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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: jardison on July 26, 2005, 08:32:00 am
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I interested in any reviews of last night's show.
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me too.
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it was absolutely sick. harper and the band played for 3 hours and brought the house down. One of the top three shows i have seen at 930
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hope they can rebuild in time for the New York Dolls show... Is Bob available?
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3 hours? thats seems a little long.....
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actually, they played for close to three and a half hours. it wouldn't end and made those interminable "everybody get on stage and sing along to give up the funk" jams at the end of p-funk shows seem kind of quick and painless in comparison.
also, ben harper should NOT do solo acoustic sets. his fingerpicking sucks and his songs aren't tailored for that format.
i'll concede that he's a good lap slide player, and the first song they played was actually quite good and made me rethink how i generally feel about ben harper (the two previous shows i saw left me bored and annoyed). then they proceeded to play roughly 190 minutes of lame happy hippie jams, interspersed with ineffectual solo acoustic love songs.
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What were the other two?
Originally posted by terpfan:
it was absolutely sick. harper and the band played for 3 hours and brought the house down. One of the top three shows i have seen at 930
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sounds like i may have been disappointed then. i like his CDs and when i heard him live at Coachella, he seemed to be rocking out quite a bit. he even stood up for a good portion of the set. (some people around me were surprised he stood up at all!) perhaps he changed his tempo for the Coachella crowd. (hes probably not normally sandwiched between Queens of the Stone age and the Beastie Boys)
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Originally posted by sonickteam4:
(hes probably not normally sandwiched between Queens of the Stone age and the Beastie Boys)
:eek:
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What were the other two?
rusted root from a couple of years ago and STS9
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Originally posted by sonickteam4:
sounds like i may have been disappointed then. i like his CDs and when i heard him live at Coachella, he seemed to be rocking out quite a bit. he even stood up for a good portion of the set.
He rocked out a good bit and stood up except for the lap steel numbers and his solo set. He did about 8 solo acoustic songs between the full band sets. I'm more a fan of his rocking stuff and left very satisfied. I'll confirm it was 3+ hours. Very good show.
Lots of reworking of old songs and Charlie Musselwhite on the harmonica was a nice touch too. That old guy can rock.
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Phenomenal show with nearly 3 1/2 hours of music. The only annoying thing was people in the crowd showing NO RESPECT by speaking and shouting, especially during the acoustic songs. And those of you with video/phone cameras...the signs out front clearly state NO RECORDING. Why ruin everything for the rest of us?!?
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he has been standing up a lot the last couple of years. i've been disappointed with the lack of slide playing, but last night, i think he did a good balance of both, as opposed to the tour a couple of years ago.
i almost didn't go to the show as i wasn't really happy the last time they toured, but i'm glad i did go to this one. the new songs are alright, especially dressed in black which i think is actually pretty good, get it like you like it sucks though.
Setlist -
set [1]:
â?¢ God Fearing Man
â?¢ Ground On Down
â?¢ Jah Work
â?¢ Brown Eyed Blues
â?¢ Wicked Man
â?¢ Everything
â?¢ Burn One Down
â?¢ She's Only Happy In The Sun
â?¢ Breakin' Down
â?¢ Temporary Remedy
â?¢ Please Bleed
â?¢ Amen Omen
â?¢ Where Could I Go
â?¢ How Many Miles Must We March?
enc [1]:
â?¢ Another Lonely Day
â?¢ Widow Of A Living Man
â?¢ Number Three
â?¢ Roses From My Friends
â?¢ I Shall Not Walk Alone
â?¢ Walk Away
â?¢ There Will Be A Light
â?¢ When It's Good
â?¢ Pleasure And Pain
enc [2]:
â?¢ Steal My Kisses/Pressure Drop
â?¢ Get It Like You Like It
â?¢ Homeless Child
â?¢ Dressed In Black
â?¢ Gather Round The Stone
â?¢ The Woman In You
â?¢ Ain't Too Proud To Beg
â?¢ With My Own Two Hands/War
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It was an absolutely great show. The total playing time of the show was 4 hours. The opener's set was 40 min, followed by Ben's 3 hr. 20 min. set (drummer for band confirmed the time after the show). It wasn't the best Harper show I've seen (that was probably Const. Hall a couple of years ago) but it was still great. I'm more of a fan of his older stuff, but was pleased with the combination of songs, and when they were played. It was a hell of a time.
