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Thursday, April 29, 2004
UMass grad student: Tillman's not a hero
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ESPN.com news services
AMHERST, Mass. -- A University of Massachusetts student has openly criticized Pat Tillman, calling the former NFL player a Rambo-like idiot in the school paper.
The column in question was submitted by graduate student Rene Gonzalez and published Wednesday in the Daily Collegian. It was titled "Pat Tillman is not a hero: he got what was coming to him."
Gonzalez writes that Tillman was a "Rambo" who probably acted out of "nationalist patriotic fantasies." In his own neighborhood in Puerto Rico, according to Gonzalez, Tillman would not have been considered a hero, but a "pendejo," or idiot.
The column drew harsh criticism from many on campus. University president Jack Wilson says the op-ed piece was "disgusting, arrogant and intellectually immature."
Tillman, who gave up his NFL career to join the Army Rangers in 2002, was killed in combat one week ago in Afghanistan. The military announced on Wednesday that he has been posthumously promoted to the rank of corporal and awarded the Purple Heart and Meritorious Service Medal.
"You know he was a real Rambo, who wanted to be in the 'real' thick of things," Gonzalez writes in his column, which is posted on the collegiate paper's Web site. "I could tell he was that type of macho guy, from his scowling, beefy face on the CNN pictures. Well, he got his wish. Even Rambo got shot in the third movie, but in real life, you die as a result of being shot. They should call Pat Tillman's army life 'Rambo 4: Rambo Attempts to Strike Back at His Former Rambo 3 Taliban Friends, and Gets Killed.'"
Gonzalez also says that Tillman's service was not "necessary."
"It wasn't like he was defending the East coast from an invasion of a foreign power. THAT would have been heroic and laudable," Gonzalez writes. "What he did was make himself useful to a foreign invading army, and he paid for it. It's hard to say I have any sympathy for his death because I don't feel like his 'service' was necessary. He wasn't defending me, nor was he defending the Afghani people. He was acting out his macho, patriotic crap and I guess someone with a bigger gun did him in."
In a letter to its readers Thursday, the Daily Collegian says Gonzalez' opinion in no way reflects that of the newspaper's editorial board. A column by one of the editors praising Tillman's sacrifice ran in the paper next to the one by Gonzalez.
"We do not hold back from printing news stories, columns or editorials that may upset our readership -- instead, we seek to both inform and stir debate through our publication," the letter, also posted on the Web site, reads. "Our decision to publish Gonzalez's column -- an opinion piece written by a member of our campus community -- is the only way for us to live up to this ideal."
Tillman will be eulogized at a public memorial service in his hometown of San Jose, Calif., early next week, and funeral arrangements are pending.
The body of Tillman arrived at Dover Air Force Base in Delaware on Monday. His brother, Spc. Kevin Tillman, also a Ranger with the 2nd Battalion of the 75th Ranger Regiment, was expected to accompany the body to the funeral home, Lawrence said.
Tillman was killed in a firefight on a road near Sperah, about 25 miles southwest of a U.S. base at Khost.
After coming under fire, Tillman's patrol got out of their vehicles and gave chase, moving toward the spot of the ambush. Beevers said the fighting was "sustained" and lasted 15-20 minutes.
The Cardinals said they will retire Tillman's No. 40 and name the plaza surrounding the new stadium under construction in suburban Glendale the "Pat Tillman Freedom Plaza."
Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.
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Grotty,
I think along with the 3 things you noticed that stood out, I think there is a fourth.
You cannot fight a war in foreign land in the hopes of making things safe at home.
I think the guy was a nut for going but I am hugely impressed that he did."
Its just like saying that the world trade center pilots were obviously not cowardly. Its obvious but the collective ears and mindset of the populace is closed.
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Originally posted by mark e smith:
I am already here:
Writing it in a chat board is one thing. Putting it in a school paper is another story.
However, I didn't read that post so I apologize. You do make things ineresting around here nearly everytime you post. But only nearly.
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probably depends on which school newspaper you put it in
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Originally posted by mark e smith:
You cannot fight a war in foreign land in the hopes of making things safe at home.
Not sure I agree with that statement.
