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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: ggw on May 27, 2005, 12:33:00 pm
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"People talk about Eric Clapton. What has he ever done except throw his baby off a fuckin' ledge and write a song about it?"
- Brian Jonestown Massacre frontman Anton Newcombe in the new "Entertainment Weekly"
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completely true statement
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I didn't realize it was murder. :roll:
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Sweet, great publicity for the DC show. Though, i guess i have to be sure everything goes well, don't want Anton not to be happy.
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that is a repulsive thing to say.
i don't know who this anton character is, but the odds of him being fit to breathe in the same room as clapton are low.
if this anton character was any good as a musician, he wouldn't need to generate publicity by saying outrageous things. any no talent fuck can make outrageous statements.
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Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
completely true statement
Many a blues guitarist would argue with that.
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
"People talk about Eric Clapton. What has he ever done except throw his baby off a fuckin' ledge and write a song about it?"
- Brian Jonestown Massacre frontman Anton Newcombe in the new "Entertainment Weekly"
well anton needs a fact checker... but it's does seem to be the song which defines Eric Clapton's career and also Babyface's for that matter for many people. he let it become another monkey on his back.
re: Change the world.
Clapton sang this as a duet with R&B singer Babyface. He played on Clapton's album Pilgrim in 1998.
This was originally recorded by Wynonna Judd earlier in 1996.
This was featured in the John Travolta movie Phenomenon.
Clapton and Babyface performed this at the Grammys in 1997.
This was written by the songwriting team of Tommy Sims, Gordon Kennedy and Wayne Kirkpatrick.
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
well anton needs a fact checker... but it's does seem to be the song which defines Eric Clapton's career and also Babyface's for that matter for many people. he let it become another monkey on his back.
re: Change the world.
Clapton sang this as a duet with R&B singer Babyface. He played on Clapton's album Pilgrim in 1998.
This was originally recorded by Wynonna Judd earlier in 1996.
This was featured in the John Travolta movie Phenomenon.
Clapton and Babyface performed this at the Grammys in 1997.
This was written by the songwriting team of Tommy Sims, Gordon Kennedy and Wayne Kirkpatrick.
isnt he referring to Tears from Heaven, or is that the same song
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
completely true statement
Many a blues guitarist would argue with that. [/b]
well, my statement was an agreement with hyperbole. i know eric is a talented player, and i like cream, but his solo stuff is pretty uninteresting unless he's playing someone else's songs. except tears in heaven, which is mostly interesting because he threw his kid off a balacony (exagerating again)
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ooh there is another song by that name... don't know then without some research
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Originally posted by general grievous:
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
well anton needs a fact checker... but it's does seem to be the song which defines Eric Clapton's career and also Babyface's for that matter for many people. he let it become another monkey on his back.
re: Change the world.
Clapton sang this as a duet with R&B singer Babyface. He played on Clapton's album Pilgrim in 1998.
This was originally recorded by Wynonna Judd earlier in 1996.
This was featured in the John Travolta movie Phenomenon.
Clapton and Babyface performed this at the Grammys in 1997.
This was written by the songwriting team of Tommy Sims, Gordon Kennedy and Wayne Kirkpatrick.
isnt he referring to Tears from Heaven, or is that the same song [/b]
yeah, i thought it was tears in heaven too.
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that reminds me...
*adds Dig! to netflix queue*
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It's just an outrageous statement, and from what I know about BJM, it's par for the course. They're out there. They beat each other up. They have violent outbursts. They are verbally abusive. Etc. etc. etc. It is a pretty awful thing to say, and yet because of its shock value I laughed. That doesn't make me agree with him or even condone it. But I can appreciate a rock musician trying to cause a stir. Sometimes when people don't know how to do it through their music, they do it in other ways, which is never as effective or interesting or relevant.
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pollard and bebe are correct (http://www.snopes.com/music/songs/tears.htm)
maybe it's because i find the "change the world" so bland, annoying and over played, basically a coldplay song. and yet it's stuck in my head at the moment....
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in a very colorful way anton is just stating that clapton did serious damage to his legacy with one song...
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Say what you will about Anton,but he is an incredible musician,anybody that takes the time to listen should know that.As for his statement,it is par for the course. He has a habit of making controversial statements. It just so happens his end up in print.There is usually a bit of truth to what he says,no matter how callous it may seem.It 's just Antons view,nothing more,nothing less.I for one find his work to be as good or better than most things I hear today.As for what he says,that's his perogative.Take his statements with as many grains of salt as you see fit.
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how is there "a bit of truth" in that horrible statement? If this is an average thing for him to say, that doesn't make it any better... just the opposite.
I don't like "change the world," either, but EC has a lengthy list of mind-blowing recordings, Cream, Derek & the Dominos, solo, and various other contributions. These cannot be "undone" by any number of bad songs. He is a world class musician and songwriter, an absolute legend for the ages. Clapton is still God. His legacy is beyond dispute.
This other guy is just some asshole.
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noone has asked why entertainment weekly gives a shit about anton or BJM?
um, why? do even 5% of their readers know who he is?
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Originally posted by J'Mal:
how is there "a bit of truth"
Clapton was neglecting his child.The child went out the window and died.Had Clapton not been Clapton he would have probably been prosecuted.
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
noone has asked why entertainment weekly gives a shit about anton or BJM?
um, why? do even 5% of their readers know who he is?
Yeah but 5% of readers of that rag probably do not know who the vice president is.
Who gives a shit about any music? It's just product, right? :roll:
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
noone has asked why entertainment weekly gives a shit about anton or BJM?