I completely disagree with the person above talking about his solo acoustic work. I find all his playing awe inspiring. And thought the solo set he did was a very nice touch. This is especially evident in the two-disc LIVE FROM MARS. I just wished he would have played Faded/Whole Lotta Love.
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Originally posted by hitman:
I just wished he would have played Faded/Whole Lotta Love.
I was hoping for the same thing. It seemed to be in his sets pretty frequently a couple of years ago and if ever have heard it live it's pretty unreal.
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I had to leave at the 2 1/2 hour mark. Sorry to see I missed The Woman in You. For the first time seeing him, I was blown away. I did think the 8 song acoustic set was a bit much though. I wish I had seen more of the full band before I left.
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Every Harper show I've been too has had a solo acoustic element. For those complaining, I guess it was their first time at a BH show. Luckily for them, this solo acoustic stint wasn't as long as the one he did at Const. Hall years ago.
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Yes, I said it was my first time. I just think the man has too much talent to devolve into the folk-acoustic-solo mode that millions of others do (like Tim Freund (sp?) who just sounds like Chris Collingwood, or is it the other way around? Which came first?)
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Originally posted by Summerteeth:
I just think the man has too much talent to devolve into the folk-acoustic-solo mode that millions of others do
The solo acoustic stuff has been part of his music from day one. How long have you been listening to him?
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Originally posted by Dave Stoller:
Originally posted by Summerteeth:
I just think the man has too much talent to devolve into the folk-acoustic-solo mode that millions of others do
The solo acoustic stuff has been part of his music from day one. How long have you been listening to him? [/b]
A couple years. Besides, listening to one artist doesn't mean I have to enjoy all that artist does. Clearly, you do. Have at it.
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Originally posted by Summerteeth:
Originally posted by Dave Stoller:
Originally posted by Summerteeth:
I just think the man has too much talent to devolve into the folk-acoustic-solo mode that millions of others do
The solo acoustic stuff has been part of his music from day one. How long have you been listening to him? [/b]
A couple years. Besides, listening to one artist doesn't mean I have to enjoy all that artist does. Clearly, you do. Have at it. [/b]
Of course you don't have to like everything by the artist. But that point is totally irrelevent to your original statement, which is implying that he is "devolving" into the solo accoustic thing. The point I was making is, he has always done this, so there is no devolution going on.
If he didn't play a single acoustic song during his set, I'd probably enjoy it more. But that's beside the point too.
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I don't know if I can say that I like the solo acoustic stuff as much as the rocking stuff. But I do enjoy it, except for the drunk frat boys and sorority chicks yelling during poignant lyrics. God how I hate that shit.
Let alone, I am much more of a fan of his stuff pre Diamonds on the Inside. I just didn't think that album held a flame compared to the others. It seemed like he hit his stride with Fight for Your Mind and Will to Live. I enjoyed Burn to Shine but thought the previous two albums were much better. Now I think his music is going into too many different directions, that no real one sounds complete.
This is just my personal tastes and opinions, just like everyone else. Just like I preferred the Innocent Criminals that played on Fight for Your Mind through to Burn to Shine. Juan Nelson the bassist is the only one left. David Leach used to be on percussion with Dean Butterworth on drums. I just enjoyed that group a lot more.
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This is just getting silly, so respond if you want, but this is my last comment.
Hitman gets what I'm saying I think. I never said he was "devolving" into acoustic mode. I think its a waste for him to split his stage time between eclectic genres with the full band and solo acoustic stuff that sounds like a grown man who never grew past his very first songs written as a 15-year-old. I acknowledge it has always been part of his repetoire, but it is an unfortunate part nevertheless.
Originally posted by Dave Stoller:
Originally posted by Summerteeth:
Originally posted by Dave Stoller:
Originally posted by Summerteeth:
I just think the man has too much talent to devolve into the folk-acoustic-solo mode that millions of others do
The solo acoustic stuff has been part of his music from day one. How long have you been listening to him? [/b]
A couple years. Besides, listening to one artist doesn't mean I have to enjoy all that artist does. Clearly, you do. Have at it. [/b]
Of course you don't have to like everything by the artist. But that point is totally irrelevent to your original statement, which is implying that he is "devolving" into the solo accoustic thing. The point I was making is, he has always done this, so there is no devolution going on.
