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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: ggw on September 13, 2004, 01:05:00 pm
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Grandmaster Flash and The Furious Five
Buddy Guy
J. Geils Band
Lynyrd Skynyrd
Randy Newman
O' Jays
Gram Parsons
Pretenders
Sex Pistols
Percy Sledge
Patti Smith
Stooges
Conway Twitty
U2
Wanda Jackson
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Gram Parsons is clearly above the rest of the list.
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Gram Parsons is clearly above the rest of the list.
you are stupid.
although...
he is better than the J Geils Band who doesnt deserve to be in ANY kind of hall of fame, ever.
(neither do the Sex Pistols)
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If I had three votes I would vote:
Sex Pistols
U2
Lynyrd Skynyrd
I know, I know....You guys are glad I'm not voting.
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Gram Parsons is clearly above the rest of the list.
Rhett - Thank you for continuing to entertain me with your hilarious statements.
My prediction:
Grandmaster Flash and The Furious Five
Gram Parsons
U2
....but I'm not very good at prdicting these sorts of things. And how the hell did J Geils band get on this list?
Is there a limit to the # of inductees each year?
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If the Stooges don't get in they should push that entire building into the lake!
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Originally posted by LonnieBeale:
If the Stooges don't get in they should push that entire building into the lake!
Agreed!
At least Iggy's finally getting rich off of those cruise line commercials.
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
(neither do the Sex Pistols)
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
(neither do the Sex Pistols)
You really think that? A hall of FAME would seem like the most appropriate place for them. Besides they really got the whole punk thing rolling.
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SORRY SORRY SORRY
i understand that everyone loves the Sex Pistols, but did they REALLY start punk? no one was punk before them?
I suppose its only a matter of time before Nirvana gets into the Hall Of Fame too right?
I suppose if the Sex Pistols are in then so should Limp Bizkit.
Nirvana = Limp Bizkit = Sex Pistols
(that should piss some people off)
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I don't think the Sex Pistols should be in the rock and roll hame of fame.
They put out one album, right?
Does a baseball player make the baseball hall of fame for having one 20 game winning season or winning one batting title, and following it up with mediocrity or nothing at all?
Does a football player have one 2000 yard season, then blow out his knee and retire, and get rewarded hall of fame status?
Sex Pistols=one great, important record. But definitely not hall of fame material.
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nobody is saying the sex pistols started punk... they did however
influence many young bands in britan
created the controversy to get punk in the face of the world
made punk a marketable sound
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In the grand scheme of music, I think the importance of "punk" is way overrated anyway.
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
nobody is saying the sex pistols started punk... they did however
influence many young bands in britan
created the controversy to get punk in the face of the world
made punk a marketable sound
sorry again Kosmo, "got the whole punk thing rolling" really sounds like he meant "started punk" to me ;)
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Does a baseball player make the baseball hall of fame for having one 20 game winning season or winning one batting title, and following it up with mediocrity or nothing at all?
well, don sutton only had 1 20 win season and he's in the hall of fame.
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C'mon, don't you all know that the Sex Pistols were really just a Britpop band?
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But he had 23 seasons of 10+ wins.
Were the Sex Pistols that consistently good over at least a decent amount if time?
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Does a baseball player make the baseball hall of fame for having one 20 game winning season or winning one batting title, and following it up with mediocrity or nothing at all?
well, don sutton only had 1 20 win season and he's in the hall of fame. [/b]
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Yes, they batted .350 and they pitched 12 straight no hitters.
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
But he had 23 seasons of 10+ wins.
Were the Sex Pistols that consistently good over at least a decent amount if time?
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
But he had 23 seasons of 10+ wins.
Were the Sex Pistols that consistently good over at least a decent amount if time?
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Does a baseball player make the baseball hall of fame for having one 20 game winning season or winning one batting title, and following it up with mediocrity or nothing at all?
well, don sutton only had 1 20 win season and he's in the hall of fame. [/b]
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well, i guess this is more in line. . explain how rick ferrell got into the hall? no one would dare say that he was a great player, but a relatively average one. however, he was good for a catcher. could you not say something similar about the pistols? why you may not like them, they were/are the proto-typical punk band of that era. while you go on pooh-poohing punk, it's still a genre (especially the 70s/early 80s bands) that is gonna have to be reckoned with by the rock and roll hall of fame. just because YOU don't like it, is an obvious logical fallacy.
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
well, i guess this is more in line. . explain how rick ferrell got into the hall? no one would dare say that he was a great player, but a relatively average one. however, he was good for a catcher. could you not say something similar about the pistols? why you may not like them, they were/are the proto-typical punk band of that era. while you go on pooh-poohing punk, it's still a genre (especially the 70s/early 80s bands) that is gonna have to be reckoned with by the rock and roll hall of fame. just because YOU don't like it, is an obvious logical fallacy.
i think you are arguing with no one really.
