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Title: Marr and the healers
Post by: markie on January 17, 2003, 02:33:00 pm: I wondered who was going to the blackcat on Monday to see this?Personally I think it may well be bad, but I cant help myself. I have to go.
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Post by: Dandy01 on January 17, 2003, 05:13:00 pm: I'm still pondering the idea but I may just end up going!
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Post by: wingelbert humptyback on January 17, 2003, 05:52:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by markie: I wondered who was going to the blackcat on Monday to see this?Personally I think it may well be bad, but I cant help myself. I have to go.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I think Mellowdrone may ended up being very much worth seeing, but I am less enthused about Marr. "Boomslang" is just far too uneventful to possibly turn into an exciting live performance.
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Post by: ggw on January 17, 2003, 05:52:00 pm: I'm firmly undecided
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Post by: markie on January 17, 2003, 06:26:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by ggw: I'm firmly undecided<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I'll buy you a blue water.....
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Post by: walkman on January 17, 2003, 08:13:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by wingelbert humptyback: "Boomslang" is just far too uneventful to possibly turn into an exciting live performance.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Smells like Oasis, minus the reefer. Euhhhgh.
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Post by: kosmo vinyl on January 17, 2003, 11:48:00 pm: i'll probably go... maybe it will sellout out and i'll have an excuse not to go. it speaks volumes that a show with the guitar player from one of the most beloved bands of the 80's didn't sellout instantly. when morrisey shows are filled to brim with nut cases. johnny marr was my guitar hero of the 80's it's a pity he feels the need to sing... anyone up for a preshow confab???
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Post by: poorlulu on January 18, 2003, 12:46:00 am: meet you in the red room bar what time you gonna get there at?and will i get to meet kosmoette?
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Post by: wingelbert humptyback on January 18, 2003, 04:12:00 am: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by walkman: Smells like Oasis, minus the reefer. Euhhhgh.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>That about says it all. Just in case anyone is wondering, I heard there are about 50 tickets left at this point. So I am guessing it'll sell out at shortly...
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Post by: ggw on January 18, 2003, 02:54:00 pm: Spotlight Johnny Marr's Faith in the Healers By Mark Jenkins Special to The Washington Post Friday, January 17, 2003; Page WE06 NOT many rock idols wait until they're 39 to front their first band, but it's not as if Johnny Marr has been goofing off. Just in the last three years, the British guitarist has played, toured, produced or written songs with Oasis, Beck, Neil Finn, Beth Orton and Haven while also making "Boomslang," the first album by Johnny Marr & the Healers. In fact, he's been working overtime ever since he introduced himself to Stephen Patrick Morrissey two decades ago in Manchester, their home town.The result was the Smiths, perhaps the most celebrated cult band of the '80s. When that quartet split after four studio albums, Marr withdrew a bit. He was interested in more "music and performing, and less of a circus," he says by phone from Manchester. "It was the drama and the politics I wanted to avoid."Marr began a long stint as a sideman and a collaborator, first by joining The The, "probably my favorite band in the world at that time. I'd already had a strong friendship with [The The singer-songwriter] Matt Johnson, and I was really knocked out by his albums. So it was totally logical for me to do that. All I wanted to do at that time was play innovative guitar and not really have any pressure of running a group."Along the way, the guitarist also collaborated with the Pretenders, Kirsty MacColl, Bryan Ferry, Talking Heads and many others. But the crucial development, Marr recalls, was Manchester's acid-house explosion. At the peak of the Smiths' success, both he and Morrissey had moved to London. Whereas his former bandmate exiled himself to Spain and then California, Marr was drawn home."I found myself involved in what felt like a revolution in my home town, the musical revolution in Manchester in the late '80s, which was really exciting," he says. "I had been hoping that something like that was going to happen for my generation since the days of punk, because I was a little too young for that."Marr's next songwriting partner was New Order's Bernard Sumner, with whom he founded Electronic, a synth-pop outfit. That project produced three albums and swallowed most of Marr and Sumner's decade. "In the mid-'90s, Bernard and myself were just planted into a recording studio," Marr explains. "We stayed there for a long time. Electronic was working every day, but we did lots of songs that we didn't finish. I've always felt like I've been doing similar kinds of stuff. It's just that some stuff goes out, and some stuff doesn't."In late 1997, while Electronic was still planted, Marr met Zak Starkey, Ringo Starr's son, and the two bonded over a shared love for T. Rex. Two years later, Marr and Starkey began the Healers, a band that plays the second date of its first U.S. tour Monday at the Black Cat. The group is officially a trio, with former Kula Shaker member Alonza Bevan on bass, although a second guitarist supplements the