded are NOT available for purchase. Not in record stores, new or used, not on ebay, not through the record companies nor even the artists. How can sharing this sort of file be hurting sales or the artists? When it comes down to it, it is a way of keeping an artist and a culture alive. Some of it is out of print while some was never even in print. Also, though most are music files, not all files that are shared are music files. This will impact more than just those who are not willing to actually buy an available CD or record.
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Originally posted by Yank:
I don't think it's much different from when you and I were kids and borrowing a mates album and making a cassette copy of it, or taping songs from the radio.
At least the artist sold one album to be taped from...Actually I never really did that either because my cassette recorder was shite and my older sister would never let me borrow hers, the cow! I liked to have the actual record anyway so had a newspaper round to buy them..and my footie tickets of course.
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well, tower is going under anyway. and i got an amoeba magnet on my fridge!
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Originally posted by Jaguär:
Another point that is not mentioned here is that many of the files that are traded are NOT available for purchase. Not in record stores, new or used, not on ebay, not through the record companies nor even the artists. How can sharing this sort of file be hurting sales or the artists? When it comes down to it, it is a way of keeping an artist and a culture alive. Some of it is out of print while some was never even in print. Also, though most are music files, not all files that are shared are music files. This will impact more than just those who are not willing to actually buy an available CD or record.
The RIAAA still views that as a copyright infringement (those are essentiall bootlegs and those have always been illegal to both record and trade).
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Do they have Virgin Records anywhere in the states? They always had a great selection. HMV wasn't too bad either....wasn't there a HMV in G'towne one time?
By the way, for you college pukes...is it "an HMV" because the letter H is pronounced with a vowel, or is it "a HMV" because the letter H is not a vowel?
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Well, there's one college puke that's a lawyer and keeps adding an extra A at the end of RIAA. So, even we can't spell things correctly...
I've always seen "an" used before "h. Oh, and it's spelled Georgetown you pommie
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This might be a first, I'm not editing my post...
I just realized.. you don't buy "an" house. You buy "a" house. So my rule is flawed. I guess if it's a soft "h" you would use "an".
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by Jaguär:
Another point that is not mentioned here is that many of the files that are traded are NOT available for purchase. Not in record stores, new or used, not on ebay, not through the record companies nor even the artists. How can sharing this sort of file be hurting sales or the artists? When it comes down to it, it is a way of keeping an artist and a culture alive. Some of it is out of print while some was never even in print. Also, though most are music files, not all files that are shared are music files. This will impact more than just those who are not willing to actually buy an available CD or record.
The RIAAA still views that as a copyright infringement (those are essentiall bootlegs and those have always been illegal to both record and trade). [/b]
And not all files that are not blatant burns are bootlegs.
For instance, what about the artist who willing makes his or her music available to the downloading public and even encourages it? Some of them use this method of free advertising. They can't afford the advertising agents and such and it gets their work out and possibly establishing a fan base. Lord knows the Clear Craps and the like won't do shit to promote them!
I know the bean counters and the lawyers all want their cake but too often those are the very people who kill a culture. Look at all the Beatle documentation that would be lost if those such as the RIAA had their way with every tiny thing.
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Originally posted by thirsty moore:
This might be a first, I'm not editing my post...
I just realized.. you don't buy "an" house. You buy "a" house. So my rule is flawed. I guess if it's a soft "h" you would use "an".
Ah zank-yoo glass hopper...yoo so wize!
(I'm not grabbing your pebbles though)
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Originally posted by Jaguär:
And not all files that are not blatant burns are bootlegs.
For instance, what about the artist who willing makes his or her music available to the downloading public and even encourages it? Some of them use this method of free advertising. They can't afford the advertising agents and such and it gets their work out and possibly establishing a fan base. Lord knows the Clear Craps and the like won't do shit to promote them!
I know the bean counters and the lawyers all want their cake but too often those are the very people who kill a culture. Look at all the Beatle documentation that would be lost if those such as the RIAA had their way with every tiny thing.
I'm not saying they're right, but their arguments have been convincing to the courts.
But lets not kid ourselves - the VAST majority of files traded are not those that the artists have made available for free download.
