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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: ggw on September 27, 2004, 02:41:00 pm
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Joe Jackson -- Look Sharp
The Clash -- The Clash
Tragically Hip -- Up To Here
Led Zeppelin -- I
Bob Dylan -- Bob Dylan
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I really don't know anything about Tragically Hip, but allmusic says "Up to Here" is there second album/
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I'll play along. And since ggw chose Up To Here, I'll assume we can discount any EPs etc that came before the main debut CD/album.
1. Ten - Pearl Jam
2. Smeared - Sloan
3. Ben Folds Five - Ben Folds Five
4. Led Zeppelin - Led Zeppelin
5. Love Junk - The Pursuit of Happiness
I'm sure that there are more "worthy" CDs (like The Clash, Dylan, Ramones, The Who, etc) but these 5 CDs have all changed my life in some substantial way. Not bad for a band's first effort.
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
I really don't know anything about Tragically Hip, but allmusic says "Up to Here" is there second album/
Yeah - they had a self-titled EP that came out in '87.
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EPs don't count. Only LPs.
Thus, you could select Murmur, but would have to forgo the more worthy Chronic Town.
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
I really don't know anything about Tragically Hip, but allmusic says "Up to Here" is there second album/
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1) The Ramones -- The Ramones (cliche, but imagine hearing that for the first time when the musical climate was what it was in 1976...it must have seemed like God's band coming to save rock'n'roll)
2) Joy Division -- Unknown Pleasures
3) The Clash -- The Clash
4) Descendents -- Milo Goes to College
5) The Stone Roses -- The Stone Roses
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1. The Velvet Underground - The Velvet Underground & Nico
2. Ramones - Ramones
3. Joy Division - Unknown Pleasures
4. The Smiths - The Smiths (production sucks, though)
5. The Strokes - Is This It
No making fun, I'm NOT a hipster... as for The Strokes, I know I'll get a lot of shit for including it, but I like them an awful lot.
6. The Band - Music From Big Pink
7. Nick Drake - Five Leaves Left
Two records that are better than The Strokes, but perhaps it's a sentimental thing... I'll probably regret posting this because I'll change my mind and forget something... I'm also wasted right now... (I know it's the afternoon but I don't work for 2 days and I'm going to see Wilco in a few hours [and I'm not driving])...
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pavement--slanted & enchanted
the clash--s/t
fugazi--repeater
galactic heroes--how about san francisco?
weezer--blue
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Rage Against The Machine - s/t
Led Zeppelin - Led Zeppelin
Counting Crows - August And Everything After
Jimi Hendrix - Are You Experienced
Sex Pistols - Nevermind the Bullocks (does the ONLY album count?)
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zeppelin-zeppelin
g n' r - appetite
weezer - weezer
sex pistols - bollocks (hell yes it counts)
coldplay - parachutes
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Another thread where everyone has way overlapping tastes. Yawn.
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suede - suede
stone roses - stone roses
pavement - slanted & enchanted
REM - Murmur
dunno #5, but i will point out that repeater though technically fugazi's first LP, was preceded by both fugazi and margin walker both long playing EPs (ie 6+ songs each). but a quibble i suppose.
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jane's addiction - 'nothing's shocking'
pixies - 'surfer rosa'
wu-tang clan - 'enter the 36 chambers'
jeff buckley - 'grace'
bob marley & the wailers - 'catch a fire'
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1. TELEVISION - MARQUEE MOON
2. The Stone Roses - The Stone Roses
3. Verve - A Storm in Heaven
4. Interpol - Turn on the Bright Lights
5. The Flying Burrito Bros - The Gilded Palace of Sin
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Originally posted by sparky:
zeppelin-zeppelin
g n' r - appetite
weezer - weezer
sex pistols - bollocks (hell yes it counts)
coldplay - parachutes
yeah, Apetite for Destruction is definitely a Top 5.
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Another thread where everyone has way overlapping tastes. Yawn.
made complete with rhett complaining instead of posting his own list
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Just a few worthy selections I haven't seen mentioned yet:
King Crimson - In The Court Of The Crimson King
The Who Sings My Generation
The Stooges - The Stooges
The Jimi Hendrix Experience - Are You Experienced?