He probably was a bit of a Rambo, but it was his choice so it's his conseqences. I'm disgusted in the way they make Tillmans death a bigger loss than all the other 'unfamous' people who died in Bush's little wars.
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Originally posted by Bollocks:
Originally posted by mark e smith:
[qb] You cannot fight a war in foreign land in the hopes of making things safe at home.
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Actually in some instance you are right (2nd WW), but it's a paraphrase, ripped off of Billy Bragg. I do believe in this:
"You can fight for democracy at home, but not in some foreign land."
Still Iraq was no threat at all to the US. The war on Iraq has nothing whatsoever to do with the war against terror, its just sloganering and taking advantage.
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Originally posted by My Balls Can DJ:
probably depends on which school newspaper you put it in
You're probably right, but it seemed to peak the interest of many people. I've tried to read the entire article the guy wrote for the past hour and all I get is:
"This site is experiencing high traffic. Please try back later today."
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Originally posted by My Balls Can DJ:
probably depends on which school newspaper you put it in
I haven't read the entire piece yet, just excerpts from various news stories. But if that was submitted to us (I may or may not be Op/Ed Page editor for a school paper in DC :ninja: ), I think journalistic integrity would require us to run it, but with a significant-sized Editor's Note flanking it.
On a personal level, I think most of the author's arguments are predicated on his/her strong position against the war, and thus are somewhat flimsy. That's to say, no matter who the soldier in question was, as long as it was a US soldier he/she would have felt the exact same way. He/she just used Pat Tillman as an in, to gather attention to the rant.
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Originally posted by es9450a:
I haven't read the entire piece yet, just excerpts from various news stories. But if that was submitted to us (I may or may not be Op/Ed Page editor for a school paper in DC :ninja: ), I think journalistic integrity would require us to run it, but with a significant-sized Editor's Note flanking it.
I too, thought it was odd that the Editor's note came a day later.
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I think it odd that this is old news:
The old lie: Dulce et decorum est Pro patria mori.
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Originally posted by mark e smith:
I think it odd that this is old news:
The old lie: Dulce et decorum est Pro patria mori.
That's Latin Darling. It Appears Mr. Smith is an educated man.....Now I really hate him!
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Originally posted by mark e smith:
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"You can fight for democracy at home, but not in some foreign land."
Still Iraq was no threat at all to the US. The war on Iraq has nothing whatsoever to do with the war against terror, [/QB]
Now those two statements, I completely agree with.
Shall we say...."oil agree with you" ;)
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Originally posted by Bollocks:
I'm disgusted in the way they make Tillmans death a bigger loss than all the other 'unfamous' people who died....
I agree, Mank...I'm not sure you can describe me as disgusted, but I've certainly been dismayed at the huge amount of "special sorrow". It's not dissimilar to my reaction to the intense, unbalanced reaction to the death of a child, as if it's so much worse than the death of adults (on news reports, often, they'll report "there were 4 casualties, INCLUDING 2 CHILDREN" -- said with particular concern and dismay). Let me tell you from experience, the adults very well may have been parents, leaving kids behind, which is pretty damn awful as well.
Not to disparage Tillman. it's all bad.
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To make the comparison between Pat Tillman and "Rambo" is just plain stupid.
Pat Tillman - A real life college and pro-football star who when overcome by a sense of patriotism after 9-11 walked away from a multi-million dollar contract to serve his country in the armed forces.
Rambo - A fictional character who returns home after serving his country only to find that he's looked down on by society and ultimately brutalized by some backwoods sheriffs deputyâ??s.
What's the connection?
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Boneheadedness, stupidity? The thought that one man could make a difference, perhaps even the love of head-bands?
Sorry to be facetious Shadrach, I think it is always possible to perceive soldiers as being a bit single-minded, just wanting to get out there and kill. I think that would be a rambo mentality.
Is it really that difficult to see the viewpoint of the writer for you?
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Originally posted by mark e smith:
I think that would be a rambo mentality.
That's the point I was making, the chest beating, huge fuck-off machine gun in each hand carrying, draped in ammunition belts with scars all over his chest type of character...basically, the hollywood hero....when the reality is, armed conflict couldn't be further from that depiction.
