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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: bellenseb on February 13, 2007, 11:54:00 am
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My vote is for the Coldplay/Snow Patrol two-headed monster, for turning ponderous dentist-office music into today's "alt rock".
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Dunno. Maybe Belle And Sebastian?
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Someone please tell me how Snow Patrol's "Chasing Cars" got nominated for Best Rock Song. It is not "rock" nor "best". It is, perhaps, a "song".
And this from someone who liked their last album and the show last year.
I mean, I accept that the Grammys don't really represent the best music, but it's like they're not even trying anymore.
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what's with all the hate on the board today? are people gearing up for valentine's day?
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broken social scene, without a doubt
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Personally...
She Wants Revenge
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I tried listening to Cold War Kids the other day, and they were horrible. But I don't pay enough attention to "hate" them.
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Clap Your Hands Say Yeah, no question.
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My Chemical Romance.
Dear god.
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I agree with My Chemical Romance.
Also, I hate Valentine's Day. What a bunch of crap.
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Red Hot Chili Peppers :mad:
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isnt it obvious? all the "rock" bands whose songs are played on both 101.1 and 99.5.
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I will second the RHCP vote.
i mean, its one thing if you're a band, who sucks, but why do they have to be everywhere, play every festival and win every award????
and to make matters worse, i actually know people who think they are the greatest band on earth.
incredible!
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I know more people than I can count who think RHCP is the greatest band in the world. It upsets me.
I'm gonna go with hating the trifecta: My Chemical Romance, Panic! At the Disco, Fall Out Boy. It's almost too easy.
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Fall Out Boy. It was between Nickelback and Fall Out Boy.
Fall Out Boy make WAY too much money for the little talent they have. They are not my cup of tea, but at least tolerable on a record...but they can't carry that over to their live show.
...which means they have no talent. Their records are computerized shams.
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Oooh...good reasoning with Red Hot Chili Peppers.
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The only thing I know about Fall Out Boy and My Chemical Romance is that they are popular with white teenage girls. If I didn't work in a high school, I'd never hear of them. I've heard 30-second clips on ITunes, out of curiosity, and they just seem to be another fun pop-rock band. Certainly not something I'd hate because they are so easy to avoid, unless your radio dial is broken.
The band whose popularity I don't understand to this day is U2. I've always thought that they were musically weak. The songs that they've put out over the past 20+ years are some of the most boring, adult-contemporary, safe and radio-friendly pap out there, perfect for selling commercial products or relaxing patients in a dentist's office. That's not the worst part though, as lots of bands fit this definition. The worst part is that they think that they are changing the world in some way. It seems like they want to be on the same level as say, the Clash or Bob Dylan. If the lead singer didn't act like the biggest, most pious, egomaniac retard, I would give these guys a pardon on the fact that they've raised some dough for Africa. But Christ, I wish that they would give it a break already.
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listen to Boy...
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do i have to limit it to one? or even thirty?
jesus. there's a lot of shit out there.
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HINDER
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emo boy bands
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chokeychicken is absolutely right. Every time I hear that damn Hinder song, I feel like shooting myself in the face.
Since I don't listen to radio, the only place I'm really exposed to bands like Hinder and Nickelback and My Chemical Romance is my local bowling alley. I go about once a week, and they often play this XM station called "20 on 20", which is basically a loop of the most popular 20 songs of the week. And it's been virtually unchanged for months. You can usually count on hearing Justin Timberlake at least two or three times in about a two hour period. He's not rock, so he doesn't really count in this thread. If we were talking about any artist or band at all, though, he would definitely take the cake. He should be blasted off into the sun, or thrown into a volcano, or otherwise expunged from the world.
I actually like Snow Patrol. I'll readily admit that "Chasing Cars" was ridiculously overplayed last year, though, and did not deserve a Grammy nomination. But then, I despise the Grammys and consider them a complete joke, so that's neither here nor there. I will say that I think it deserved a nomination more than most of the other crap.
Originally posted by The Bombay Doors:
Dunno. Maybe Belle And Sebastian?
I would consider Belle and Sebastian neither "popular" nor "rock". >_>
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Belle and Sebastian aren't popular? What are you living under, a rock?
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Hinder... especially after reading their Rolling Stone interview.
Also, the Fray.
