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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: walkonby on October 07, 2008, 10:59:00 am
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/06/AR2008100602935.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/06/AR2008100602935.html)
palin accuses obama of association with a terrorist, which leads one man in the audience to scream, "kill him." nice.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buyVS9fRqkw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buyVS9fRqkw)
mccain at a rally, where he asks, "who is obama?" where a man in the audience screams terrorist, and every else laughs. double nice.
i guess the new mccain/palin platform is that "obama is a terrorist . . . and you know what america does to terrorists." (wink , wink)
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the GOP has all sorts of solid ideas, yet it is hanging its election hopes on "obama is a terrorist"? their ticket to the white house is a lie?
whatever it takes, right?
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Does Sarah Palin owe tens of thousands of dollars in back taxes?
You betcha! (http://www.wearevotingyes.com/2008/10/sarah-palin-owes-tens-of-thousands-in.html)
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i wonder if she feels that appearing on snl, will do a miracle . . . ala clinton on arsenio?
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Originally posted by callat703:
Does Sarah Palin owe tens of thousands of dollars in back taxes?
You betcha! (http://www.wearevotingyes.com/2008/10/sarah-palin-owes-tens-of-thousands-in.html)
reminder: paying taxes is NOT patriotic.
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What are the odds that she actually knew who Bill Ayers was a month ago?
Does she know what he's done with his life since the 60's?
Does she see that her going on and on about Ayers and Wright while she has a preacher friend who just so happens to be a witch doctor and a husband who has much closer ties to terrorists than Obama (Alaskan Independence Party) is just a wee bit hypocritical?
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Originally posted by azaghal1981:
Does she see that her going on and on about Ayers and Wright while she has a preacher friend who just so happens to be a witch doctor and a husband who has much closer ties to terrorists than Obama (Alaskan Independence Party) is just a wee bit hypocritical?
if you could tell me who the alaskan independence party tried to kill (http://www.city-journal.org/2008/eon0430jm.html), i'd appreciate it.
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how about johnny mac's old buddy g. gordon liddy?
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don't even go there; the g. man will kill you with a pencil.
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Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
how about johnny mac's old buddy g. gordon liddy?
mccain was in the military. . .i bet he knew a lot of people.
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obama lived in chicago, i bet he knew a lot of people
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Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
obama lived in chicago, i bet he knew a lot of people
yet, as the L.A. Times notes "Obama displayed not just poor political judgment but a lack of moral imagination," which is what the media says everytime an unsavory character emerges from behind the obama charade. . .oh, and he's a white sox fan. . .i mean, come on.
g. gordon liddy committed burglary and trespassing. . .ayers and his wife are avowed and unrepentant terrorists who readily committed terrorist acts and actively supported the murder and attempted murder of countless people across the u.s. . .
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wait, when has liddy EVER repented for plotting to kill john anderson, plotting to firebomb the brookings institute or plotting kidnap protesters. he even wrote about it in a book which he profitted from. mccain appeared on the man's radio show just 5 months ago, which to me points to a stronger relationship than obama to ayers. liddy didnt just plot to kill people, he tried to kill democracy, and mccain took money from him and helped liddy make money this year. i dont see how we're supposed to care about ayers and not liddy
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here we go...obamas past coming back to haunt him in the last month...rut row.
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but obama can body surf.
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Not exactly.
Hillary tried this during her campaign's last breaths and it failed miserably then. This is undoubtedly a desperation move that will either backfire, plunging McCain's numbers even lower or leave things as they are. Yes, at this point, I think it's fair to say that the election is Obama's to lose. If he doesn't commit any grave political errors in the next month, he's home free.
Originally posted by manimtired:
here we go...obamas past coming back to haunt him in the last month...rut row.
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i dont know that its obama's election to lose, but i think voters want to hear more about the tanking market rather than crimes from 40-20 years ago
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i'm just glad that the Obama camp is finally bring up McCain's connection with Keating... i certainly hope more is said about his ties with lobbiests
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Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
wait, when has liddy EVER repented for plotting to kill john anderson, plotting to firebomb the brookings institute or plotting kidnap protesters. he even wrote about it in a book which he profitted from. mccain appeared on the man's radio show just 5 months ago, which to me points to a stronger relationship than obama to ayers. liddy didnt just plot to kill people, he tried to kill democracy, and mccain took money from him and helped liddy make money this year. i dont see how we're supposed to care about ayers and not liddy
really? really? how on earth can you even compare the two?
i'm reminded of the scene from "12 angry men" where, to use the jack lemmon/george c. scott version, they are arguing over the words "i want to kill you" and george c. scott clings to those words as proof that the son committed the murder. . .jack lemmon carefully refutes his points, whereupon george c. scott lunges across the table says "i want to kill you". . .jack lemmon causually says, "surely you don't really mean that."
that's what we have here. . .plotting vs. throwing firebombs to kill, maim and injure. . .
now, i have no doubt that obama (i can't necessarily say the same about his more fervent supporters) does not support the violent overthrow of the u.s. and the capitalistic system (unlike ayers and his wife). . .but i am concerned that obama is trying with all his might to hide this relationship. why? it's almost a known fact that he knew ayers several years before he claims to have met him; it's a fact that ayers helped get obama on his education program; it's a fact that obama helped channel funds to ayers and his education program (nevermind that that project was an abject failure and a waste of millions of dollars, nor their work together on the woods foundation); yet, at each turn, obama says it's no big deal, he's just some guy from the neighborhood. while they do live in the same neighborhood, ayers is not simply some guy in the neighborhood.
even cnn (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvROBLortBQ) weighs in on this. . .and does a much better job than the ny times, not surprisingly.
