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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: scoop on October 04, 2005, 11:47:00 am
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A word to fellow smokers (others please ignore):
The 930 Nazi's were in full shakedown mode at last night's Black Crowes show. The doormen were grabbing everyone's pockets and feeling the guys up (and they think the job is glamorous!?!), checking into each and every purse...They must been really terrified that someone would smoke a little weed at a Black Crowes show. Egads!!! The horrors!!!
Anyway, just lettin' ya'll know to either conceal it on your person really carefully or just get baked and leave it in the car. Otherwise, they'll certainly ruin your night, and take great delight in doing so.
Peace out. :cool:
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Put yer weed 'neath yer balzac
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Originally posted by scoop:
just get baked and leave it in the car.
This is the only viable option. As benign as weed may be, it's illegal. Hence, the club is perfectly within its rights to disallow the practice.
I do not want to see the club shut down for ANY amount of time because you can't make it three hours without toking up. Bake a bit in your car, and just enjoy yourself.
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Wonder if DCist will pick this thread up as well :D
Much like complaining about the parking lot at Nissan Pavallion, this is so tired...
The 9:30 club has a long standing policy regarding the use of illegal substances in the club, in fact there are signs outside the club stating so. So complaining that they were searching people who might use such illegal substances in a private venue is pointless.
Can someone post a picture of the sign displayed outside the club regarding illegal substances?
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yeah, yeah - i know.
it's illegal, it's posted, it's the 930 club.
yawn.
i've spent years going to the damn club cuz i love music, but the attitude of the people (not all but many) who work there is so NOT rock-n-roll. it's school marm, tattle-tale, rock nazi.
really - having people search the stalls constantly? i'm like "wait a minute there, Edgy, i'm only taking a piss can you give me a minute?" i don't do blow - really.
It's just annoying and i'm exercising my god-given, flag-flying right to rant here on the rock nazi website.
It's totally different vibe at the black cat. hell even at sleepy old wolf trap, the employees
are cooler. they actually act like they are happy you're there. they're not looking to kick you out for having too much fun. they want you to have fun.
do you really think the cops are going to shut down a successful business because someone makes a personal decision to have a little weed on them? hell no.
i understand the practice from a business standpoint - they don't want any beef with the MAN, but from a progressive rock-n-roll standpoint it's bullshit.
by the way - the crowes rocked even though my buzz wore off by intermission. i was able to avoid the eagle scout eyeballs perched behind the amps and up in the balcony. i fired off a couple tokes from old faithful, anyway.
it feels SO good to beat the MAN.
i will say this - at least the earplug patrol agreed to turn up the amps for once last night. chris robinson probably had to BEG. the place was good and loud for a change. and you thought i never said anything positive about the 930. it's a nice club. nice venue. just too fucking uptight, that's all.
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You sound like you're about 15. Don't you have some remedial math homework to do?
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Originally posted by scoop:
i've spent years going to the damn club cuz i love music, but the attitude of the people (not all but many) who work there is so NOT rock-n-roll. it's school marm, tattle-tale, rock nazi.
really - having people search the stalls constantly? i'm like "wait a minute there, Edgy, i'm only taking a piss can you give me a minute?" i don't do blow - really.
I am going to preface my comments by saying I do not smoke pot, and if I did, I wouldn't at a public place. That said, I have never had a problem at 9:30 Club with the staff. I've been easily 30-40 times, and I think I was only ever patted down exactly once - Fatboy Slim. I have never seen them staking out the bathroom, although, to be fair, most of the shows I'd go to see are not, um, highly conducive to being stoned.
I have had them take a camera away before, or more specifically offer to hold it for me instead of making me run back to the car. They were very nice about it. I understand there are rules and they can't piss off the bands who don't want photography, just like you, I'm sure, can understand they can't risk their licenses or whatever by allowing pot smoking or selling alcohol to underage kiddies. But I do think they've always handled it as nicely as possible, and if you consistantly - not just once - have found them to be "rock nazis", perhaps the problem is your attitude, not theirs.