The Kinks - The Kinks
Talking Heads - '77
And my list,
U2- Boy
The Velvet Underground & Nico - The Velvet Underground & Nico
Joy Division -- Unknown Pleasures
The Clash -- The Clash
Social Distortion - Social Distortion
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Jeff Buckley - Grace
Radiohead - Pablo Honey
Ryan Adams (solo debut) - Heartbreaker
Nick Drake - Fives Leaves Left
Rage Against the Machine - RATM
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The La's-The La's
Jason & The Nashville Scorchers-Reckless Country Soul
Gang Of Four-Entertainment!
John Prine-John Prine
Sugar-Copper Blue
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Social Distortion - Social Distortion
I'm pretty sure that Mommy's Little Monster was SD's first proper LP......didn't the self titled record come out sometime in the 90's?
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Not a "best" list but a "great" list of stuff no one's mentioned:
Blue Nile A Walk Across the Rooftops
The Saints I'm Stranded
The The Soul Mining ( Burning Blue Soul or whatever it was called was released as Matt Johnson)
The Feelies Crazy Rhythms
The Dream Syndicate The Days of Wine and Roses
OK, two more, of more recent vintage:
Eric Matthews It's Heavy In Here
Sun Sun (Australian duo on Staubgold)
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First off, Bob Dylan s/t blows! he doesn't write the majority of it and it sounds like shit.
1) The Pixies - Surfer Rosa
2) Biggie - Ready to Die
3) The Apples In Stereo - Fun Trick Noisemaker
4) Nas - Illmatic
5) Dave Matthews Band - Remember Two Things (bring it on)
6) Sunny Day Real Estate - Diary
good thread, most first albums suck, or dont really express where the band's sound is going to eventually end up ...
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Jesus & Mary Chain -- Psychocandy
Black Flag -- Damaged
Sex Pistols -- Bollocks
Joy Division -- Pleasures
The Stooges
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Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
First off, Bob Dylan s/t blows! he doesn't write the majority of it and it sounds like shit.
1) The Pixies - Surfer Rosa
2) Biggie - Ready to Die
3) The Apples In Stereo - Fun Trick Noisemaker
4) Nas - Illmatic
5) Dave Matthews Band - Remember Two Things (bring it on)
6) Sunny Day Real Estate - Diary
good thread, most first albums suck, or dont really express where the band's sound is going to eventually end up ...
.....says the Biggie/DMB fan.....
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Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
First off, Bob Dylan s/t blows! he doesn't write the majority of it and it sounds like shit.
I wouldn't be that harsh, but I will agree it's not that great. Probably my least favorite Dylan album.
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Should I be worried that I own three of the five you posted, on vinyl no less?
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Nah, unless you don't think my Dad's cool. Those three were pretty much handed out to anyone buying a house in the 70's.
Originally posted by vansmack:
Should I be worried that I own three of the five you posted, on vinyl no less?
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
First off, Bob Dylan s/t blows! he doesn't write the majority of it and it sounds like shit.
1) The Pixies - Surfer Rosa
2) Biggie - Ready to Die
3) The Apples In Stereo - Fun Trick Noisemaker
4) Nas - Illmatic
5) Dave Matthews Band - Remember Two Things (bring it on)
6) Sunny Day Real Estate - Diary
good thread, most first albums suck, or dont really express where the band's sound is going to eventually end up ...
.....says the Biggie/DMB fan..... [/b]
have you ever listened to ready to die? it's one of the most unbelievable debuts. period.
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black sabbath - s/t
velvet underground & nico - s/t
joy division - unknown pleasures
the smiths - s/t
gang of four - entertainment!
since i can't narrow it to five, here are the other candidates:
the stooges - s/t
MC5 - kick out the jams
patti smith - horses
can - monster movie
the jesus and mary chain - psychocandy
pink floyd - piper at the gates of dawn
x - los angeles
the ramones - s/t
mission of burma - vs
wire - pink flag
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Oasis - Definitely Maybe.....By Far.