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Originally posted by Macktastic Bag O' Flash:
Originally posted by Bollocks:
I'm disgusted in the way they make Tillmans death a bigger loss than all the other 'unfamous' people who died....
I agree, Mank...I'm not sure you can describe me as disgusted, but I've certainly been dismayed at the huge amount of "special sorrow". It's not dissimilar to my reaction to the intense, unbalanced reaction to the death of a child, as if it's so much worse than the death of adults (on news reports, often, they'll report "there were 4 casualties, INCLUDING 2 CHILDREN" -- said with particular concern and dismay). Let me tell you from experience, the adults very well may have been parents, leaving kids behind, which is pretty damn awful as well.
Not to disparage Tillman. it's all bad. [/b]
On the same subject...what annoys me as a 'foriegner' is when the media reports a plane crash or something, they always say something like, "no Americans were onboard" WELL THANK GOD FOR THAT! IT REALLY DOESN'T MATTER THEN DOES IT? NO BIGGIE!
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I don't have a problem with that. We do live in America. Why would they not make the comment about how many Americans were on board?
And I think it emphasizes the pain of something to mention if children were killed. Often to some extent, adults make decisions that might put them in harms way. Children are the most innocent and lacking in choice and responsibility, and unfulfilled in life optential therefore it's an especially tough blow when one is killed.
Originally posted by Bollocks:
Originally posted by Macktastic Bag O' Flash:
Originally posted by Bollocks:
I'm disgusted in the way they make Tillmans death a bigger loss than all the other 'unfamous' people who died....
I agree, Mank...I'm not sure you can describe me as disgusted, but I've certainly been dismayed at the huge amount of "special sorrow". It's not dissimilar to my reaction to the intense, unbalanced reaction to the death of a child, as if it's so much worse than the death of adults (on news reports, often, they'll report "there were 4 casualties, INCLUDING 2 CHILDREN" -- said with particular concern and dismay). Let me tell you from experience, the adults very well may have been parents, leaving kids behind, which is pretty damn awful as well.
Not to disparage Tillman. it's all bad. [/b]
On the same subject...what annoys me as a 'foriegner' is when the media reports a plane crash or something, they always say something like, "no Americans were onboard" WELL THANK GOD FOR THAT! IT REALLY DOESN'T MATTER THEN DOES IT? NO BIGGIE! [/b]
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Originally posted by My Balls Can DJ:
I don't have a problem with that. We do live in America. Why would they not make the comment about how many Americans were on board?
I understand what you're saying...but maybe I didn't expand enough....they just brush over the story if no doodles died. Like,
"a plane went down today in the mountains of Peru, no Americans were onboard. Chris Webber was today arrested for the second time for DWI. He was driving a Yellow H2 Hummer SUV with the wheat leather interior and brush guards. He also had the 6 disc CD changer installed and the 200watt subwoofer. The Hummer was fitted with chromed 24" spinner type wheel rims. The arresting officer was wearing a Seiko watch with chronograph alarm. Webber's passenger who iss a dancer at Good Guys bar in Georgetown had just finished her shift and was allegedly getting a ride to her house as she had lost her car keys. She had recently got her hair dyed at haircuttery for $45 in an "american redwood" color. Her shoes and handbag were Prada and were a gift from Mr. Webber as a token of their friendship."
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Originally posted by mark e smith:
Still Iraq was no threat at all to the US. The war on Iraq has nothing whatsoever to do with the war against terror, its just sloganering and taking advantage.
red herring!!!
tillman was killed in afganistan. . .i believe people on this board have supported action there since the former government of that country actively supported, maintained and harboured said terrorists.
on another note. . why is patriotism such a bad thing? using tillman again as an example, he wanted to do something for his country after 9/11, and decided that getting out on the front line was the best option. . .instead of standing in front of microphones and saying it, he went and joined the rangers. . .something like 10% of those that apply to join the rangers make it. i doubt that any of them harbour any rambo fantasy.
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I can see your point. So whose fault is it, the media or the audience? Is the general public more interested in Chris Webber's details, or does the media just incorrectly THINK that people are?
Originally posted by Bollocks:
Originally posted by My Balls Can DJ:
I don't have a problem with that. We do live in America. Why would they not make the comment about how many Americans were on board?
