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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: aba1118 on April 27, 2007, 10:42:00 am
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does anyone know for sure who is back with the pumpkins other than jimmy. i'm wondering who the bassist is gonna be, i'm hoping melissa. and i was wondering about james getting back with them. anyone have insite on this?
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james is out, which sucks, but im sure they can find someone who will be nearly as good......and im pretty sure they are gonna go with melissa for bass.
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i hope your right about melissa, i liked her better with them than the crackhead d'arcy. sucks about james though. o well.
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It appears to b Ginger Reyes on bass and Jeff Schroeder on second guitar.
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Smashing Pumpkins rot.
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More importantly...does anyone actually give a fuck about the smashing pumpkins at this point?
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i am starting to think there are a few people on this board who dont really appreciate music at all!!!
(disclaimer: i am not saying that i like/appreciate/or ever was a fan of the Pumpkins)
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Originally posted by Roadbike Mankie:
More importantly...does anyone actually give a fuck about the smashing pumpkins at this point?
Yes.
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Originally posted by Roadbike Mankie:
More importantly...does anyone actually give a fuck about the smashing pumpkins at this point?
Yes.
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Originally posted by Roadbike Mankie:
More importantly...does anyone actually give a fuck about the smashing pumpkins at this point?
no. billy burned those bridges long ago.
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I predict they rock like crazy and people will love it.
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Originally posted by Roadbike Mankie:
More importantly...does anyone actually give a fuck about the smashing pumpkins at this point?
Why wouldn't they?
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When Smashing Pumpkins released "Siamese Dream" in 1993 and I saw them at the Metro in Chicago the week that record got released, I thought they were going to blow Nirvana right out of the water. They were a better live band than Nirvana (when the Pumpkins were having a good night that is), and I still will put on their first 2 LPs and be blown away by them. I never, ever get an urge to listen to Nirvana. (I know, maybe it's an unfair comparison.) That being said, I think the Pumpkins made some huge mistakes and especially Billy Corgan screwed up a bunch of stuff for that band. He is a big baby. I've met him about 4 times, and only once was he ever civil (and trust me...I only approached him once out of the 4 times). I've never seen any lineup other than the original 4, and I'm sure Melissa is great on bass, but at this point I seriously doubt they will ever release music as good as when had in the early 90's. But I wish them luck, hopefully baby Billy will get what he's looking for. Just my 2 cents.
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I still love Siamese Dream and Gish. I could never get into the other albums though. Also, everytime I saw them perform live on television, they seemed like they sucked, so I never had the desire to see them live.
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Sucked as in, Billy's voice sounds like crap live. Not their music.
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Gish rocked my world...saw them for free about a week after it came out with 100 other people. We'd never heard them before, but it was free so why not....
Bought the record the next day. They really killed live.
That said, i've never had an interest in any of their other albums or seeing them again during their arena years, original lineup or not. But Gish was a shining moment in a blurry drunken year of my life. Good times. Guitars all day and all night. Mudhoney, Nirvana, The Fluid, Stooges, Pumkins, Thee Hypnotics.....things were loud that year.
And Gish was a great album to play while doing the nasty.....just thought I'd mention that.
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Gish was great and all, but I don't think it's even close to the be-all, end-all of the Smashing Pumpkins (or Corgan's) oeuvre. I'm not really willing to pick one album over another. I think they're all pretty damn good in different ways. Probably the only Smashing Pumpkins album I'm not all that crazy about is MACHINA, but I always end up liking it whenever I give it a listen.
I couldn't care less whether Corgan is an asshole or a big baby or an egotist. It should be and is about the music, as far as I'm concerned, and I think it's great stuff. The Smashing Pumpkins are certainly one of the best bands of the '90s. I really enjoyed Zwan, too. I do think Corgan lost his way a bit with TheFutureEmbrace. I believe he's admitted as much, and that's part of why he's reuniting with Jimmy Chamberlin. If they release a new album, I'll be right in line to buy it.
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Siamese Dream was the about the 4th album I ever bought. It was and still remains one of the most amazing albums I've ever heard. My personal take is that as a band they were fantastically interesting album by album. Gish to start things rolling, SD topped it by about a million miles, and Mellon Collie was pretty much insane. Overblown and gargantuan, but still great as far being eclectic and adventurous. I rather the fact that losing jimmy for a while enabled them to explore some softer more electronica sounds for just one album, then the two Machina albums just put everything together for me. It seemed like a decent run and that they had ended up full circle and on a high note. Only problem was, never got around to seeing them. So even this new incarnation will be heaven for me, and as long as it's Billy and Jimmy, it doesn't really matter who else as long as their competent.
