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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: markie on July 09, 2003, 10:41:00 pm
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Legendary British punk rockers hit the blackcat tomorrow?
Is anyone other than me really excited about this?
I wonder if they play any old hits? I mean they only have like 1000 recorded songs.....
The modern day proleteriat refuses to knuckle under!!!!
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I'm excited! Should be a highly entertaining show.
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arent they a little bit old and very much past it, whenever i see mark smiths ugly mug the saying "hes got a face like a bulldog licking piss off a nettle" comes to mind, enjoy the show.
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I saw the Fall about 8-9 years ago at the Black Cat. Of course, that was the night Mark E. decided to have a hissy fit and, if I remember correctly, walked off stage after about 20 minutes or so....then he came back out and played a tape recorder into the mic for a bit. Then he left again. It wasn't pretty. Hopefully he'll be in better spirits tonight; I'm passing on this one.
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Perhaps you shouldn't heckle this gig Scientist...
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All the fall songs sound the same.....
They had an early song, 1979? I think called Repitition.....
I was thinking of just shouting "repitition" repeatedly.
Sure the fall are old and their music doesnt sound any different to what they released in 1979. But they still release albums frequently. I imagine it will be like seeing living dinosaurs.
I have always wanted to see the fall since I first heard their cover of the kinks song victoria. How happy will I be tonight if they play that or hit the north, or repitition for that matter.
I predict it will be a great show, but they can be atonal and a bit wankie live. Definitely not a show for everyone.
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Since when are these guys "legend". Sort of like calling Molly Hatchett American "legends", don'tcha think?
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yeah, i'll be there. . .it's the fall.
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Sorry Markie, I really wanted to go, but I've got door duties tonight at the bar.
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Alright Smackie.....
You will have to schedule some time for us to tell us your stories......
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Originally posted by the scientist:
Alright Smackie.....
You will have to schedule some time for us to tell us your stories......
Will do. Idlewild?
And I'll post detials about the going away party soon as well.
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Since when are these guys "legend". Sort of like calling Molly Hatchett American "legends", don'tcha think?
No more like calling Lou Reed a legend. Or Iggy. On the edge but respected by many.
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[QUWill do. Idlewild?
And I'll post detials about the going away party soon as well. [/QB][/QUOTE]
Ok ,we will be there, dude.
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I might be there tonight.
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Since when are these guys "legend". Sort of like calling Molly Hatchett American "legends", don'tcha think?
I can't stand it when people make unintelligent comments. For god's sake, put away the Garth Brooks cd.
All Music Guide: "With his snarling, nearly incomprehensible vocals and consuming bitter cynicism, Smith became a cult legend in indie and alternative rock."
Recent NME review of one of their (his) albums "proving once again Mark E Smith is a national treasure".
"Still the band which others must be judged" -John Peel on the Fall.
But I don't need quotes to realize Mark E Smith is a legend. Any musician that can stick around for three decades without compromising their music integrity is a legend in my book.
He was a brilliant mess again tonight.
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Loved the show. Sounded great, he was on form, not too prissy. Fun watching Mark play with the guitar and bass amp volumes. So the keyboardist is his new wife I hear. Goth gal with Mark E.
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Originally posted by Sir HC:
So the keyboardist is his new wife I hear. Goth gal with Mark E.
As Bede pointed out last night, she looked like she hated him. She was giving him looks of disdain the whole night.
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You're a dope, Slappy. Since when does an opinion that differs from yours on something as subjective as music make my opinion unintelligent?
In my mind:
Legend: the Clash Not Legend: The Fall
Legend: Lynrd Skynrd Not Legend: Molly Hatchett
Legend: The Beatles Not Legend: Oasis
Legend: The Smiths Not Legend: the Housemartins
Legend: Hank Williams Not Legend: George Strait
Christ, not every good band can be called a legend. Get over it.
Originally posted by slappy:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Since when are these guys "legend". Sort of like calling Molly Hatchett American "legends", don'tcha think?
I can't stand it when people make unintelligent comments. For god's sake, put away the Garth Brooks cd.
All Music Guide: "With his snarling, nearly incomprehensible vocals and consuming bitter cynicism, Smith became a cult legend in indie and alternative rock."
Recent NME review of one of their (his) albums "proving once again Mark E Smith is a national treasure".
"Still the band which others must be judged" -John Peel on the Fall.
But I don't need quotes to realize Mark E Smith is a legend. Any musician that can stick around for three decades without compromising their music integrity is a legend in my book.