I understand what you're saying...but maybe I didn't expand enough....they just brush over the story if no doodles died. Like,
"a plane went down today in the mountains of Peru, no Americans were onboard. Chris Webber was today arrested for the second time for DWI. He was driving a Yellow H2 Hummer SUV with the wheat leather interior and brush guards. He also had the 6 disc CD changer installed and the 200watt subwoofer. The Hummer was fitted with chromed 24" spinner type wheel rims. The arresting officer was wearing a Seiko watch with chronograph alarm. Webber's passenger who iss a dancer at Good Guys bar in Georgetown had just finished her shift and was allegedly getting a ride to her house as she had lost her car keys. She had recently got her hair dyed at haircuttery for $45 in an "american redwood" color. Her shoes and handbag were Prada and were a gift from Mr. Webber as a token of their friendship." [/b]
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
. why is patriotism such a bad thing? [/b]
I think it's long been established that markie is afraid of patriotism.
Markie thinks he's billy bragg, I think it has something to do with matching noses and chins.
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who is Chris Webber?
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Thursday, April 29, 2004
UMass grad student: Tillman's not a hero
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"I could tell he was that type of macho guy, from his scowling, beefy face on the CNN pictures."
The kid who wrote the initiating editorial is obviously a prick. This line is just so inane....
But, he has a right to say what he does. Though I disagree with his arguments specifically, I too have been wearied by the media attention to one person among a ream of casualties all over the world.
This morning the CBS morning news show had an amazing piece, which is to me how we should be getting news of the casualties -- I missed the beginning, so I can't tell you what group of soldiers it was, but they posted pictures of each soldiered who'd been killed, one after the other with their age, rank and hometown. It was awful and moving -- all those lives are worth the same.
Balls, I understand your point on the children, but it still is pet peeve of mine that there's such inordinate attention given. The loss of a parent can WAY fuck up the children left behind, and vice versa of course. But any unexpected death leaves a ripple effect of hurt and damage.
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What I want answered is: When the Taliban come across the border from Pakistan into Afghanistan to strike...why can't we chase them once they flee across the Pakistani border?
It's exactly the same enemy strategy used with great success by the NVA infiltrating from Laos & Cambodia. And we know who won that one, don't we..?
What about our Pakistani allies, eh? I guess they are in the same league as our 'Good Friends' from Saudi Arabia. The Saudis have apparently taken a lesson from the Pennsylvania tourist board recently? What, with their bombarding the airwaves with the new ad slogan, "You've Got A Friend In Saudi Arabia"?
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""Quote""I missed the beginning, so I can't tell you what group of soldiers it was, but they posted pictures of each soldiered who'd been killed, one after the other with their age, rank and hometown. It was awful and moving -- all those lives are worth the same.""Unquote""
That's how I feel about the hate crimes law bullshit.....why does some maggot get a tougher punishment for killing a gay, black, asian, white etc. than for killing their ex, g/f, b/f, co-worker etc? Is the life of a gay or black etc, more valued than the rest so the punishment is greater? Can someone please explain that logic to me?
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Originally posted by Bollocks:
That's how I feel about the hate crimes law bullshit.....why does some maggot get a tougher punishment for killing a gay, black, asian, white etc. than for killing their ex, g/f, b/f, co-worker etc? Is the life of a gay or black etc, more valued than the rest so the punishment is greater? Can someone please explain that logic to me?
that is about the motive, not who was killed, punishment for murders is often based on motive
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
tillman was killed in afganistan. . .
on another note. . why is patriotism such a bad thing?
I keep forgetting that.... I guess my get off is, they should have tidied up in Afganistan, focussed solely on sorting that country and its neighbours (Pakistan, thanks Dupek) out, before starting another war somewhere else under the red herring of The War Against Terrorism.
As for patriotism, I did say I was hugely impressed by what Tillman did. I think he was remarkably brave. But patriotism to me is football hooligans and the NF draped in a Union Jack. But I find patriotism very inward looking and an insular point of view.