live sound. Yet at their first few gigs, supporting Oasis in Europe in mid-2000, there were six Healers."It was just people who were working on the record. Friends, some people who were living at my house," Marr says. "I said that anybody who was around could be in the band. I was really into having, like, a tribal band. I wanted a lot of people. But it just became a little too difficult to deal with. These people are still around, they play on the record. Maybe one day I'll get back to the tribal thing."There could have been one more Healer, if Marr's auditions for a singer had gone as intended. "I was never going to sing," he says. "I wasn't standing in the shadows waiting for my turn."His original plan was "to work with an unknown singer. But I thought it would be a tall order to find someone who could write words I like, and sing the way I like, and be the right kind of guy. So I thought, if I write four or five songs and do the vocals, then the person will know exactly what I wanted to hear. I did find a couple of guys I thought had really good voices, and I was kind of pleased with myself that I'd been able to do that. I played them for the band, and they sloughed off to a cafe, came back with a kind of conspiratorial air and said the guys were wrong. Their words actually were, 'These guys sound too normal. Your voice is weird.' I guess that's a compliment."The guitarist also gradually altered the album's sound. Songs like "The Last Ride" have a heavy, psychedelic-rock flavor, layered with multiple guitar parts and electronic treatments, but they were originally even more elaborate. "I really love synths," Marr says. "I love the way they work with guitars. But I also was up on percussion at the time. I wanted to have congas on everything. If the album had come out a couple of years ago, it would have been bongo-tastic."As Marr came back to the songs, "having been away on these useful diversions, I weeded it down. Now it's a little more recognizable as me, but without losing the initial agenda, which was to keep it rocking and have some energy and be groove-based."Ironically, the notion of this guitar-happy sound came to Marr while he was working on synth-pop material. "On the last Electronic album, I got on a bit of a roll with the songs I was writing," he says. "They were going in more of a rock direction. Crucially for me, I was starting to get an idea of how I wanted the vocals to sit on top. So I saw the big picture, whereas before I had been more than happy to do something without knowing how it was going to turn out."The Smiths songwriting team was a traditional one, although unusual in rock: Morrissey wrote the lyrics and Marr the music. With Electronic, Marr began contributing words, but "Boomslang" is "the first time I've written lyrics to a song entirely, or written a whole song. I always wrote stuff down. Just strung words together for the sake of it. But I've never put them out in public as a complete writer of songs."In some ways, "Boomslang" is a return to Marr's indie-rock background. The album is being released by iMusic, a Web-based company that allows musicians to own the masters of their recordings, and the Healers are guided by Joe Moss, the Smiths' original manager. Yet Manchester's outbreak of psychedelia seems to have affected Marr profoundly. He took the name "Healers" from "The Secret Doctrine," a book by 19th-century spiritualist Helena Blavatsky, who was once popular with British intellectuals."You've got to be interested in something besides Gibson guitars," Marr jokes. "It's just kind of a hobby, really. I don't think you're going to see me turn up with a picture of some dude around my neck, or shaving my head and changing my name to Simon or anything like that."Still, there is the fact that Marr, a master of the pithy guitar line and a devotee of studio craftsmanship, briefly thought of the Healers as a "tribal" group. "At one time, I just wanted it to be like a jam band, pretty free, really," he admits. "Maybe I'll get there one day."JOHNNY MARR & THE HEALERS -- Appearing Monday at the Black Cat. â?¢ To hear a free Sound Bite from Johnny Marr, call Post-Haste at 202-334-9000 and press 8101. (Prince William residents, call 703-690-4110.)
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Post by: markie on January 18, 2003, 03:11:00 pm: thanks GGW.It has helped build some excitement in me.I have been feeling guilty that I am more looking forward to Morceeba than Marr
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Post by: ggw on January 18, 2003, 03:27:00 pm: Have you listened to the stuff from <A HREF="http://www.johnnymarr.com" TARGET=_blank>http://www.johnnymarr.com[/url] I like it. I may have to go on Monday.
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Post by: wingelbert humptyback on January 18, 2003, 04:14:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by ggw: Have you listened to the stuff from <A HREF="http://www.johnnymarr.com" TARGET=_blank>http://www.johnnymarr.com[/url] I like it. I may have to go on Monday.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>For anyone that was at the Burning Brides / DOLL show last night and hasn't heard "Boomslang", well, now you have. They were playing that damn album ALL NIGHT long. Before, in between and after the bands. It'll be a while before that thing gets in my cd player again.
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Post by: JaguÃ¤r on January 18, 2003, 11:10:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by wingelbert humptyback: For anyone that was at the Burning Brides / DOLL show last night and hasn't heard "Boomslang", well, now you have. They were playing that damn album ALL NIGHT long. Before, in between and after the bands. It'll be a while before that thing gets in my cd player again.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Yeah, I noticed. Not bad. Nothing earth shattering though.
