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Title: Ottobar tonight
Post by: Dandy01 on February 01, 2003, 04:20:00 pm: SET IT OFF! Saturday, February 1st it's SET IT OFF, a DJ invasion at Baltimore's OTTOBAR featuring DJ's Will Eastman (bliss), Lil' E (right round), Craig Boarman (underground), Halo (ceremony) Steve EP (cry fest), Cullen Stalin (taxidermy lodge) and Matt Walter (underground). This night is not to be missed. A great lineup of really cool DJ's from Baltimore and DC. Expect to hear Rock, Punk, Electro, New Wave, Synth Pop, Indie Rock/Pop and much more!! Set It Off @ the Ottobar 2549 N. Howard St. Baltimore <A HREF="http://www.theottobar.com" TARGET=_blank>www.theottobar.com[/url] Doors open @ 9pm. Drink specials 'til 10pm... $2 rail drinks, $2 drafts, & $1.50 Bud bottles!!! $5 cover, $6 if ages 18-20.See you there... or not. Sorry for the late notice.
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Post by: Herr Professor Doktor Doom on February 01, 2003, 07:59:00 pm: hmm... tempting, but too far. (http://www.930.com/ubb/frown.gif)
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Post by: Dandy01 on February 03, 2003, 03:10:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Doctor Doom: hmm... tempting, but too far. (http://www.930.com/ubb/frown.gif)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Doom, I saw acquaintances of yours and thought you may be around, alas..
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Post by: Herr Professor Doktor Doom on February 03, 2003, 07:06:00 pm: Alas, I was not! But the next DC Bliss I shall be....
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Post by: Dandy01 on February 03, 2003, 08:00:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Doctor Doom: Alas, I was not! But the next DC Bliss I shall be.... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Don't know if I'll make that, but I'll be at Crybaby night, sniff.
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Post by: paige on February 03, 2003, 08:48:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Dandy01: Don't know if I'll make that, but I'll be at Crybaby night, sniff.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Moz vs. Robert? yeah i can't wait for that!
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Post by: Dandy01 on February 03, 2003, 08:56:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by paige: Moz vs. Robert? yeah i can't wait for that!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>That's right, did you see the flyers? pretty funny! boxers or briefs? hehe.
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Post by: paige on February 03, 2003, 09:07:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Dandy01: That's right, did you see the flyers? pretty funny! boxers or briefs? hehe.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>i prefer boxers. on guys that is. i want moz to win. any boy who wears red lipstick should never defeat the best songwriter of all time.
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Post by: Dandy01 on February 04, 2003, 02:15:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by paige: i prefer boxers. on guys that is. i want moz to win. any boy who wears red lipstick should never defeat the best songwriter of all time. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Should be a good match though, I've been to other events thrown by the same DJs and was thoroughly impressed.
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Post by: Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer on February 04, 2003, 02:17:00 pm: Unless a guy has chicken legs, he's look better in briefs.Smiths have stood the test of time better than the Cure for me.
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Post by: wingelbert humptyback on February 04, 2003, 02:24:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by paige: i prefer boxers. on guys that is. i want moz to win. any boy who wears red lipstick should never defeat the best songwriter of all time. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>best songwriter of all time? now that's a bold statement! reminds me of one day when i saw an "employee pick" at olsson's books that said morrisey and marr were a greater songwriting duo than lennon and mccartney. i think i stared at it in disbelief for a good 2 minutes. i can only hope someone lost their job over that.
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Post by: Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer on February 04, 2003, 03:01:00 pm: Kids these days don't remember any music prior to the 80's. The Smiths are their classic rock.
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Post by: keithstg on February 04, 2003, 03:48:00 pm: I was marvelling at the same employee pick at the 19th street olsson's yesterday. Amazing. Oh well.
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Post by: keithstg on February 04, 2003, 03:50:00 pm: Forgot to add that it was amazing they left out seals and crofts...
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Post by: markie on February 04, 2003, 03:50:00 pm: I have read that too.Difference is I agree with it. The beatles are boring as fuck.give me the queen is dead anyday.