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Oasis - Definitely Maybe.....By Far.
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Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
have you ever listened to ready to die? it's one of the most unbelievable debuts. period.
I have. its cheap, tasteless, and only sort of musically talented. I have friends who make better beats in thier basement than Puffy.
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weezer- blue
david garza- this euphoria
the mars volta- de-loused in the comatorium
third eye blind- third eye blind
the strokes- is this it
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Some additional ones, seeing as some of the ones I was thinking of have been taken...
The Smithereens - Especially For You
Marshall Crenshaw - Self Titled
Love Nut - Bastards of Melody
Aztec Camera - High Land, Hard Rain
Mood Elevator - Listen Up!
And I disagree about the statement regarding first albums sucking... often the first record is a group best with it being all downhill after that. the whole being able to songs over a lifetime verses between releases phenomenon.
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Perhaps you are right, because - judging by some of your selections - you are intimately familiar with what shit sounds like.
Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
First off, Bob Dylan s/t blows! he doesn't write the majority of it and it sounds like shit.
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ok, let me try:
Robbie Fulks: Country Love Songs
Gillian Welch: Revival
Nellie McKay: Get Away From Me
Jeff Buckley: Grace
Steve Earle: Guitar Town
Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Another thread where everyone has way overlapping tastes. Yawn.
made complete with rhett complaining instead of posting his own list [/b]
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
often the first record is a group best with it being all downhill after that. the whole being able to songs over a lifetime verses between releases phenomenon.
yes, and also bands are seldom steered this way and that way during production of thier first album. but then once the labels get a hold of them......
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Dylan's first album is in the unenviable position of being immediately followed by Freewheelin', Another Side, The Times They Are A Changin', Highway 61, Bringing it All Back Home, and Blonde on Blonde. So if it doesn't look so great, I would argue it is simply because it is outshone by it's successors; albums which seem to appear on nearly every "Greatest" list.
But I don't think that detracts from S/T as a great debut album. Personally, I like the spare sound and the rough production.
Originally posted by Bombay Chutney:
I wouldn't be that harsh, but I will agree it's not that great. Probably my least favorite Dylan album.
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Most of the best have already been posted.
Here's a few others that I find notable & important to me though:
Chris Whitley ~ Living With the Law
Cure ~ 3 Imaginary Boys
Afghan Whigs ~ Big Top Halloween (a portent of things to come)
Catherine Wheel ~ Ferment
White Stripes ~ The White Stripes (still their best)
Son Volt ~ Trace
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definitely would concure w/ Surfer Rosa, Soul Mining, and The Stone Roses
to the list I would add
Throwing Muses - S/T
The Fat Lady Sings - Twist
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You are correct. The self-titled album was their thrid album, after Mommy's Little Monster and Prison Bound. Believe it or not, I used to be a big Social Distortion fan.
Originally posted by chaz:
Originally posted by vansmack:
Social Distortion - Social Distortion
I'm pretty sure that Mommy's Little Monster was SD's first proper LP......didn't the self titled record come out sometime in the 90's? [/b]
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
often the first record is a group best with it being all downhill after that. the whole being able to songs over a lifetime verses between releases phenomenon.
yes, and also bands are seldom steered this way and that way during production of thier first album. but then once the labels get a hold of them...... [/b]
I'm w/ you guys.
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neutral milk hotel/on avery island
tom waits/closing time
elvis costello/my aim is true
the verve/a storm in heaven (better than SIH is voyager 1, which was technically the "debut" but doesn't count here cause it was a live ep)
...and i know it's already been mentioned but
gnr's appetite for destruction is probably the all-time best debut album
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All of those albums have predictable song structure, and lame choruses. :D
Originally posted by joz:
neutral milk hotel/on avery island
tom waits/closing time
elvis costello/my aim is true
the verve/a storm in heaven (better than SIH is voyager 1, which was technically the "debut" but doesn't count here cause it was a live ep)
...and i know it's already been mentioned but
gnr's appetite for destruction is probably the all-time best debut album
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
All of those albums have predictable song structure, and lame choruses. :)
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
You are correct. The self-titled album was their thrid album, after Mommy's Little Monster and Prison Bound. Believe it or not, I used to be a big Social Distortion fan.