He was a brilliant mess again tonight. [/b]
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Originally posted by Bob Pollard:
Originally posted by Sir HC:
So the keyboardist is his new wife I hear. Goth gal with Mark E.
As Bede pointed out last night, she looked like she hated him. She was giving him looks of disdain the whole night. [/b]
yep that sounds about right............
she passed the wifey test............
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Originally posted by Bob Pollard:
Originally posted by Sir HC:
So the keyboardist is his new wife I hear. Goth gal with Mark E.
As Bede pointed out last night, she looked like she hated him. She was giving him looks of disdain the whole night. [/b]
Thought she had the look of "What have I gotten myself into".
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All married people have that look now and then. Some just do a better job than others of hiding it from the general public.
Originally posted by Sir HC:
Originally posted by Bob Pollard:
Originally posted by Sir HC:
So the keyboardist is his new wife I hear. Goth gal with Mark E.
As Bede pointed out last night, she looked like she hated him. She was giving him looks of disdain the whole night. [/b]
Thought she had the look of "What have I gotten myself into". [/b]
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I thought they were little looks of love.....
I know that they are little looks of love when my wife looks at me like that.
At the bar after the show the barman was saying how they had to revive Mark E with smelling salts as he was fuckfaced and that is why they came on stage so late.
I thought they sounded great though.
Did anyone recognise a single song?
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Originally posted by the scientist:
Did anyone recognise a single song?
From what your saying Mark E. didn't.
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Several songs I recognized. Didn't hit some of my fav's but did do New Big Prinz (last before the encore). Band had a great lock-step groove going.
Openers were good too. Anyone recognize the drummer from bartending at the 9:30?
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Originally posted by mankie:
Originally posted by the scientist:
Did anyone recognise a single song?
From what your saying Mark E. didn't. [/b]
No he performed flawlessly. His actions on stage were alittle erratic and odd. But he did sound really good. then isnt that what you say about your drunk mate shane, of the black teath?
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Originally posted by Sir HC:
Several songs I recognized. Didn't hit some of my fav's but did do New Big Prinz (last before the encore). Band had a great lock-step groove going.
Openers were good too. Anyone recognize the drummer from bartending at the 9:30?
Ahh new big Prinz that one did sound a little familiar, now I know why.
I was surprised that they didnt play any of their bigger selling singles....
no, hit the north or Victoria, or kurious Oranj or Frenz.
Come to think of it I wasnt surprised or dissappointed, I knew they wouldnt. I would have loved to have heard them though.
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Originally posted by the scientist:
No he performed flawlessly. His actions on stage were alittle erratic and odd. But he did sound really good. then isnt that what you say about your drunk mate shane, of the black teath?
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It's obviously been a while since you last saw Shane, (God bless him) He has no teeth these days.
I wish he were my mate, I'd love to go out on the piss with him.
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Originally posted by mankie:
I wish he were my mate
You do realize that "mate" has different connotations in the U.S.?
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Hey scientist markie wk....I just realized, I was thinking of The Farm, not The Fall. I was wondering why you were getting all erect and lubricated over the frigging Farm!
A couple too many rugby games will play havoc with a mans memory....oh, and the old age thing doesn't help either!
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Originally posted by ggw:
You do realize that "mate" has different connotations in the U.S.?
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and "buddy" has different connotations in UK!
We truly are two nations divided by a common language aren't we?
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
You're a dope, Slappy. Since when does an opinion that differs from yours on something as subjective as music make my opinion unintelligent?
In my mind:
Legend: the Clash Not Legend: The Fall
Legend: Lynrd Skynrd Not Legend: Molly Hatchett
Legend: The Beatles Not Legend: Oasis
Legend: The Smiths Not Legend: the Housemartins
Legend: Hank Williams Not Legend: George Strait
Christ, not every good band can be called a legend. Get over it.
Like I said unintelligent...
Music opinions may subjective but you could actually try listening to a band that you bash.
If you had actually heard the Fall you would realize they sound nothing like the Clash.
Newsflash! Not all British bands that formed in the late 70s are derivative of the Clash.