If all the rest of us can go and rarely, if ever, find a problem with the staff, and you do everytime, hmm... where must we conclude the problem lies?
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Originally posted by scoop:
do you really think the cops are going to shut down a successful business because someone makes a personal decision to have a little weed on them? hell no.
I'm sure they'll make a special exception for you, and only you. Then it would only be a little weed. But then people might start complaining that they can't bring theirs, and then they will, and then the club will get shut down. I know grass causes short term memory loss, but has it affected your ability to reason as well?
If everyone tried pulling that, you wouldn't have seen the Black Crowes at the 930. There wouldn't be a 930.
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and just how good is a band that requires one to be in an altered state to be enjoyed...
and i've been in the club plenty of times where it was unbarely loud and it's never increased my enjoyment of the show, in fact i often wonder if the loudness isn't a way of covering up the fact the band isn't very good.
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Ok, ok. No happy smoke at the 930 club. Sheesh.
I knew SOME of you khaki-clad Washingtonians would get your knickers in a bunch over it. Mr. Bush? Hmmmm.
It's their club, their rules. Whatever. It doesn't change my life or anything. Just one man's opinion.
And by the way, I've never actually had a beef with the staff, but I am a keen observer and just get a bad vibe from some - I said some - of the overzealous staffers. I think the big dude who looks scary as shit is actually quite a sweetheart.
A few of my polite and professional friends have come to the same conclusion. It's an uptight place for a rock club.
But hey, we're from places like Austin and Detroit and Nashville, so maybe we just don't know. No more complaints from me. I've said my peace and hopefully made some people take a long, hard look in the mirror. Mr. Bush. Just kiddin, dude. Never was good at math, but thanks for asking.
Rawk on. And flame at will. I'm out
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well at the moment i'm a khaki-clad former detroiter and don't vote for President Bush..
and my knickers are in a twist because of the oppresive pants i have to wear!!!!!!
Besides the whole issue of being able to smoke anything in the club maybe become moot, if they pass a law requiring all venues to be smoke free of the legal and illegal variety...
for the sake of arguement, The Decemberists show on Sunday was a non-smoking affair inside the club most likely at the request of the artist... would you have a felt the need to sneak a few were you at that show, even though it went against the wishes of the band?
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
well at the moment i'm a khaki-clad former detroiter and don't vote for President Bush..
Seconded.
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
if they pass a law requiring all venues to be smoke free of the legal and illegal variety...
Is this getting discussed in DC? I'd love to see that happen.
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yes and it's hotly debated on both sides... i think it would work at the 9:30 club, but could you imagine what the 14th street outside the Black Cat would look like between sets?
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Like a pool party at Smackie's place?
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
yes and it's hotly debated on both sides... i think it would work at the 9:30 club, but could you imagine what the 14th street outside the Black Cat would look like between sets?
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legislation maybe the way to go... but it might be better if venues were allowed to set thier own policy and create smoking/non-smoking areas on thier own. i.e. at the 9:30 club main room nonsmoking backbar smoking, same with the Black Cat, i'd just spend very little time in the Red Room.
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i think a nice solution to the smoking ban debate would be to allow venues, bars, and restaurants to get a permit that would allow it within the premises - just like an alcohol permit. Then, if you are a venue where people are going to be pissed about not being able to smoke (ie: Black Cat), you can make arrangements.
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
legislation maybe the way to go... but it might be better if venues were allowed to set thier own policy and create smoking/non-smoking areas on thier own. i.e. at the 9:30 club main room nonsmoking backbar smoking, same with the Black Cat, i'd just spend very little time in the Red Room.
they can set their own policies now
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Ugh. I would hate that. That would essentially turn those bars into smoking lounges.
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
and my knickers are in a twist because of the oppresive pants i have to wear!!!!!!
utilikilt at the cleaners? :D
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i'm tired and need to go home and you are right... maybe the legislation should some flexibility instead of requiring an all out smoking ban in a venue...