I am sure if we looked at all of the sports stats against who made thier respective halls of fame, we'd find a fwe people who were "gifted" in, and a few who were "left out". thats probably agreed, but do we need to do it here too?
is it the Hall Of Fame or a popularity contest?
cause I'd vote them into the latter.
besides, if a baseball player got hooked on smack and killed his wife....he wouldnt be in the hall of fame.
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Punk rock changed my life...but then again, to some people if it's not the Old 97's or some alt-country thing, it's shite. Not that I care, because I don't care much for that attitude anyway. Punk rock MAJORLY altered popular music in the 70's, 80's, 90's and 00's. It may have been a trickle-down effect in a lot of cases, but it's there, in everything from Blondie and the Go-Go's to Green Day and Nirvana.
For my own pick, I would say the 3 I would choose EASILY are the Stooges, Patti Smith and Grandmaster Flash. Fourth would be the Pretenders. You have to give credit where credit is due...the Stooges put out three of the best rock'n'roll records of all time. The Sex Pistols, though influential, also did as much damage as they did good. Nobody wanted to touch punk rock after the Pistols. Bands like the Ramones were pretty much destined to commercial failure because the image was too risky to record labels. That's why people started signing up all the new wave bands because it was watered down punk and it was more palatable to the consumer.
That being said, punk rock is class music like the blues or country. It was meant to be about rebellion, and it was inspired by people who were beaten down and tired of it. Their expression was through music, and there is an honesty in that type of music because it's inspired by what is real. Not all punk is sophisticated (let's face it, people like the Ramones were NOT society's elite), but there was still something that fueled their songs...and over time it became more focused, more angry. Put on any early Black Flag, Minor Threat, or go back to the Stooges. You have a revolution in those records. The Stooges are the real deal...they belong in the Hall of Fame to give it some legitimacy.
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How about Gram Parsons?
He played maybe four seasons - as a blocking fullback and special teams player - and gained about 417 yards over that career.
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Does a football player have one 2000 yard season, then blow out his knee and retire, and get rewarded hall of fame status?
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yes, i know, OJ Simpson.
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
i think you are arguing with no one really.
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yeah, that's true. . .but my bronchitis has made me cranky and combative today. waiting for the doctor to (hopefully) give me something to help me. perhaps herr doom could give me some of whatever he's been smoking. :)
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Sex Pistols=one great, important record. But definitely not hall of fame material.
one record yes, thats whats when the band breaks up. but i think the legend of the pistols would have been damaged by future records. plus at the time plenty of drugs, alcohol and death had the band in pretty poor shape to do a follow up. plus rotton was already to move on to different things with PIL
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Ok, I guess that means Mark "The Bird" Fidrych and Rick Ankiel both belong the the baseball hall of fame, no?
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Sex Pistols=one great, important record. But definitely not hall of fame material.
one record yes, thats whats when the band breaks up. but i think the legend of the pistols would have been damaged by future records. plus at the time plenty of drugs, alcohol and death had the band in pretty poor shape to do a follow up. plus rotton was already to move on to different things with PIL [/b]
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For his wacky antics at least.
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Ok, I guess that means Mark "The Bird" Fidrych ... belong the the baseball hall of fame, no?
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And there's of course the annual question:
What do [insert nominated artists here] have to do with Rock 'n' Roll? In this case, I'll put up Grand Master Flash and Conway Twitty.
I can readily understand why some blues and country artists are in there. They directly influenced the progression of rock and roll. There's no doubt that GMF was a monstrous force in the development of rap, hip-hop and popular music in general - but rock and roll? Same for Conway. An absolute top-notch country artist, worth of every bit of country praise I could think of. But did he have any influence at all in rock and roll?
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So do you think Buddly Holly doesn't deserve to be in the hall? Based on this argument you don't. Comparing the RnR hall to football or baseball is silly.
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
I don't think the Sex Pistols should be in the rock and roll hame of fame.
They put out one album, right?
Does a baseball player make the baseball hall of fame for having one 20 game winning season or winning one batting title, and following it up with mediocrity or nothing at all?
Does a football player have one 2000 yard season, then blow out his knee and retire, and get rewarded hall of fame status?
Sex Pistols=one great, important record. But definitely not hall of fame material.
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Conway actually started as a rock and roll artist on Sun Records, and wrote the Elvis smash "It's Only Make Believe". But you're right, his rock contributions weren't really that significant.
Except my mom got the see one of his rock shows back in the 50's and meet him after the show.
Originally posted by Bombay Chutney:
And there's of course the annual question:
What do [insert nominated artists here] have to do with Rock 'n' Roll? In this case, I'll put up Grand Master Flash and Conway Twitty.