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Mank, I think the hate crimes issues is about the crimes being more incendiary and instigating further violence. Just a supposition on my part, and I'm not sure where I stand on it. But, I think that's the reasoning -- a lynching is intended not just to kill a particular person, but to incite further violence and killing against an entire group regardless of any personal particulars. And for some reason, folks are always more scared by random killing (as I think it shakes up their world view and comfort levels).
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Originally posted by mark e smith:
But patriotism to me is football hooligans and the NF draped in a Union Jack. But I find patriotism very inward looking and an insular point of view. [/b]
You'll probably know better than I, being college edumacated and all...but aren't those knobheads nationalists, not patriots?
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Originally posted by Bollocks:
""Quote""I missed the beginning, so I can't tell you what group of soldiers it was, but they posted pictures of each soldiered who'd been killed, one after the other with their age, rank and hometown. It was awful and moving -- all those lives are worth the same.""Unquote""
That's how I feel about the hate crimes law bullshit.....why does some maggot get a tougher punishment for killing a gay, black, asian, white etc. than for killing their ex, g/f, b/f, co-worker etc? Is the life of a gay or black etc, more valued than the rest so the punishment is greater? Can someone please explain that logic to me?
I think the point is more along the lines of, he assaulted a black person specifically BECAUSE he was black, or assaulted a gay person specifically BECAUSE he was gay. I'm not really of the opinion that having hate-crime laws will actually lower hate at all, though. However, in certain cases (say, murder in the heat of passion), when parole comes up I think they should consider the fact that it was a hate crime when they look at the ways he has reformed himself
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Originally posted by Macktastic Bag O' Flash:
Mank, I think the hate crimes issues is about the crimes being more incendiary and instigating further violence. Just a supposition on my part, and I'm not sure where I stand on it. But, I think that's the reasoning -- a lynching is intended not just to kill a particular person, but to incite further violence and killing against an entire group regardless of any personal particulars. And for some reason, folks are always more scared by random killing (as I think it shakes up their world view and comfort levels).
Maybe I'm being too black and white on the issue (no pun intended) but I don't think anyone kills another because they like them....it's usually because they 'hate' them, or if they're messed up in the head, love them and confuse that with hate, because it is a thin line after all. ;)
Where would the Columbine shootings fit in? That was random so would come under the hate crime clause...right? How about postal workers?
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A little publicity and the author relents:
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Thursday, April 29, 2004
Gonzalez says column 'not worth publishing'
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Associated Press
AMHERST, Mass. -- A University of Massachusetts at Amherst graduate student has apologized to Pat Tillman's family.
Rene Gonzalez wrote a column for the campus paper saying the football player-turned-soldier who died in combat in Afghanistan wasn't a hero -- but rather a "G.I. Joe guy who got what was coming to him."
Gonzalez did not respond to telephone and e-mail messages left Thursday by The Associated Press, but in an e-mail to Boston's WBZ-TV, he apologized to the Tillman family "for all the pain that my article has brought them."
Gonzalez said he was trying to convey that Tillman's celebrity came into play when the former Arizona Cardinals player was labeled a hero.
"I felt that his celebrity had been a factor in American society calling him a 'hero,' and I felt American society had arrived at that conclusion without much thinking, but rather as some sort of patriotic 'knee-jerk' into hero worship," he wrote. "That was my point. I did it [admittedly] in such an insensitive way, that the article was not worth publishing."
UMass president Jack Wilson issued a statement saying the comments in The Daily Collegian on Wednesday were "a disgusting, arrogant and intellectually immature attack on a human being who died in service to his country."
The newspaper's editorial board ran a letter to readers in Thursday's edition saying Gonzalez's views do not reflect The Collegian's opinion.
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Ok, now its my turn to speak. All's i have to say is that i wish i could have five minutes alone with Mr. Rene Gonzalez so i could beat the living shit out of that little twat. Actually, i wouldnt need five minutes, one minute will be enough time. I'll go Rambo on his dumbass. I don't know Pat Tilman but i respect what he did along with all the other Coalition soldiers who have lost their lives in Iraq/Afghanistan. I still believe like in many other countries that every one should do a two year stint in the military after high school so they can appreciate what these people go through and you finally do something for your country and not just sit back behind a desk critisizing everything. Yeah, i know you pay taxes, but so dont military personnel. Ok, i'm done, maybe a little carried away, but i really hate it when people diss military folk, having been one of course.