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Originally posted by scoop:
A few of my polite and professional friends have come to the same conclusion. It's an uptight place for a rock club.
I've been to the club somewhere in the range of 100 times, and I've never experienced or noticed even marginally uptight behavior from staff (okay, one time they wouldn't let me take the rest of my bottle of water outside the club, which I found odd, and they did kind of bark at me, but at the end of the show there's a crowd swarming out so I don't think they have time to be polite). If anything, they tend to be very helpful up front and completely invisible out on the floor. And I'm a loud Dem who *sometimes* even drinks too much...You'd think if staff had dick tendencies, I'd have seen it. I think you should gather all your friends around behind you, and look in that mirror and see what you see, my friend. ;)
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Originally posted by Bags:
(okay, one time they wouldn't let me take the rest of my bottle of water outside the club, which I found odd)
Yeah, I've seen this at a few places before. I can understand no water going in, but why the heck would they have a problem with water going out? :confused:
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Originally posted by Bombay Chutney:
Ugh. I would hate that. That would essentially turn those bars into smoking lounges.
I gotta say ditto. I love the Red Room, and it's bad enough now. Imagine if it also became the smoking section for the whole club! Oy, and the Back Bar -- such a confined space...
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Originally posted by [username edited by p.c. moderator]:
Originally posted by Bags:
(okay, one time they wouldn't let me take the rest of my bottle of water outside the club, which I found odd)
Yeah, I've seen this at a few places before. I can understand no water going in, but why the heck would they have a problem with water going out? :confused: [/b]
I have no idea. And as I think about it, I was barked at pretty gruffly -- when it should be pretty easy to understand that a patron would assume you could take water outside. I didn't care about the water, but was surprised they'd assume I know about this slightly odd policy...
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
legislation maybe the way to go... but it might be better if venues were allowed to set thier own policy and create smoking/non-smoking areas on thier own. i.e. at the 9:30 club main room nonsmoking backbar smoking, same with the Black Cat, i'd just spend very little time in the Red Room.
that would be really nice, as this little Betty is about as straightedge as you could get as far as drugs and smoking go (and only straightedge as far as drugs and smoking go!).
weed is one thing. i doubt they'd ever outlaw cigs at the clubs, but you never know. regardless of whether cigarettes in general bother me or not, it is understandable that people would want to smoke at a show. just, please don't be an ass about it. it annoys the piss out of me when i'm waiting in between bands and two guys come up and completely blow smoke all over your face. it's always fun to yell "IT SMELLS LIKE LUNG CANCER IN HERE!" and walk away.
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But the ostensible reason for the smoking ban is not to protect the health of the patrons but the health of the workers. Having special permits, etc doesn't address that concern. About the only thing that would would be having a special ventilated room that employees would not be required to enter (sorta like those horrible airport smoking lounges).
As as a sidebar: I was in SF earlier this year and there are a small handful of bars where smoking is allowed because the only people that work there are also owners. Nice little loophole.
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I must say, if I have the choice between seeing a show at 9:30 or the NorVa (supposing they're both on favorable nights of the week), I'll always take NorVa since they don't allow smoking on the bottom 2 floors.
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well, right, but duh health should be an issue. i obviously subject myself to this when i decide to go to a show; but i mean, look at me. i've never smoked anything in my life, and never will. and i probably already have shitty lungs just from going to all the shows that i do. it sucks.
but music isn't something i am going to give up just because of some secondhand smoke.
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Originally posted by you be betty:
(and only straightedge as far as drugs and smoking go!)
15? Call me later, we'll talk. ;)
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I know I am very picky about what shows i see at smoking venues because of the smoking. Making clubs non-smoking would certainly make this thrift store bought tan JCrew khaki pants wearing nonsmoker/Kerry voter inclined to attend more shows.