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Post by: Dandy01 on February 04, 2003, 04:04:00 pm: 3 for Moz/0 for Robert. Aww..
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Post by: Fico on February 04, 2003, 04:11:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by markie: I have read that too.Difference is I agree with it. The beatles are boring as fuck.give me the queen is dead anyday.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I still can't believe that someone who forks 35.00 quid for a shite band like Soft Cell can so openly dismiss the Beatles..the greatest band to make music on earth.
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Post by: jadetree on February 04, 2003, 04:12:00 pm: While on the topic of Marr, for those of you who enjoyed the cover of There Is A Light That Never Goes Out at the Neil Finn show, I just discovered that Finn performs it with Marr on Finn's live cd, 7 Worlds Collide.
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Post by: Fico on February 04, 2003, 04:19:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by jadetree: While on the topic of Marr, for those of you who enjoyed the cover of There Is A Light That Never Goes Out at the Neil Finn show, I just discovered that Finn performs it with Marr on Finn's live cd, 7 Worlds Collide.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Good for you Ginger, did you get a scarf for the discovery??
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Post by: markie on February 04, 2003, 04:25:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Fico: I still can't believe that someone who forks 35.00 quid for a shite band like Soft Cell can so openly dismiss the Beatles..the greatest band to make music on earth.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>$35 for soft cell would be money much better spent than $100 or more on McCartney. Both acts are well past their sell by date apparently.
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Post by: markie on February 04, 2003, 04:27:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Dandy01: 3 for Moz/0 for Robert. Aww..<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>the smiths splitting up meant they couldnt sully their good name by half hearted low quality come back albums.thank god.
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Post by: markie on February 04, 2003, 04:28:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by jadetree: I just discovered that Finn performs it with Marr on Finn's live cd, 7 Worlds Collide.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Hum, I dont normally like "live" videos. That might be worth getting though....Ow, by the way anyone got any tick repellant?
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Post by: Dandy01 on February 04, 2003, 04:31:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by markie: the smiths splitting up meant they couldnt sully their good name by half hearted low quality come back albums.thank god.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>yeah, I personally prefer Staring at the Sea: The Singles; from there, it goes downhill.
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Post by: not too shabby on February 04, 2003, 04:42:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Dandy01: 3 for Moz/0 for Robert. Aww..<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I'll throw in one for Mr. Smith. Disintegration = greatest album ever.
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Post by: Fico on February 04, 2003, 04:54:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by markie: $35 for soft cell would be money much better spent than $100 or more on McCartney. Both acts are well past their sell by date apparently.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>McCartney is McCartney, the Beatles are the Beatles, McCartney is NOT the Beatles... thats like saying Morrisey playing Smiths songs is the Smiths..
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Post by: markie on February 04, 2003, 05:00:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Fico: McCartney is McCartney, the Beatles are the Beatles, McCartney is NOT the Beatles... thats like saying Morrisey playing Smiths songs is the Smiths..<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>so the Beatles like the smiths and clash split up before their work decended into rubbish.Of that we can be thankful.So what. The beatles still say nothing to me about my life.
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Post by: markie on February 04, 2003, 05:01:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by not too shabby: I'll throw in one for Mr. Smith. Disintegration = greatest album ever.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>but its not even as good as kiss me kiss me kiss me.Shame on you.
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Post by: Fico on February 04, 2003, 05:08:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>The beatles still say nothing to me about my life.[/B]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>It's hard when yer a manchild with a torn on your side...
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Post by: wingelbert humptyback on February 04, 2003, 05:08:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by markie: The beatles still say nothing to me about my life.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Since when is that a measure of good song writing? What does Beethoven say to you about your life?To ignore the impact the Beatles and their body of work has had on the music industry and all bands after them (including the Smiths) would be extremely narrow-minded. They were innovative and influential in a way the Smiths could never even dream of achieving. Hell, I am sure I listen to the Smiths a good bit more often than the Beatles.. but that doesn't make them a better band.