Originally posted by chaz:
I'm pretty sure that Mommy's Little Monster was SD's first proper LP......didn't the self titled record come out sometime in the 90's?
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I always considered those first two EP's and not LP's. Though, not knowing the technical difference, you could be right.
The self titled album was the first major label release.
I see your points though as I took issue with "Nothing's Shocking" being on the list because I had about 17 different Jane's albums before the first major label release, widely regarded as their debut album.
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Portishead - Dummy
Photek - Modus Operandi
Reprazent - New Forms
Jazzanova - In Between
Jill Scott - Who Is Jill Scott?
All the others have been mentioned...these are just some that blew me away when I first heard them.
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good call. forgot about that one.
Originally posted by j_lee:
Portishead - Dummy
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
All of those albums have predictable song structure, and lame choruses. :D Originally posted by joz:
neutral milk hotel/on avery island
tom waits/closing time
elvis costello/my aim is true
the verve/a storm in heaven (better than SIH is voyager 1, which was technically the "debut" but doesn't count here cause it was a live ep)
...and i know it's already been mentioned but
gnr's appetite for destruction is probably the all-time best debut album
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it's funny, rhett, but i haven't seen any of the driveby truckers albums on the "best" threads today...they may be prolific but their catalog is shite.
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If not for my self-imposed ban on bands that haven't been releasing albums for at least a decade, I probably would have included one of the last three DBT albums.
Originally posted by joz:
it's funny, rhett, but i haven't seen any of the driveby truckers albums on the "best" threads today...they may be prolific but their catalog is shite.
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Originally posted by joz:
i haven't seen any of the driveby truckers albums on the "best" threads today...they may be prolific but their catalog is shite.
Wow - that's just untrue. Their first 2 records are wildly uneven & The 3rd is a live comp. As GGW mentioned though, the last three would make any list for me where they apply.
Don't take your dislike for Rhett out on this fine band. ;)
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I don't think Drive By Truckers really hit their stride until their FOURTH album, Southern Rock Opera.
If there is a thread for best three albums in a row, their last three albums would be at the top of my list.
Originally posted by joz:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
All of those albums have predictable song structure, and lame choruses. :D Originally posted by joz:
neutral milk hotel/on avery island
tom waits/closing time
elvis costello/my aim is true
the verve/a storm in heaven (better than SIH is voyager 1, which was technically the "debut" but doesn't count here cause it was a live ep)
...and i know it's already been mentioned but
gnr's appetite for destruction is probably the all-time best debut album
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it's funny, rhett, but i haven't seen any of the driveby truckers albums on the "best" threads today...they may be prolific but their catalog is shite. [/b]
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big star - #1 record
velvet underground & nico - s/t
jeff buckley - grace
bjork - debut
uncle tupelo - no depression
some more:
queens of the stone age - s/t
fred neil - bleeker and macdougal
tim hardin - tim hardin 1
nick drake - five leaves left
naked city - torture garden
dillinger escape plan - calculating infinity
napalm death - scum
cynic - focus
the stooges - s/t
metallica - kill 'em all
death - scream bloody gore
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She obviously has a bone to pick with DBT:
joz
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we ended up taking a taxi back to our place with a stranger who had been at the drive-by truckers show. i actually felt sorry for them and all of the others that went to DBT instead...they don't even realize that they missed out on the most interesting show to hit dc in a long time.
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whatever makes you happy, rhett...personally, the DBTs bore the shit out of me; their music seems to be designed for those who prefer their music spoon-fed in chunks of predictable song-structure and lame choruses that are repeated ad nauseum.
Originally posted by grotty:
Originally posted by joz:
i haven't seen any of the driveby truckers albums on the "best" threads today...they may be prolific but their catalog is shite.
