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Title: Most Overrated Message Board Theme
Post by: Liberte on September 28, 2004, 11:04:00 pm
Hands down, whinging about artists who "suck," either because you don't know how to listen to them or because you think it will build up your pathetic indie cred ratings to slam the music that people you desperately wish thought you were cool (but never will, mostly because you obsess about crap like this) happen to like.
 
 Jesus H. Christ, people.  Get a life.  There's more good music being made than any of us has time to discover on our own.  Talk about  THAT for a change.
Title: Re: Most Overrated Message Board Theme
Post by: Samantha on September 28, 2004, 11:56:00 pm
that band sucks too
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Post by: hitman on September 29, 2004, 09:26:00 am
roll call....
Title: Re: Most Overrated Message Board Theme
Post by: Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer on September 29, 2004, 09:31:00 am
I disagree. 95% of music flat out sucks, and there is more of it than one can even imagine. Just got to any used cd store and see for yourself.
 
 
 
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Originally posted by Liberte:
 
 Jesus H. Christ, people.  Get a life.  There's more good music being made than any of us has time to discover on our own.  Talk about  THAT for a change.
Title: Re: Most Overrated Message Board Theme
Post by: Random Citizen on September 29, 2004, 09:34:00 am
Any thread beginning or turning into a rant about Tickets.com or Ticketmaster.com.
Title: Re: Most Overrated Message Board Theme
Post by: Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer on September 29, 2004, 09:38:00 am
Any thread with Rhett, Markie, Mankie, Bags, ggw, or lulu in the title.
Title: Re: Most Overrated Message Board Theme
Post by: sonickteam2 on September 29, 2004, 09:57:00 am
any thread where someone shows thier blatant ignorance for the musical genius that is Radiohead.
Title: Re: Most Overrated Message Board Theme
Post by: Guiny on September 29, 2004, 10:02:00 am
Any thread that suggests that even if the Red Sox do win this year, It'll make up for all the years that the Yankees kicked their ass's.
 
 Oh yeah, and soccer threads.
Title: Re: Most Overrated Message Board Theme
Post by: Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer on September 29, 2004, 10:03:00 am
ass's?
 
 Getting a little possessive when it comes to Red Sox asses, aren't you?
 
 
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
  Any thread that suggests that even if the Red Sox do win this year, It'll make up for all the years that the Yankees kicked their ass's.
 
 Oh yeah, and soccer threads.
Title: Re: Most Overrated Message Board Theme
Post by: sonickteam2 on September 29, 2004, 10:05:00 am
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  ass's?
 
 Getting a little possessive when it comes to Red Sox asses, aren't you?
 
sounds like he's making up excuses already.
Title: Re: Most Overrated Message Board Theme
Post by: eltee on September 29, 2004, 10:23:00 am
Does anyone know the pre-sale password? Wait, nevermind, I'll go open another thread to the two already open.
Title: Re: Most Overrated Message Board Theme
Post by: sonickteam2 on September 29, 2004, 10:31:00 am
Bilge
Title: Re: Most Overrated Message Board Theme
Post by: Sailor Ripley on September 29, 2004, 10:43:00 am
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Originally posted by Liberte:
  Hands down, whinging about artists who "suck," either because you don't know how to listen to them ...
Two questions: what is "whinging" and what is the proper way to listen to artists who suck? I want to make sure I've been doing it right.
Title: Re: Most Overrated Message Board Theme
Post by: jkeisenh on September 29, 2004, 10:44:00 am
Why the club sucks/the security folks beat me up/the sound last night was fucked up/the band was poorly dressed/i got beat up in the "pit"/ the show was too short.
 
 i want a refund.
Title: Re: Most Overrated Message Board Theme
Post by: markie on September 29, 2004, 10:46:00 am
Any thread that doesn't have  Rhett, Markie, Mankie, Bags, ggw, or lulu in the title.
Title: Re: Most Overrated Message Board Theme
Post by: joz on September 29, 2004, 11:27:00 am
any thread that attempts to undermine the importance of healthy musical debate and discussion...after all, this is a forum for a live music venue.
Title: Re: Most Overrated Message Board Theme
Post by: Liberte on September 29, 2004, 11:48:00 pm
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Originally posted by Sailor Ripley:
   
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Originally posted by Liberte:
  Hands down, whinging about artists who "suck," either because you don't know how to listen to them ...
Two questions: what is "whinging" and what is the proper way to listen to artists who suck? I want to make sure I've been doing it right. [/b]
Whinge (http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=whinge)
 
 Har har.  It's amazing how often active listening reveals that maybe the artist doesn't exactly suck after all.  Might still not float your boat, but the music just might work on its own terms.  Whether you enjoy it, or want to hear more of it, or would recommend it to others are different questions from whether it's any good.
 
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 Rhett, that's a awfully careless response for a statistician.  "Percentage of artists who suck" and "Number of artists you might like, except you've never listened to them" aren't only different things, they're not even measured on the same scale.
 
 In terms of discovering those new (to me) artists, which is one of the things this board is good for, it's a whole lot more useful to hear what bands people are listening to and liking.  Yes,  substantive  criticism of the ones you heard or saw and didn't like is useful, too.  Quite a few people here do post pretty interesting analyses of concerts and CDs that have made picking up good new music a little easier for me.  
 