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Originally posted by kosmo:
i'm just glad that the Obama camp is finally bring up McCain's connection with Keating... i certainly hope more is said about his ties with lobbiests
In a confidential report submitted to the committee on Sept. 10, the special counsel, Robert S. Bennett, concluded that there was not adequate evidence to merit a full-scale investigation of John Glenn, an Ohio Democrat, and John McCain, an Arizona Republican, several officials said. (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0CE4DA133EF93AA1575AC0A966958260). . .
I'd also recommend reading this (http://meganmcardle.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/10/the_five_is_alive.php).
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Just...wow:
http://washingtonindependent.com/10456/hate-mail-in-communist-county (http://washingtonindependent.com/10456/hate-mail-in-communist-county)
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i wouldnt get too comfy just yet...polls are getting tighter.
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE4961BK20081007?sp=true (http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE4961BK20081007?sp=true)
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Originally posted by manimtired:
i wouldnt get too comfy just yet...polls are getting tighter.
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE4961BK20081007?sp=true (http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE4961BK20081007?sp=true)
not according to gallup which has the biggest sample..
51-42...
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zogby was the closest in calling the 2004 election.
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Originally posted by manimtired:
i wouldnt get too comfy just yet...polls are getting tighter.
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE4961BK20081007?sp=true (http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE4961BK20081007?sp=true)
Actually, they're not, as your statement ignores the fact that this is the largest lead that Obama has had in the Zogby poll since July 9 - July 13. Try using facts next time.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html#polls (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html#polls)
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ok..there is a poll that has the race at 2 points too...is that also a big lie im trying to push on this here message board.
try not boring people with your band as openers next time. LOL.
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Originally posted by callat703:
Just...wow:
http://washingtonindependent.com/10456/hate-mail-in-communist-county (http://washingtonindependent.com/10456/hate-mail-in-communist-county)
i think we can all agree that this type of stuff is terrible. . .i have a friend here at work that wears her mccain/palin button on her coat and won't walk into the local coffee shop anymore with it on for fear of what extras will go into her order; she gets looks and glares from people on the street all the time.
on the other hand, she relays to me a story from the other day. . she was walking to lunch and came across a table full of cindy sheehan supporters, drumming up support for her race against nancy pelosi. one of sheehan's supporters runs up to her, sees her mccain/palin button and stops, unsure of what to do. . .the supporter than walks up and says, "she [sheehan] can't be any worse than nancy pelosi, can she?"
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
really? really? how on earth can you even compare the two?
i'm reminded of the scene from "12 angry men" where, to use the jack lemmon/george c. scott version, they are arguing over the words "i want to kill you" and george c. scott clings to those words as proof that the son committed the murder. . .jack lemmon carefully refutes his points, whereupon george c. scott lunges across the table says "i want to kill you". . .jack lemmon causually says, "surely you don't really mean that."
that's what we have here. . .plotting vs. throwing firebombs to kill, maim and injure. . .
now, i have no doubt that obama (i can't necessarily say the same about his more fervent supporters) does not support the violent overthrow of the u.s. and the capitalistic system (unlike ayers and his wife). . .but i am concerned that obama is trying with all his might to hide this relationship. why? it's almost a known fact that he knew ayers several years before he claims to have met him; it's a fact that ayers helped get obama on his education program; it's a fact that obama helped channel funds to ayers and his education program (nevermind that that project was an abject failure and a waste of millions of dollars, nor their work together on the woods foundation); yet, at each turn, obama says it's no big deal, he's just some guy from the neighborhood. while they do live in the same neighborhood, ayers is not simply some guy in the neighborhood.
even cnn (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvROBLortBQ) weighs in on this. . .and does a much better job than the ny times, not surprisingly.