If he didn't play a single acoustic song during his set, I'd probably enjoy it more. But that's beside the point too. [/b]
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Originally posted by Summerteeth:
This is just getting silly, so respond if you want, but this is my last comment.
Hitman gets what I'm saying I think. I never said he was "devolving" into acoustic mode. I think its a waste for him to split his stage time between eclectic genres with the full band and solo acoustic stuff that, personally, can be found in any corner coffee shop. I acknowledge it has always been part of his repetoire, but it is an unfortunate part nevertheless.
Originally posted by Dave Stoller:
Originally posted by Summerteeth:
Originally posted by Dave Stoller:
Originally posted by Summerteeth:
I just think the man has too much talent to devolve into the folk-acoustic-solo mode that millions of others do
The solo acoustic stuff has been part of his music from day one. How long have you been listening to him? [/b]
A couple years. Besides, listening to one artist doesn't mean I have to enjoy all that artist does. Clearly, you do. Have at it. [/b]
Of course you don't have to like everything by the artist. But that point is totally irrelevent to your original statement, which is implying that he is "devolving" into the solo accoustic thing. The point I was making is, he has always done this, so there is no devolution going on.
If he didn't play a single acoustic song during his set, I'd probably enjoy it more. But that's beside the point too. [/b]
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Originally posted by Summerteeth:
Originally posted by Summerteeth:
This is just getting silly, so respond if you want, but this is my last comment.
Hitman gets what I'm saying I think. I never said he was "devolving" into acoustic mode. I think its a waste for him to split his stage time between eclectic genres with the full band and solo acoustic stuff that can be found in any corner coffee shop. I acknowledge it has always been part of his repetoire, but it is an unfortunate part nevertheless.
Originally posted by Dave Stoller:
Originally posted by Summerteeth:
Originally posted by Dave Stoller:
Originally posted by Summerteeth:
I just think the man has too much talent to devolve into the folk-acoustic-solo mode that millions of others do
The solo acoustic stuff has been part of his music from day one. How long have you been listening to him? [/b]
A couple years. Besides, listening to one artist doesn't mean I have to enjoy all that artist does. Clearly, you do. Have at it. [/b]
Of course you don't have to like everything by the artist. But that point is totally irrelevent to your original statement, which is implying that he is "devolving" into the solo accoustic thing. The point I was making is, he has always done this, so there is no devolution going on.
If he didn't play a single acoustic song during his set, I'd probably enjoy it more. But that's beside the point too. [/b]
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Originally posted by hitman:
I don't know if I can say that I like the solo acoustic stuff as much as the rocking stuff. But I do enjoy it, except for the drunk frat boys and sorority chicks yelling during poignant lyrics. God how I hate that shit.
Let alone, I am much more of a fan of his stuff pre Diamonds on the Inside. I just didn't think that album held a flame compared to the others. It seemed like he hit his stride with Fight for Your Mind and Will to Live. I enjoyed Burn to Shine but thought the previous two albums were much better. Now I think his music is going into too many different directions, that no real one sounds complete.
This is just my personal tastes and opinions, just like everyone else. Just like I preferred the Innocent Criminals that played on Fight for Your Mind through to Burn to Shine. Juan Nelson the bassist is the only one left. David Leach used to be on percussion with Dean Butterworth on drums. I just enjoyed that group a lot more.
sad thing was that it wasn't really drunk frat boys yelling during the acoustic set the loudest (the guy that kept yelling "what's up ben harper!!!" and his buddy were in front of me), these guys were probably 30-35 acting like drunken idiots - they were waiting for "steal my kisses" (2 songs i hope he stops playing are "smk" and "burn one down"). then of course, once it gets started others answer back with their own woohoo. i just don't get it.
i'm with you, not a big fan of doti, but enjoy the previous albums. btw, the innocent criminals playing now were the ones from fight for your mind. dean and david leach didn't join til the will to live, then they left and were replaced by leon and oliver for doti, and that's what the line-up has been like with a keyboard player and guitar player added (marc ford being one of the guitar players, from late 2003 to 2004).
the thing about the acoustic set is, if he doesn't do it, people are gonna complain who are fans of the less rocking songs, which is quite a lot especially the older fans, many look forward to it. i'm a fan of both and don't mind the break.
