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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: Herr Professor Doktor Doom on September 13, 2004, 11:24:00 am
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So, hearing how long that GBV show went on got me a-thinkin'. Back in the day I remember that shows at the 9:30 club often had *four* sets, two full sets by the opening band and two sets by the headliners. Often for shows like this I wouldn't get home 'til 3am even on a weeknight. I'd fall in bed, my hair reeking of clove cigarettes, exhausted but satisfied. What became of those days? Or does that second pair of sets still happen but I'm just in bed and don't know about it?
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ahhhh yes - the days when the headlining band would come on stage for their second set at 1:30am on a Tuesday.
[crotchety old-man voice]
...and we liked it that way!
[/crotchety old-man voice]
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I think, Doom, that the late nights you refer to are now the Velvet Lounge timetable. And Black Cat is closer to that. The 'new' 9:30 Club is a more grown up place (in a good way...), and the others have filled that more late-night niche.
For me, I say god bless! I am completely cool with late Friday and Saturday shows, but those mid-week shows can be killers. I've skipped Velvet Lounge shows (like the Tyde and Elefant) 'cuz the headliner's not going on until midnight or so, on a school night.
Hell, I was at 9:30 Club four times last week, and for both mid-week shows I was home by 11:00. {yeah}
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Oh, I could never handle that schedule now. But 15-20 years ago my ability to recover from those late nights was much better.
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Well even the Black Cat and the VL don't do those double sets. That was cool...often bands would use the last set of the night to play more obscure stuff, or just generally phuq around, to a dwindling crowd of bleary-eyed, booze-addled (or Coca-Cola-addled if it was a Dischord show) fans.
I guess what I really miss about those days is the fact that it really didn't matter much if I got home at 3am. :)
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Good God, I remember being hungover from those 3am nights when I was out dancing at Club Heaven or hanging out after late shows at the 9:30...showing up for work the next day, still drunk or barely functioning. I just can't do that stuff anymore. Not that I see that as a bad thing though! I just have more going on in my life that requires me to be focused. But on a weekend, it's a different story ;)
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Originally posted by bunnyman:
Good God, I remember being hungover from those 3am nights when I was out dancing at Club Heaven or hanging out after late shows at the 9:30...showing up for work the next day, still drunk or barely functioning. I just can't do that stuff anymore. Not that I see that as a bad thing though! I just have more going on in my life that requires me to be focused. But on a weekend, it's a different story ;)
Is there still a Club Heaven, I walked passed that area not too long ago and didnt notice it. I used to like their Thursday night 80's music.
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There's no reason for shows to go on as late as they do. I'll bet a lot more people would go to shows if they started at 8 and ended by 11. Also, there's really no reason to have an opening act. Nobody gives a fuck about the opener. And if they do, they should just go see the opener when they have a headlining gig.
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There's no reason for shows to go on as late as they do. I'll bet a lot more people would go to shows if they started at 8 and ended by 11. Also, there's really no reason to have an opening act. Nobody gives a fuck about the opener. And if they do, they should just go see the opener when they have a headlining gig.
Wah, wah, wah...
Concerts should NOT begin at 8. Keep an open mind. Some people don't work 9 to 5. The world doesn't revolve around you. And the whole idea of not having an opening act is ridiculous. Sure, I've seen some downright shitty openers, but I've also seen some excellent bands that I would never have heard of or given a chance if I didn't see them open for a band I already liked. Plus, not all bands get a "headlining gig" right off the bat. You gotta start somewhere and build an audience. That's how the music industry sometimes works. Think about it.
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
There's no reason for shows to go on as late as they do. I'll bet a lot more people would go to shows if they started at 8 and ended by 11. Also, there's really no reason to have an opening act. Nobody gives a fuck about the opener. And if they do, they should just go see the opener when they have a headlining gig.
yup nobody gave a fuck about tommy keene :roll:
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
There's no reason for shows to go on as late as they do. I'll bet a lot more people would go to shows if they started at 8 and ended by 11. Also, there's really no reason to have an opening act. Nobody gives a fuck about the opener. And if they do, they should just go see the opener when they have a headlining gig.
Thanks for clearing that up Rhett.
And to think the multi-billion dollar concert business has been doing it all wrong for all these years.
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Yeah, as if concert venues are stable business ventures.