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee_a.k.a _Guiny:
all the other Coalition soldiers who have lost their lives in Iraq/Afghanistan.
err, what coalition? Isn't it just doodles and Brits now?
Military folk are like firefighters and cops...everyone seems to look down on them till they need them. And that's coming from a fellow ex-military.
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Originally posted by Bollocks:
err, what coalition? Isn't it just doodles and Brits now?
I believe there is still a smattering of South American countries still sending a dozen or so soldiers over there.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by Bollocks:
err, what coalition? Isn't it just doodles and Brits now?
I believe there is still a smattering of South American countries still sending a dozen or so soldiers over there. [/b]
They're just the landscaping crew~!
:D
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee_a.k.a _Guiny:
i wish i could have five minutes alone with Mr. Rene Gonzalez
Didn't Tillman go to war to fight for freedom at home? Freedom of speech and freedom not to live in fear?
In which case that would make you very silly.
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Originally posted by mark e smith:
Originally posted by Rob_Gee_a.k.a _Guiny:
i wish i could have five minutes alone with Mr. Rene Gonzalez
Didn't Tillman go to war to fight for freedom at home? Freedom of speech and freedom not to live in fear?
In which case that would make you very silly. [/b]
Maybe he went so he could kill people...in which case, MISSION ACCOMPLISHED! As our dictator said, what? a year ago......
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Originally posted by Bollocks:
Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by Bollocks:
err, what coalition? Isn't it just doodles and Brits now?
I believe there is still a smattering of South American countries still sending a dozen or so soldiers over there. [/b]
They're just the landscaping crew~!
:D [/b]
That was way more funny than it should of been! :D
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Originally posted by Bollocks:
As our dictator said, what? a year ago......
year ago tomorrow
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Considering the show at the 930 tonight, I think now is the appropriate time to post a PLEA FOR PEACE.
But um, who's going tonight? I want to see Cursive again, as I saw them in Septbember at the Negro Feline but had to leave early. Looks like I'll be going alone, so if anyone wants to talk politics in between bands, look for the chubby-faced 19 year old in the Mets cap.
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Wel that narrows it right down...
Originally posted by es9450a:
look for the chubby-faced 19 year old in the Mets cap.
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Originally posted by mark e smith:
Originally posted by Rob_Gee_a.k.a _Guiny:
i wish i could have five minutes alone with Mr. Rene Gonzalez
Didn't Tillman go to war to fight for freedom at home? Freedom of speech and freedom not to live in fear?
In which case that would make you very silly. [/b]
And it gives me the freedom to kick his ass.
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Originally posted by Bollocks:
err, what coalition? Isn't it just doodles and Brits now?
Don't forget the sausage squad! (http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/002/653hsdpu.asp)
<img src="http://www.specialoperations.com/Foreign/Poland/gromnaszywka.jpg" alt=" - " />
STREET THUNDER!
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee_a.k.a _Guiny:
And it gives me the freedom to kick his ass.
And then be sent to prison.
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Originally posted by mark e smith:
Originally posted by Rob_Gee_a.k.a _Guiny:
And it gives me the freedom to kick his ass.
And then be sent to prison. [/b]
I'd be alive and he would be dead, or wishing he was.
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee_a.k.a _Guiny:
Originally posted by mark e smith:
Originally posted by Rob_Gee_a.k.a _Guiny:
And it gives me the freedom to kick his ass.
And then be sent to prison. [/b]
I'd be alive and he would be dead, or wishing he was. [/b]
But then it would be your ass that's in trouble!
Personally, I think a good arse-kicking never hurt anyone...well it 'hurts' them, but you know what I mean.
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Originally posted by Bollocks:
But then it would be your ass that's in trouble!
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Oyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by es9450a:
Considering the show at the 930 tonight, I think now is the appropriate time to post a PLEA FOR PEACE, so if anyone wants to talk politics in between bands, look for the chubby-faced 19 year old in the Mets cap.
Screw (http://www.takeoneforthecountry.com/) peace!