Originally posted by [username edited by p.c. moderator]:
I must say, if I have the choice between seeing a show at 9:30 or the NorVa (supposing they're both on favorable nights of the week), I'll always take NorVa since they don't allow smoking on the bottom 2 floors.
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can we make a trade, ban tobacco smoking in public places and legalize marijuana for personal use in the home, pretty please, thanks
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Originally posted by [username edited by p.c. moderator]:
Originally posted by you be betty:
(and only straightedge as far as drugs and smoking go!)
15? Call me later, we'll talk. ;) [/b]
i'm not sure whether to laugh, or run away crying. i hope you aren't 40!
(okay, okay. i'm laughing.)
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Originally posted by you be betty:
i'm not sure whether to laugh, or run away crying. i hope you aren't 40!
(okay, okay. i'm laughing.)
I'm entirely joking. See the thread where Sonick is taking his girlfriend to see Coheed...
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Originally posted by p011@rd:
can we make a trade, ban tobacco smoking in public places and legalize marijuana for personal use in the home, pretty please, thanks
Excellent request :cool:
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Originally posted by SPARX:
Originally posted by p011@rd:
can we make a trade, ban tobacco smoking in public places and legalize marijuana for personal use in the home, pretty please, thanks
Excellent request :cool: [/b]
yeah that doesn't sound half bad
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Originally posted by [username edited by p.c. moderator]:
Originally posted by you be betty:
i'm not sure whether to laugh, or run away crying. i hope you aren't 40!
(okay, okay. i'm laughing.)
I'm entirely joking. See the thread where Sonick is taking his girlfriend to see Coheed... [/b]
link me?
i really hate Coheed, too. that guys voice really irritates me.
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Show your elders some respect. I'm much better looking than your average 16 year old boy, even if my car isn't as nice as the cars your 16 year old classmates at Bethesda HS drive.
And I have heard that Kosmo, who is over 40, gets hit on all the time when he is wearing his skirt.
Originally posted by you be betty:
Originally posted by [username edited by p.c. moderator]:
Originally posted by you be betty:
(and only straightedge as far as drugs and smoking go!)
15? Call me later, we'll talk. ;) [/b]
i'm not sure whether to laugh, or run away crying. i hope you aren't 40!
(okay, okay. i'm laughing.) [/b]
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Originally posted by Xavier Bush, Power Forward:
Show your elders some respect. I'm much better looking than your average 16 year old boy, even if my car isn't as nice as the cars your 16 year old classmates at Bethesda HS drive.
And I have heard that Kosmo, who is over 40, gets hit on all the time when he is wearing his skirt.
Originally posted by you be betty:
Originally posted by [username edited by p.c. moderator]:
Originally posted by you be betty:
(and only straightedge as far as drugs and smoking go!)
15? Call me later, we'll talk. ;) [/b]
i'm not sure whether to laugh, or run away crying. i hope you aren't 40!
(okay, okay. i'm laughing.) [/b]
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ha ha ha ha ha ha ha cars. remember when they put that bentley dealership in downtown bethesda? i remember that.
and Kosmo rules. i totally respect you guys to the max.
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Originally posted by [username edited by p.c. moderator]: Yeah, I've seen this at a few places before. I can understand no water going in, but why the heck would they have a problem with water going out? :confused:
Because they have no guarantee it's just water. For all they know, you poured your gin and tonic in the water bottle and are trying to leave with it.
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So I was in San Francisco this summer and the amount of pot smoking that was going on in clubs, bars, and on the street was just weird. One club (Zeitgeist?) was like a dead show. I like not having so much of that crap going on here.
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Originally posted by Bombay Chutney:
Because they have no guarantee it's just water. For all they know, you poured your gin and tonic in the water bottle and are trying to leave with it.
I'm sure it's just that it's 4pm here and the brain has stopped functioning, but again, what's the problem with leaving with gin and tonic I purchased in their establishment?
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Originally posted by [username edited by p.c. moderator]:
Originally posted by Bombay Chutney:
Because they have no guarantee it's just water. For all they know, you poured your gin and tonic in the water bottle and are trying to leave with it.