I do give the 9:30 and Iota credit for moving their shows to earlier times on weeknights. I'm just saying that it wouldn't hurt business (and would probably help) to bump them up even a little more.
Originally posted by chaz:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
There's no reason for shows to go on as late as they do. I'll bet a lot more people would go to shows if they started at 8 and ended by 11. Also, there's really no reason to have an opening act. Nobody gives a fuck about the opener. And if they do, they should just go see the opener when they have a headlining gig.
Thanks for clearing that up Rhett.
And to think the multi-billion dollar concert business has been doing it all wrong for all these years. [/b]
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however support acts are added to bills to help bring in more fans, especially if it's a local act with a good draw. support acts also come as part of the package with the headliner.
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I've probably been to 150-200 concerts in my life...maybe more, and maybe one or two of them had an opener that was the deciding factor in going.
The lateness of the show, in part due to the fact that the headliner went on so late, has been a deciding factor to go on numerous occasions.
But that's just me.
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
however support acts are added to bills to help bring in more fans, especially if it's a local act with a good draw. support acts also come as part of the package with the headliner.
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Late nite weeknight shows are a drag. I went to see Alasdair Roberts at the Warehouse and he went on about 1:15 on a Tuesday.
We don't need afternoon shows, but it'd be nice if the show could be over by midnight on a weeknight. The Black Cat varies, sometimes this is the case but other times the headliner waits til 11:30 to hit the stage.
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Dude, not everyone works 9 to 5.
Originally posted by bellenseb:
Late nite weeknight shows are a drag. I went to see Alasdair Roberts at the Warehouse and he went on about 1:15 on a Tuesday.
We don't need afternoon shows, but it'd be nice if the show could be over by midnight on a weeknight. The Black Cat varies, sometimes this is the case but other times the headliner waits til 11:30 to hit the stage.
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if shows started earlier and had no opening bands no clubs would be in business. if you have people in the club from, say, 8 pm to 10 pm, you sure aren't going to sell as many $5 beers as if you had people in the club from 9:30 pm to 1:30 a.m.
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
I'll bet a lot more people would go to shows if they started at 8 and ended by 11.
DC9 had a big problem with folks not wanting to come to an early show on weekends, and have since changed their policy. Kinda rebuffs your point.
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Originally posted by BookerT:
if shows started earlier and had no opening bands no clubs would be in business. if you have people in the club from, say, 8 pm to 10 pm, you sure aren't going to sell as many $5 beers as if you had people in the club from 9:30 pm to 1:30 a.m.
Ding ding ding ding ding!
Rhett maybe you should boycott the capitalist concert system.
Sure my legs back and eyes are a lot more tired by midnight one or two AM than they used to be, but Rock and Roll is a young man's (and woman's :) ) game. I don't expect it to grow old with me.
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Well DC9 is caters to an under 25- I don't have a professional job crowd anyway.
I'll bet if the Birchmere tried to keep the hours of DC9, they'd be out of business.
Originally posted by redsock:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
I'll bet a lot more people would go to shows if they started at 8 and ended by 11.
DC9 had a big problem with folks not wanting to come to an early show on weekends, and have since changed their policy. Kinda rebuffs your point. [/b]
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well the dual sets concept kinda nicely fits the some-people-work-nine-to-five-but-other-people-don't rubric, as well. :)
I think Rhett should stick to Crosby Stills & Nash concerts at Merriwether Post Pavillion ;)
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Well DC9 is caters to an under 25- I don't have a professional job crowd anyway.
I'll bet if the Birchmere tried to keep the hours of DC9, they'd be out of business.
And as I said, the 9:30 and Iota, both venues with a lot of appeal to the 25+ crowd, both get their weeknight headliners on at a fairly reasonable hour.
Originally posted by redsock:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
I'll bet a lot more people would go to shows if they started at 8 and ended by 11.
DC9 had a big problem with folks not wanting to come to an early show on weekends, and have since changed their policy. Kinda rebuffs your point. [/b]
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Who drinks more than onebeer at 11:30 on a worknight anyway?
Originally posted by BookerT:
if shows started earlier and had no opening bands no clubs would be in business. if you have people in the club from, say, 8 pm to 10 pm, you sure aren't going to sell as many $5 beers as if you had people in the club from 9:30 pm to 1:30 a.m.
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I think the DC9 thing was just backwards... earlier shows on the weekends than on the weeknights? I realize it was because of DJs, but still.