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee_a.k.a _Guiny:
Originally posted by Bollocks:
But then it would be your ass that's in trouble!
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Oyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!!! [/QB]
Don't you mean...
Owwwwwwww!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :eek:
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hes dead. im over it
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More Gonzalez (http://www.countercurrents.org/iraq-berrios040404.htm)
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Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:
More Gonzalez (http://www.countercurrents.org/iraq-berrios040404.htm)
Doctoral candidate? Are they just handing those out these days?
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Irish Elk (http://mcns.blogspot.com/)
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Originally posted by Bollocks:
Owwwwwwww!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :p
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Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:
Irish Elk (http://mcns.blogspot.com/)
Classic:
Is it possible to make it through the doctoral program at the flagship public university in Massachusetts by simply regurgitating the Socialist Worker chapter and verse?
And doing so with such poor grammar, I might add.
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REne is a fuck up and their is nothing we can do. be grateful people are "fighting for your freedom" so you can write your fucking article.
Tillman didnt do any interviews becuz he didnt want to stand out and be this "hero" but the american public loves a hero and the news found one. they are all "heroes" but this person was knone to the public, and a grat story.
if you ask me we need rambos. rambo can take out a whole fucking military base by himself. that would meen we would need less soldiers and i wont get drafted in the future. also a shorter war..
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Originally posted by flawd101:
that would meen we would need less soldiers and i wont get drafted in the future. also a shorter war..
Good luck'
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Here's another example of one class of people being considered by the media as being more important than the average Joe's.
Not to make light of the incident but so many of the other similiar, and worse, crimes are way too often ignored by the media and by the very same person when commited against us.
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"Supreme Court Justice Souter Assaulted (http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040501/ap_on_go_su_co/souter_assaulted)
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WASHINGTON - Supreme Court Justice David Souter (news - web sites) suffered minor injuries when a group of young men assaulted him as he jogged on a city street, a court spokeswoman said Saturday.
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The attack occurred about 9 p.m. Friday, court spokeswoman Kathy Arberg said.
Supreme Court police took Souter, 64, to a Washington hospital, where he was examined and released about 1 a.m. Saturday, Arberg said. She did not detail his injuries except to say they were minor.
Souter was not robbed, Arberg said.
She gave no other details about the assault, or about any police investigation or arrests.
Metropolitan Police Dept. spokesman Sgt. Joe Gentile refused to comment. A spokeswoman for Washington Hospital Center also would not talk about the incident because of privacy rules.
Souter was running alone when he was attacked. He lives in a city neighborhood not far from the Supreme Court building on Capitol Hill, but it was unclear whether the assault occurred near his home.
Souter is among the youngest justices and is a regular jogger.
He is not the first justice to be injured while exercising. Justice Stephen Breyer (news - web sites) was thrown from his bicycle several years ago and suffered minor injuries.
Souter was named to the bench by the first President Bush (news - web sites) in 1990."
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Originally posted by flawd101:
if you ask me we need rambos. rambo can take out a whole fucking military base by himself. that would meen we would need less soldiers and i wont get drafted in the future. also a shorter war..
Two would be Rambo's took out a school in Littleton Colorado five years ago.
"Rambo's" are not mentally stable my friend.
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if they are in another country does mental stability matter?
as long as it isnt me getting shot....
i'm a lover, not a fighter.
actually i'm niether if you think about it...
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Originally posted by Jaguär:
"Supreme Court Justice Souter Assaulted (http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040501/ap_on_go_su_co/souter_assaulted)
WASHINGTON - Supreme Court Justice David Souter (news - web sites) suffered minor injuries when a group of young men assaulted him as he jogged on a city street, a court spokeswoman said Saturday.
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Was it a 'hate crime'?
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Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:
Originally posted by Jaguär:
"Supreme Court Justice Souter Assaulted (http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040501/ap_on_go_su_co/souter_assaulted)
WASHINGTON - Supreme Court Justice David Souter (news - web sites) suffered minor injuries when a group of young men assaulted him as he jogged on a city street, a court spokeswoman said Saturday.
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Was it a 'hate crime'? [/b]
Can't be, he's not black or gay.
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Have you a description of the assailants?