i dont have cnn at work, but the comparison is apt. both candidates associate with folks that did terrible, antiamerican things in the past that the candidate had nothing to do with (or with keating little). i dont see how you can completely dismiss one and not the other. i know that the gop doesnt want to talk about issues, but theyre going to have to go a heck of a long way to make this the election
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it would appear that as usual Republicans are teflon coated and Democrats are covered in fly paper :roll:
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Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
i dont have cnn at work, but the comparison is apt. both candidates associate with folks that did terrible, antiamerican things in the past that the candidate had nothing to do with (or with keating little). i dont see how you can completely dismiss one and not the other. i know that the gop doesnt want to talk about issues, but theyre going to have to go a heck of a long way to make this the election
i can compare it because where along the road to john mccain's path to congress and the senate did g. gordon liddy factor in? did g. gordon liddy smooth mccain's entrance into the naval academy? did g. gordon liddy hire mccain as naval congressional affairs rep after vietnam? did john mccain announce his run for congress from the home of g. gordon liddy? was g. gordon liddy a long-time benefactor of john mccain? in all those instances, the answer is no...but in the role bill ayers played in the construction of barack obama, ayers most definately played a major role, both in obama becoming a politician and in obamas own personal values and beliefs about this country (but not the terrorism parts).
as for keating, mccain most definately learned something from that. . after all, it's called "mccain-feingold" and not just "feingold"
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Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
i dont know that its obama's election to lose, but i think voters want to hear more about the tanking market rather than crimes from 40-20 years ago
stop trying to change the subject - we're trying to ignore the real subject :p
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
Originally posted by kosmo:
i'm just glad that the Obama camp is finally bring up McCain's connection with Keating... i certainly hope more is said about his ties with lobbiests
In a confidential report submitted to the committee on Sept. 10, the special counsel, Robert S. Bennett, concluded that there was not adequate evidence to merit a full-scale investigation of John Glenn, an Ohio Democrat, and John McCain, an Arizona Republican, several officials said. (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0CE4DA133EF93AA1575AC0A966958260). . . [/b]
Mr McCain was one of five senators - known as the Keating Five - to be investigated by a Senate ethics panel over their intervention with banking regulators on behalf of Keating.
He was found to be less involved with Keating than the other senators but was criticised for "poor judgement".
Mr McCain has himself described the affair as "the worst mistake of my life", and one which led him to sponsor legislation on campaign finance reform. (source (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7656382.stm))
on the upside, this may be one of the few times in recent memory that a republican leader admitted he was wrong, and did something to correct it.
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you've gone from linking an article that calls the connection "too tenuous to be interesting" to making ayers obama's political mentor in one page. how about that stock market?
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your point on the stock market being???
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thats what is important to voters, and i dont think mccain is going to be able to control the news cycle with the ayers attacks
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Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
you've gone from linking an article that calls the connection "too tenuous to be interesting" to making ayers obama's political mentor in one page. how about that stock market?
i would not buy gold at this particular time. . .buy it when low and hold on to it for times like these. however, campbells. . .that's a stock to hold on to.
the link may be "too tenous" but mcardle goes on to state that there is something there to go after. and, obama has not adequately explained his relationship with bill ayers, instead, he continues to obfuscate and dance around it. but, you're right, i have no idea what, if any, real substantive role ayers played, but it sure seems like ayers was there a lot of the time.
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
you've gone from linking an article that calls the connection "too tenuous to be interesting" to making ayers obama's political mentor in one page. how about that stock market?
i would not buy gold at this particular time. . .buy it when low and hold on to it for times like these. however, campbells. . .that's a stock to hold on to.
the link may be "too tenous" but mcardle goes on to state that there is something there to go after. and, obama has not adequately explained his relationship with bill ayers, instead, he continues to obfuscate and dance around it. but, you're right, i have no idea what, if any, real substantive role ayers played, but it sure seems like ayers was there a lot of the time. [/b]
you do know, that unless you horde it in swiss bank accounts, the government will steal (i mean seize) your gold for the good of the country.
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Originally posted by walkonby:
you do know, that unless you horde it in swiss bank accounts, the government will steal (i mean seize) your gold for the good of the country.
tell that to god's shoeshine. . he's the one who said to buy gold in another thread.
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hell, i buy gold. i hide it in the cat box.
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Of course McCain regrets his association with Keating after getting BUSTED and having it blow up in his face. And he's used that "greatest mistake of my life" line elsewhere - e.g. the failure of his first marriage following 43 year old McCain's affair with 25 year old debutante Cindy - who went on to bankroll his political career and life.
He'll REACT as politically necessary, but what are his natural instincts? His instincts appear to be aligned with the rich - even if they are corrupt - unless it becomes politically necessary to act otherwise.
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man shot for wearing obama shirt. looks like the new platform is working already!!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1070975/Man-shot-times-street-racist-gunman--wearing-Barack-Obama-T-shirt.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1070975/Man-shot-times-street-racist-gunman--wearing-Barack-Obama-T-shirt.html)
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at least the USA isnt the only racist country on earth...
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Originally posted by Mobius:
Of course McCain regrets his association with Keating after getting BUSTED and having it blow up in his face. And he's used that "greatest mistake of my life" line elsewhere - e.g. the failure of his first marriage following 43 year old McCain's affair with 25 year old debutante Cindy - who went on to bankroll his political career and life.
He'll REACT as politically necessary, but what are his natural instincts? His instincts appear to be aligned with the rich - even if they are corrupt - unless it becomes politically necessary to act otherwise.
im surprised he didnt say "those werent the people i knew" line...seems to work for the bama.