A more accurate analogy would be:
Legend: Jay Farrar Not a Legend: Rhett Miller
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Holy shit! That was his wife!? :eek: Well, I guess I shouldn't be too surprised. It's amazing what some women will put up with for art. She was very attractive....and young. In fact, I thought that she looked like an Indie Madame Alexander doll. As far as those looks, she just seemed dead inside all night. Almost no feeling towards anything except when he came over to move her mic and she seemed pissed off about that for some reason. Maybe he didn't want her singing anymore. LOL. That threw me off a bit as he moved it in a way that he seemed to be really pissed off about something. For a moment, I thought that they were going to get into a brawl right there on stage.
And what the f*(^ was that coat rack at the end about!?!?!? LOLOLOLOL. That made no sense whatsoever. Though that guy who came out cracked me up. He looked like the band had stopped off in West Virginia or Kentucky and picked up some stray from a My Morning Jacket show. He was wearing a Pabst cap and fat and all sraggely, having a good old time playing the rack of a broiler pan with a spoon. Sounded damn good too!
I've decided that Mark E. Smith is the Charles Bukowski of Manchester.
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Originally posted by mankie:
Hey scientist markie wk....I just realized, I was thinking of The Farm, not The Fall. I was wondering why you were getting all erect and lubricated over the frigging Farm!
Tool!!!
you big 'fing tool.
I thought of you last night, there were people in all sorts of Brit band T-shirts..... Smiths, Morrissey, cinerama, even a couple of Pogues Ts..... If you like music by these bands you should like the fall.
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Actually, I own a copy of he 12" for the Fall's "Telephone Thing" which came out in 1990, so I actually have listened to the band. And I never said they were derivative of the Clash. George Strait is certainly not derivative of Hank Williams, not are the Housemartins derivative of the Smiths, not my implication at all.
I never said Rhett Miller was a legend. I would say:
Legend: Gram Parsons Not Legend: Rhett Miller
To call Jay Farrar a legend would be a joke. He keeps putting out the same song over and over, and it gets less interesting every time.
Originally posted by slappy:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
You're a dope, Slappy. Since when does an opinion that differs from yours on something as subjective as music make my opinion unintelligent?
In my mind:
Legend: the Clash Not Legend: The Fall
Legend: Lynrd Skynrd Not Legend: Molly Hatchett
Legend: The Beatles Not Legend: Oasis
Legend: The Smiths Not Legend: the Housemartins
Legend: Hank Williams Not Legend: George Strait
Christ, not every good band can be called a legend. Get over it.
Like I said unintelligent...
Music opinions may subjective but you could actually try listening to a band that you bash.
If you had actually heard the Fall you would realize they sound nothing like the Clash.
Newsflash! Not all British bands that formed in the late 70s are derivative of the Clash.
A more accurate analogy would be:
Legend: Jay Farrar Not a Legend: Rhett Miller [/b]
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
To call Jay Farrar a legend would be a joke. He keeps putting out the same song over and over, and it gets less interesting every time.
There are a lot of people telling jokes out there then. How do you define being a legend, does that happen based on what you did or what you continue to do. Maybe you dont think Uncle Tupelo influenced a lot of people but a lot of people do and Farrar wrote a lot of their songs.
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We'll see if Jay Farrar is as revered in alt-country circles 20-30 years from now as Gram Parsons is today. If he is, I'll gladly grant him "legend" status.
When is the Jay Farrar tribute album coming out, anyway?
Originally posted by Bob Pollard:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
To call Jay Farrar a legend would be a joke. He keeps putting out the same song over and over, and it gets less interesting every time.
There are a lot of people telling jokes out there then. How do you define being a legend, does that happen based on what you did or what you continue to do. Maybe you dont think Uncle Tupelo influenced a lot of people but a lot of people do and Farrar wrote a lot of their songs. [/b]
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
We'll see if Jay Farrar is as revered in alt-country circles 20-30 years from now as Gram Parsons is today. If he is, I'll gladly grant him "legend" status.
When is the Jay Farrar tribute album coming out, anyway?
I wasn't aware there is a Jay Farrar tribute album coming out.
If you are making a point the legends have tribute albums, I am glad to hear you think that Weezer are legends. I am sure with some more thought I could come up with more dubious legends. Could you not see an eventual Uncle Tupelo tribute album?
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
To call Jay Farrar a legend would be a joke. He keeps putting out the same song over and over, and it gets less interesting every time.
yeah and he's got a retard's hair cut these days...poor Jay
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Who would play on an Uncle Tupelo tribute album? Probably lesser known bands... I was simply trying to point out that it's probably too early to really guage if Uncle Tupelo will have any kind of lasting impact, whereas it's quite certain that Gram Parsons has, as evidenced by the impressive array of artists who were on his tribute album (below). I mean what did Uncle Tupelo contribute to the music world that others hadn't already? Jason and the Scorchers were melding punk with country long before Uncle Tupelo ever formed...