Wow - that's just untrue. Their first 2 records are wildly uneven & The 3rd is a live comp. As GGW mentioned though, the last three would make any list for me where they apply.
Don't take your dislike for Rhett out on this fine band. ;) [/b]
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i'm honestly not a fan of the DBT and i don't think anything could convince me otherwise...do we have to start prefacing everything in this forum with "in my opinion" (as in "in my opinion the DBT's catalog is shite")? trust me, i'm not saying it just to piss rhett off.
anyway, rhett always takes it too personal when someone doesn't agree with his musical leanings (case in point...carrying grudges over from another thread). doesn't bother me a bit though...i realize that even crappy bands need fans too. how would groups like color me badd go on to create such timeless classics as "i wanna sex you up" without a strong fanbase to support them?
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in my defense, let me say that i DID NOT post anything negative or inflammatory on the DBT thread...that's for the fans to share their thoughts on the show, etc. i merely made a statement on the fiery furnaces thread which rhett, of course, had to chime in on and continues to drag out here. oy vey.
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dude, i carried that over as a joke.
it's cool if you don't like Drive By Truckers. I think Elvis Costello, Guns and Roses, and the Verve all suck.
Originally posted by joz:
i'm honestly not a fan of the DBT and i don't think anything could convince me otherwise...do we have to start prefacing everything in this forum with "in my opinion" (as in "in my opinion the DBT's catalog is shite")? trust me, i'm not saying it just to piss rhett off.
anyway, rhett always takes it too personal when someone doesn't agree with his musical leanings (case in point...carrying grudges over from another thread). doesn't bother me a bit though...i realize that even crappy bands need fans too. how would groups like color me badd go on to create such timeless classics as "i wanna sex you up" without a strong fanbase to support them?
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not that we need another opinion, but someone on the board sent me a DBT Cd, and i appreciate it very much, that they did that. But i listened to it once, and couldnt find any reason to listen to it again, unless i wanted to listen to something and not have to pay attn to it.
clearly not my style of music, and not a band to win over the masses. but that doesnt mean they are bad....sort of.
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
dude, i carried that over as a joke.
it's cool if you don't like Drive By Truckers. I think Elvis Costello, Guns and Roses, and the Verve all suck.
Originally posted by joz:
i'm honestly not a fan of the DBT and i don't think anything could convince me otherwise...do we have to start prefacing everything in this forum with "in my opinion" (as in "in my opinion the DBT's catalog is shite")? trust me, i'm not saying it just to piss rhett off.
anyway, rhett always takes it too personal when someone doesn't agree with his musical leanings (case in point...carrying grudges over from another thread). doesn't bother me a bit though...i realize that even crappy bands need fans too. how would groups like color me badd go on to create such timeless classics as "i wanna sex you up" without a strong fanbase to support them?
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well, thanks rhett...now i have the dbt hootenanny posse after me.
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I guess that's how fucked up the masses tastes have become. If this were 1977, Drive By Truckers would be huge, huge, huge. Not that they don't appeal to the masses anyway, nearly selling out the 9:30 Club. If they were on a major label and received the right promotion, they'd be as big as Radiohead in America.
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
not that we need another opinion, but someone on the board sent me a DBT Cd, and i appreciate it very much, that they did that. But i listened to it once, and couldnt find any reason to listen to it again, unless i wanted to listen to something and not have to pay attn to it.
clearly not my style of music, and not a band to win over the masses. but that doesnt mean they are bad....sort of.
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but you took the opportunity to say something negative about DBT on the FF thread...
...not that there's anything wrong with it. I found your comment very entertaining, despite disagreeing with it...
Originally posted by joz:
in my defense, let me say that i DID NOT post anything negative or inflammatory on the DBT thread...that's for the fans to share their thoughts on the show, etc. i merely made a statement on the fiery furnaces thread which rhett, of course, had to chime in on and continues to drag out here. oy vey.
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
If this were 1977, Drive By Truckers would be huge, huge, huge.