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Make Believe Maverick
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain (http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain)
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great source
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
obama lived in chicago, i bet he knew a lot of people
yet, as the L.A. Times notes "Obama displayed not just poor political judgment but a lack of moral imagination," which is what the media says everytime an unsavory character emerges from behind the obama charade. . .oh, and he's a white sox fan. . .i mean, come on.
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the obama charade? and after all of those intelligent LA Times quoting posts, you come to that? he's probably even a white guy with a lot of makeup on too?
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Originally posted by manimtired:
great source
newsflash: RS has some excellent political writers. as one of the commentators noted, "Sorry, but this is news. You may not like the conclusions but it is consistent with McCain's inconsistency. Don't expect individual writers to provide you with a CrossFire style point, counter point. This article is well researched, and does include the opinions of others (with comparable credential to McCain and plenty of expertise on what they are discussing).
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mmmm-k
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old man shows class toward the guy who is going to win.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI0iIOqPGak (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI0iIOqPGak)
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getting closer
http://zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1575 (http://zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1575)
waiting for 703guy to call this poll a lie...
wait for it.....
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i dont really believe the polls but at least show the map if youre making that point
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do people on here who push poll numbers, take part in these polls? do they really show an exact makeup of the entire country?
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They don't capture any of the cell phone only market. Or the don't have a phone market.
Originally posted by walkonby:
do people on here who push poll numbers, take part in these polls? do they really show an exact makeup of the entire country?
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or the dont answer unknown name/unknown number market
and the bradley effect, assuming that really exists
i have participated in a poll within the last month
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You mean like the one over at fivethirtyeight.com?
<img src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_5ieXw28ZUpg/SOugCWrfwlI/AAAAAAAAAOs/mhVBap_T4Ts/S1600-R/1007_bigmap.png" alt=" - " />
The guy behind this site was Colbert Report last night which in it's entirety one of the shows best. The "town hall" segment at the beginning was absolutely inspired.
http://www.comedycentral.com/colbertreport/full-episodes/index.jhtml?episodeId=187363 (http://www.comedycentral.com/colbertreport/full-episodes/index.jhtml?episodeId=187363)
And according to the fact checkers on NPR, McCain is spewing utter nonsense about any fine on business not providing health care in Obama's health care plan. In general McCain spewed nonsense all night and came off as a arrogant, out of touch old man.
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Originally posted by manimtired:
getting closer
http://zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1575 (http://zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1575)
waiting for 703guy to call this poll a lie...
wait for it.....
I'm not going to call it a lie - and your last post WAS misleading. To say that the last Zogby poll reflected a tightening of the race is simply wrong, given that the previous Zogby poll had a closer race. This poll would imply that it is slightly closer today than yesterday - but again, you're dealing with four total data points, instead of looking at polling across the board.
You want a clearer picture of what's happening? Look at the state polls and look at the national averages. This race is not getting closer, and the debate last night did not change that.
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McCain: Obama 'not presidential' (http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/10/08/vo.ad.mccain.folks.McCainforPres)
The latest John McCain ad says Barack Obama is "not presidential" and accuses "folks" of lying.
excellent ad. totally getting to the issues, once again :roll: this ad is as confused as mccain's talking style. it's all over the place, unfocused, and doesn't back what it is saying... when not lying. good work there, GOP. this is the type of stuff that turns a campaign around.
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lying? do you think obama is lying when he says "thats not the "racist pastor/domestic terrorist" i knew"...
dont get all huffy..but do you really think he is telling the truth when he says that?
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Originally posted by manimtired:
lying? do you think obama is lying when he says "thats not the "racist pastor/domestic terrorist" i knew"...
dont get all huffy..but do you really think he is telling the truth when he says that?
again, changing the subject... i was talking about mccain's lying, and your immediate reply is "yeah, well, obama lies too!". great defense - so you admit that mccain lies?
and yes, i believe obama when he says that the person he worked with on community projects isn't the same man, in terms of beliefs and character, as the one who was part of these organizations in the 1960's.
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then you are an idiot.
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Originally posted by sweetcell:
McCain: Obama 'not presidential' (http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/10/08/vo.ad.mccain.folks.McCainforPres)
The latest John McCain ad says Barack Obama is "not presidential" and accuses "folks" of lying.
excellent ad. totally getting to the issues, once again :roll: this ad is as confused as mccain's talking style. it's all over the place, unfocused, and doesn't back what it is saying... when not lying. good work there, GOP. this is the type of stuff that turns a campaign around.
lets see John F. Kennedy served six years as a Congressmen and four years as a Senator... Would he be considered not "presidential" by today's standards?
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"I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America. I point the finger in their face and say 'you helped this happen.'"
Jerry Falwell on the 700 Club shortly after 9/11 ...
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i suppose this could become an issue as well
http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7012579898 (http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7012579898)
wait..its all over the news. lol.