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Post by: JaguÃ¤r on January 18, 2003, 11:12:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by ggw: He took the name "Healers" from "The Secret Doctrine," a book by 19th-century spiritualist Helena Blavatsky, who was once popular with British intellectuals.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I have that book. (http://www.930.com/ubb/wink.gif)
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Post by: kosmo vinyl on January 19, 2003, 12:48:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by poorlulu: meet you in the red room bar what time you gonna get there at?and will i get to meet kosmoette?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>7:30ish??? kosmette passing on this show... it's a bit rich
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Post by: markie on January 19, 2003, 01:59:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by kosmo: 7:30ish??? kosmette passing on this show... it's a bit rich <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>We will probably nip and get a quick subway before the show, so I suspect we will get there at 7.45. Unless you want to get a pollys salad at say 7.15.What time does blackcat open anyhow? I remember arranging to meet people there before and it was closed.
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Post by: kosmo vinyl on January 20, 2003, 11:12:00 am: Kosmette's on board for getting together for a bite to eat before the show.... So meeting at Polly's sounds like like a plan.
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Post by: poorlulu on January 20, 2003, 11:41:00 am: see you at polly's tonight then...........
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Post by: markie on January 20, 2003, 12:50:00 pm: see you there around 7.15I still dont know if I am looking forward to it or not. I have more like a sense of dread that it will be awful and my boyhood guitar hero dreams will be shattered.
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Post by: kosmo vinyl on January 20, 2003, 01:17:00 pm: could it be any worse than John Squire and the Seahorses? although i missed seeing them live. Squire replaced Marr as my guitar hero.
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Post by: markie on January 20, 2003, 01:30:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by kosmo: could it be any worse than John Squire and the Seahorses? although i missed seeing them live. Squire replaced Marr as my guitar hero.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>well I have not seen any of them live......But the seahorses album isnt so bad. I quite like it, sure its not very innovative, but it does have a handful of good songs.Plus the guy could sing......I am just a bit nervous, I mean if it was such a good idea to front a band why not do it 17 years ago whilst he was in his 20's, not just about to hit 40?
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Post by: lily1 on January 20, 2003, 01:46:00 pm: i thought black cat didn't open, even the red room, until 8.30pm? i'll be there tonight, more out of curiosity than anything though at this point i have so much work to do, i'm half pondering getting rid of my ticket. *MUST NOT GIVE INTO EVIL WORK MONSTER*
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Post by: markie on January 20, 2003, 01:55:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by lily1: i thought black cat didn't open, even the red room, until 8.30pm? MONSTER*<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I think it opens at eight.
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Post by: lily1 on January 20, 2003, 01:56:00 pm: bunnyman and i will be there around 9. is there an opener?
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Post by: markie on January 20, 2003, 01:59:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by lily1: bunnyman and i will be there around 9. is there an opener? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>apparently so:"AMG REVIEW: Working alone in his bedroom on low-rent gear, Jonathan Bates found his sound on two preliminary EPs before creating A Demonstration of Intellectual Property. These six songs cover more ground than many other artists manage on a full CD, beginning with a disarming, lullaby-like instrumental, "Tinylittle." The songs that follow roll by like a storm front of massed guitar dissonances, ominous electronic noises, and voices that float above the turbulence, all the more painful because of their detachment. None of this comes at the expense of tunefulness: A highly developed structure illuminates these shadows, visible in the brilliantly dissonant hook and clustered chords of "No More Options" and in the elegant detailing of the drum track on "Beautiful Day." Fatalism and humor guide the lyrics, with some especially pungent irony on the dirge "And Repeat," but on "Bitelip" these qualities intensify into a self-referential kaddish that builds from mumbling monologue to wordless, harmonized moans over an apocalyptic backbeat. In little more than a quarter of an hour, Mellowdrone's music leaves the listener breathless and alert, as if in fear of sinking back into sleep, yet tempted as well by dreams of beauty and terror"
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Post by: lily1 on January 20, 2003, 02:04:00 pm: thanks markie. i guess 9 is early enough that we won't miss anything.
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Post by: markie on January 20, 2003, 02:07:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by lily1: thanks markie. i guess 9 is early enough that we won't miss anything.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>yea, well unless its sold out and there is a big slow queue at that time..
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Post by: lily1 on January 20, 2003, 02:17:00 pm: excellent point there markie. perhaps i'll stuff big bad work monster in the closet and head over earlier. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by markie: yea, well unless its sold out and there is a big slow queue at that time..<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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Post by: markie on January 20, 2003, 02:20:00 pm: if you are interested, you can download all of the mellowdrone EP as reviewed below by going here........ <A HREF="http://www.mellowdrone.com/songs.html" TARGET=_blank>http://www.mellowdrone.com/songs.html[/url] they even give out the artwork too.
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Post by: jadetree on January 20, 2003, 02:27:00 pm: how is this show even close to selling out?baffling
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Post by: markie on January 20, 2003, 02:45:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by jadetree: I really dont understand how good the smiths were and who wrote the music to all their songsbaffling<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Yep, I find that baffling too, egghead.
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Post by: jadetree on January 20, 2003, 02:51:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by markie: Yep, I find that baffling too, egghead.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>you obviously give the American concert going public way too much credit if you think they have any clue of that, dickhead
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Post by: markie on January 20, 2003, 02:53:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by jadetree: you obviously give the American concert going public way too much credit <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>well Sigur Ros sell out concerts and so do Sparta. I presume not all Americans like Creed and Sugar Ray, even though I know you do prince charles hair boy.