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Mostly just loser-alcoholics, which most of us clearly are. :D
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Who drinks more than onebeer at 11:30 on a worknight anyway?
Originally posted by BookerT:
if shows started earlier and had no opening bands no clubs would be in business. if you have people in the club from, say, 8 pm to 10 pm, you sure aren't going to sell as many $5 beers as if you had people in the club from 9:30 pm to 1:30 a.m.
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
yup nobody gave a fuck about tommy keene :roll: [/QB]
And I still don't know who he is.
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Well DC9 is caters to an under 25- I don't have a professional job crowd anyway.
I'll bet if the Birchmere tried to keep the hours of DC9, they'd be out of business.
Well, since they are 21+ it seems unlikely they are looking for such a small niche as the 21-24 non-professional job crowd. The birchmere and DC9 couldn't be further apart musically. Perhaps we should just leave it at the venues should cater to their audience. The in bed by 11 set should frequent Birchmere, and the night owls (regardless of their careers) should hit Warehouse next door and VL.
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If I were a Tommy Keene fan, I'd go see him do a headlining gig at an intimate place like Iota, not doing an opening stint at 9:30.
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
There's no reason for shows to go on as late as they do. I'll bet a lot more people would go to shows if they started at 8 and ended by 11. Also, there's really no reason to have an opening act. Nobody gives a fuck about the opener. And if they do, they should just go see the opener when they have a headlining gig.
yup nobody gave a fuck about tommy keene :roll: [/b]
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
If I were a Tommy Keene fan, I'd go see him do a headlining gig at an intimate place like Iota, not doing an opening stint at 9:30.
You are in truly rare form today Rhett. I salute you.
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Well thank you.
But honestly, how many of the people who attended the GBV show could honestly say that the deciding factor in going was the fact that the great Tommy Keene was opening?
Originally posted by chaz:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
If I were a Tommy Keene fan, I'd go see him do a headlining gig at an intimate place like Iota, not doing an opening stint at 9:30.
You are in truly rare form today Rhett. I salute you. [/b]
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Originally posted by chaz:
You are in truly rare form today Rhett. I salute you.
Make that I "Salty Salute" you.
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
I've probably been to 150-200 concerts in my life...maybe more, and maybe one or two of them had an opener that was the deciding factor in going.
But that's just me.
I tend to get to shows in time to see the opening band less often than several other board members, but I go to see an opener probably one in four or five shows. And that's how I discovered the Rosebuds, Washington Social Club (whom I saw open for Hot Hot Heat, not on their own -- I hadn't heard of them yet), The Shazam, The Capitol Years, etc.
Since Jan 1, 2004, I've been to ten shows specifically to see the opener (and left at some point during the headliner four of those times).
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Originally posted by redsock:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
I'll bet a lot more people would go to shows if they started at 8 and ended by 11.
DC9 had a big problem with folks not wanting to come to an early show on weekends, and have since changed their policy. Kinda rebuffs your point. [/b]
I was going to say the same...they got a lot of negative feedback on their "shows over by 10:00" policy. Even on weeknights, as 8:00 is early to start.
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
But honestly, how many of the people who attended the GBV show could honestly say that the deciding factor in going was the fact that the great Tommy Keene was opening?
Me. There were only 2 reasons I went to this show. 1) It was my last chance to see GBV (who I had never seen before), and 2) Tommy Keene. Tommy wasn't the only reason I went, but him opening definitely influenced my decision.
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Why is 8 pm an "early start"? Exactly what time do most people get out of work? Sporting events start before 8 pm and people don't complain that they start too early.
Originally posted by Bags:
Originally posted by redsock:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
I'll bet a lot more people would go to shows if they started at 8 and ended by 11.
DC9 had a big problem with folks not wanting to come to an early show on weekends, and have since changed their policy. Kinda rebuffs your point. [/b]
I was going to say the same...they got a lot of negative feedback on their "shows over by 10:00" policy. Even on weeknights, as 8:00 is early to start. [/b]
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Don't ask me, I didn't complain. But I saw the complaints go in to DC9....I live 8 minutes away, I got no problems.
Although one thing that makes some sense is folks going to DC9 to see a band are more likely to want to go home and change and eat dinner (no food at DC9), whereas most folks who go to MCI go right from work and eat that exorbitantly-priced food there.
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Why is 8 pm an "early start"? Exactly what time do most people get out of work? Sporting events start before 8 pm and people don't complain that they start too early.