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Originally posted by manimtired:
i suppose this could become an issue as well
http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7012579898 (http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7012579898)
wait..its all over the news. lol.
well your an idiot if you think this is the first time there have irregularities or dirty tricks involving voter registration on behalf of both parties...
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I've come to the conclusion that manimtired is a troll making up arguments to get everyone all riled up. There is just no way anyone could be this stupid.
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Originally posted by Relaxer:
I've come to the conclusion that manimtired is a troll making up arguments to get everyone all riled up. There is just no way anyone could be this stupid.
Is there any way to come to an agreement that we all just ignore him? Is it just too tempting to respond?
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Originally posted by kosmo:
Originally posted by manimtired:
i suppose this could become an issue as well
http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7012579898 (http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7012579898)
wait..its all over the news. lol.
well your an idiot if you think this is the first time there have irregularities or dirty tricks involving voter registration on behalf of both parties... [/b]
no, YOURE an idiot.
its very easy to get you guys worked up...you guys just keep thinking you have this in the bag and its very "lol" as i would say.
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and how was that link or me bringing up obamas shady past idiotic? i think you just dont want the hear it...
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Originally posted by callat703:
Originally posted by Relaxer:
I've come to the conclusion that manimtired is a troll making up arguments to get everyone all riled up. There is just no way anyone could be this stupid.
Is there any way to come to an agreement that we all just ignore him? Is it just too tempting to respond? [/b]
you know i think it's time for our favorite Mankie to wander on in and point out that in the end the popular vote doesn't win the race for president and that it's the electoral college.... and my last comment is that it's fun watching those red states turn blue...
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Remember when someone hacked into Palin's email account and someone on here said the hacker couldn't possibly have had political motivations, that hackers only hack for the joy of it?
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/08/palin.hacker/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/08/palin.hacker/index.html)
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
Remember when someone hacked into Palin's email account and someone on here said the hacker couldn't possibly have had political motivations, that hackers only hack for the joy of it?
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/08/palin.hacker/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/08/palin.hacker/index.html)
That was me. It was also before I knew that the way the kid got into her email account was exploiting Yahoo's security measures...which isn't really hacking at all.
But yep - I admit that I was likely wrong on that one, though being the son of a Democrat doesn't necessarily make it politically motivated.
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Originally posted by callat703:
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
Remember when someone hacked into Palin's email account and someone on here said the hacker couldn't possibly have had political motivations, that hackers only hack for the joy of it?
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/08/palin.hacker/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/08/palin.hacker/index.html)
That was me. It was also before I knew that the way the kid got into her email account was exploiting Yahoo's security measures...which isn't really hacking at all.
But yep - I admit that I was likely wrong on that one, though being the son of a Democrat doesn't make it politically motivated. [/b]
of course not :roll:
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Gallup: Obama +11
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Originally posted by Relaxer:
I've come to the conclusion that manimtired is a troll making up arguments to get everyone all riled up. There is just no way anyone could be this stupid.
i'm of the opinion that he is both a troll AND that stupid.
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What makes John McCain 'presidential'? He's just an old bureaucrat who married into money. Nothing special.
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Originally posted by sweetcell:
Originally posted by Relaxer:
I've come to the conclusion that manimtired is a troll making up arguments to get everyone all riled up. There is just no way anyone could be this stupid.
i'm of the opinion that he is both a troll AND that stupid. [/b]
you sir...have no room to talk on the stupidity issue. cry about it.
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Originally posted by Mobius:
What makes John McCain 'presidential'? He's just an old bureaucrat who married into money. Nothing special.
did you vote for john kerry?
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Originally posted by manimtired:
Originally posted by Mobius:
What makes John McCain 'presidential'? He's just an old bureaucrat who married into money. Nothing special.
did you vote for john kerry? [/b]
did you?
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god no
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Originally posted by callat703:
Gallup: Obama +11
this is getting ugly quick.
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Originally posted by very sonick:
Originally posted by callat703:
Gallup: Obama +11
this is getting ugly quick. [/b]
what about the poll i posted?
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Foo Fighters demand that John McCain cease using "My Hero" at campaign appearances. (http://www.wearevotingyes.com/2008/10/foo-fighters-fed-up.html)
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wow..then that does it.
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This is a solid article about the daily polling, and why it is likely that the polls will narrow up a bit:
http://openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=8934 (http://openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=8934)
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Originally posted by callat703:
Foo Fighters demand that John McCain cease using "My Hero" at campaign appearances. (http://www.wearevotingyes.com/2008/10/foo-fighters-fed-up.html)
It would appear fact checking and learning from one's mistakes isn't a real strong point of the McCain campaign... Doesn't this make at least 5 songs they've used without permission. Not to mention the picture of the wrong Walter Reed named facility they used without permission during the acceptance speech. And how about Palin's gaffe where she misstated the Albright quote this last weekend.
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the foo fighters write music for nfl kick offs ..should this not be expected?
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Andrew Sullivan nails this one. These really are voices to make a nation cry. Witness the consequence of the type of campaign John McCain has engaged in.
