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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: ADAMWV on July 29, 2005, 12:33:00 am
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I'm going to the Doors concert and was wondering if anyone knows if I can take my camera. :cool:
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Don't you mean Doors of the 21st Century?
In fact, didn't John Densmore win his court case against these guys? You better hope he doesn't come sue you for using that name here....
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Maybe if I say the former members of The Doors? :cool:
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How about "The Certain Former Members of the Doors Who are Money Grubbing Whores"?
Originally posted by ADAMWV:
Maybe if I say the former members of The Doors? :cool:
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Maybe the thought that these guys actually want to play music on stage together again for the sake of it being fun never crossed your mind. Don't they make enough money off of royalties alone anyway?
Besides, the Money Grubbing Whore title proudly goes to the Pixies, my favorite band. At least they know they're making their fans happy by giving them what they want. Rawk'n'roll!!
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Crossed my mind until I saw the $55 ticket price, dumbo.
Originally posted by bearman:
Maybe the thought that these guys actually want to play music on stage together again for the sake of it being fun never crossed your mind. Don't they make enough money off of royalties alone anyway?
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Nobody's making you pay that money. Who knows what kind of production costs they have. And besides, most people who would pay that kind of dough to see them are well into their 50's and probably go to a concert once every couple of years...not that I am saying that bands should charge that much for a show. But I also think that their motivations might be different than what you say because I'm sure that the Doors still make a ton of money off their records alone. There's no need for them to tour at this stage in their lives, especially since Manzarek had a stroke last year. Maybe he figures it's his last shot to try to play some music.
And by the way, I didn't call you any names, so don't resort to that kind of infantile shit please. That's just rude and that sort of thing shouldn't be encouraged.
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So because their audience is in their 50's, that gives them the right to charge $55? Way to show the love for the fans.
Most people in their 50's have budget items that your typical 25 year old concert goer does not: children, mortgage, car payments, aging parents, etc. They probably have less money for nonessentials like concerts than a 25 year old.
Why can't Manzarek sit in his wheelchair at home and play the music? If he's that close to death, seems like he'll rob the fans blind with a third rate performance.
Got that, hairyballs?
Originally posted by bearman:
Nobody's making you pay that money. Who knows what kind of production costs they have. And besides, most people who would pay that kind of dough to see them are well into their 50's and probably go to a concert once every couple of years...not that I am saying that bands should charge that much for a show. But I also think that their motivations might be different than what you say because I'm sure that the Doors still make a ton of money off their records alone. There's no need for them to tour at this stage in their lives, especially since Manzarek had a stroke last year. Maybe he figures it's his last shot to try to play some music.
And by the way, I didn't call you any names, so don't resort to that kind of infantile shit please. That's just rude and that sort of thing shouldn't be encouraged.
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If I could do my job for my current salary, or I could do the exact same thing for 3 times as much money, I'd be considered a moron to choose to make a third of what I could. Rock bands aren't ever afforded the same opportunity for some reason.
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer:
Most people in their 50's have budget items that your typical 25 year old concert goer does not: children, mortgage, car payments, aging parents, etc. They probably have less money for nonessentials like concerts than a 25 year old.
Those are just the loser 50-year olds who work for the government because they can't hack it in the real world.
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Rhett, what's the matter? It's Friday, chill the fuck out. Most 50-somethings are on the tail-end of paying mortgages. Their kids are off at school and they're settled into their careers and pulling in decent salaries. Your logic makes no sense to me. The average 25-year-old has major credit card debt, student loans to pay off, a below-average salary and they're just getting started. That's the age that you're on one of the tightest budgets.
Hairyballs? Whatever. Grow up and learn some manners. The rest of us are laughing our asses off at you.
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My wife considers you a moron no matter what your salary is. Can't say I'd argue with her on that one.
Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:
If I could do my job for my current salary, or I could do the exact same thing for 3 times as much money, I'd be considered a moron to choose to make a third of what I could. Rock bands aren't ever afforded the same opportunity for some reason.
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Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:
I Rock bands aren't ever afforded the same opportunity for some reason.
It is somewhat presumptuos. Are they really worth twice as much as Chuck Brown? Or 3 times as much as Puffy Ami Yummi?
Or 2.2X ABC & THE ENGLISH BEAT?
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Originally posted by poorlulu:
It is somewhat presumptuos. Are they really worth twice as much as Chuck Brown? Or 3 times as much as Puffy Ami Yummi?
Or 2.2X ABC & THE ENGLISH BEAT?
yes
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did I just heckle myself?
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer:
My wife considers you a moron no matter what your salary is. Can't say I'd argue with her on that one.
Your wife wakes up every morning next to you. I think I speak for all of us when I say we find her powers of perception DOA.
Oh, and way to ignore the crux of my point.
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Originally posted by poorlulu:
did I just heckle myself?
yes
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Originally posted by poorlulu:
It is somewhat presumptuos?