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Melissa is not in the band, I believe she has said so herself, which is sad. I might be one of the few people who really liked Corgan's solo album. I listen to it weekly almost. I'm not sure how Smashing Pumpkins will be now. I don't see how it will be any different from Zwan at the end of the day. I'll get the album and go to the shows. I hope its a good ride, but I am kinda skeptical.
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Originally posted by Darth Ed:
Gish was great and all, but I don't think it's even close to the be-all, end-all of the Smashing Pumpkins (or Corgan's) oeuvre. I'm not really willing to pick one album over another. I think they're all pretty damn good in different ways. Probably the only Smashing Pumpkins album I'm not all that crazy about is MACHINA, but I always end up liking it whenever I give it a listen.
I couldn't care less whether Corgan is an asshole or a big baby or an egotist. It should be and is about the music, as far as I'm concerned, and I think it's great stuff. The Smashing Pumpkins are certainly one of the best bands of the '90s. I really enjoyed Zwan, too. I do think Corgan lost his way a bit with TheFutureEmbrace. I believe he's admitted as much, and that's part of why he's reuniting with Jimmy Chamberlin. If they release a new album, I'll be right in line to buy it.
Amen, finally a voice of reason (well if not exactly reason at least one I agree with). I think you have to take the catalog as a whole as the albums complement one another very well, so I expect something different yet complementary to everything else. It will be Pumpkin-esque I imagine and I don't care who's in the band, as "cool" as it would be to get Darcy out of rehab, and placate James fractured ego the bottom line is the voice, songwriting, and bottom (Jimmy) of the sound will be there and that's good enough for me. I was watching a video from the Adore pre-tour they did in europe, and they had 3 percussionists during Jimmy's absence (not necessarily because of his absence) and it made me laugh.
Anyway I'm going to the Paris show and Pink Pop festival so I'll give a first hand account of whether this lives up to pumpkin lore, merely starts a new chapter, or not worthy of the name.
My first SP show was at a fetish club in Hollywood back in 1990 prior to the gish release, still have a footprint on the t-shirt I got at that show with all the flailing around. At that point I thought if they put out an album they could easily open for Janes Addiction at the Pallidium or headline the Troubador....little did I know...
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Originally posted by bnyced0:
Anyway I'm going to the Paris show and Pink Pop festival so I'll give a first hand account of whether this lives up to pumpkin lore, merely starts a new chapter, or not worthy of the name.
Please do, bnyced0. I look forward to reading your accounts of those shows!
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Looking forward to the new record - Upset that it's not the original lineup...
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Originally posted by RustyOrgan:
Looking forward to the new record - Upset that it's not the original lineup...
"Upset"? Really? I never thought D'Arcy and Iha had all that much input into the SP albums anyway.
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Originally posted by Darth Ed:
Originally posted by RustyOrgan:
Looking forward to the new record - Upset that it's not the original lineup...
"Upset"? Really? I never thought D'Arcy and Iha had all that much input into the SP albums anyway. [/b]
i think that bands like this survive because of nostalgia...sure i remember when SP came out and my girlfriend at the time would play it over and over again...and wrote "pumpkins" all over bookbag and such....so seeing them would be ok cause it'd take me back.
however, its not just hearing the songs...its seeing "them" play them...and without most of them it's just not going to be the same.
theres something neat about standing in a crowd as a 30 year old...watching some band and thinking...we all did this 15 years ago!!! like a re-union between the band and the fans....new lineups just cant provide that same feeling..in my opinion.
maybe that doesnt make sense, though.
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No, it makes complete sense. It's a visual thing. Jerry wrote most of the good Alice In Chains songs but the band just isn't the same w/o Layne. Seeing Metallica would be 'off' due to Jason's departure. (I'm trying to think of more examples here...)
With Nine Inch Nails it was always Trent's band (such as Smashing Pumpkins is Billy's band) but visually SP have always been Billy, James, D'arcy and Jimmy while NIN has been revolving with every album (to some extent). Seeing Melissa play with SP at Patriot Center was a drag. Seeing SP play w/o D'arcy AND James will REALLY suck regardless of how good the new songs are. I'd still go see them but fuck V Fest and fuck the Police.
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Originally posted by RustyOrgan:
Seeing Metallica would be 'off' due to Jason's departure.
interesting age difference here, as some would say that metallica shows with jason were "off" due to cliff burton's absence.