Note: racial slurs, so be careful at work.
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/10/im-voting-for-h.html (http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/10/im-voting-for-h.html)
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he is racist. you nailed it once again. good job. great band.
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If y'all really want to know one of the reasons why I can't believe that people are falling for Obama's hope/change message, Victor Davis Hanson (http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YzI2MWRmYTM3NTYwNmU4MDlkODI4MjM0YmRmZmM4NTY=) explains it (this posting notes that Obama kept in contact with Bill Ayers until 2005, when Obama was elected to the Senate):
"Indeed, there is a disturbing pattern here. Obama's once-close radical Chicago associates are never jettisoned out of principle, but only at the 11th-hour when they became impediments to Obama's political career. Thus Wright is defended throughout his racist rantings, until he makes the unfortunate decision of bringing that hatred to DC's elite nexus at the National Press Club â?? and only then is immediately dropped, as Obama resigns from Trinity Church. Ditto Ayers. What made Obama cease communciations with Ayers was not the latter's radicalism (indeed Obama facilitated it by serving with Ayers to dispense millions to questionable organizations), nor even Ayers' boasts in 2001 of having no regrets about trying to blow up government buildings. Instead, 2005 coincides with Obama's ascension to the Senate and the plan to begin running for the Presidency â?? and thus Ayers, like Wright later, became expendable. Ditto Rezko, Pfleger et al."
I'd also point out Mark Halperin's interview (http://thepage.time.com/video-halperin-chats-with-gibbs-in-nashville/) with Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs on this issue.
All of this is to say that. . .Obama's experience does not seem to live up to his own expectations for a politician, and is, instead, nothing more than a cold, calculating desire to succeed in politics, and that the only higher calling he's seeking is him having more power.
Btw, the best part of last night's debate was Obama pointing out, in a negative way, that Delaware has favorable laws for credit card companies. Certainly Obama could have instead pointed to Connecticut and insurance companies, instead of the home state of his VP. Otherwise, it was boring and didn't accomplish much of anything for either one. Oh, and I'm getting sick and tired of Obama and Biden blaming deregulation for this economic mess, which everyone from Bill Clinton and Bob Rubin to Sebastian Mallaby has said is not the cause.
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congratulatons, you are the first person in history to catch a politician having political aspirations :)
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
congratulatons, you are the first person in history to catch a politician lying.[/QB]
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
If y'all really want to know one of the reasons why I can't believe that people are falling for Obama's hope/change message, Victor Davis Hanson (http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YzI2MWRmYTM3NTYwNmU4MDlkODI4MjM0YmRmZmM4NTY=) explains it (this posting notes that Obama kept in contact with Bill Ayers until 2005, when Obama was elected to the Senate)...
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nkotb...looking at the old myspace thread i see i went to high school with your wife. small world.
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Originally posted by nkotb:
congratulatons, you are the first person in history to catch a politician having political aspirations :)
very true. . .but obama's whole schtick is that he's a different type of politician, one that can bring americans together, hope/change, et al. . .all i'm pointing out is that nowhere in his history or experience is that true, and, frankly, is in fact nothing more than old fashioned political pandering designed to get himself elected, whatever the costs and whatever he has to say to do that.
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Originally posted by manimtired:
nkotb...looking at the old myspace thread i see i went to high school with your wife. small world.
hilarious! cause , my wife went to high school with nkotb. even smaller world!
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no kiddin...crazy stuff!!
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
I can't believe that people are falling for Obama's hope/change message
blaming the voters, how liberal of you
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
Originally posted by nkotb:
congratulatons, you are the first person in history to catch a politician having political aspirations :)
very true. . .but obama's whole schtick is that he's a different type of politician, one that can bring americans together, hope/change, et al. . .all i'm pointing out is that nowhere in his history or experience is that true, and, frankly, is in fact nothing more than old fashioned political pandering designed to get himself elected, whatever the costs and whatever he has to say to do that. [/b]
but i still dont get why you think its different from every other presidential candidate?
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Yeah, that's totally weird. I tried to PM you, manimtired, but for some reason, you're on both my Ignore list AND Buddy list, so I can't. Odd...considering I have the South Carroll connection with sonick's wife.
The 9:30 Forum...what a world!
Originally posted by very sonick:
Originally posted by manimtired:
nkotb...looking at the old myspace thread i see i went to high school with your wife. small world.
hilarious! cause , my wife went to high school with nkotb. even smaller world! [/b]
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjxzmaXAg9E (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjxzmaXAg9E)
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how long before this is in a tv ad
another stellar endorsement
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/?pageId=77539 (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/?pageId=77539)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJghQMq49dw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJghQMq49dw)
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ill think my youtube video is a tad bit more harmful. lol.