No, not at all. I don't think TD2K (or whatever they're called now) woke up and went, "Oh, hey $55 - that's a good ticket price!" No doubt their management and market analysts told them they could charge that much and still sellout venues, or just simply made the decision for them. Is it presumptuous if you're offered two jobs and take the one with 3 times the salary?
Originally posted by poorlulu:
Are they really worth twice as much as Chuck Brown? Or 3 times as much as Puffy Ami Yummi?
Or 2.2X ABC & THE ENGLISH BEAT?
According to the market, I'd guess so. I may not personally feel that way, but the masses do.
I don't understand how everyone can begrudge people for doing exactly what everyone of us does in almost any financial situation ever.
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They must have the same delusional management as Devo. :cool:
Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:
Originally posted by poorlulu:
It is somewhat presumptuos?
No, not at all. I don't think TD2K (or whatever they're called now) woke up and went, "Oh, hey $55 - that's a good ticket price!" No doubt their management and market analysts told them they could charge that much and still sellout venues, or just simply made the decision for them. Is it presumptuous if you're offered two jobs and take the one with 3 times the salary?
Originally posted by poorlulu:
Are they really worth twice as much as Chuck Brown? Or 3 times as much as Puffy Ami Yummi?
Or 2.2X ABC & THE ENGLISH BEAT?
According to the market, I'd guess so. I may not personally feel that way, but the masses do.
I don't understand how everyone can begrudge people for doing exactly what everyone of us does in almost any financial situation ever. [/b]
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Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:
I don't understand how everyone can begrudge people for doing exactly what everyone of us does in almost any financial situation ever.
Lunch is for Whimps, Greed is good. Ok Gordon Gecko.
Personally I dont think the price is really unreasonable, but I do not want to see the show, either. I would laugh if it turned out like Peter Gabriels overpriced tour.....
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer:
They must have the same delusional management as Devo. :cool:
I'm sure if they could be making more money playing larger venues for less, someone will point that out to them and they'll have different management soon. Darwin taught me stuff works like that.
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Originally posted by poorlulu:
Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:
I don't understand how everyone can begrudge people for doing exactly what everyone of us does in almost any financial situation ever.
Lunch is for Whimps, Greed is good. Ok Gordon Gecko.
Personally I dont think the price is really unreasonable, but I do not want to see the show, either. I would laugh if it turned out like Peter Gabriels overpriced tour..... [/b]
how much was that?
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It was at the MCI center, I had no interest in going, but I seem to remember the cheap seats being $80 something.
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Originally posted by poorlulu:
It was at the MCI center, I had no interest in going, but I seem to remember the cheap seats being $80 something.
wow....
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People people we've gotten way off the topic here. The point is that a Morrison-less Doors fronted by Ian Asbury, at any price, is just about the stupidest thing I've ever heard of. Almost as dumb as INXS having a reality TV show to choose their next singer.
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Yeah the stupidest thing about it all is I would pay $55 to see the cult at the 9.30 club.
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Devo could be playing larger venues but the production costs go up because they have to bring in a PA, Lights, etc... Where as at the club all that is already available.
I always cringe over those ticket prices for 80s acts. Most of the time you'll get one orginial member typically the singer and a band of hired hands.
The English Beat should be Dave Wakeling's English Beat which is interchangable with DW's General Public. While Dave was one of the chief songwriters he certainly isn't the most interesting member of that group, and really for me not a compelling reason for wanting to lay out money to see his version of the English Beat. That would be either Rankin Roger or Saxa. It's a shame Dave and Roger can't get their differences sorted out and work together. As they are each still doing English Beat material seperately.
Midly interested in ABC after the bands reunited special. Can't find on his website but at one point he had a semi permanent new group of ABCites.
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Although I'm not opposed to 'reunion tours' in general, some bands cannot 'reunite' unless all original members are included. The Doors would be one of these bands. The Doors were basically Jim Morrison and some other blokes.
That's just as bad as The Smiths without Morrissey. (Or Marr to a lesser extent)
Some bands could get away with it, the Stones being one of them. If any member popped off at any given time they could be replaced and life would go on as the Stones...yes, even Jagger. This is becasue all the band members are pretty much rockstars in their own right, whereas some bands are only as big as their front man/woman, and the Doors come into that category...IMHO of course.
ABC!!! Funny you mention them as we played Lexicon of Love just last night. What a great album that is, and I say that knowing some will mock but you can all feck off!
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Originally posted by poorlulu:
Yeah the stupidest thing about it all is I would pay $55 to see the cult at the 9.30 club.
Me too....whereas I wouldn't pay $15 to see the Doors 2K.
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Originally posted by bearman:
And besides, most people who would pay that kind of dough to see them are well into their 50's and probably go to a concert once every couple of years
I'll have you know that a number of people "well into their 50s" go to more shows than maybe even you. Not sure if it qualifys for a lot or not, but last year I saw 47 shows and have already been to 35 this year. Not bad considering only TWO of those shows were local. All the otehr were anywhere from 1 to 7 hours drive each way.