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Originally posted by thatguy:
Originally posted by RustyOrgan:
Seeing Metallica would be 'off' due to Jason's departure.
interesting age difference here, as some would say that metallica shows with jason were "off" due to cliff burton's absence. [/b]
now you're really dating yourself!!!!
my first metallica show...1989 with the cult...when i was 12!!! but that was with Jason..presumably the first tour he did with them?
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Originally posted by le sonick:
now you're really dating yourself!!!!
my first metallica show...1989 with the cult...when i was 12!!! but that was with Jason..presumably the first tour he did with them?
burton died in '86, and newsted joined the band a couple of months later. i think his first tour was to support ...and justice for all, which would've been the one you saw. that was a great show.
i never got to see burton play, but i thought it was interesting how perceptions change over time. the guy called "newkid" for years might've been the longest standing bassist for the band, but he would not be part of the "ideal lineup" for most metallica fans from when i was listening to them.
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Originally posted by thatguy:
Originally posted by RustyOrgan:
Seeing Metallica would be 'off' due to Jason's departure.
interesting age difference here, as some would say that metallica shows with jason were "off" due to cliff burton's absence. [/b]
EX-PHUCKIN-ACTLY, forgetting Cliff is sacrilege and anyone doing so should be banned from any Metallica show in the future for saying that shit! In fact you just forfeited the right to listen to any Metallica record, and Hell being banned from the country shouldn't be out of the question, I almost blew a brain vessel when I read that.
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Originally posted by thatguy:
Originally posted by le sonick:
now you're really dating yourself!!!!
my first metallica show...1989 with the cult...when i was 12!!! but that was with Jason..presumably the first tour he did with them?
burton died in '86, and newsted joined the band a couple of months later. i think his first tour was to support ...and justice for all, which would've been the one you saw. that was a great show.
i never got to see burton play, but i thought it was interesting how perceptions change over time. the guy called "newkid" for years might've been the longest standing bassist for the band, but he would not be part of the "ideal lineup" for most metallica fans from when i was listening to them. [/b]
yeah. i definitely wish i'd seen them play with Cliff.
are you excited for the heaven and hell show at MPP? i know i am!! haha.
oh and hey, sorry i didnt say much to you last friday, i was being grumpy that whole evening.
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are you excited for the heaven and hell show at MPP? i know i am!! haha.
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I'm gone during the MPP show, so I'm going to Chicago to see Heaven & Hell this Saturday, I'll give a detailed report.
And Dave, along with James, Cliff (after Ron left), and Lars were the Metallica line-up of my youth, while Kirk was still working out the kinks in a band I roadied for in highschool, Exodus.
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do you have openings at the job you have that allows you to go to all these shows!! ;)
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Originally posted by le sonick:
do you have openings at the job you have that allows you to go to all these shows!! ;)
I work for the man, you sound like you still have a soul left so I couldn't do that to you.
I'm single and make the most of my weekends and vacation days, some people have other habits I have show obsession, just a matter of phucked up priorities and always chasing down that perfect concert experience. I'm a junkie and I know it. But when you get a night like RATM in Indio, or Soul Wax in Philly, or even Prince in Las Vegas it's worth every cent, jetlag, and other sacrifices for the cause.
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Originally posted by bnyced0:
Originally posted by le sonick:
do you have openings at the job you have that allows you to go to all these shows!! ;)
I work for the man, you sound like you still have a soul left so I couldn't do that to you.
I'm single and make the most of my weekends and vacation days, some people have other habits I have show obsession, just a matter of phucked up priorities and always chasing down that perfect concert experience. I'm a junkie and I know it. But when you get a night like RATM in Indio, or Soul Wax in Philly, or even Prince in Las Vegas it's worth every cent, jetlag, and other sacrifices for the cause. [/b]
i admire that! if i hadnt met my lady...i suppose i'd be doin the same!
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Originally posted by bnyced0:
Originally posted by le sonick:
do you have openings at the job you have that allows you to go to all these shows!! ;)
I work for the man, you sound like you still have a soul left so I couldn't do that to you.