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no one cares what farrakhan says
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Originally posted by xneverwherex:
Im just disgusted to learn that Palin is dropping the puck at the Flyers/Rangers game Saturday night. Im right now thinking of all the bad things that could go wrong (or hope go wrong).
she is going to be boo'ed, which will have one of two effects: make her and her handlers look stupid ("why did they put her out there?"), or get her some sympathy ("poor palin, being mistreated by those mean ol'hockey fans"). i'm thinking that her campaign managers are planning on the latter. normally i'd say that's a pretty crafty move, but the GOP's PR strategy machine has been in reverse recently so i'm reserving judgment.
Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
no one cares what farrakhan says
well, people in the "obama is a terrorist" camp will care about this endorsement, but theirs minds are already made up.
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Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
no one cares what farrakhan says
million man march?
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Originally posted by manimtired:
Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
no one cares what farrakhan says
million man march? [/b]
are you saying obama just locked up a million votes? cool :p
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people care about the economy and little else right now. obama has denounced and rejected farrakhan's endorcement since farrakhan made that speech. so yeah, go ahead and make that the message while capitalism collapes. sounds pretty out of touch to me
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Originally posted by sweetcell:
Originally posted by manimtired:
Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
no one cares what farrakhan says
million man march? [/b]
are you saying obama just locked up a million votes? cool :p [/b]
or maybe it turns off about a couple million more people...
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its been out there for 7 months
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it hasnt really been "out there" per say...
it was just on rush limbaugh...it will really be "out there" soon...
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farrakhan's endorsement was indeed out there by itself. he was asked the question by tim russert in the primary debates
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well i guess it seems to be resurfacing ...
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Originally posted by manimtired:
it hasnt really been "out there" per say...
it was just on rush limbaugh...it will really be "out there" soon...
lol at you listening to Rush Limbuagh.
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its really shocking.
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Originally posted by manimtired:
its really shocking.
you forgot the /elaborate.
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Thoughts on John McCain's most recent campaign tactics, and the dangers they present. (http://www.wearevotingyes.com/2008/10/john-mccain-please-put-country-first.html)
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i thought this was pretty scary too:
The crowds that show up for his rallies these days appear to have little appetite for the talk of bipartisan compromise that had been at the heart of his message around the Republican National Convention. During a rally outside a small airport in Mosinee, Wis., on Thursday, McCain said that "it's time we come together, Democrats and Republicans to work together. That's my record. I'll reach across the aisle."
The crowd stood silent.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/09/AR2008100903169_pf.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/09/AR2008100903169_pf.html)
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Originally posted by callat703:
Thoughts on John McCain's most recent campaign tactics, and the dangers they present. (http://www.wearevotingyes.com/2008/10/john-mccain-please-put-country-first.html)
lame
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Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
i thought this was pretty scary too:
The crowds that show up for his rallies these days appear to have little appetite for the talk of bipartisan compromise that had been at the heart of his message around the Republican National Convention. During a rally outside a small airport in Mosinee, Wis., on Thursday, McCain said that "it's time we come together, Democrats and Republicans to work together. That's my record. I'll reach across the aisle."
The crowd stood silent.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/09/AR2008100903169_pf.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/09/AR2008100903169_pf.html) [/b]
im sure you think "coming together" is the right giving into left wing policies so no thanks.
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i didnt say that
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Originally posted by manimtired:
Originally posted by callat703:
Thoughts on John McCain's most recent campaign tactics, and the dangers they present. (http://www.wearevotingyes.com/2008/10/john-mccain-please-put-country-first.html)
lame [/b]
Yet another in a seemingly endless supply of eloquent and well though out replies.
Ladies and gentlemen, may I present to you manimtired - the very essense of the "lowest common denominator" campaign approach referenced in the above article.
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Originally posted by chaz:
Originally posted by manimtired:
Originally posted by callat703:
Thoughts on John McCain's most recent campaign tactics, and the dangers they present. (http://www.wearevotingyes.com/2008/10/john-mccain-please-put-country-first.html)
lame [/b]
Yet another in a seemingly endless supply of eloquent and well though out replies.
Ladies and gentlemen, may I present to you manimtired - the very essense of the "lowest common denominator" campaign approach referenced in the above article. [/b]
i felt the "please play nice republicans" feel to the posted link was "lame"...what else would you like to know chaz?
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Originally posted by manimtired:
Originally posted by chaz:
Originally posted by manimtired:
Originally posted by callat703:
Thoughts on John McCain's most recent campaign tactics, and the dangers they present. (http://www.wearevotingyes.com/2008/10/john-mccain-please-put-country-first.html)
lame [/b]
Yet another in a seemingly endless supply of eloquent and well though out replies.
Ladies and gentlemen, may I present to you manimtired - the very essense of the "lowest common denominator" campaign approach referenced in the above article. [/b]
i felt the "please play nice republicans" feel to the posted link was "lame"...what else would you like to know chaz? [/b]
For starters, I'd like to know why you are apparently unable to substatiate any political argument with fact and opions rather than answering questions with questions, one word answers like "lame" etc.
Who is the real manimtired? Tell me about yourself.
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wat?
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also..i know you take this message board VERY seriously but i just dont...k?
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when will republicans and democrates go away so humans beings can solve our problems?