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Post by: JaguÃ¤r on January 20, 2003, 02:54:00 pm: Q: Who came first? The Dickhead who supposedly tastes like chicken or the Egghead? More importantly, do I really want to know!? (http://www.930.com/ubb/eek.gif)
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Post by: jadetree on January 20, 2003, 02:59:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by markie: well Sigur Ros sell out concerts and so do Sparta. I presume not all Americans like Creed and Sugar Ray, even though I know you do prince charles hair boy.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Both Sigur Ros and Sparta get press and in the case of Sparta they are the remnants of a pretty popular RECENT band. The average music fan associates Morrissey with The Smiths not Johnny Marr.Go listen to Erasure.
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Post by: markie on January 20, 2003, 03:02:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by JaguÃ¤r: Q: Who came first? :<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Trust me, I always come first.
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Post by: markie on January 20, 2003, 03:05:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by jadetree: Both Sigur Ros and Sparta get press and in the case of Sparta they are the remnants of a pretty popular RECENT band. The average music fan associates Morrissey with The Smiths not Johnny Marr.Go listen to Erasure.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Fair enough, although I had never heard of at the drive in before Sparta. But those are bands you find about in music press. If you read about music would it be that impossible to read about the smiths, the most loved indie band of the 80's?Oh l'amour whats a boy in love supposed to dobroke my heart and now its aching for you
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Post by: mankie on January 20, 2003, 03:07:00 pm: I thought you really hip and trendy 930 bored types would be waaaaay to cool to go see an artist from the 80's, isn't Andrew WanKer in town again this week?And just so many of you aren't disapointed this evening....it's Johny MARR not John MAYER tonight.
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Post by: markie on January 20, 2003, 03:09:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by mankie: I thought you really hip and trendy 930 bored types <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>HI MANKIEHow are you, how the fuck have you been? You should be there tonight 80's man.
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Post by: jadetree on January 20, 2003, 03:09:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by markie: Fair enough, although I had never heard of at the drive in before Sparta. But those are bands you find about in music press. If you read about music would it be that impossible to read about the smiths, the most loved indie band of the 80's?Oh l'amour whats a boy in love supposed to dobroke my heart and now its aching for you<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>not impossible, but not likelyWhy throw it away Why walk out on me I just live for the day For the way it should be There once was a time Had you here by my side You said I wasn't your kind Only here for the ride
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Post by: markie on January 20, 2003, 03:19:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by jadetree: not impossible, but not likely<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>well then why is it almost sold out then?Looking for you You were looking for me Always reaching for you You were too blind to see Oh love of my heart Why leave me alone I'm falling apart No good on my own
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Post by: kosmo vinyl on January 20, 2003, 03:30:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by markie: well I have not seen any of them live......But the seahorses album isnt so bad. I quite like it, sure its not very innovative, but it does have a handful of good songs.Plus the guy could sing......I am just a bit nervous, I mean if it was such a good idea to front a band why not do it 17 years ago whilst he was in his 20's, not just about to hit 40?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>based on the two songs on the marr website, i would hazard a guess the new marr cd and the seahorses are similar in sound. both a bit psychedilic with loads of layered guitars. yes 40 is a bit late to lead one's own band, but life does begin at 40 (http://www.930.com/ubb/smile.gif) and it's not like he's been sitting in a studio drugged out trying the greatest album ever like lee mavers and kevin armstrong.he's been doing the sideman thing (the the, etc) and electronic (the first and third albums are brill). plus he did audition unknown singers for this project and decided he was do alone. could be great or a total train wreck... lets hope a load of people aren't there screaming for smiths songs
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Post by: markie on January 20, 2003, 03:36:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by kosmo: could be great or a total train wreck... lets hope a load of people aren't there screaming for smiths songs<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>oops, so you dont think he would appreciate an odd shout or two for the Smiths two instrumental songs.....Draize train and oscillate wildly?
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Post by: kosmo vinyl on January 20, 2003, 03:41:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by markie: oops, so you dont think he would appreciate an odd shout or two for the Smiths two instrumental songs.....Draize train and oscillate wildly?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>well, only if i can request electronic songs
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Post by: markie on January 20, 2003, 03:46:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by kosmo: well, only if i can request electronic songs<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Well I have been getting away with it all my life. You on the other hand will probably just be dissappointed.
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Post by: JaguÃ¤r on January 20, 2003, 03:57:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by kosmo: well, only if i can request electronic songs<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Yes! One of my all-time favorite songs is Prodigal Son. That song gets me wild.
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Post by: markie on January 20, 2003, 04:00:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by JaguÃ¤r: Yes! One of my all-time favorite songs is Prodigal Son. That song gets me wild.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Jag you never seem to get the message.