I can readily understand why some blues and country artists are in there. They directly influenced the progression of rock and roll. There's no doubt that GMF was a monstrous force in the development of rap, hip-hop and popular music in general - but rock and roll? Same for Conway. An absolute top-notch country artist, worth of every bit of country praise I could think of. But did he have any influence at all in rock and roll?
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Originally posted by chaz:
So do you think Buddly Holly doesn't deserve to be in the hall?
if he hadnt died in a plane crash, he probably wouldnt be.
oh, that was Buddy Holly, not Buddly. sorry.
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by chaz:
So do you think Buddly Holly doesn't deserve to be in the hall?
if he hadnt died in a plane crash, he probably wouldnt be.
oh, that was Buddy Holly, not Buddly. sorry. [/b]
Sonick yer such a such a spelling cop...
And you may be right about about the crash, although I'd still put Holly in, but not Richie Valens (I may have spelled that first name wrong...sorry officer, but there are a few ways to spell Richie..)
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Originally posted by chaz:
And how the hell did J Geils band get on this list?
I'm not sure why I'm bothering to defend J Geils since I really don't like anything they've ever done, but...the reason they are on here is that they really are much more than their Freezeframe & "Centerfold" output. They'd been making bluesy rock records since the early 70's - most received pretty positive critical acclaim. Then they sold their soul to MTV in the early 80's.
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But can't we all agree that Centerfold and Freezeframe were oh so much catchier than the earlier stuff?
Originally posted by grotty:
Originally posted by chaz:
And how the hell did J Geils band get on this list?
I'm not sure why I'm bothering to defend J Geils since I really don't like anything they've ever done, but...the reason they are on here is that they really are much more than their Frrezeframe & "Centerfold" output. They'd been making bluesy rock records since the early 70's - most to pretty positive critical acclaim. Then they sold their soul to MTV in the early 80's. [/b]
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I heard "Centerfold" out at Fed-Ex field the other week and thought to myself "Self, this music sure beats the shit out of anything I've heard on HFS lately...ahh yes those were the good old days. The Greasman, Billy Squire and J. Geils band."
I like J Geils...though I'm not familiar with anything he ever did other than the songs you mentioned. His name just sounded so random on the list of canditates. Billy Squire....now THERE'S a guy who belongs in the hall! Stroke me, Stoke me! Stroke! Stroke! Pure genius! Originally posted by grotty:
Originally posted by chaz:
And how the hell did J Geils band get on this list?
I'm not sure why I'm bothering to defend J Geils since I really don't like anything they've ever done, but...the reason they are on here is that they really are much more than their Frrezeframe & "Centerfold" output. They'd been making bluesy rock records since the early 70's - most to pretty positive critical acclaim. Then they sold their soul to MTV in the early 80's. [/b]
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The J. Geils Band was one of the best concerts I've ever seen. The "Freeze-Frame" era doesn't really represent them well at all. They're more of an r&b-based rock band - sort of like the stuff The Blues Brothers are known for.
Still, they wouldn't be my first choice of artists to nominate.
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Does a baseball player make the baseball hall of fame for having one 20 game winning season or winning one batting title, and following it up with mediocrity or nothing at all?
well, don sutton only had 1 20 win season and he's in the hall of fame. [/b]
But Sutton has 324 career wins. There's something to be said of career longevity.
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WHO GIVES A FUCK ABOUT DONT SUTTON.
dont we have a baseball thread already?
I'll go get it.
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I'm sick of all the sport bullshit on these pages. Rhett, punk was very important. True, it's irrelevant now, but whether or not the Pistols were first or not or how many records they put out, etc., shouldn't disqualify them. And baseball's rules have nothing to do with music, so you can't compare the two.
However, I do agree that Gram Parsons should definitely be in, as well as the Stooges... the rest of the choices are questionable. I love Patti and like the Pistols, but "Metal Box" was much better than "Bollocks." The J. Geils Band? Give me a fucking break! And I like Grandmaster Flash, but don't know if he deserves the nod...
So, Gram and Iggy, those are my choices.
And I know a few people who love Randy Newman, so he'll probably make it, as will Skynyrd, even though they annoy the shit out of me.
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here are my choices:
grandmaster flash
sex pistols
stooges
U2
don sutton
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The Swanky Modes
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
here are my choices:
grandmaster flash
sex pistols
stooges
U2
don sutton
Dude, how many albums did Don Sutton have?
Bo Jackson was better than Don Sutton!
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I propose a moratorium on the sports thing. Don't care for them, and this the 9:30 Club not ESPN. Huey Lewis named a record after sports...how much more un-rock'n'roll can you get??
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Dude, how many albums did Don Sutton have?
Bo Jackson was better than Don Sutton!
:)
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Dude, how many albums did Don Sutton have?