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Originally posted by manimtired:
also..i know you take this message board VERY seriously but i just dont...k?
you spend a lot of time on it though.
funny thing about the internet. cause imagine if this were real life and we were all sitting around talking politics and one guy just kept laughing out loud and blurting out "lame!".
it would be pretty funny i guess, til someone dumped their beer on him.
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you can do this at oasis if you'd like..
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Originally posted by manimtired:
also..i know you take this message board VERY seriously but i just dont...k?
now THAT is funny....
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Originally posted by manimtired:
you can do this at oasis if you'd like..
i sold my tickets when i remembered what a horrible waste of shit the band Oasis is.
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no you didnt.
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Originally posted by manimtired:
no you didnt.
yes, i really did, i am not going. Those tickets were highway freakin robbery and i felt smarter eating $20 and selling them to a friend than i would have felt paying $150 on Oasis with a dash of Ryan Adams.
On another note. Can we really say that the Weather Underground were "terrorists" anyway?
I suppose its another thread but i dont think they are really terrorists.
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yes they were
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Sarah Palin scored a 425 on the verbal section of the SAT? And an 841 overall? Really?
http://buzzfeed.com/scott/sarah-palins-sat-scores (http://buzzfeed.com/scott/sarah-palins-sat-scores)
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Originally posted by callat703:
Sarah Palin scored a 425 on the verbal section of the SAT? And an 841 overall? Really?
http://buzzfeed.com/scott/sarah-palins-sat-scores (http://buzzfeed.com/scott/sarah-palins-sat-scores)
Well if those scores and grades are truly hers, she fits right in with Bush and McCain as acadmemic under-achievers.
But at least they are not terrorists!!!
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smells fishy
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Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
smells fishy
Probably right...
But I will take this opportunity to point out that McCain was the 5th from the bottom in his class at the Naval Academy, and it has been widely reported that if not for his father and grandfather (both 5 star admirals) he would have never made it out of there, much less piloted a jet.
McCain is just as much a study in silver-spoon fed mediocrity as George W.
Not that this has anything to do with the election....just sayin..
Just felt like sharing that.
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Originally posted by very sonick:
Originally posted by manimtired:
no you didnt.
yes, i really did, i am not going. Those tickets were highway freakin robbery and i felt smarter eating $20 and selling them to a friend than i would have felt paying $150 on Oasis with a dash of Ryan Adams.
On another note. Can we really say that the Weather Underground were "terrorists" anyway?
I suppose its another thread but i dont think they are really terrorists. [/b]
not really terrorists? do terrorists have to be arab or something?
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Originally posted by chaz:
Originally posted by callat703:
Sarah Palin scored a 425 on the verbal section of the SAT? And an 841 overall? Really?
http://buzzfeed.com/scott/sarah-palins-sat-scores (http://buzzfeed.com/scott/sarah-palins-sat-scores)
Well if those scores and grades are truly hers, she fits right in with Bush and McCain as acadmemic under-achievers.
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bush scored over 1200 (http://www.insidepolitics.org/heard/heard32300.html) on the sat's. . .
anyway, my sat score was only slightly higher than what's passing around as palin's sat score. i do terrible on standardized tests.
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you go Gore with a freeakin 1355.
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
Originally posted by chaz:
Originally posted by callat703:
Sarah Palin scored a 425 on the verbal section of the SAT? And an 841 overall? Really?
http://buzzfeed.com/scott/sarah-palins-sat-scores (http://buzzfeed.com/scott/sarah-palins-sat-scores)
Well if those scores and grades are truly hers, she fits right in with Bush and McCain as acadmemic under-achievers.
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bush scored over 1200 (http://www.insidepolitics.org/heard/heard32300.html) on the sat's. . .
anyway, my sat score was only slightly higher than what's passing around as palin's sat score. i do terrible on standardized tests. [/b]
I had NO IDEA he was that bright.
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Either did the kid who took it for him
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of all the things to fixate on in this race, sat scores are hardly the most paramount of issues
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Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
of all the things to fixate on in this race, sat scores are hardly the most paramount of issues
You're totally right...that's why I mentioned in my post that it didn't really have anything to do with the election. I just felt like making fun of McCain's poor record at the naval academy.
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Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
of all the things to fixate on in this race, sat scores are hardly the most paramount of issues
agreed. . which is why i posted bush's sat scores to show how ridiculous this is.
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fair enough. i remember scoring much higher on the math sats...and then majoring in english in college. how a multiple choice test for the verbal part is supposed to measure anything is beyond me
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perez hilton pushes out sarah palin music video.
http://perezhilton.com/tv/index.php?ptvid=be9814b476943 (http://perezhilton.com/tv/index.php?ptvid=be9814b476943)
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Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
fair enough. i remember scoring much higher on the math sats...and then majoring in english in college. how a multiple choice test for the verbal part is supposed to measure anything is beyond me
i did terrible on my sat's. . .and i somehow scored even lower on my gre's. . .go figure. course, i majored in history. . .