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Post by: JaguÃ¤r on January 20, 2003, 04:02:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by markie: Jag you never seem to get the message.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I did Markie.....I chose to go in another direction. (http://www.930.com/ubb/wink.gif)Just throw that one on your list of heckles tonight. [This message has been edited by JaguÃ¤r (edited 01-20-2003).]
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Post by: markie on January 20, 2003, 04:05:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by JaguÃ¤r: I did Markie.....I chose to go in another direction. (http://www.930.com/ubb/wink.gif)Just throw that one on your list of heckles tonight. [This message has been edited by JaguÃ¤r (edited 01-20-2003).]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>so are you going tonight Jag?
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Post by: JaguÃ¤r on January 20, 2003, 04:10:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by markie: so are you going tonight Jag?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Yeah, I'll be there. (http://www.930.com/ubb/biggrin.gif)
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Post by: markie on January 20, 2003, 04:13:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by JaguÃ¤r: Yeah, I'll be there. (http://www.930.com/ubb/biggrin.gif)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>good. want to come and catsh us at pollys?
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Post by: JaguÃ¤r on January 20, 2003, 04:18:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by markie: good. want to come and catsh us at pollys?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I may...but depends on other factors. You know, the driving and time crap. 7ish or so, I know. Maybe I'll see you there. If not, then at the show.
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Post by: jadetree on January 20, 2003, 04:19:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by markie: catsh<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>you been drinking?
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Post by: markie on January 20, 2003, 04:23:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by JaguÃ¤r: I may...but depends on other factors. You know, the driving and time crap. 7ish or so, I know. Maybe I'll see you there. If not, then at the show. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I look forward to it!Ad Jadetree, I cant type, what is your excuse?
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Post by: wingelbert humptyback on January 21, 2003, 02:49:00 am: well, marr turned out to be pretty much what i expected after listening to "boomslang". absolutely nothing special all around. i still have a lot of respect for his capabilities as a musician, but i think he should be doing something a little bit more challenging than the healers material. i got so bored that i actually left before the show had even finished.as for mellowdrone, it turned out even better than i had hoped. that guy is definitely one to watch in the coming months. with a strong ep, an excellent live show and a new album on it's way in only two months, i think he's going to be doing just fine. oh, and opening for a name like johnny marr won't hurt much either i am sure.
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Post by: kosmo vinyl on January 21, 2003, 09:14:00 am: i enjoyed marr greatly, it was a blast being able to watch him play guitar so close up. the healers were a talented group of musicians, who i wished would have stretched a couple times. although the last song before the "encore" was a great t. rex stomper.mellodrome was indeed a nice discovery. watching him setup his loops was interesting. he's an artist who can control his technology not the technology controlling him.a big shoutout to my homies in the pit... markie, poorlulu, jauguar, mankie, lily1 and bunnymen.... although i wish markie hadn't been wearing his slippers when he crowd surfed over my head. talk about stinky!!!!!
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Post by: Fico on January 21, 2003, 11:21:00 am: I can't believe I missed the show... I bumped into Johnny Marr on sunday at Georgetown and had a brief chat with him... he said DC was a nice city and appeared to be concerned about the venue. Of the 3 members I think only Alonzo (bass player) had done the club circuit (Kula Shaker@930 a few years back)... I told him the Black Cat had remodeled not too long ago and that crowds are usually good... he was a gentleman and as I expected a top geezer overall... my idiot mates decided to extend our ski trip and I got back into the city past 12 yesterday... hope you all enjoyed the show.
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Post by: thirsty moore on January 21, 2003, 11:26:00 am: Did you tell him the link to your website?
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Post by: jadetree on January 21, 2003, 02:11:00 pm: so was the Marr show full?
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Post by: wingelbert humptyback on January 21, 2003, 02:22:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by jadetree: so was the Marr show full?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>It had filled up a fair amount by the time Marr hit the stage, but there definitely seemed to be a handful of tickets left to be sold.
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Post by: markie on January 21, 2003, 02:28:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by jadetree: so was the Marr show full?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>It got fairly full just before the show. But about half-way through the show people started drifting off. It didnt sell out though, must of been about 200 people away from doing that. I was good to see so many board members there. It was fun, thanks!I thought the show was good, I really liked mellowdrone. I was vocal about my dread of Marr. but I was pleasently surprised I thought his voice sounded good and the whole show was quite rocking. I guess the two biggest put downs I heard were " the recorded material isnt as rocky" and "this sounds rather like oasis". I particularly liked Marrs guitar sound when he played the Rickenbacker, very much like the smiths. The best song was in my opinion was the bob dylan cover with just Jonny and the bassist playing the keyboard.It was erie to see Ringo Starr playing the drums. Made it feel like it was half way to some 70's supergroup.