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Originally posted by mankie:
[QB] Do they have Virgin Records anywhere in the states? They always had a great selection.
i know there is one in san francisco. i would imagine that there would be one in la, new york and maybe chicago.
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
Originally posted by mankie:
[QB] Do they have Virgin Records anywhere in the states? They always had a great selection.
new york[/b]
Broadway and 45th. Just got a free British Sampler CD this weekend.
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Originally posted by mankie:
Do they have Virgin Records anywhere in the states?
Here's a list:
ARIZONA
Phoenix
CALIFORNIA
Anaheim (howaboutthat?)
Burbank
Costa Mesa
Los Angeles
Ontario
Sacramento
San Francisco
COLORADO
Denver
FLORIDA
Miami
Orlando
ILLINOIS
Chicago
LOUISIANA
New Orleans
MASSACHUSETTS
Boston
NEVADA
Las Vegas
NEW YORK
Long Island
Times Square
Union Square
OHIO
Columbus
TEXAS
Grapevine Mills
Mockingbird Station
UTAH
Salt Lake City
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Virgin (http://www.virginmegamagazine.com/default.asp?p=6) Megastore locations in the North America.
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Okay Smackie, see what a Sony Vaio can do! :D
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http://www.nme.com/news/105431.htm (http://www.nme.com/news/105431.htm)
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Originally posted by thirsty moore:
This might be a first, I'm not editing my post...
I just realized.. you don't buy "an" house. You buy "a" house. So my rule is flawed. I guess if it's a soft "h" you would use "an".
But you'd say "flipping burgers is an honest living." Yeah, this H thing makes no sense at all. I would've said go with "an"
By the by, re: downloading. I don't do it because I have a dial up at home, plus it's a non-Kazaa accessible Mac. But I have downloaded a few songs at work -- acoustic versions or covers not available anywhere else, but some overly devoted techie converted to an MP3. Awesome.
I still buy lots of music, even with my fancy CD burner and iTunes. And I always will buy music, but it's the CD prices that are the problem. It's out of bounds for CDs to be more than $10 or $11. Thank god for DCCD, but sometimes I do want the new Buzzcocks album when it comes out....
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Originally posted by bags:
But you'd say "flipping burgers is an honest living." Yeah, this H thing makes no sense at all. I would've said go with "an"
It would drive you nuts to work for me. It's the sound that counts, not the letter.
Use the article, "a" before words that start with a consonant sound. Use the article, "an" before words that start with a vowel sound. And before you jump down my throat with exceptions, there's an exception to every rule in grammar - I am well aware that this rule is not steadfast.
However, if someone wants to take some time to explain when you use "the" (pronounced thu) and "the" (pronounced "thee") in speach, I'm willing to listen.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by bags:
But you'd say "flipping burgers is an honest living." Yeah, this H thing makes no sense at all. I would've said go with "an"
It would drive you nuts to work for me. It's the sound that counts, not the letter.
Use the article, "a" before words that start with a consonant sound. Use the article, "an" before words that start with a vowel sound. And before you jump down my throat with exceptions, there's an exception to every rule in grammar - I am well aware that this rule is not steadfast.
However, if someone wants to take some time to explain when you use "the" (pronounced thu) and "the" (pronounced "thee") in speach, I'm willing to listen. [/b]
Vansmack, trust me, I'm a grammar NUT. Here's an interesting thought -- which would you use before "huge." Those poor schmoes who say huge without the "H" sound are stuck with "a yuge can of woop ass."
I learned about the two pronunciations of "the" once as well; I was doing a reading at a ceremony. Alas, I can't remember if this is it exactly (with no exceptions), but it also has to do with the beginning sound of the following word -- I think it's "thee" when the next word starts with a vowel sound. So you don't get caught saying "tha ah...." and sounding like Sly Stallone. And yes, I know that was actually a sentence fragment!
;)
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Originally posted by bags:
Vansmack, trust me, I'm a grammar NUT. Here's an interesting thought -- which would you use before "huge."
Your inability to properly annunciate a word is no excuse. The article "a" is used before "huge" at all times regardless of whether you are from New York/New Jersey/Philly. Sorry, no exceptions.
As for "the" - the rule is usually the vowel/consonant thing again, but that rule is less steadfast.