 I don't even mind a certain amount of low humor directed at the bands boardies abhor (and the unfortunate boardies who like them).   Hell, I do my share of it.  But most of what I see here in the "that band sucks" department is directed at relatively high-profile artists, about whom most of us have already formed opinions.  I posted the original comment because there seems to have been rather a lot of it just lately.  By and large it comes off as trying to look cool by dissing what's too "popular."  That's a staple of adolescent identity-seeking, but most of the folks here are old enough to be getting over that stage by now....
Title: Re: Most Overrated Message Board Theme
Post by: Sailor Ripley on September 30, 2004, 08:18:00 am
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Originally posted by Liberte:
 
 Har har.  It's amazing how often active listening reveals that maybe the artist doesn't exactly suck after all.  Might still not float your boat, but the music just might work on its own terms.  Whether you enjoy it, or want to hear more of it, or would recommend it to others are different questions from whether it's any good.
So, I'm been listening to sucky music properly then.  And it still sucks.  I can distinguish between good music I don't like and music that sucks. Your first premise offers two possibilities: you are listing wrong or you are trying to establish indie cred. In that world, no music sucks.  We know that's not true.
 
 Believe it or not, I agree with Rhett when he says "95% of music flat out sucks, and there is more of it than one can even imagine."
Title: Re: Most Overrated Message Board Theme
Post by: Liberte on September 30, 2004, 02:42:00 pm
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Originally posted by Sailor Ripley:
   Your first premise offers two possibilities: you are listing wrong or you are trying to establish indie cred. In that world, no music sucks.  We know that's not true.
No.  What I actually said was that among people  in this forum  who are constantly bitching about how this or that band sucks (almost always a commercially successful band, almost always without specifying what "sucks" means or how they came to that opinion), one of those two factors appeared to be operating.  Repeat, since the first two times seem to have blown right past you,  in this forum.  I will stand by that observation.
 
 
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Believe it or not, I agree with Rhett when he says "95% of music flat out sucks, and there is more of it than one can even imagine."  
What a terrible affliction it must be to have such rarefied tastes that only 5% of the music you give a serious listen to gives you pleasure.  My deepest condolences to both of you.
Title: Re: Most Overrated Message Board Theme
Post by: Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer on September 30, 2004, 03:00:00 pm
It's called having discerning taste.
 
 I may have 400 cd's in my collection that don't suck, but in the course of my lifetime, I've probably heard bits and pieces of 3600 that do suck.
 
 Granted, that only comes out to a 10% non-suckage rate, but I imagine there are probably 4000 other cd's that I trusted the reviewer's opinion enough to not bother with seeking it out.
 
 Which makes for a 95% suckage rate.
 
 I don't care to be a music reviewer, so I don't write detailed reviews of what I think about concerts, cd's etc, on the 9:30 chatboard. It's much less wasteful of worktime to write "it sucks" rather than typing out why it sucks for half an hour.
 
 Also, I'm content to read minimal responses like "it sucks" on a chatboard. If I want real music journalism, the 9:30 board is certainly not somewhere I'm going to turn to.
 
 
 
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Originally posted by Liberte:
 
   
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Believe it or not, I agree with Rhett when he says "95% of music flat out sucks, and there is more of it than one can even imagine."  
What a terrible affliction it must be to have such rarefied tastes that only 5% of the music you give a serious listen to gives you pleasure.  My deepest condolences to both of you. [/QB]
Title: Re: Most Overrated Message Board Theme
Post by: Liberte on September 30, 2004, 04:12:00 pm
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  Also, I'm content to read minimal responses like "it sucks" on a chatboard. If I want real music journalism, the 9:30 board is certainly not somewhere I'm going to turn to.
Real music journalism sucks.    ;)   Or it would suck, if there were any such thing--that's one of those terms like "French military victory."
 
 In a community of people whose tastes you have some handle on, all it takes is a few words about  why  someone liked or disliked a CD, concert, song, or whatever.  I don't need an easay to figure out whether someone's reaction has predictive value for my own.  Just plain "sucks," though, is almost devoid of informational content.  Notwithstanding your protestations, I think your own commentary here often contains enough substance to be quite useful.
Title: Re: Most Overrated Message Board Theme
Post by: hitman on October 01, 2004, 12:48:00 am
That's why I tend not to get into music dialogues on this board because that's what ends up happening?  People start saying something sucks, and that's it.  There are many types of music out there that bring many people joy and pleasure.  Leave it at that.  However, I think there have been a couple of times where I have been guilty of this just because I reached my boiling point.  But it hasn't been very often.
Title: Re: Most Overrated Message Board Theme
Post by: Sailor Ripley on October 01, 2004, 08:42:00 am
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Originally posted by Liberte:
  No.  What I actually said was that among people  in this forum  who are constantly bitching about how this or that band sucks (almost always a commercially successful band, almost always without specifying what "sucks" means or how they came to that opinion), one of those two factors appeared to be operating.  Repeat, since the first two times seem to have blown right past you,  in this forum.  I will stand by that observation.
Actually, nothing blew right by me, I assumed you were speaking about this forum and I never stated otherwise. Perhaps it's time to work on your reading comprehension.  You admitt my assessment of you position is correct. I say that is way off.
 
   
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Originally posted by Liberte:
  What a terrible affliction it must be to have such rarefied tastes that only 5% of the music you give a serious listen to gives you pleasure.  My deepest condolences to both of you.
Actually, you are rewriting Rhett's quote ("95% of music flat out sucks") to include "serious listen".  Again, the reading comprehension thing.  I don't have to give Justin Timberlake (for example) a serious listen to know the music sucks.  A cursory listen can reveal that. Go through the radio dial one day, same thing.  Everytime I do I'm deeply disappointed but not surprised. Regardless, even at a 95% suckage rate for music that is being produced today, I still have more good music available to me than I can possibly buy.  So, no condolances necessary.