1. She performed by Pretenders / Emmylou Harris - 4:51
2. Ooh Las Vegas performed by Cowboy Junkies - 5:21
3. Sin City performed by Beck / Emmylou Harris - 4:01
4. $1000 Wedding performed by Evan Dando / Juliana Hatfield - 3:07
5. Hot Burrito #1 performed by Mavericks - 3:54
6. High Fashion Queen performed by Chris Hillman / Steve Earle - 3:06
7. Juanita performed by Sheryl Crow / Emmylou Harris - 2:42
8. Sleepless Nights performed by Elvis Costello - 2:57
9. Return of the Grievous Angel performed by Lucinda Williams / David Crosby - 4:19
10. One Hundred Years from Now performed by Wilco - 2:53
11. A Song for You performed by Whiskeytown - 6:40
12. Hickory Wind performed by Gillian Welch - 4:38
13. In My Hour of Darkness performed by Rolling Creekdippers - 4:47
Originally posted by Bob Pollard:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
We'll see if Jay Farrar is as revered in alt-country circles 20-30 years from now as Gram Parsons is today. If he is, I'll gladly grant him "legend" status.
When is the Jay Farrar tribute album coming out, anyway?
I wasn't aware there is a Jay Farrar tribute album coming out.
If you are making a point the legends have tribute albums, I am glad to hear you think that Weezer are legends. I am sure with some more thought I could come up with more dubious legends. Could you not see an eventual Uncle Tupelo tribute album? [/b]
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Anyone hear about Coldplay coming back again?
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Who would play on an Uncle Tupelo tribute album? Probably lesser known bands... I was simply trying to point out that it's probably too early to really guage if Uncle Tupelo will have any kind of lasting impact, whereas it's quite certain that Gram Parsons has, as evidenced by the impressive array of artists who were on his tribute album (below). I mean what did Uncle Tupelo contribute to the music world that others hadn't already? Jason and the Scorchers were melding punk with country long before Uncle Tupelo ever formed...
Are you denying the fact that alot of people perceive Uncle Tupelo as one of the originators of Alt Country? Just because you believe they aren't doesn't make it so.
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Is that the legendary Britpop band Coldplay you're speaking of?
Originally posted by Jaguär:
Anyone hear about Coldplay coming back again?
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Are The Legendary Shack Shakers a legendary band?
I was reading a magazine at the gym, and they referred to Liz Phair as a "legendary indie rocker". I think that officially proves my initial point, that the word "legend" is overused.
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Are The Legendary Shack Shakers a legendary band?
I was reading a magazine at the gym, and they referred to Liz Phair as a "legendary indie rocker". I think that officially proves my initial point, that the word "legend" is overused.
That wasnt the point we were discussing, you said that calling Jay Farrar a legend is a joke, while I am not ready to call him a legend yet, I think there is some merit there and it is hardly the most preposterous use of the word.
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I'm legendary in some of the wilder parts of Aspen Hill -- that's Maryland for all that don't know.
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I think perhaps Uncle Tupelo someday has a chance of going down as "legends". I don't think Son Volt or Jay's solo stuff thus far stand a chance.
Just like the Beatles are legends, but Paul McCartney's solo output only qualifies him as a former member of a legendary band, with a gimp wife.
Originally posted by Bob Pollard:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Are The Legendary Shack Shakers a legendary band?
I was reading a magazine at the gym, and they referred to Liz Phair as a "legendary indie rocker". I think that officially proves my initial point, that the word "legend" is overused.
That wasnt the point we were discussing, you said that calling Jay Farrar a legend is a joke, while I am not ready to call him a legend yet, I think there is some merit there and it is hardly the most preposterous use of the word. [/b]
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
I think perhaps Uncle Tupelo someday has a chance of going down as "legends". I don't think Son Volt or Jay's solo stuff thus far stand a chance.
Just like the Beatles are legends, but Paul McCartney's solo output only qualifies him as a former member of a legendary band, with a gimp wife.
Still doesnt work, Paul McCartney is a legend, that doesnt change because of his solo work, the fact that he was a main songwriter for a legendary band makes him a legend.