Bo Jackson was better than Don Sutton!
:)
I was champion at the warehouse I worked in around 1996. I think I was the Bills that year.
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The Lovin' Spoonful, ZZ Top and Queen get into the RRHOF and the Sex Pistols have not ?? WTF ?? Anyhow, they usually pick 6 or 7 acts so this year I predict: U2, Pretenders, Sex Pistols, The Stooges, O'Jays, Randy Newman, Lynyrd Skynyrd.
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
here are my choices:
grandmaster flash
sex pistols
stooges
U2
don sutton
Dude, how many albums did Don Sutton have?
Bo Jackson was better than Don Sutton!
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Bo didn't know career longevity.
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Dude, how many albums did Don Sutton have?
Bo Jackson was better than Don Sutton!
:)
I always like Walter Payton or Christian Okoye on Tecmo Bowl
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patti smith
grandmaster flash
randy newman
and despite being a u2 groupie, i think they can wait a few more years.
btw, if you have not been to the rrhof, GO! i spent 6 hours in there last winter, and only 2 hours was the u2 exhibit. though you mnight to go during warmer weather and catch a football (if you like football). not much goes on during the winter, though it i got a 3 star hotel room for $60 and a an $80 ticket on southwest so it was cheap cheap cheap.
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Grandmaster Flash and The Furious Five
Buddy Guy
J. Geils Band
Lynyrd Skynyrd
Randy Newman
O' Jays
Gram Parsons
Pretenders
Sex Pistols
Percy Sledge
Patti Smith
Stooges
Conway Twitty
U2
Wanda Jackson
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Nirvana = Limp Bizkit = Sex Pistols
(that should piss some people off)
Not piss off..but it's just not a logical comparison. Especially with Limp Bizkit in that equation.
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NEW YORK - Grandmaster Flash & the Furious Five are among the nominees for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame â?? the first rap artists to get that distinction â?? joining U2, Randy Newman (news) and the O'Jays on the ballot.
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Getting his start as a DJ at Bronx parties in the late 1970s, Grandmaster Flash later joined with the Furious Five for the social commentary of "The Message" and "White Lines (Don't Don't Do It").
Other nominees include blues guitarist Buddy Guy, rockabilly pioneer Wanda Jackson, rock band the Pretenders, soul singer Percy Sledge, "Centerfold" singers the J. Geils Band and the late country singer Conway Twitty.
Previous nominees on the ballot: the Sex Pistols, Patti Smith (news), the Stooges, Lynyrd Skynyrd and Gram Parsons (news).
Singers of "Back Stabbers" and a string of other soulful hits, the O'Jays had their chart heyday in the 1970s. A singer of satirical songs like "Short People," Newman is now one of the Hollywood's most successful composers of movie music.
Musicians, industry professionals and journalists vote, and results of the 20th annual election will likely be announced in December. Artists are eligible to be inducted into the Rock Hall after at least 25 years have passed since their first record was released.
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Originally posted by Sugartastic Tee Silk:
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Nirvana = Limp Bizkit = Sex Pistols
(that should piss some people off)
Not piss off..but it's just not a logical comparison. Especially with Limp Bizkit in that equation. [/b]
isnt Limp Bizkit the one who REALLY got that rap-rock stuff started? i mean we all know that Korn and others were first but they made it the "in" thing. Didnt Nirvana and Sex Pistols do the same thing?
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
isnt Limp Bizkit the one who REALLY got that rap-rock stuff started? [/QB]
Anthrax and Faith No More did it way before and much, much better.
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
isnt Limp Bizkit the one who REALLY got that rap-rock stuff started? [/b]
Anthrax and Faith No More did it way before and much, much better. [/QB]
of course.
but were they really all that popular? they were both lumped into the heavy metal bands. and Anthrax did do THAT much rapping.
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
isnt Limp Bizkit the one who REALLY got that rap-rock stuff started? [/b]
Anthrax and Faith No More did it way before and much, much better. [/b]
of course.
but were they really all that popular? they were both lumped into the heavy metal bands. and Anthrax did do THAT much rapping. [/QB]
Since when does anyone around here care about popular? I though popular meant uncool. :p
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No. That was the Beastie Boys.
(kidding. so don't go over the edge!) Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by Sugartastic Tee Silk:
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Nirvana = Limp Bizkit = Sex Pistols
(that should piss some people off)
Not piss off..but it's just not a logical comparison. Especially with Limp Bizkit in that equation. [/b]
isnt Limp Bizkit the one who REALLY got that rap-rock stuff started? i mean we all know that Korn and others were first but they made it the "in" thing. Didnt Nirvana and Sex Pistols do the same thing? [/b]
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Originally posted by Sugartastic Tee Silk:
No. That was the Beastie Boys.
(kidding. so don't go over the edge!)
ha.