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Post by: wingelbert humptyback on January 21, 2003, 02:42:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by markie: It was erie to see Ringo Starr playing the drums. Made it feel like it was half way to some 70's supergroup.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I was sitting in the back of the room, but I am pretty sure that was Zak Starkey on the drums, not Ringo. He's Ringo's son though, so that's close.As for it being less rocky than the album, I'd honestly say I think that's a little off the mark. In fact, I thought it sounded very much like the album. Almost note for note for the most part.
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Post by: markie on January 21, 2003, 02:47:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by wingelbert humptyback: I was sitting in the back of the room, but I am pretty sure that was Zak Starkey on the drums, not Ringo. He's Ringo's son though, so that's close.yes I know, I did think he looked absolutely identical to Ringo though. I was expecting him to start narrating, Thomas the tank engine stylee, any moment.As for it being less rocky than the album, I'd honestly say I think that's a little off the mark. In fact, I thought it sounded very much like the album. Almost note for note for the most part.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Well I dont have the album, but I have four tracks off it and they sounded better last night than they do recorded. I think Jaguar thought the same.
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Post by: jadetree on January 21, 2003, 02:47:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by markie: "this sounds rather like oasis"<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>that was my thought when I heard the music on the site, I can imagine that making for a decent show though
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Post by: markie on January 21, 2003, 02:49:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by jadetree: that was my thought when I heard the music on the site, I can imagine that making for a decent show though<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>yeah, it was a good show. Not great, not the smiths, but a good show. Definately in the upper 50% of shows I go to not the bottom 50%.
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Post by: wingelbert humptyback on January 21, 2003, 03:01:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by markie: Well I dont have the album, but I have four tracks off it and they sounded better last night than they do recorded. I think Jaguar thought the same.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I agree it had a little more punch to it (hopefully most live shows will), but the album and the show both strike me as being pretty straight forward rock.I realized after I responded that you more likely than not knew that wasn't Ringo. Unfortunately the overwhelming lack of sleep I got last night is causing my brain to perform at a level even lower than my usual standards.
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Post by: markie on January 21, 2003, 03:07:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by wingelbert humptyback: I agree it had a little more punch to it (hopefully most live shows will), but the album and the show both strike me as being pretty straight forward rock.I guess that may be somewhat disappointing. I mean the smiths did and still do sound unique. It might have been more impressive if he had done something more original. When people have such high expectations though it must be impossible to keep everyone happy.I realized after I responded that you more likely than not knew that wasn't Ringo. Unfortunately the overwhelming lack of sleep I got last night is causing my brain to perform at a level even lower than my usual standards.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>although the thought of Ringo drumming for a band that couldnt sell out the blackcat is a rather amusing one. you're 16 you're beautiful and your Miiiine.sorry I got carried away.
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Post by: wingelbert humptyback on January 21, 2003, 03:29:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by markie: I guess that may be somewhat disappointing. I mean the smiths did and still do sound unique. It might have been more impressive if he had done something more original. When people have such high expectations though it must be impossible to keep everyone happy. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I agree again. I always try to give an artist the benefit of the doubt when they are embarking on a solo career after being a member of such a renowned band. I definitely didn't expect to hear the next Smiths when I popped in "Boomslang," but even still I feel there's a certain lack of depth to his latest work that caught me by surprise. It just feels so shallow, both technically and emotionally. Even as strictly by the numbers pop (which I have absolutely nothing against), it lacks the kind of inspired hooks that would keep me coming back for more listening.
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Post by: JaguÃ¤r on January 21, 2003, 04:30:00 pm: The live show has perked up my ears for the album. Yes Markie, I do believe that the live show had more pizzazz. No pizza though.Set list (with hand noted chord cheat cheat for some tunes. In the parenthesis):Long Gone 11-1 / 11-2 Caught Up (D) 12-1 / 12-5 Here It Comes 23-1 / 23-3 Down On The Corner (4) 22-4 / 22-5 All Out Attack 22-1 / 22-3 You Are The Magic (D) 14-1 / 14-5 In Betweens (D) 24-1 / 24-3 Don't Think Twice Another Day (E) 21-1 / 21/3 Last Ride 13-1 / 13-3 Need It 26-1 / 26-2 -------------------------------- Something To Shout 11-4 / 11-5 Bangin On 15-1 / 15-5------------------------------------Markie, the Dylan song is Don't Think Twice. It's an old classic.[This message has been edited by JaguÃ¤r (edited 01-21-2003).]
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Post by: markie on January 21, 2003, 04:55:00 pm: I liked the Dylan song, thanks Jag. I didnt realise thats what it was. It was the most touching and smiths like of the songs they played
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Post by: wingelbert humptyback on January 21, 2003, 05:31:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by markie: I liked the Dylan song, thanks Jag. I didnt realise thats what it was. It was the most touching and smiths like of the songs they played<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> anyone else notice how much marr's cover of that song sounded like "please, please, please, let me get what i want?"i didn't pick up on it until my girlfriend pointed it out, but i have to say that there was something to it.
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Post by: markie on January 21, 2003, 05:52:00 pm: I ddnt think it sounded that similar to any particular song. Just the overall effect was reminscent.that rickenbacker sound helped a lot.