I'm not so sure about that:
The Top 40 Singles of 1977:
"You Light Up My Life" - Debby Boone (First chart appearance: 9/17/77; Highest position: #1)
"I Just Want To Be Your Everything" - Andy Gibb (5/28/77; #1)
"Evergreen" - Barbra Streisand (1/8/77; #1)
"Undercover Angel" - Alan O'Day (5/7/77; #1)
"I Like Dreamin'" - Kenny Nolan (12/11/76; #3)
"Dancing Queen" - Abba (1/22/77; #1)
"Torn Between Two Lovers" - Mary MacGregor (12/25/76; #1)
"Higher And Higher" - Rita Coolidge (6/11/77; #2)
"Best Of My Love" - The Emotions (7/2/77; #1)
"Southern Nights" - Glen Campbell (3/5/77; #1)
"Angel In Your Arms" - Hot (4/2/77; #6)
"Don't Leave Me This Way" - Thelma Houston (1/29/77; #1)
"I'm Your Boogie Man" - K.C. & the Sunshine Band (4/2/77; #1)
"Margaritaville" - Jimmy Buffett (5/7/77; #8)
"When I Need You" - Leo Sayer (3/26/77; #1)
"Telephone Line" - Electric Light Orchestra (7/9/77; #7)
"Rich Girl" - Hall and Oates (2/5/77; #1)
"Slow Dancin'" - Johnny Rivers (7/30/77; #10)
"Star Wars Theme/Cantina Band" - Meco (8/22/77; #1)
"Rocky (Gonna Fly Now)" - Bill Conti (5/7/77; #1)
"Things We Do For Love" - 10cc (1/29/77; #5)
"Weekend In New England" - Barry Manilow (12/25/76; #10)
"Hotel California" - Eagles (3/12/77; #1)
"You Make Me Feel Like Dancing" - Leo Sayer (11/6/76; #1)
"Nobody Does It Better" - Carly Simon (8/27/77; #2)
"Whatcha Gonna Do" - Pablo Cruise (6/11/77; #6)
"I've Got Love On My Mind" - Natalie Cole (2/26/77; #5)
"On And On" - Stephen Bishop (7/23/77; #11)
"Do You Wanna Make Love" - Peter McCann (5/21/77; #5)
"Sir Duke" - Stevie Wonder (4/16/77; #1)
"Got To Give It Up" - Marvin Gaye (4/23/77; #1)
"Dreams" - Fleetwood Mac (4/30/77; #1)
"Carry On Wayward Son" - Kansas (2/5/77; #11)
"Easy" - Commodores (6/25/77; #4)
"Lonely Boy" - Andrew Gold (4/16/77; #7)
"Feels Like The First Time" - Foreigner (4/23/77; #4)
"You And Me" - Alice Cooper (6/11/77; #9)
"Car Wash" - Rose Royce (12/11/76; #1)
"Keep It Comin' Love" - K.C. & the Sunshine Band (8/13/77; #2)
"Don't Give Up On Us" - David Soul (2/19/77; #1)
Top Albums of 1977:
At The Hollywood Bowl - The Beatles
Barry Manilow/Live - Barry Manilow
Book Of Dreams - The Steve Miller Band
Boston *
Commodores
Hotel California - Eagles *
Live At The London Paladium - Marvin Gaye
A New World Record - Electric Light Orchestra *
Night Moves - Bob Seger *
Part 3 - K.C. & The Sunshine Band
Point Of Know Return - Kansas
Rumours - Fleetwood Mac *
Silk Degrees - Boz Scaggs
Simple Dreams - Linda Ronstadt *
A Star Is Born - Soundtrack
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Oasis - Definitely Maybe
Stone Roses - Stone Roses
Interpol - Turn on the Bright Lights
New Radicals - Maybe you've been Brainwashed Too
Cartel - yet to be recorded or released.
We made it...last ones on the list :p
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
If this were 1977, Drive By Truckers would be huge, huge, huge.
I get the feeling that if it were 1977, they would top your list of overrated bands.
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
"Telephone Line" - Electric Light Orchestra (7/9/77; #7)
I used to LOVE that song.