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Post by: Sir HC on February 04, 2003, 05:21:00 pm: I think this whole agrument goes back to the Oasis-sshole quote that if they were around first in the 60's they would have been bigger than the Beatles. If the Beatles had not kicked up the singer-songwriter market to the level it became, and the hysteria for British bands, the Smiths might never have formed. Definitely true for Oasis.
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Post by: not too shabby on February 04, 2003, 05:25:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by markie: but its not even as good as kiss me kiss me kiss me.Shame on you.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Nope, Disintegration is much better, and I will not be shamed.
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Post by: Fico on February 04, 2003, 05:41:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by not too shabby: Nope, Disintegration is much better, and I will not be shamed.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Tell you what.. you put "Galore" against any of the "Best of Smiths" compilations and its definitely a toss up..they both amassed an outstanding body of work that at least to my ears still sound as fresh and relevant as 10 years ago...Not to mention that Galore doesn't include gems included in other compilations such as staring at the sea...
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Post by: Dr. Anton Phibes on February 04, 2003, 05:45:00 pm: When I think of The Cure........It always comes back to "Pornography"......love that damn album......and I saw 'em about half a dozen times for other albums......none compared......
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Post by: markie on February 04, 2003, 05:52:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by wingelbert humptyback: They were innovative and influential in a way the Smiths could never even dream of achieving. vsHell, I am sure I listen to the Smiths a good bit more often than the Beatles.. but that doesn't make them a better band.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>So the smiths are directly more influential on you than the Beatles.That was the point I was making. WELL DONE,fool.
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Post by: SPARX on February 04, 2003, 05:54:00 pm: The tour for The Top back at the old Ontario Theatre was a damn fine show.'84 I believe.
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Post by: markie on February 04, 2003, 05:56:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Fico: Tell you what.. you put "Galore" against any of the "Best of Smiths" compilations and its definitely a toss up <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>But the difference not conveyed by this is that all of the smiths songs are of a consistent good quality. Virtually every track could be a single. Infact I defy you to name one that couldnt, other than the rather obvious choice of the two instrumentals.The cure on the other hand had plenty of filler and album tracks of a considerably lower quality.
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Post by: not too shabby on February 04, 2003, 05:59:00 pm: Ah, but everyone stumbles a few times on the way to greatness.I wouldn't say that every track on every Smiths album is single-worthy, either, but that's just my opinion.
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Post by: markie on February 04, 2003, 06:02:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by not too shabby: I wouldn't say that every track on every Smiths album is single-worthy, either, but that's just my opinion.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>name one!!!(not oscillate wildly or Draize train or golden lights)
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Post by: not too shabby on February 04, 2003, 06:12:00 pm: Well, for one, I will skip "I know it's over" 7 times out of 10, if I'm near the "next" button. I just find it to be sort of boring. There are Cure songs that I would skip, too. I can't think of any band that puts out 100 percent greatness, every single time.Maybe I'm just impatient. I have a habit of skipping through things to get to other things. Maybe I'm just that excited to get to the rest of the fabulous songs on the album?
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Post by: Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer on February 04, 2003, 06:15:00 pm: While the production is more detailed than before, the Smiths are at their best when they stick to their strengths â?? "The Headmaster Ritual" and "I Want the One I Can't Have" are fine elaborations of the formula they laid out on the debut, while "Rusholme Ruffians" is an infectious stab at rockabilly. However, the rest of Meat Is Murder is muddled, repeating lyrical and musical ideas of before without significantly expanding them or offering enough hooks or melodies to make it the equal of The Smiths or Hatful of Hollow.
