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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: Sir HC on July 28, 2005, 02:47:00 pm
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http://platinumentertainment.us/creamtickets.html (http://platinumentertainment.us/creamtickets.html)
Can I get in on this scam?
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HOLY SHIT
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That isn't far off from what Stones' tickets are going for on eBay, and Cream is a lot rarer a show than the Stones.
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But this is not the e-bay price. So imagine what these would be on e-bay.
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Originally posted by Sir HC:
But this is not the e-bay price. So imagine what these would be on e-bay.
Those are broker prices, so it's essentially the same as eBay prices.
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Originally posted by Sir HC:
But this is not the e-bay price. So imagine what these would be on e-bay.
Those are broker prices, so it's essentially the same as eBay prices. [/b]
i always thought that broker prices were higher than ebay ... because lazy rich people go to broker's, so they can charge these lazy rich folks more than industrious people who create a market price on ebay ... if they're not charging more than ebay prices, then they should
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Cream are one of the few 60s dino acts that I'd like to see, but not if the tickets will be at or near what the Stones are charging.... phooey on baby boomers who only go to three shows a year and can afford to pay those prices
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
i always thought that broker prices were higher than ebay ... because lazy rich people go to broker's, so they can charge these lazy rich folks more than industrious people who create a market price on ebay ... if they're not charging more than ebay prices, then they should
They are roughly the same since brokers often list the stuff on eBay at the same inflated prices. Just look up Stones or McCartney tickets. All the high-priced ones have no bids on them because they are asking $2500-$3000.
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
Cream are one of the few 60s dino acts that I'd like to see, but not if the tickets will be at or near what the Stones are charging.... phooey on baby boomers who only go to three shows a year and can afford to pay those prices
I don't think the shows have even been announced yet, so, in theory, you would still have a chance to get tickets at face value when they go on sale.
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when i first clicked, i thought those were the face values. yikes
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i realize that the face value will be lower, but will be they be $100 or less? above $100 and it's not worth it... would rather see Ginger Baker and Jack Bruce with another less well known guitar player....
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FYI for those of you who want to see Cream live, for some reason, this is a post I got today from another group:
From today's issue of Variety magazine:
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Rhino Home Entertainment is unleashing a series of
musical DVDs this fall. Oct. 4, it will release the
two-disc "Cream Live" May 25 reunion concert at Royal
Albert Hall in London...
"The Ramones Video Box," with never-before-seen live
and behind-the-scenes footage, and the 1977 "It's
Alive" New Year's Eve concert at London's Rainbow
Theater, will hit shelves Sept. 27.
"The Concert for Bangladesh" will bow Oct. 25.
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Related note, also via Variety: Rhino (the record
label) now officially takes the place of Warner
Special Products as the keeper of the Warner Music
vaults (they've been co-owned by WMG for a while now).
So we should see more cool releases from the Warner
Bros. / Reprise / Atlantic / Elektra / Asylum / Atco /
Cotillion etc. etc. etc. group of labels.
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god bless rhino ... that would be a fun place to work ...
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
i realize that the face value will be lower, but will be they be $100 or less? above $100 and it's not worth it... would rather see Ginger Baker and Jack Bruce with another less well known guitar player....
I highly doubt it. Maybe the nosebleed seats will be $89 before service charges.
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Originally posted by edbert:
"The Ramones Video Box," with never-before-seen live
and behind-the-scenes footage, and the 1977 "It's
Alive" New Year's Eve concert at London's Rainbow
Theater, will hit shelves Sept. 27.
<drool>
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
i realize that the face value will be lower, but will be they be $100 or less? above $100 and it's not worth it...
Gotta disagree with you here kosmo. The Cream reunion is easily worth a couple hundred dollars. Especially if it's a handful of shows and not a megatour. I wouldn't count on any tickets being less than $100.
I'd pay Stones prices to see Cream.
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"It's Alive", easily one of the best live records ever recorded. What a show.
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Originally posted by Bombay Chutney:
I'd pay Stones prices to see Cream.
Ditto.
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regardless of the price it would be a last minute ticket purchase anyway... it will be one of those karma shows
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Quite often the front rows are full of industry people who got their tickets for free. I think we got more than a clue as to who might be sitting front and center over in the Sony thread and it's none of us.
Even if they do tour here, it will probably be so far out of my budget that I'd have to miss it. Damn, I'd LOVE to see that show.
The one thing I would be concerned about is Eric's attitude about how he plays his guitar. He has often stated that he won't play the way he use to in the old days because he thinks it's so egotistical. Damn it, Eric! If you're playing with Cream and we're paying that kind of money, you better damn site put every ounce of ego into it! None of that lame-ass crap you've been putting out for the past couple of decades. Show it off!!!