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Originally posted by thirsty moore:
I'm legendary in some of the wilder parts of Aspen Hill -- that's Maryland for all that don't know.
There are tame parts of Aspen Hill?
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Just like the Beatles are legends, but Paul McCartney's solo output only qualifies him as a former member of a legendary band, with a gimp wife.
say say say what you want...hahahahah...I crack myself up...back to work for me now
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So who defines someone as a legend? Do you have to make it into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. I would say anyone there can legitimately claim legend status. After that, I guess it comes down to who are big influence bands. What of the Pixies? I would say they are getting to legend status with the number of bands that cite them as a huge influence (everyone from Nirvana to Bush). But for these bands it is a slippery slope and one with more wobble room.
Oh, and as far as I could tell when I went to the RNR Hall of Fame David Crosby is the most inducted person (3 times for the Byrds, Buffalo Springfield, CSN/Y).
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I see that even you were traumatized by the Senior Citizen uprising of '89.
Originally posted by ggw:
There are tame parts of Aspen Hill?
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David Crosby is also in the lesbian Hall of Fame. The only male inductee, as far as I know. I'll check with my inside sources on that.
I don't know, I think transpiration of time also has something to do with it for me personally. The Pixies are a little too recent, though they're getting close. Uncle Tupelo is far too recent.
Originally posted by Sir HC:
So who defines someone as a legend? Do you have to make it into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. I would say anyone there can legitimately claim legend status. After that, I guess it comes down to who are big influence bands. What of the Pixies? I would say they are getting to legend status with the number of bands that cite them as a huge influence (everyone from Nirvana to Bush). But for these bands it is a slippery slope and one with more wobble room.
Oh, and as far as I could tell when I went to the RNR Hall of Fame David Crosby is the most inducted person (3 times for the Byrds, Buffalo Springfield, CSN/Y).
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Bob & Rhett are cracking me up. Sounds like too many discussions I've been in after too many "happy" hours at Larry's Lounge. But we had the argument over Rush.
Rush, legend or prog rock wankers.
Now go, boys, go!
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Larry's Lounge: friendly neighborhood bar, or fag bar?
Given that bags is probably the only patron the place has ever had, only (s)he could tell us.
Rush are closer to legendary status in my mind than Uncle Tupelo or the Fall. Though I don't like them enough to actually own an album.
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Legendary prog rock wankers.
ByTor And The SnowDog ROCKS!
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Geddy could shriek like Mariah Carey and play bass at the same time. That's legendary.
That said, Exit.. Stage Left is a sweet live album. Most of their work up to Presto was good. After that they got a bit lame.
No, I don't play Dungeons and Dragons.
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Originally posted by Sir HC:
Oh, and as far as I could tell when I went to the RNR Hall of Fame David Crosby is the most inducted person (3 times for the Byrds, Buffalo Springfield, CSN/Y).
isn't clapton in there like 5 times?
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Without a doubt, Rush is legendary.
A trio with that much sound, and Geddy Lee and Neil Peart were two of the best at their instruments.
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Larry's Lounge: friendly neighborhood bar, or fag bar?
Given that bags is probably the only patron the place has ever had, only (s)he could tell us.
Rush are closer to legendary status in my mind than Uncle Tupelo or the Fall. Though I don't like them enough to actually own an album.
She (me) says friendly neighborhood bar! Wish there were more places like it. Only drawback to living in Woodley Park -- no neighborhood bars in my own neighborhood.
You can get Micky widemouths at Larry's. How friggin' cool is that? I'll take my malt liquor like a (wo)man, thank you very much -- none of this Skyy Vodka trendy malt liquor shit masquerading as actual drinks....
:D
By the way, that was (wo)man responding to (s)he, not womyn -- don't get me all tangled up in that poli-correct mess!
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Actually, I own a copy of he 12" for the Fall's "Telephone Thing" which came out in 1990, so I actually have listened to the band. And I never said they were derivative of the Clash. George Strait is certainly not derivative of Hank Williams, not are the Housemartins derivative of the Smiths, not my implication at all.
Nice response. Too bad you left out the part about The Beatles-Legends Oasis-Not Legends
Lynyrd Skynyrd-Legends Molly Hatchett-Not Legends
That was convienently right after the Clash-Fall comparison.
So yer saying Oasis and Molly Hatchett aren't derivative?
It must be cool to be able to judge bands that have released over 3000 songs by owning one 12" single.
I think John Steinbeck sucks. I read page 23 of 'Grapes of Wrath' and it was just average.