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Post by: markie on February 04, 2003, 06:28:00 pm: OK,I tend not to trust allmusic that far. Certainly mine own expert views often contradict with their writers. I find they often compare a bands output with references only to that particular band and with hinsight to the bands entire work. So if all the albums by a group are masterpieces, they will find flaws that sound fatal, but really are not there.Look at the track list of meat is murder and I think all the songs are pretty damn good personally. 1. Â The Headmaster Ritual (Marr/Morrissey) - 4:52 Â 2. Â Rusholme Ruffians (Marr/Morrissey) - 4:19 Â 3. Â I Want the One I Can't Have (Marr/Morrissey) - 3:13 Â 4. Â What She Said (Marr/Morrissey) - 2:40 Â reviewÂ Â Â 5. Â That Joke Isn't Funny Anymore (Marr/Morrissey) - 4:57 Â reviewÂ Â Â 6. Â How Soon Is Now? (Marr/Morrissey) - 6:43 Â 7. Â Nowhere Fast (Marr/Morrissey) - 2:35 Â 8. Â Well I Wonder (Marr/Morrissey) - 4:00 Â 9. Â Barbarism Begins at Home (Marr/Morrissey) - 6:55 Â 10. Â Meat Is Murder Here is what allmusic thought :"the lovely melancholy of "I Know It's Over""I do agree with that one.
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Post by: Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer on February 04, 2003, 06:32:00 pm: personally, i much prefer meat is murder to their debut. i only actyually liked a few songs on the debut, and they were included on hatful of hollow. don't like the title track to meat is murder, though I agree with the sentiment.
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Post by: markie on February 04, 2003, 06:36:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Rhett Miller: personally, i much prefer meat is murder to their debut. i only actyually liked a few songs on the debut, and they were included on hatful of hollow. don't like the title track to meat is murder, though I agree with the sentiment.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>well the debut has serious production problems. A number of songs on there sound much better on hatful of hollow.Still suffer the little children is only on the Smiths album and it is one of their finest songs.
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Post by: Fico on February 04, 2003, 06:37:00 pm: Been a long time since we had a polite and proper discussion on this board...well done
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Post by: Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer on February 04, 2003, 06:39:00 pm: and allmusic gives the debut 5 stars and meat is murder 3. i would say 3 for the debut and 4 for meat is murder.
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Post by: wingelbert humptyback on February 04, 2003, 06:41:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by markie: So the smiths are directly more influential on you than the Beatles.That was the point I was making. WELL DONE,fool.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I didn't realize that judging who was a better song writer could all be summed up by which band I happen to listen to more. How exciting! I really do appreciate the attention and your willingness to acknowledge how important my opinion is. You're really such a sweetheart.Suffice it to say (if you haven't caught up by now), making the point that they are more directly influential on me has literally nothing to do with anything. Lately I've listened to Interpol more than the Beatles, does that mean they are more prolific songwriters as well? Hardly. By the way, I know an eight year old that does nothing but listen to BB Mak. If you want I can put you in touch with her so you can let her know that means they are better songwriters than the Beatles as well.
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Post by: markie on February 04, 2003, 06:45:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Rhett Miller: and allmusic gives the debut 5 stars and meat is murder 3. i would say 3 for the debut and 4 for meat is murder.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I tend to agree with you......I guess The Smiths gets more stars as in a lot of ways it set the bands songwriting style and a number of songs on the album the smiths never bettered. But Hatful of hollow really did showcase how those songs should have sounded in the firstplace. But then as an album Hatful is little odd, in my opinion a good collection of songs not held well together.Something that I dont find to be true of any of their subsequent albums.
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Post by: Joymonster on February 04, 2003, 06:46:00 pm: I'd give their debut a solid four stars, and "Meat Is Murder" three stars. I liked "Meat Is Murder" but felt as an album it was a bit uneven, especially with the inclusion of "How Soon Is Now", which didn't fit in with the other songs musically. "Hatful Of Hollow" was their best, IMO.
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Post by: Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer on February 04, 2003, 06:48:00 pm: I'd give Hatful of Hollow and Queen is Dead both 5 stars
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Post by: markie on February 04, 2003, 06:50:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by wingelbert humptyback: I didn't realize that judging who was a better song writer could all be summed up by which band I happen to listen to more. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>No one said that. to paraphrase and recap.....you said you listened to the smiths more than the Beatles.therefore the smiths are more likely to have influenced you directly than the beatles.Its that simple.If you have listened to interpol more than the smiths or the Beatles then I can draw two conclusions.i) you are very misguidedii) They have had more influence on you than the smiths and beatles.