It's because all the buzz that Dig is generating.If Anton doesn't implode,he's liable to make a ton of cash and get some much deserved recognition for his musical achievements this year.Lollapalooza and the European dates with BRMC could be a HUGE boost to his fanbase.
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Originally posted by SPARX:
Clapton was neglecting his child.The child went out the window and died.Had Clapton not been Clapton he would have probably been prosecuted.
He wasn't even home.
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Originally posted by Miss MArKiE?:
5% of readers of that rag probably do not know who the vice president is.
I think that's a pretty generous estimate.
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I wonder if 5% of internet users have trouble saying what they mean.
I should have said, probably only 5% of readers of that rag know who the vice president is.
But I think you knew that is what I meant.
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Originally posted by SPARX:
Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
noone has asked why entertainment weekly gives a shit about anton or BJM?
It's because all the buzz that Dig is generating.If Anton doesn't implode,he's liable to make a ton of cash and get some much deserved recognition for his musical achievements this year.Lollapalooza and the European dates with BRMC could be a HUGE boost to his fanbase. [/b]
and his DC9 show for BigYawn!
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by SPARX:
Clapton was neglecting his child.The child went out the window and died.Had Clapton not been Clapton he would have probably been prosecuted.
He wasn't even home. [/b]
Call me crazy but most parents I know do what is called "child proofing" their home against such accidents.I do not want to get into a debate on blame as it was a terrible tragedy but nonetheless it was a preventable death.53 floors up for crying out loud,and then to capitalize on it by releasing the single.Smells bad to me,but again just my opinion.Did he donate any proceeds from it?I'm curious to see any relevent links to the exact circumstances surrounding the whole ordeal.I admit to not following it in the press at the time.Thanks.
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Originally posted by redsock:
Originally posted by SPARX:
Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
noone has asked why entertainment weekly gives a shit about anton or BJM?
It's because all the buzz that Dig is generating.If Anton doesn't implode,he's liable to make a ton of cash and get some much deserved recognition for his musical achievements this year.Lollapalooza and the European dates with BRMC could be a HUGE boost to his fanbase. [/b]
and his DC9 show for BigYawn! [/b]
Fantastic score for you guys!On a good day he's a very polite,witty,intelligent guy,beleieve it or not.Let's hope that's the Anton you get when he hits town.
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This thread reminds me of a story from the Onion:
Weird Al Honors Parents' Memory With 'Tears In Heaven' Parody
FALLBROOK, CAâ??Zany, mourning entertainer "Weird Al" Yankovic has parodied Eric Clapton's eulogy song "Tears In Heaven" in loving tribute to his parents, who recently died of carbon-monoxide poisoning in their San Diego home, a spokesman for Yankovic said Monday.
"Al's hurting deeply right now, and this is his way of honoring Nick and Mary," Karl Tuft said of the song in which a subdued Yankovic sings, "First you lit some flames / Then the smoke stopped your breathin' / Carbon mono's th'way you went... / Up to heaven" over a somber, minor-key accordion melody.
Tuft added that the best way for Yankovic to give voice to his pain and loss was by altering the voice of Clapton's pain and loss.
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the best parody of "tears in heaven" was that mr. show skit which also featured the willips brighton classic, "mouthful of sores."
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Anton's reply to all the hoopla regarding the EW interview: "they do seem upset.
i mean,i placed a tv dinner infront of
the screen and presto:
i was done in about 4 minutes".
http://www.velvetrope.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB1&Number=615400&\ (http://www.velvetrope.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB1&Number=615400&\)
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For more information about the Brian Jonestown Massacre or the Committee to Keep
Music Evil please feel free to visit : http://www.brianjonestownmassacre.com (http://www.brianjonestownmassacre.com) -
http://www.bomp.com (http://www.bomp.com) . or to sample our music (free mp3's stupid):
http://www.brianjonestownmassacre.com/mp3.php (http://www.brianjonestownmassacre.com/mp3.php)
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Originally posted by SPARX:
Call me crazy but most parents I know do what is called "child proofing" their home against such accidents.I do not want to get into a debate on blame as it was a terrible tragedy but nonetheless it was a preventable death.53 floors up for crying out loud,and then to capitalize on it by releasing the single.Smells bad to me,but again just my opinion.Did he donate any proceeds from it?I'm curious to see any relevent links to the exact circumstances surrounding the whole ordeal.I admit to not following it in the press at the time.Thanks.
Conors mother was having her place cleaned by a housekeeper (Clapton did not live there, I don't believe they were married). The Nanny was playing hide-and-go-seek with Connor while his mother was getting ready to go out (Clapton was coming home to take them to Central Park).
The Nanny was chasing Conor through the Apt as the housecleaner had just opened a window. He/she turned to tell the Nanny that the window was open as Conor ran past and out the open window. He fell ~50 stories to his death.
Clapton was in the elevator going up to the Apt at the time and walked in minutes after it had happened.
He wrote Tears in Heaven as his way of greiving. He let a friend use it for his movie "Rush" and it became a monster hit - he did not intend it or attempt to capatilize on it. He has let it be used for charity on more than one occasion and has performed it at many charity functions. He has written other songs about his son including "The Circus Left Town" about the last day they spent together.
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Here's his photo from a PSA about putting child guards up:
<img src="http://www.geetarz.org/reviews/clapton/window-guard-psa.jpg" alt=" - " />
And my buddy, who is a Clapton die-hard, says that Clpaton rarely plays the song live any longer because he no longer needs to grieve in that manner. When he does play it, it's usually dedicated to somebody or something (the Tsunami victims for example).
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Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
completely true statement
Nope!!! He also shot the sheriff, but he didn't shoot the deputy.