Barry Manilow/Live - Barry Manilow
A classic, if only for the Commercial Medley.
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
but you took the opportunity to say something negative about DBT on the FF thread...
I get Joz's point, though -- he/she's not hiding dislike for DBT, but not trashing them in a thread obviously for fans to talk about the show, etc. I try to do the same thing -- not sure I'm always successful, but is there any need for me to dump on superchunk in a thread on them specifically, just to say "I think superchunk suck." Now, in a thread on the best albums where a discussion of superchunk comes up, different story 'cuz we're discussing bands generally.
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So the rule is we're only supposed to say positive things on a thread about a specific band?
Originally posted by Bags:
sure I'm always successful, but is there any need for me to dump on superchunk in a thread on them specifically, just to say "I think superchunk suck." [/QB]
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
not that we need another opinion, but someone on the board sent me a DBT Cd, and i appreciate it very much, that they did that. But i listened to it once, and couldnt find any reason to listen to it again, unless i wanted to listen to something and not have to pay attn to it.
clearly not my style of music, and not a band to win over the masses. but that doesnt mean they are bad....sort of.
Good, you can send it to me....
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10 bucks says you'll hate it.
Originally posted by redsock:
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
not that we need another opinion, but someone on the board sent me a DBT Cd, and i appreciate it very much, that they did that. But i listened to it once, and couldnt find any reason to listen to it again, unless i wanted to listen to something and not have to pay attn to it.
clearly not my style of music, and not a band to win over the masses. but that doesnt mean they are bad....sort of.
Good, you can send it to me.... [/b]
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
10 bucks says you'll hate it.
Originally posted by redsock:
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
not that we need another opinion, but someone on the board sent me a DBT Cd, and i appreciate it very much, that they did that. But i listened to it once, and couldnt find any reason to listen to it again, unless i wanted to listen to something and not have to pay attn to it.
clearly not my style of music, and not a band to win over the masses. but that doesnt mean they are bad....sort of.
Good, you can send it to me.... [/b]
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I happen to like a good dose of southern-fried rock now and again. I honestly have never listened to DBT, but I'll take that bet. My musical tastes are far more diverse than yours i imagine.
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Originally posted by joz:
...i realize that even crappy bands need fans too. how would groups like color me badd go on to create such timeless classics as "i wanna sex you up" without a strong fanbase to support them?
I wonder how much you would like them (DBT) if they looked & dressed like Interpol and lived in NY - instead of wearing flannel shirts, drinking PBR & living in GA.
I think you're being strongly influenced by something in addition to the music. DBT is much too closely related to a band like Wilco for you to love one & hate the other. (I'm not mistaking your affection for Wilco with someone else am I?)
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Id have to think for a while to get my Top 5 but here are some noteworthy debut releases that I didnt see while glancing at the other posts:
Rites of Spring-Rites of Spring
Bad Brains-ROIR cassette
Slayer-Show No Mercy
Toadies-Rubberneck
Shudder to Think-Curses Spells Voodoo Mooses
Run DMC-Run DMC
Jesus Lizard-Goat
The Polyphonic Spree-The Beginning Stages Of...
Nirvana-Bleach
Bloodrock-Bloodrock
Wesley Willis-Radiohead
Schoolly-D-Saturday Night The Album
Kings X-Out of the Silent Planet
Masters Of Reality-Masters of Reality (Def American version NOT Delicious Vinyl version)
Ween-The Pod
Hunter
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Originally posted by grotty:
Originally posted by joz:
...i realize that even crappy bands need fans too. how would groups like color me badd go on to create such timeless classics as "i wanna sex you up" without a strong fanbase to support them?
I wonder how much you would like them (DBT) if they looked & dressed like Interpol and lived in NY - instead of wearing flannel shirts, drinking PBR & living in GA.