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Post by: markie on February 04, 2003, 06:54:00 pm: In my opinion.....the smiths 3hatful 4the rest i would give 5and perhaps a classic album special gold sticker to The Queen is Deadwhich really does belong in the company of innervisions, pet sounds and whats going on.
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Post by: Dr. Anton Phibes on February 04, 2003, 06:55:00 pm: When I think of The Cure........It always comes back to "Pornography"......love that damn album......and I saw 'em about half a dozen times for other albums......none compared......
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Post by: not too shabby on February 04, 2003, 06:58:00 pm: I will say that The Queen is Dead would be right alongside Disintegration in my "stranded on a desert island with only 10 albums" list. That said, if I could only have one, it would be Disintegration. That said, if I were stranded alone with only Disintegration, could I use it to purify water? Probably not.
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Post by: markie on February 04, 2003, 06:58:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by imrotten: When I think of The Cure........It always comes back to "Pornography"......love that damn album......and I saw 'em about half a dozen times for other albums......none compared......<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Is there an ECHO? ECHo? ECho? Echo? echo?
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Post by: markie on February 04, 2003, 07:00:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by not too shabby: I with only 10 albums" list. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I dunno,I think I would pick ten albums I wasnt nearly so familiar with. I havent listend to the smiths for 8 years. I just played them too much.
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Post by: wingelbert humptyback on February 04, 2003, 07:02:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by markie: No one said that. If you have listened to interpol more than the smiths or the Beatles then I can draw two conclusions.i) you are very misguidedii) They have had more influence on you than the smiths and beatles.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I still don't understand when we started debating who influenced me more. This started as a discussion about who were better songwriters. When I said I listened to the Smiths more than the Beatles these days, I was just trying to make the point that one person listening to them more doesn't necessarily make them better songwriters. Even though I don't happen to listen to the Beatles on a daily basis, I can acknowledge they are far better song writers than most anything that does find it's way into my cd player more often. Maybe they don't influence me directly as much as some bands, but their career means much more to music as a whole. And no, I haven't even come close to listening to Interpol as much as either of those two bands and I seriously doubt I ever will. Again, it was just a point about who is in my Cd player more often lately.
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Post by: not too shabby on February 04, 2003, 07:05:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by markie: I dunno,I think I would pick ten albums I wasnt nearly so familiar with. I havent listend to the smiths for 8 years. I just played them too much.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Well, there are certain albums that will never get old for me. I would rather have these (and my unlimited supply of batteries, of course), than something I'm not sure I'll like after listening to it 50 times.Not that it's a realistic scenario at all, but it's always interesting to consider.
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Post by: markie on February 04, 2003, 07:10:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by wingelbert humptyback: They were innovative and influential in a way the Smiths could never even dream of achieving. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I believe you brought up the word influential.I was trying to highlight that influential is a term open to many interpretations.I still quote smiths songs and lines in a way I never did the beatles. I have spent more time listening to the smiths than the Beatles. The smiths have had more direct influence on me then the beatles have.Although in a wider view without the beatles or the New York dolls the smiths would never have existed. So the Beatles are more influential in that sense. Agree?
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Post by: markie on February 04, 2003, 07:12:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by not too shabby: Well, there are certain albums that will never get old for me. .<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>everything gets old to me, well apart from Sandinista! but that is so long that by the time I get to the end I have forgoten the beginning.[This message has been edited by markie (edited 02-04-2003).]
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Post by: not too shabby on February 04, 2003, 07:14:00 pm: That's just what happens when you get old.
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Post by: markie on February 04, 2003, 07:16:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by not too shabby: I hope I die before I get old<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>why dont you just F, F, F , fade away?
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Post by: not too shabby on February 04, 2003, 07:23:00 pm: Hey, I'm not trying to cause a big s-s-sensation or anything.
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Post by: Fico on February 04, 2003, 07:25:00 pm: ch-ch-ch-chaaaanges....
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Post by: wingelbert humptyback on February 05, 2003, 11:42:00 am: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by markie: Agree?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I can agree with that. Especially if it's going to mean I can move on to arguing about bigger and better things... I think I saw a debate titled "Who was better? Milli or Vanilli?" that's calling my name.