Originally posted by Bags:
Originally posted by redsock:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
I'll bet a lot more people would go to shows if they started at 8 and ended by 11.
DC9 had a big problem with folks not wanting to come to an early show on weekends, and have since changed their policy. Kinda rebuffs your point. [/b]
I was going to say the same...they got a lot of negative feedback on their "shows over by 10:00" policy. Even on weeknights, as 8:00 is early to start. [/b]
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Why is 8 pm an "early start"? Exactly what time do most people get out of work? Sporting events start before 8 pm and people don't complain that they start too early.
Originally posted by Bags:
Originally posted by redsock:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
I'll bet a lot more people would go to shows if they started at 8 and ended by 11.
DC9 had a big problem with folks not wanting to come to an early show on weekends, and have since changed their policy. Kinda rebuffs your point. [/b]
I was going to say the same...they got a lot of negative feedback on their "shows over by 10:00" policy. Even on weeknights, as 8:00 is early to start. [/b]
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One thing to consider - food is readily availble at major sporting events, and while I'm sure you'll counter that food is available at concert venues as well, people don't think of shows as a place to eat. Add time to eat before the show and commute to the show, and that makes 8:00 a tight fit for some folks.
Personally, I don't know many people who only work 9-5. I'd say the standard among my friends is more like 8-6:30 or 7:30-6:30...making an 8:00 show after that is tough.
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Not everyone is a government slacker.
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Exactly what time do most people get out of work?
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Why is 8 pm an "early start"? Exactly what time do most people get out of work? Sporting events start before 8 pm and people don't complain that they start too early.
i do. i HATE that the Capitals start thier games at 7pm. I can barely ever make it thier by face off, and apparently I am not the only one, cause only 1/4 of the seats are filled by 7pm. so in other words, half of the people are late :)
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Isn't it sad that we live in a country where the standards are being at work from 10.5-11 hours a day? Fucking employers have people by the balls.
Originally posted by keithstg:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Why is 8 pm an "early start"? Exactly what time do most people get out of work? Sporting events start before 8 pm and people don't complain that they start too early.
Originally posted by Bags:
Originally posted by redsock:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
I'll bet a lot more people would go to shows if they started at 8 and ended by 11.
DC9 had a big problem with folks not wanting to come to an early show on weekends, and have since changed their policy. Kinda rebuffs your point. [/b]
I was going to say the same...they got a lot of negative feedback on their "shows over by 10:00" policy. Even on weeknights, as 8:00 is early to start. [/b]
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One thing to consider - food is readily availble at major sporting events, and while I'm sure you'll counter that food is available at concert venues as well, people don't think of shows as a place to eat. Add time to eat before the show and commute to the show, and that makes 8:00 a tight fit for some folks.
Personally, I don't know many people who only work 9-5. I'd say the standard among my friends is more like 8-6:30 or 7:30-6:30...making an 8:00 show after that is tough. [/b]
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Originally posted by Bags:
Since Jan 1, 2004, I've been to ten shows specifically to see the opener (and left at some point during the headliner four of those times).
i dont think all clubs are really marketing for the people who devote most of thier time to shows, feel the need to see every band, and live right down the damn street. maybe some place small like DC9, but if 930 did that, they'd never have any sell outs.
people like you, are going to come either way :)
others (and thats most people) have to be choosy.
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Isn't it sad that we live in a country where the standards are being at work from 10.5-11 hours a day? Fucking employers have people by the balls.
I generally work until 6:30 - 7:00, but I get in at 9:30 a.m. This is due to the fact that many of the companies we work with are based in Houston, Calgary, etc. -- 1 to 2 hours behind us. It actually makes a lot of sense.
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Isn't it sad that we live in a country where the standards are being at work from 10.5-11 hours a day?
yes it is, rhett. yes it is.
i work from 8am-5pm. but by the time i walk to my car (5:15pm), drive home (5:35pm) take a shower (5:45pm), eat dinner (6:15pm) and get myself into my Japanese car, its 6:30pm and it takes me over 1 hour to get to DC. that leave 7:45pm about the earliest i could get there. leaving me missing the first period of the game, or standing by the T-shirts at the 930 club!
and i have a girl to wait for to get ready too! (add 20 minutes to all times above!)