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CASH-RULES-EVERYTHING-AROUND-ME
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Originally posted by Jaguär:
Damn it, Eric! If you're playing with Cream and we're paying that kind of money, you better damn site put every ounce of ego into it! None of that lame-ass crap you've been putting out for the past couple of decades. Show it off!!!
Much as the wimpy last couple of decades stuff has been nice in it's own way, I couldn't agree more with you.
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August 6, 2005
A New Weapon in the Battle Against Concert Ticket Fraud
By BEN SISARIO
The New York times
It is one of the great cat-and-mouse games of modern commerce: the music industry comes up with new ways to thwart ticket scalpers, and the scalpers figure out how to subvert the system.
Switch to print-at-home bar-code tickets? The scalpers buy one ticket and make photocopies. Offer top tickets through fan clubs? They just join the clubs and resell the tickets on eBay.
For its fall tour, Nine Inch Nails is putting into effect a new identity-checking procedure that, though laborious, is the next big weapon against ticket fraud. Fans who order premium tickets through the Spiral, the band's club, will not get them until they are checked in at the door and - after showing ID - escorted directly into the concert, leaving no chance to resell their tickets.
"The most certain action that one can take to ensure that tickets get into the hands of the fan at a fair market value," said Jim Guerinot, the band's manager, "is to make sure the ticket doesn't get into their hands prior to them setting foot in the building. If there's no time to resell the ticket, then there's no resale market."
About 1,000 tickets will be sold this way for each concert in Nine Inch Nails' North American tour, which begins on Sept. 16 in San Diego, Mr. Guerinot said. Another 1,000 for each concert will be sold through auctions on Ticketmaster.com starting Monday. Money bid in excess of face value will be donated to the Innocence Project, a nonprofit legal clinic that does postconviction DNA testing.
Holding premium tickets at the door is not unheard of; the idea was used at some of Bruce Springsteen's recent concerts, where tickets for seats in front were held until shortly before the concert to minimize the secondary market of scalpers. And Ticketmaster has been auctioning small numbers of prime tickets at concerts for about two years.
But the scale of Nine Inch Nails' new endeavor is widely seen as an experimental new step. The number of tickets to be auctioned represents as much as 10 percent of the house at each concert, Ticketmaster said.
"Its success will depend on how it is perceived by the public," said Gary Bongiovanni, the editor of the concert trade magazine Pollstar. "Artists don't want to come across as overtly ripping people off."
Last year, Ticketmaster said, it sold about 5,000 tickets altogether through auctions.
The protections, managers and other executives say, are necessary to ensure that the tickets sold are actually going to the fans. Fan clubs and V.I.P. packages offered through artists' Web sites have become a significant source of income for touring acts. The clubs sell memberships with annual fees (Nine Inch Nails' is $30), and artists can sell special packages at caviar prices. V.I.P. packages for Madonna's tour last year cost $700 a ticket.
But scalpers often sign up for fan clubs to obtain early tickets and then resell them on eBay and elsewhere. "They're the first ones to join," Mr. Bongiovanni said.
Ticket auctions, which have caught on at sporting events, have been entering the concert business slowly, in part because artists and managers have been cautious to adopt the new method. When Ticketmaster announced its plans for ticket auctions two years ago, many critics suggested that it would effectively turn artists and promoters into scalpers themselves, charging whatever the market would bear.
But David Goldberg, Ticketmaster's executive vice president for strategy and business development, said artists were warming up to the auctions. He said charging higher prices for premium seats could help allow prices to fall for other seats - a "dynamic pricing" model that many in the concert business would like to see on a regular basis.
"Artists are probably more cautious at the beginning," Mr. Goldberg said, "but that is true of any new technology. But as people use it more, they are getting more comfortable with it, and I think you'll see more and more of it, especially on the scale that Nine Inch Nails is doing."
Mr. Guerinot, the manager, said the identity-checking plan would require additional personnel at the concerts, who will be paid by proceeds from the fan club.
"It's unbelievably cumbersome," he said. "But we think it's worth doing. At the end of it you can look at your fans and say: 'O.K., guys, you got in. You didn't get elbowed aside.' "
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^ It's all fine and dandy if you don't mind going to huge shows alone. Or maybe you can bring in one person with you?
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At the Springsteen show the good seats were Will Call-only and limited to 2 tickets. They wouldn't hand you your tickets until they put one of those plastic wristbands on you. They then handed you the other wristband to give to whoever you wanted. They didn't escort you in or anything.
It seemed to work. There was one furious guy at the window who wanted the tickets without putting the wristband on. They gave him the choice of taking lesser seats or putting on the wristband. Not a perfect system, but I guess it worked.
I HATE the idea of auctions.