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Post by: Fico on January 21, 2003, 06:06:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by markie: I ddnt think it sounded that similar to any particular song. Just the overall effect was reminscent.that rickenbacker sound helped a lot.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>13 songs all-together...seems like it was a short show..funny you would mention the Rickenbacker Markie... Johnny's been more of a Les Paul guy through his career.. not only most of his videos picture him playing a Les Paul, but I do remember a story about him giving Noel Gallagher one of his Les Paul's as a symbol of passing the Brit-Pop "torch" to him...the same thing Weller did when he gave him a White Rickenbacker he used on top of the pops...
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Post by: Fico on January 21, 2003, 06:10:00 pm: I take my statement back....from a guitar magazine interview Marr says this:'That said, a lot of the album was actually recorded with a '54 Telecaster belonging to John Porter. I used a Rickenbacker 360 12-string as well, and that was the guitar which subsequently got all the attention, but in fact it was mainly the Tele, and a bit of Les Paul.'
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Post by: markie on January 21, 2003, 06:13:00 pm: the rickenbacker he gave to Noel was by accident. Noel was taking too long to tune his guitar so Jonny lent him a gibson. Noel liked it so much that jony didnt have the heart to ask for it back.Jonny also bought the 12 sring rickenbacker that belonged to the byrds guitarist. Now that is a cool guitar.
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Post by: Fico on January 21, 2003, 06:22:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by markie: the rickenbacker he gave to Noel was by accident. Noel was taking too long to tune his guitar so Jonny lent him a gibson. Noel liked it so much that jony didnt have the heart to ask for it back.Jonny also bought the 12 sring rickenbacker that belonged to the byrds guitarist. Now that is a cool guitar.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>So for Markie and any other guitar buffs here's the lowdown:For recording Marr gravitates towards a few time-tested favourites. 'Over the last two years, I've been experimenting with everything I've got and I've come back to the same old guitars - not because of nostalgia, simply 'cos they're fantastic. 'My Gretsch 6120 is great, even people who own other ones say mine is the best they've ever played. I got it from Pete Townshend - and it's one that Noel isn't going to get. Another main recording guitar is my '59 Les Paul - just as you'd expect, an amazing guitar. I used that a lot on Strangeways... and The The's Dusk album. My other Les Paul is a mid-'80s one with a Bigsby retro-fitted; that's the one I used on How Soon Is Now?. Although Marr used a red Gibson ES335 throughout his time with The Smiths, his Gibson ES345 (left) is a more current favourite. 'I used it a lot on The The's Dusk, like the riff from Dogs Of Lust,' he notes. 'I've also been playing my black 355 a lot recently with Electronic' - the 355 can be seen in the videos for Forbidden City and For You. 'That's a really interesting guitar. It's got a very clean, almost David Crosby-type sound - hey, another really unfashionable influence! - and it doesn't fizz too much. I like using it for slide. Clean, but spooky - that's the vibe with that one.' These days Marr's Rickenbackers rarely see the light of day, but for the record he has two: a black '82 330 6-string (seen in the video for This Charming Man) and a mid-60s sunburst 360-12, his main Smiths recording Rickie, bought off Pete Townshend. Marr's main Strats are both '63s. 'One I keep constantly high strung in Nashville tuning, which is the top two strings the same and bottom four like a 12-string set with the low strings taken off,' he explains. 'It's a good tuning for coming up with new stuff 'cos you kind of feel like you're playing backwards. I used that on loads of Smiths stuff - You Just Haven't Earned It Yet, Baby, Half A Person... 'I've got two main Martin acoustics, a D28 and a D45. The D28 was always disappointing for recording until I started to put it in different tunings. That's often the case with guitars - they often don't happen in concert tuning - so I'd always recommend changing things around to see if they sound better. 'Another guitar I really like is a Fender Bass VI baritone guitar, which is interesting, even though it's only really got one sound. I used that on Helpline Operator by The The.' By far the weirdest thing in Marr's collection, however, is his nine pickup Fender Strat. 'I got it really cheap,' he excuses himself, feebly. 'Not only are there nine pickups, but there's an on/off and in/out-of-phase switch for each pickup. I'm not making this up, 'cos Noel was witness to that dreadful event. Bizarre! But I just thought, if Kraftwerk played guitar, they'd play this! I used it on the rhythm outro of Electronic's Out Of My League (from Raise The Pressure). I figured it would give some really strange harmonics... and if you just replace the word 'strange' with 'shit', then I was right." For amps, Marr again relies on a few old favourites. 'In particular, there's my Fender Deluxe - very punchy and hot, but not too distorted. You can hear the natural sound of that really well on Feel Every Beat by Electronic. I also used a Fender Pro a lot - that was also on a lot of the early Smiths records, while my Blackface Twin was used from the Queen Is Dead onwards. you can hear the Pro really well on New Order's Regret - Bernard (Sumner) borrowed my Les Paul and Pro for that, so he owes me some money as well.