I dont go to DC a lot cause of the hassle and earliness of the show (see PJ Harvey)
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Well if you're getting an hour for lunch, that's 8-8.5 hours of work, which is reasonable. If you were in DC (I realize you're not), you could easily grab some faast food and make it to and 8PM show.
Originally posted by Bags:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Isn't it sad that we live in a country where the standards are being at work from 10.5-11 hours a day? Fucking employers have people by the balls.
I generally work until 6:30 - 7:00, but I get in at 9:30 a.m. This is due to the fact that many of the companies we work with are based in Houston, Calgary, etc. -- 1 to 2 hours behind us. It actually makes a lot of sense. [/b]
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Well if you're getting an hour for lunch, that's 8-8.5 hours of work, which is reasonable. If you were in DC (I realize you're not), you could easily grab some faast food and make it to and 8PM show.
havent you talked of how you hate fast food on this board before? others do too :)
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Originally posted by Bags:
This is due to the fact that many of the companies we work with are based in Houston, Calgary, etc. -- 1 to 2 hours behind us.
Calgary? are you in the cattle business, lol.
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I have found Chipotle and Po'Belly's and a few other fast service places to be tolerable in a pinch. Plus, working near Union Station, I have the luxary of a good fast food court :)
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Well if you're getting an hour for lunch, that's 8-8.5 hours of work, which is reasonable. If you were in DC (I realize you're not), you could easily grab some faast food and make it to and 8PM show.
havent you talked of how you hate fast food on this board before? others do too :) [/b]
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by Bags:
Since Jan 1, 2004, I've been to ten shows specifically to see the opener (and left at some point during the headliner four of those times).
i dont think all clubs are really marketing for the people who devote most of thier time to shows, feel the need to see every band, and live right down the damn street. maybe some place small like DC9, but if 930 did that, they'd never have any sell outs.
people like you, are going to come either way :)
others (and thats most people) have to be choosy. [/b]
I fully admit I'm going anyway....I was just answering that there are folks who go to see opening bands. Also, he noted he'd only gone to see an opening band maybe once or twice in 150-200 shows. I was just noting that his 'ratio' may be particularly small.
I do NOT feel the need to see every band. I probably miss about 70-80% of openers. Just can't devote *that* much time (I already devote a lot of time....). I'm not quite sure what you were getting at Sonick...I'm fine with going to a show just to see an opener because the band wasn't quite big enough to sell enough tickets on its own... I don't need every band I want to see play their own show (that's Rhett). Man, way too many shows for me to see as it is! :D
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Well if you're getting an hour for lunch, that's 8-8.5 hours of work, which is reasonable. If you were in DC (I realize you're not), you could easily grab some faast food and make it to and 8PM show.
Originally posted by Bags:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Isn't it sad that we live in a country where the standards are being at work from 10.5-11 hours a day? Fucking employers have people by the balls.
I generally work until 6:30 - 7:00, but I get in at 9:30 a.m. This is due to the fact that many of the companies we work with are based in Houston, Calgary, etc. -- 1 to 2 hours behind us. It actually makes a lot of sense. [/b]
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Who takes lunch? For an hour? Damn.
I don't think it's sad that people choose to work 10.5-11 hours a day. I would find it sad if some had to do so just to get by. I look at the amount of hours worked as a choice - one could work the "average" 8 hour day, if one chose.
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Originally posted by Bags:
I do NOT feel the need to see every band. I probably miss about 70-80% of openers. Just can't devote *that* much time (I already devote a lot of time....). I'm not quite sure what you were getting at Sonick...
some people i know are on a mystical conquest to see every band they've ever heard of live.
you strike me as one of those people. just an observation.
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Do they really CHOOSE to work 11 hours a day? If they only worked 8 hours a day, thus only getting about 78% of the same productivity, would they be allowed to keep their jobs?
Originally posted by keithstg:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Well if you're getting an hour for lunch, that's 8-8.5 hours of work, which is reasonable. If you were in DC (I realize you're not), you could easily grab some faast food and make it to and 8PM show.
Originally posted by Bags:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Isn't it sad that we live in a country where the standards are being at work from 10.5-11 hours a day? Fucking employers have people by the balls.
I generally work until 6:30 - 7:00, but I get in at 9:30 a.m. This is due to the fact that many of the companies we work with are based in Houston, Calgary, etc. -- 1 to 2 hours behind us. It actually makes a lot of sense. [/b]
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Who takes lunch? For an hour? Damn.