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Which fraternities allow 35 year olds admittance?
Originally posted by igor:
Originally posted by hitman:
I don't know if I can say that I like the solo acoustic stuff as much as the rocking stuff. But I do enjoy it, except for the drunk frat boys and sorority chicks yelling during poignant lyrics. God how I hate that shit.
Let alone, I am much more of a fan of his stuff pre Diamonds on the Inside. I just didn't think that album held a flame compared to the others. It seemed like he hit his stride with Fight for Your Mind and Will to Live. I enjoyed Burn to Shine but thought the previous two albums were much better. Now I think his music is going into too many different directions, that no real one sounds complete.
This is just my personal tastes and opinions, just like everyone else. Just like I preferred the Innocent Criminals that played on Fight for Your Mind through to Burn to Shine. Juan Nelson the bassist is the only one left. David Leach used to be on percussion with Dean Butterworth on drums. I just enjoyed that group a lot more.
sad thing was that it wasn't really drunk frat boys yelling during the acoustic set the loudest (the guy that kept yelling "what's up ben harper!!!" and his buddy were in front of me), these guys were probably 30-35 acting like drunken idiots - they were waiting for "steal my kisses" (2 songs i hope he stops playing are "smk" and "burn one down"). then of course, once it gets started others answer back with their own woohoo. i just don't get it.
i'm with you, not a big fan of doti, but enjoy the previous albums. btw, the innocent criminals playing now were the ones from fight for your mind. dean and david leach didn't join til the will to live, then they left and were replaced by leon and oliver for doti, and that's what the line-up has been like with a keyboard player and guitar player added (marc ford being one of the guitar players, from late 2003 to 2004).
the thing about the acoustic set is, if he doesn't do it, people are gonna complain who are fans of the less rocking songs, which is quite a lot especially the older fans, many look forward to it. i'm a fan of both and don't mind the break. [/b]
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer:
Which fraternities allow 35 year olds admittance?
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer:
Which fraternities allow 35 year olds admittance?
Sorry Rhett -- It's probably too late for you.
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Originally posted by igor:
Originally posted by hitman:
I don't know if I can say that I like the solo acoustic stuff as much as the rocking stuff. But I do enjoy it, except for the drunk frat boys and sorority chicks yelling during poignant lyrics. God how I hate that shit.
Let alone, I am much more of a fan of his stuff pre Diamonds on the Inside. I just didn't think that album held a flame compared to the others. It seemed like he hit his stride with Fight for Your Mind and Will to Live. I enjoyed Burn to Shine but thought the previous two albums were much better. Now I think his music is going into too many different directions, that no real one sounds complete.
This is just my personal tastes and opinions, just like everyone else. Just like I preferred the Innocent Criminals that played on Fight for Your Mind through to Burn to Shine. Juan Nelson the bassist is the only one left. David Leach used to be on percussion with Dean Butterworth on drums. I just enjoyed that group a lot more.
sad thing was that it wasn't really drunk frat boys yelling during the acoustic set the loudest (the guy that kept yelling "what's up ben harper!!!" and his buddy were in front of me), these guys were probably 30-35 acting like drunken idiots - they were waiting for "steal my kisses" (2 songs i hope he stops playing are "smk" and "burn one down"). then of course, once it gets started others answer back with their own woohoo. i just don't get it.
i'm with you, not a big fan of doti, but enjoy the previous albums. btw, the innocent criminals playing now were the ones from fight for your mind. dean and david leach didn't join til the will to live, then they left and were replaced by leon and oliver for doti, and that's what the line-up has been like with a keyboard player and guitar player added (marc ford being one of the guitar players, from late 2003 to 2004).
the thing about the acoustic set is, if he doesn't do it, people are gonna complain who are fans of the less rocking songs, which is quite a lot especially the older fans, many look forward to it. i'm a fan of both and don't mind the break. [/b]
The way oliver was talking, he didn't come on until Diamonds. I could see Leon, being that he looks like he has some age on him, but Oliver looks a little young to have played on Fight. Either way, I still enjoyed the lineup more with Leach and Butterworth. Now I think that they have too many people on stage. Some of Ben's playing ends up being drowned out by the rest of them. And with Ben, I don't see the need for another guitar player on stage. But that's just me.