I think you're being strongly influenced by something in addition to the music. DBT is much too closely related to a band like Wilco for you to love one & hate the other. (I'm not mistaking your affection for Wilco with someone else am I?) [/b]
you've brought up a good point, grotty...i definitely don't have a standard prescription for my musical tastes. i do love wilco. i also dig whiskeytown (although i despise the majority of ryan adams solo work), my morning jacket, rockabilly in general, et al. in fact, i will go as far to admit that i really enjoy classic southern rock...i enjoy a good healthy dose of the allman bros., skynyrd or molly hatchet once in a while. BUT I do not care for DBT. Call me crazy but their music is really unlistenable for me. I think sonick put it best earlier when he referred to it as background music that you really don't take notice of (I'm paraphrasing here).
Anyway, that's all I'll say about that...I'm used to this really. My husband is a huge fan of the Afghan Whigs, whom I despise (with the exception of 1 or 2 songs), so I'm constantly defending my dislike of particular bands.
btw, PBR is one of my favorite beers.
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Now you're really going to rile Grotty up!
And perhaps a few other board members too.
Hell, you might as well say you dislike Guided by Voices, the Pixies, and Ian McKaye while you're at it. Troublemaker!
Originally posted by joz:
My husband is a huge fan of the Afghan Whigs, whom I despise (with the exception of 1 or 2 songs),
btw, PBR is one of my favorite beers. [/QB]
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Originally posted by joz:
you've brought up a good point, grotty...i definitely don't have a standard prescription for my musical tastes. i do love wilco. i also dig whiskeytown (although i despise the majority of ryan adams solo work), my morning jacket, rockabilly in general, et al. in fact, i will go as far to admit that i really enjoy classic southern rock...i enjoy a good healthy dose of the allman bros., skynyrd or molly hatchet once in a while. BUT I do not care for DBT. Call me crazy but their music is really unlistenable for me.
Anyway, that's all I'll say about that...I'm used to this really. My husband is a huge fan of the Afghan Whigs, whom I despise (with the exception of 1 or 2 songs), so I'm constantly defending my dislike of particular bands.
2 of my favorite bands getting disparaged in the same paragraph. It is a sad day indeed. :(
joz, I've seen you list bands that you love (verve, g&r, whiskeytown, wilco, etc.) and we mostly agree. That makes it all the more strange that you would dislike DBT & the AW. It makes me wonder if you've heard the "right" songs or ever seen them live. There have been countless people that I've given music to from both bands that initially are not interested. But after seeing them live, or investing some time into listening, now have significantly different opinions.
One person specifically - a female - was initally very resistant to the whole southern rednecky DBT image. Then she heard the song Three Great Alabama Icons from the Southern Rock Opera and almost immediately changed her mind. Now they are a fav. That 'song', better than anything they have written or has been written about them - explains their perspective and is good example of the depth of their thinking and songwriting that is disguised behind a very misleading first impression:
"Such is the duality of the Southern thing."
But, I'm guessing that you probably do already know enough about DBT & the Afghan Whigs (especially living with a big fan) and maybe they really just don't appeal to you. It's probably just a perfect example of how fickle and esoteric musical tastes can be.
I just hope that someday you don't regret missing out on 2 of the best bands...ever. :D
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funny thing about my dislike for the whigs, i know...my husband doesn't get it either. greg dulli bothers me for some reason; his vocal style in particular. i do care for a few songs but i can't say i would ever sit down and listen to an entire album on my own volition. my husband has played most of their albums for me and i've also tried listening to the twilight singers. no luck there either.
my husband saw the whigs live a couple of times and said that seeing dulli perform live might change my opinion. unfortunately, we always seem to be out of town when the twilight singers play. maybe someday they'll click for me. it took me a long time to come around to neutral milk hotel too but now they're one of my favorites.
i definitely wouldn't describe myself as fickle though...i'm a fairly discerning listener and can usually tell whether i'll like a band/album within 10-15 minutes of listening. that all goes back to working in program/music direction at my college radio station...we had about 10 minutes to devote to each promo cd we got in the mail to determine if it was worthy of airplay. i know i need to try and break myself of that. there's probably a lot i miss out on because i don't put in the time to give a fair listen.
i'm really trying with the whigs tho...if i liked them, it would certainly make marriage a lot easier!