I don't think it's sad that people choose to work 10.5-11 hours a day. I would find it sad if some had to do so just to get by. I look at the amount of hours worked as a choice - one could work the "average" 8 hour day, if one chose. [/b]
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In this area, in the evening, a "pinch" is 20-30 min. to get food at one of the places you mention. So add that amount of time to Sonick's schedule above. Add 5-8 min. if you have someone with you.
Not all of us have or want the luxury of a food court close-by. If we all did that before every show, we'd be the obese people you think we are.
Sure, you can eat at the club or another venue (if food is offered). Often, by the time you actually get inside the venue, and if a show is sold out, it's difficult to manage and not miss even more of the show. Buying food at a venue is an option, but not the most healthy and tacks on the $.
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
I have found Chipotle and Po'Belly's and a few other fast service places to be tolerable in a pinch. Plus, working near Union Station, I have the luxary of a good fast food court :)
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Well if you're getting an hour for lunch, that's 8-8.5 hours of work, which is reasonable. If you were in DC (I realize you're not), you could easily grab some faast food and make it to and 8PM show.
havent you talked of how you hate fast food on this board before? others do too :) [/b]
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as someone pointed out on the tommy keene forum, there were some "mature" fans that were in attendence that may have been there for tommy. seeing as he only comes around maybe once a year his fanbase isn't going to pass up a chance on seeing him.
my criteria for seeing shows these often depends on the lineup... it either got to be an artist i really want to see or the pairing of two artists i kinda want to see. i.e. to drag me outta of the house to see a band like muse they would have to be playing with some i really wanted to see. muse by themselves not much appeal
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
...Chipotle...
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
some people i know are on a mystical conquest to see every band they've ever heard of live.
you strike me as one of those people. just an observation.
I can see that assumption. I don't think it's the case, but I will say that, because it's pretty easy for me to get to shows, I'll go see someone I've heard/read about just to check them out. I go to about half of the shows I make a note of when they get announced... I've definitely gone to more since I've been posting/reading here, as I've heard of so many more bands. For instance, I never would have checked out The National, The Delgados, Snow Patrol, British Sea Power, but for the board...
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Originally posted by Bags:
I can see that assumption. I don't think it's the case, but I will say that, because it's pretty easy for me to get to shows, I'll go see someone I've heard/read about just to check them out.
Um, you do realize those sentences contradict themselves, right? ;)
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What Kosmo said.
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
as someone pointed out on the tommy keene forum, there were some "mature" fans that were in attendence that may have been there for tommy. seeing as he only comes around maybe once a year his fanbase isn't going to pass up a chance on seeing him.
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Do they really CHOOSE to work 11 hours a day? If they only worked 8 hours a day, thus only getting about 78% of the same productivity, would they be allowed to keep their jobs?
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I would submit that most people could choose to work 8 hours a day and KEEP their jobs, but not necessarily improve them and further a career. That's why I mentioned choice. Working 10-11 hour days comes with drawbacks and benefits, as does working an 8 hour day.
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Originally posted by Random Citizen:
Originally posted by Bags:
I can see that assumption. I don't think it's the case, but I will say that, because it's pretty easy for me to get to shows, I'll go see someone I've heard/read about just to check them out.
Um, you do realize those sentences contradict themselves, right? ;) [/b]
Nope, I don't see that. I'll check out bands, but it's not a mission and if I miss a show, no biggie. Sonick's assumption was that I was set on seeing every band I know. I'm not fanatical about it by any means...(but I understood his assumption 'cuz I do see a lot...)
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(Homer voice) mmmm... Chipotle...
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Thanks. I'll send that one to my wife to offer evidence for going to Po'Belly's over her favored Chipotle.
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
McChipotleâ?¢ Nutritional info:
Chipotle's Chicken Burrito (with black beans, rice, cheese, and salsa) weighs in at nearly 1,000 calories and 12 grams of saturated fat.
Chipotle's Vegetarian Burrito (with black beans, rice, cheese, guacamole, and salsa) weighs over a pound and provides 1,120 calories and three-quarters of a day's worth of saturated fat (14 grams).
Chipotle's Barbacoa Burrito (with shredded beef, pinto beans, rice, cheese, guacamole, sour cream, and salsa) hits nearly 1,300 calories and three-quarters of a day's worth of saturated fat. That's the equivalent of a Quarter Pounder, a large order of fries, and a large Coke.
http://www.cspinet.org/new/200309301.html (http://www.cspinet.org/new/200309301.html)
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
...Chipotle...