I'm sure it's just that it's 4pm here and the brain has stopped functioning, but again, what's the problem with leaving with gin and tonic I purchased in their establishment? [/b]
You need a separate license for carry-out.
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Originally posted by you be betty:
link me?
i really hate Coheed, too. that guys voice really irritates me.
http://www.930.com/cgi-bin/ubb-cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=011344
It's the "I just bought..." thread.
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Originally posted by scoop:
do you really think the cops are going to shut down a successful business because someone makes a personal decision to have a little weed on them? hell no.
Just ask Primacy Company about this? If you don't know who I'm referring to, then maybe you know of a club called Nation. They had people wanting to "just smoke a little pot" and other drugs at their club but guess what, not only the police, but also the military were pretty keen on it. So much the club DID get shut down for awhile and now any military person caught at the club regardless of why you are there (yes even to see a band) will get you in some serious trouble.
Seriously don't be an idiot. As much as I like southern rock, I'd know to do ANYTHING illegal before going inside the club if I had to enjoy the show that bad with enhancers...
Wow...even I think I own a pair of khaki pants somewhere ;)
MindCage
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Originally posted by MindCage:
Wow...even I think I own a pair of khaki pants somewhere ;)
Well, the real question is Dockers or pleated....Khakis can be extremely cool pants, but those pleats have got to go!
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Smoking weed in a bar or club is not a right, it's a (stolen) privilege
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Definitely agree with you on the pleats, though I find anything with a Dockers label on it to be pretty unimaginative. My uncool brother wears Dockers, and my dad wore Dockers, for cripes sake.
Originally posted by Bags:
Originally posted by MindCage:
Wow...even I think I own a pair of khaki pants somewhere ;)
Well, the real question is Dockers or pleated....Khakis can be extremely cool pants, but those pleats have got to go! [/b]
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Originally posted by Bags:
Well, the real question is Dockers or pleated....Khakis can be extremely cool pants, but those pleats have got to go!
i hate the pleats, but the unpleated don't come cuffed. gotta have the cuffs.
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They can do that for you at the dry cleaners.
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
Originally posted by Bags:
Well, the real question is Dockers or pleated....Khakis can be extremely cool pants, but those pleats have got to go!
i hate the pleats, but the unpleated don't come cuffed. gotta have the cuffs. [/b]
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Originally posted by Xavier Bush, Power Forward:
They can do that for you at the dry cleaners.
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
Originally posted by Bags:
Well, the real question is Dockers or pleated....Khakis can be extremely cool pants, but those pleats have got to go!
i hate the pleats, but the unpleated don't come cuffed. gotta have the cuffs. [/b]
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dry cleaners??? what is that?
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Wow..ya'll took this and ran with it. Cool.
I was just venting a little (and being a bit overly caustic) because as I understand it, at least for many people, the Crowes and kind-bud go together like peas and carrots.
So, when I saw bouncers physically searching everyone at a hippie concert, well...it just seemed a bit excessive.
Hell, the bird in the Black Crowes logo is smoking a spliff. I guess the shakedown dudes knew what to expect.
What I was initially trying to do was provide a public service announcement to tonight's concertgoers - leave it in the car, hide it very well, or get jacked at the door.
I took my own surreptitous, indoor puff at last night's concert out of a juvenile defiance more than a burning, psychopathic need for the weed. That's kinda rock-n-roll, isn't it? Maybe no one here can appreciate my admuittedly juvenile moment of clarity. Sigh. Anyway, I think I stuck it to the man and I'm glad.
For the record, I'm generally sensitive to other's people's aversion to smoke. But this is a rock club and these are the crowes, no? Kinda gotta expect it, but then again, here, maybe not. Make the club non-smoking. Make all bars non-smoking That's fine. I don't smoke cigs. And I damn sure won't plan on smoking anything at the 930 again, anyway. Whatever.