I'm single and make the most of my weekends and vacation days, some people have other habits I have show obsession, just a matter of phucked up priorities and always chasing down that perfect concert experience. I'm a junkie and I know it. But when you get a night like RATM in Indio, or Soul Wax in Philly, or even Prince in Las Vegas it's worth every cent, jetlag, and other sacrifices for the cause. [/b]
I feel your pain, fam. Was thinking about going to see Prince in Vegas, but I had to cut myself off. (There's NO way I won't gamble if I go.) And I flew to Hawaii to catch Pearl Jam open for U2, so who am I to judge??? ;)
I think The Pumpkins should be straight, though . . . . With Jimmy & Billy, it should be good. Some of y'all act like D'arcy was actually a good bass player or something. Cool out . . . . . . :p
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Originally posted by le sonick:
Originally posted by bnyced0:
Originally posted by le sonick:
do you have openings at the job you have that allows you to go to all these shows!! :) and can go wherever i want to see any band. if only i could have found a way to catch travis at GAMH or the fillmore wherever it was in SF. at least most bands stops by nyc :)
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Originally posted by bnyced0:
Prince in Las Vegas
Funny, I caught Prince's set at the Rio last Friday. It was pretty frickin great.
Also caught Interpol at The Joint at Hard Rock Saturday which was excellent. Good music weekend in Vegas.
Since that has nothing to do w/ the Smashing Pumpkins, I'll add that I never viewed SP as Corgan's band when I was a fan and viewed the chemistry of all four as necessary. I thought when he said he'd get the band back together he INTENTED to recreate the chemistry they had. Guess not.
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Since that has nothing to do w/ the Smashing Pumpkins, I'll add that I never viewed SP as Corgan's band when I was a fan and viewed the chemistry of all four as necessary. I thought when he said he'd get the band back together he INTENTED to recreate the chemistry they had. Guess not. [/QB]
That particular chemistry was lost long ago, well before they ultimately disbanded. When Jimmy OD'd, and they recorded and toured without him, and when Darcy ultimately found crack and free base more appealing than her electric bass the original SP was no more.
Out of last 5 years of existence the original line-up only recorded and toured together about 25% of that time. So I can't imagine Billy, you, or anyone else expected that original chemistry to be rekindled.
It's seldom that even without the death of a band member that bands stay intact over the long haul. Even the notable ones (Slayer, REM, Pearl Jam, etc.) have had rough patches with a member missing for a while or gone completely.
It was always Billy's band, even if the input from others seemed substantial, we'll never really know, none of us we're in the song writing or recording sessions, but the general impression was Billy set the direction and the others added/followed. Based on what they've (other than Billy) done individually trying to stray from the Pumpkins hasn't been very beneficial.
Both Zwan and the solo album were intentionally trying to break away from a pumpkin sound and vibe, they were ok in my opinion but I think he knows what made the pumpkins the pumpkins and that he has deep cache of that particular inspiration left.
I don't seem him regurgitating that 90's sound, but won't complain if he does, Aerosmith and Mission of Burma took a ton of time off and came back strong, as did Echo & the Bunnymen, the jury is still out on the new Dinosaur Jr. but I think that true talent can overcome the huge expectaction the reemergence of SP brings with it. This isn't merely a reunion for a tour, but rather a continuation of something I found incredible and as long as the architect is involved I'll buy space in that building.
We'll see, I'm a fan with some blind faith, which is interesting considering religiously I'm agnostic.
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ok, so i guess you could look at this like a second marriage for billy and jimmy and maybe it'll be for the best. that's something, and its cool folks are interested. maybe the new wife can actually keep corgan's ego in check, make him cool (not tedius) again and inspire him. i'm not betting on anything more than nostalgic background music to drink to, but anything can happen.
red flag #1: naming the album Zeitgeist. suggests the ego has not landed.
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Red Flag #2: Putting them album out on 7/7/07, which is a saturday instead of the traditional tuesday indicates the ego has not landed.
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Originally posted by le sonick:
Originally posted by thatguy:
Originally posted by RustyOrgan:
Seeing Metallica would be 'off' due to Jason's departure.
interesting age difference here, as some would say that metallica shows with jason were "off" due to cliff burton's absence. [/b]
now you're really dating yourself!!!!
my first metallica show...1989 with the cult...when i was 12!!! but that was with Jason..presumably the first tour he did with them? [/b]
Ha I saw the tour...metallica were loud and the cult was totally forgettable. I saw them in Richmond..how 'bout you?
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Originally posted by Arthwys:
Red Flag #2: Putting them album out on 7/7/07, which is a saturday instead of the traditional tuesday indicates the ego has not landed.
7/7/07 is Smashing Pumpkins Day in Chicago. It has been decreed that twice. That's why they have that release date.