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ok, then let's have the shows at 9 instead of 8. Which is when the opener goes on at Iota and 9:30 on worknights, which I said was tolerable.
Originally posted by Sugartastic Tee Silk:
In this area, in the evening, a "pinch" is 20-30 min. to get food at one of the places you mention. So add that amount of time to Sonick's schedule above. Add 5-8 min. if you have someone with you.
Not all of us have or want the luxury of a food court close-by. If we all did that before every show, we'd be the obese people you think we are.
Sure, you can eat at the club or another venue (if food is offered). Often, by the time you actually get inside the venue, and if a show is sold out, it's difficult to manage and not miss even more of the show. Buying food at a venue is an option, but not the most healthy and tacks on the $.
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
I have found Chipotle and Po'Belly's and a few other fast service places to be tolerable in a pinch. Plus, working near Union Station, I have the luxary of a good fast food court :)
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Well if you're getting an hour for lunch, that's 8-8.5 hours of work, which is reasonable. If you were in DC (I realize you're not), you could easily grab some faast food and make it to and 8PM show.
havent you talked of how you hate fast food on this board before? others do too :) [/b]
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Are you implying that there's anything wrong with this? Personally, it's not the life I choose, but if someone else is that way, what does it matter?
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by Bags:
I do NOT feel the need to see every band. I probably miss about 70-80% of openers. Just can't devote *that* much time (I already devote a lot of time....). I'm not quite sure what you were getting at Sonick...
some people i know are on a mystical conquest to see every band they've ever heard of live.
you strike me as one of those people. just an observation. [/b]
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Are you implying that there's anything wrong with this?
no i was not.
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Originally posted by keithstg:
I would submit that most people could choose to work 8 hours a day and KEEP their jobs, but not necessarily improve them and further a career. That's why I mentioned choice. Working 10-11 hour days comes with drawbacks and benefits, as does working an 8 hour day.
There are plenty of jobs where you can work 8 hours and not harm or hinder your career. Like mine for example. I know lots of people who work tons of hours and do crap work. If you get your work done well in 8 hours, it makes no difference. It really depends what you do for a living and where you work.
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Originally posted by pollard:
Originally posted by keithstg:
I would submit that most people could choose to work 8 hours a day and KEEP their jobs, but not necessarily improve them and further a career. That's why I mentioned choice. Working 10-11 hour days comes with drawbacks and benefits, as does working an 8 hour day.
There are plenty of jobs where you can work 8 hours and not harm or hinder your career. Like mine for example. I know lots of people who work tons of hours and do crap work. If you get your work done well in 8 hours, it makes no difference. It really depends what you do for a living and where you work. [/b]
Agreed. That's why I said that one wouldn't necessarily advance their career by working 8 hour days. In my field one is not likely to have much of a career working only 8 hour days irrespective of how good a job one does, but that is of course not true for all fields.
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I didn't read it that way. My apologies...muddled again...
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
There's no reason for shows to go on as late as they do. I'll bet a lot more people would go to shows if they started at 8 and ended by 11. Also, there's really no reason to have an opening act. Nobody gives a fuck about the opener. And if they do, they should just go see the opener when they have a headlining gig.
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Is there still a Club Heaven, I walked passed that area not too long ago and didnt notice it. I used to like their Thursday night 80's music.
Yes, Club Heaven still very much exists and still does an '80's Night every Thursday night (now spun by Neal). This event has been going for 10 years, if you can believe it! I still sometimes go but occasionally hit other club nights on Thursdays as well.
Cheers
DJ Medusa.
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Originally posted by Doctor Doom:
I'd fall in bed, my hair reeking of clove cigarettes, exhausted but satisfied.
A lovely vision indeed!
Now where did I put that package of cloves ...
Cheers
DJ Medusa.
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Originally posted by Medusa:
Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Is there still a Club Heaven, I walked passed that area not too long ago and didnt notice it. I used to like their Thursday night 80's music.
Yes, Club Heaven still very much exists and still does an '80's Night every Thursday night (now spun by Neal). This event has been going for 10 years, if you can believe it! I still sometimes go but occasionally hit other club nights on Thursdays as well.
Cheers
DJ Medusa. [/b]
Thanks for the info. :)