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
I don't know, I think transpiration of time also has something to do with it for me personally. The Pixies are a little too recent, though they're getting close. Uncle Tupelo is far too recent.
So Uncle Tupelo will be getting close in a couple of years.
Albums-
Pixies - First=1987 Last=1991
Uncle Tupelo - First=1990 Last=1993
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Originally posted by slappy:
I read page 23 of 'Grapes of Wrath' and it was just average.
That was my least favorite page too. I thought that damn turtle was going to make it.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by slappy:
I read page 23 of 'Grapes of Wrath' and it was just average.
That was my least favorite page too. I thought that damn turtle was going to make it. [/b]
So, would that be "The Grape Of Wrath"?
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Originally posted by thirsty moore:
I'm legendary in some of the wilder parts of Aspen Hill -- that's Maryland for all that don't know.
So YOU'RE the third sniper? We have our theories in Aspen Hill that there was a third one involved who drove around in a white van to put Moosey off the trail.
Right, that's it...I'm going back to read the bitch fight between Rhett and Bob.
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Who are Uncle tupelo?
I have never heard one of their songs hopefully I never will. Clearly she is not a legend to me.
Legend is such a subjective term....
I guess there are class A legends like Hendrix or the guy from the doors with the large willy
Its pretty hard to argue about class A legends.
then there are class B legends pretty popular and newsworthy, but no large willy. Perhaps the Smiths or the Pixies.
then there are class C legends,
cult bands who did something great,
say television or the fall.
than there are class D legends. Bands or artistes who only the mentally deranged would describe as legends, perhaps uncle tupelo and oasis.
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Originally posted by mankie:
So YOU'RE the third sniper? We have our theories in Aspen Hill that there was a third one involved who drove around in a white van to put Moosey off the trail.
thirsty is much more likely to be driven in a white van than drive a white van.
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The Fall were played rather regularly on my college radio station back in the late 80's. Thus I've heard way more than one song. Given that they seem to get little left of the dial radio attention these days, I would have to surmise that they won't be going down as legends.
Yes, Hatchett and Oasis were derivative. I'm not sure what your point is at this juncture. I picked several that were derivative, several that were not. Derivation was never my point in the first place.
Originally posted by slappy:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Actually, I own a copy of he 12" for the Fall's "Telephone Thing" which came out in 1990, so I actually have listened to the band. And I never said they were derivative of the Clash. George Strait is certainly not derivative of Hank Williams, not are the Housemartins derivative of the Smiths, not my implication at all.
Nice response. Too bad you left out the part about The Beatles-Legends Oasis-Not Legends
Lynyrd Skynyrd-Legends Molly Hatchett-Not Legends
That was convienently right after the Clash-Fall comparison.
So yer saying Oasis and Molly Hatchett aren't derivative?
It must be cool to be able to judge bands that have released over 3000 songs by owning one 12" single.
I think John Steinbeck sucks. I read page 23 of 'Grapes of Wrath' and it was just average. [/b]
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
Originally posted by Sir HC:
Oh, and as far as I could tell when I went to the RNR Hall of Fame David Crosby is the most inducted person (3 times for the Byrds, Buffalo Springfield, CSN/Y).
isn't clapton in there like 5 times? [/b]
Don't think so but am not sure. They had a montage of all the years inductees and I remember him in twice (Cream and solo I believe). I guess he could be there for the Yardbirds, John Mayall, and that 70's band after Cream whose name escapes me.
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Originally posted by the scientist:
Who are Uncle tupelo?
A Van Morrison cover band.
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Originally posted by ggw:
A Van Morrison cover band. [/QB][/QUOTE]
do you remeber when they used to sing sha la la la la la la la la la lerrrr lar le la?
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Originally posted by Sir HC:
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
Originally posted by Sir HC:
Oh, and as far as I could tell when I went to the RNR Hall of Fame David Crosby is the most inducted person (3 times for the Byrds, Buffalo Springfield, CSN/Y).
isn't clapton in there like 5 times? [/b]
Don't think so but am not sure. They had a montage of all the years inductees and I remember him in twice (Cream and solo I believe). I guess he could be there for the Yardbirds, John Mayall, and that 70's band after Cream whose name escapes me. [/b]
Blind Faith.