But I was also trying to articulate (admittedly lazily - it was a late night) my general frustration with the 930 Club.
In my West Coast opinion, it's uptight. And in my opinion they could frequently turn the volume up some, last night notwithstanding.
They get great shows and I frequent it fairly regularly, but my OPINION is that the staff, while maybe ruthlessly efficient at their jobs, could lighten up a little (no pun intended). I'm not indicting all of those who work there. It's just that I've witnessed a lot of attitude - and not always directed at me - that was completely unnecessary.
I've seen the doorman loudly chastise a woman who was obviously no less than 30 for having an ID that had been expired for a week. The invasive searches at the doors. The gestapo guys barging through crowded floors to collar a perpetrator with a one-hitter. Security searching in bathroom stalls for illicit behavior. They way they make you put your hand in that handprint for the stamp. Ok, not such a big deal, but it seems symbolic of the overall mindset of the club's management. "GET IN LINE AND DON"T FUCK WITH US." Ok. Got it.
I understand the need for order in a place where people are rocking out, getting excited and maybe drunk. But the staffs at rock clubs in other places, especially the South and West, seem to smile more, and they generally don't bark at patrons and frisk our nether-reigions. Again, I'm sure there are some nice staffers at 930. I've met a couple.
It just doesn't seem too inviting -- or frankly, all that rock and roll - to be patted down for a spliff at the door. I know - terrorism, weapons, etc., but at a Crowes show? Nah.
The 930 was targeting those with evil nugs of green.
Maybe I'm naive about how big a club and how big business the 930 Club really is. Perhaps I'm bleary-eyed with nostalgia, but I hate to see the ethos of the MAN taking charge over the rock clubs, in addition to all the arenas and other, larger venues.
I hate to see some of rock's soul stripped at the door.
;)
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Originally posted by scoop:
Anyway, I think I stuck it to the man and I'm glad.
Good job man. Congrats.
Thanks to your "sticking it to the man", they now know that they need to step up their efforts a little more next time. Next time the searches may be more invasive, there may be more searches in the bathroom and probably more bouncers out on the floor. And I'm sure you'll be the first one to complain.
You really showed 'em.
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Of the hundred or so shows I've seen at the club over the years, I can only recall being patted down twice. I have never found the staff to be overly invasive or eager to bust people (like the jarheads at the Bayou used to be, for example).
Places like the old Roxy, where you could smoke a spliff while sitting at the bar, were great; but it was also nay impossible to get a drink in less than fifteen minutes because that sort of lackadaisical attitude just sort of pervaded everything.
The 9:30 runs things smoothly and "professionally." Maybe that is a little antithetical to the spirit of rock'n roll, but it's okay with me now that I am over 30. Frankly, one can get away with smoking dope in the club fairly easily if one wants to; just like any other place. Not that I make it a regular habit, but I have done it on occasion.
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for all the times i have been searched at the 930 club nothing is compaired to the crap that people have to go through at Nations. so if your going to blaze, hide it well, and go into the middle, have a buddy smoke a cig or a clove and be marry.
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
lackadaisical attitude
God bless you for not writing "lacksadaisical" (or maybe some spell it laxadaisical -- a pet peeve of mine).
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Originally posted by definitivedoodle:
for all the times i have been searched at the 930 club nothing is compaired to the crap that people have to go through at Nations. so if your going to blaze, hide it well, and go into the middle, have a buddy smoke a cig or a clove and be marry.
merry , thanksverymuch.
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think there was shakedown for the black crows wait when Damian Marley steps on the floor.
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Frankly, one can get away with smoking dope in the club fairly easily if one wants to; just like any other place. Not that I make it a regular habit, but I have done it on occasion.
very true, i don't do it often and haven't done it in a while, but it's not a big deal if you know what you're doing ... the only place i've been kicked out for smoking weed was at the black cat, and that was just for being drunk as hell in college and really stupid, the nerdy bespectacled guy who kicked me out was almost apologetic