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Post by: markie on January 21, 2003, 06:43:00 pm: thanks Fico,in addition: <A HREF="http://www.mlode.com/~813/marr.html" TARGET=_blank>http://www.mlode.com/~813/marr.html[/url]
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Post by: lily1 on January 21, 2003, 08:33:00 pm: hey gang, lovely to see you all again and to formally meet kosmo and mankie (thanks for the ginger ale).bit of a side note here-their publicist ended up in the same cab as me, since she was just headed over to rouge where they were all staying (fyi, more and more artists stay there or at topaz, except for the major stars that prefer the 4 seasons and the mayflower, should you feel the need to follow your favorite rockstar). she was very kind and chatty (http://www.930.com/ubb/smile.gif)and apologized several times over for johnny marr and the other band mates not coming out after the show. she mentioned that the tour manager was adament once they were off stage that they head home to bed. (http://www.930.com/ubb/eek.gif) apparently its been an exhausting few days and they had an early tran to ny this morning. they generally do come out for a short bit to meet the fans and sign, take pictures, etc, but not tonight. she's is based in la but is out with them for the tour. the band was very pleased with the turnout and the crowd, esp the crowd, and that there is some serious consideration to touring again in the not so distant future at perhaps a larger venue, preferably the 930. but regardless, they are coming back to dc. (http://www.930.com/ubb/biggrin.gif) yippee.i'm glad i shoved the work monster in the closet and went to the show. it was great.
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Post by: kosmo vinyl on January 22, 2003, 01:37:00 pm: as good as marr and his healers were, i doubt i will being seeing them again anytime soon, unless they are playing with another band i want to see.mellowdrome is deffo a artist worth watching out for. he's from boston living in la these days. i hear bits and pieces of plenty of other artists in his sound.... i.e. elliot smith, matt johnson. he cites jeff buckley, manic street preachers, radiohead as influences.he records with shareware software, but it certainly doesn't sound amatuer. the dvd he was selling was amusing but nothing to get overly excited for. good thing it was included in the package deal.i would even recommend mellowdrome to those who like industrial music... it can get pretty intense towards the end of the disc.
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Post by: kosmo vinyl on January 22, 2003, 01:41:00 pm: the baltimore band i was talking up all night is called The Setup, and if you want to hear a band which can rock out and still have fun. a little bash and pop for the senses. check em out.... they are a melding of the top british groups. The Beatles, David Bowie, The Jam and The Buzzcocks. and the front man is a scot! <A HREF="http://www.thesetup.biz" TARGET=_blank>http://www.thesetup.biz[/url] with sound samples at mp3.com ,etc
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Post by: Fico on January 22, 2003, 02:15:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by lily1: hey gang, lovely to see you all again and to formally meet kosmo and mankie (thanks for the ginger ale).bit of a side note here-their publicist ended up in the same cab as me, since she was just headed over to rouge where they were all staying (fyi, more and more artists stay there or at topaz, except for the major stars that prefer the 4 seasons and the mayflower, should you feel the need to follow your favorite rockstar). she was very kind and chatty (http://www.930.com/ubb/smile.gif)and apologized several times over for johnny marr and the other band mates not coming out after the show. she mentioned that the tour manager was adament once they were off stage that they head home to bed. (http://www.930.com/ubb/eek.gif) apparently its been an exhausting few days and they had an early tran to ny this morning. they generally do come out for a short bit to meet the fans and sign, take pictures, etc, but not tonight. she's is based in la but is out with them for the tour. the band was very pleased with the turnout and the crowd, esp the crowd, and that there is some serious consideration to touring again in the not so distant future at perhaps a larger venue, preferably the 930. but regardless, they are coming back to dc. (http://www.930.com/ubb/biggrin.gif) yippee.i'm glad i shoved the work monster in the closet and went to the show. it was great. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Thats great news Lily... It was frustrating to miss the show, but the prospect of a future gig at the 930 is a great thing...Maybe them opening up for Oasis??? (http://www.930.com/ubb/biggrin.gif)just dreaming out load...
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Post by: vansmack on January 22, 2003, 05:48:00 pm: I'm fully bummed I missed the show. I should have sucked it up and made it out.Anyhow, he's on Letterman tonight:*TV ALERT*: DAVID LETTERMAN SHOW PERFORMANCE Tune in to The Late Show with David Letterman tonight (Wed Jan. 22nd) as Johnny Marr + The Healers will make their U.S. national television debut performing "Last ride" from their upcoming iMusic release BOOMSLANG (release February 4th). Check your local times and listings.
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Post by: poorlulu on January 22, 2003, 05:54:00 pm: i just got that email too......vansmack you are a moron for missing that show......well and other reason too....
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Post by: vansmack on January 22, 2003, 06:05:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by poorlulu: vansmack you are a moron for missing that show......well and other reason too....<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Yes, thanks, I am well aware.Rub it in why don't you.....