Clapton is in 3 times - Yardbirds, Cream and solo:
http://www.rockhall.com/hof/inductee.asp?id=79 (http://www.rockhall.com/hof/inductee.asp?id=79)
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there is a lie in the rock and roll hall of fame website
"Mayall asked the budding star to join his group, the Bluesbreakers. He appeared on the remarkable 1966 recording Bluesbreakers--John Mayall With Eric Clapton. During his yearlong tenure with Mayall, Clapton earned the nickname "Slowhand" and inspired the scrawling of "Clapton Is God" graffiti around London. Next he joined fellow Mayall alumni Jack Bruce and Ginger Baker"
I have the first pressing of the first yardbirds album from 1964. There is a picture of Eric on the back titled Eric "slowhand" Clapton.
I am pretty sad, huh?
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
The Fall were played rather regularly on my college radio station back in the late 80's. Thus I've heard way more than one song. Given that they seem to get little left of the dial radio attention these days, I would have to surmise that they won't be going down as legends.
Yes, Hatchett and Oasis were derivative. I'm not sure what your point is at this juncture. I picked several that were derivative, several that were not. Derivation was never my point in the first place.
Well with this logic you clearly contradict yourself.
George Strait is a legend and Hank Williams is not. George clearly gets more 'left of the radio dial attention these days'.
I have no point. I merely made the statement about your unintelligent initial post about the Fall. You've done a great job of proving it is true! :p
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Originally posted by ggw:
Originally posted by Sir HC:
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
Originally posted by Sir HC:
Oh, and as far as I could tell when I went to the RNR Hall of Fame David Crosby is the most inducted person (3 times for the Byrds, Buffalo Springfield, CSN/Y).
isn't clapton in there like 5 times? [/b]
Don't think so but am not sure. They had a montage of all the years inductees and I remember him in twice (Cream and solo I believe). I guess he could be there for the Yardbirds, John Mayall, and that 70's band after Cream whose name escapes me. [/b]
Blind Faith.
Clapton is in 3 times - Yardbirds, Cream and solo:
http://www.rockhall.com/hof/inductee.asp?id=79 (http://www.rockhall.com/hof/inductee.asp?id=79) [/b]
Okay, I must have missed the Yardbirds induction on the montage. So what do they do with such bands as the Yardbirds (Clapton, Jeff Beck and Jimmy Page were all the guitarist at one stage or another), induct all the members from different incarnations. God forbid that Guided By Voices get inducted then.
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What left of the dial radio stations play George Strait? The only radio stations you'll hear him on are mainstream country stations, as far as I know.
Originally posted by slappy:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
The Fall were played rather regularly on my college radio station back in the late 80's. Thus I've heard way more than one song. Given that they seem to get little left of the dial radio attention these days, I would have to surmise that they won't be going down as legends.
Yes, Hatchett and Oasis were derivative. I'm not sure what your point is at this juncture. I picked several that were derivative, several that were not. Derivation was never my point in the first place.
Well with this logic you clearly contradict yourself.
George Strait is a legend and Hank Williams is not. George clearly gets more 'left of the radio dial attention these days'.
I have no point. I merely made the statement about your unintelligent initial post about the Fall. You've done a great job of proving it is true! :p [/b]
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Originally posted by Sir HC:
Originally posted by ggw:
Originally posted by Sir HC:
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
Originally posted by Sir HC:
Oh, and as far as I could tell when I went to the RNR Hall of Fame David Crosby is the most inducted person (3 times for the Byrds, Buffalo Springfield, CSN/Y).
isn't clapton in there like 5 times? [/b]
Don't think so but am not sure. They had a montage of all the years inductees and I remember him in twice (Cream and solo I believe). I guess he could be there for the Yardbirds, John Mayall, and that 70's band after Cream whose name escapes me. [/b]
Blind Faith.
Clapton is in 3 times - Yardbirds, Cream and solo:
http://www.rockhall.com/hof/inductee.asp?id=79 (http://www.rockhall.com/hof/inductee.asp?id=79) [/b]
Okay, I must have missed the Yardbirds induction on the montage. So what do they do with such bands as the Yardbirds (Clapton, Jeff Beck and Jimmy Page were all the guitarist at one stage or another), induct all the members from different incarnations. God forbid that Guided By Voices get inducted then. [/b]
There is some discretion on who is inducted. I recall something about the guy who played bass for AC/DC on High Voltage and Let There Be Rock being snubbed by the Young brothers and excluded from induction.
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Originally posted by the scientist:
than there are class D legends. Bands or artistes who only the mentally deranged would describe as legends, perhaps uncle tupelo and oasis.
And Nirvana.
Then there's the class E legends that would come under the heading, "personal legengs". For example, shows you saw that you will never forget, even though the artist probably didn't make much of a dent on the music world.
For me that would be Ian Dury and the Blockheads, Steve Harley and Cockney Rebel and Shane, God bless him, MacGowan to name just a few.
Shane MacGowan is a legend but what class would you put him in...He's defiately an E for me but I think he also deserves to be in a different class as well.
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
What left of the dial radio stations play George Strait? The only radio stations you'll hear him on are mainstream country stations, as far as I know.
Exactly meathead!
George gets more play left AND right of the dial.
Hank gets very little to none.
Therefore following your own logic. George is a legend and Hank isn't. You did make this reference to the Fall!
Since Clear Channel owns something like 70% of the radio dial. I guess they now are the purveyors of 'legendary' standards.
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Are you not familiar with the term "left of the dial"? Listen to the Replacements song.
Left of the dial refers to public and college radio stations to the far left of your radio dial, to the left of 92. Clear Channel does not own any of these stations. You will be able to hear quite a bit of Hank, and little George. But in his defense, George Strait is quite a bit more palatable than Garth.
Originally posted by slappy:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
What left of the dial radio stations play George Strait? The only radio stations you'll hear him on are mainstream country stations, as far as I know.
Exactly meathead!
George gets more play left AND right of the dial.
Hank gets very little to none.
Therefore following your own logic. George is a legend and Hank isn't. You did make this reference to the Fall!
Since Clear Channel owns something like 70% of the radio dial. I guess they now are the purveyors of 'legendary' standards. [/b]
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Are you not familiar with the term "left of the dial"? Listen to the Replacements song.
Left of the dial refers to public and college radio stations to the far left of your radio dial, to the left of 92. Clear Channel does not own any of these stations. You will be able to hear quite a bit of Hank, and little George. But in his defense, George Strait is quite a bit more palatable than Garth.
The Clear Channel references go right over my head since I don't listen to any commercial radio stations.
Originally posted by slappy:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
What left of the dial radio stations play George Strait? The only radio stations you'll hear him on are mainstream country stations, as far as I know.
Exactly meathead!
George gets more play left AND right of the dial.
Hank gets very little to none.
Therefore following your own logic. George is a legend and Hank isn't. You did make this reference to the Fall!
Since Clear Channel owns something like 70% of the radio dial. I guess they now are the purveyors of 'legendary' standards. [/b]
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Why do you hope you will never hear an Uncle Tupelo song if you've never heard one yet? How do you know you won't like them?
Unclle Tupelo played the Old 9:30 Club a number of times back in the early 90's. You probably would have been too busy listening to your wussy Erasure and Depeche Mode albums to take notice even if you had been in this country. :)
Originally posted by the scientist:
Who are Uncle tupelo?
I have never heard one of their songs hopefully I never will. Clearly she is not a legend to me.
Legend is such a subjective term....
I guess there are class A legends like Hendrix or the guy from the doors with the large willy
Its pretty hard to argue about class A legends.
then there are class B legends pretty popular and newsworthy, but no large willy. Perhaps the Smiths or the Pixies.
then there are class C legends,
cult bands who did something great,
say television or the fall.
than there are class D legends. Bands or artistes who only the mentally deranged would describe as legends, perhaps uncle tupelo and oasis.
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Yeh, the ones that meet in church basements.
Originally posted by mankie:
He's defiately an E for me but I think he also deserves to be in a different class as well.
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Originally posted by thirsty moore:
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Yeh, the ones that meet in church basements.
HA! I can see it now.
"Hello, my name is Shane and I'm an alcoholic"
"NO SHIT!" reply the fellow AAA members.
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Originally posted by thirsty moore:
Yeh, the ones that meet in church basements.
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Originally posted by mankie:
HA! I can see it now.
"Hello, my name is Shane and I'm an alcoholic"
"NO SHIT!" reply the fellow AAA members.
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Odd place for such an admission, though I'll admit that drinking and driving don't mix. ;)
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Is that the legendary Britpop band Coldplay you're speaking of?
Originally posted by Jaguär:
Anyone hear about Coldplay coming back again?
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Legends = topocentric! Atomic Kitten, Busted and Coldplay are all legends in their own minds presently in the UK. More hype than talent.
Legend: Rory Gallagher Not Legend: Jack White?