In the end, for me, it is not really about the music. If I don't like it, I turn it off but the annoyiiing interviews and inflated sense of self worth make me detest them.
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There is no band out there right now that is worse than Hinder, period. They are bottom of the barell in music and personality.
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Saw Cat Empire on Letterman last night. What a nightmare; like Bruce Willis fronting Everything. Apparently, they're huge in their native Australia.
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belle & sebastian are only popular if you listen to nothing but indie rock
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i enjoy The Fray because they've got a piano and it's a bit unique (in terms of "new hot zomg vh1 bands") and i promoted for the same reason.
I've never liked RHCP, and this latest CD is enough to make me vomit.
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The reason I choose She Wants Revenge is because that's the one band of the list of those I can't stand that I keep hearing; otherwise, I agree with pretty much all of those others listed.
In my opinion, Belle & Sebastian does not belong on this thread because they are just too good. Again, my opinion, for those who need that reminder.
Sonick, you are dead right about the Red Hot Chili Shits! UGH!!!
By some freak good luck of nature, I have yet to be cursed with the sounds of Hinder...but I take everyone's word for it.
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I just introduced myself to "Hinder" with a healthy dose of ITunes sampling. They are so bad that they are good. Listening to them is like watching some low budget B-movie that has acting and special effects that are so poor that you end up watching anyway just for kicks. Are they really popular? I might not have my finger on the pulse of popular music, but its hilarious that someone might listen to this and think that its musically/artistically interesting.
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Tie between nickelback and the fray.
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Unfortunately, Hinder are approaching double platinum . . . . & I don't particularly care for Fallout Boy nor Panic! At The Disco much either. I can enjoy a catchy, fluffy, meaningless song as much as the next cat but for some reason these groups just raise my ire like a motherfucker.
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Originally posted by Steny Hoyer, Pubic Destroyer:
Belle and Sebastian aren't popular? What are you living under, a rock?
I'm not, but almost everyone I know must be by your reasoning, considering I know perhaps one other person who's ever even heard of them. Do you honestly think that if you were to ask random people on the street whether they've heard of Belle and Sebastian you would get any significant numbers? I guarantee you'd be lucky to get one out of a hundred, unless you hit up a college campus. The vast majority of people get their music from popular radio and MTV. When radio stations are playing a band's single once an hour, and their video has been branded by VH1's "Need to Know Artist" label, that's popular.
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If you're headlining venues as large as Constitution Hall and Merriweather Post (as Belle and Sebastian have), you most certainly ARE popular.
And you only know one person wh has heard of Belle and Sebastian? Do you live in a retirement home or something?
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This is my favorite Hinder review, courtesy of AllMusic.com:
Released in September 2005, Hinder's Extreme Behavior revives the simpleton riffs and stupid misogyny of 2001 albums from Puddle of Mudd and Nickelback for a whole new batch of undergrads. This isn't even post-grunge â?? it's straight-up dude rock. The artwork is a triggered response collage of boobs, lingerie, and Jäger, and the music is so obvious that it actually recedes from the ear. Like a stereo left on in the keg room, it's just a chatter of swear words and tuneless electric guitar blab. Austin Winkler sounds like a drunk shouting along with Chad Kroeger, and his lyrics? "Let's go home and get stoned/Cause the sex is so much better when you're mad," "She said she's sorry/With one finger/I said fuck that," "She said she loved the taste of my oh oh oh" â?? Winkler doesn't even have enough class to fake sounding cool. When Hinder and producer Brian Howes (he co-wrote every song with the band; Nickelback producer Joey Moi also gets a credit) do try a little tenderness, they sound like a bludgeoned Wallflowers ("Nothin' Good About Goodbye"), thudding power ballad torchbearers ("Lips of an Angel"; cue the soaring solo stolen from hair metal), or bumbling Guns N' Roses thieves (the played-out "Sweet Child" rewrite "Homecoming Queen"). Extreme Behavior can't even make it as rote hard rock â?? it's too insulting to women and your intelligence. That's why it's dude rock instead. Hinder are so egregiously dull they appeal not to fans of music, but fans of high fives.
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www.hinderford.com (http://www.hinderford.com)
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i hate all bands with cool names that play at the black cat that everyone thinks rule because they're so underground and trendy to the brain of waving it in everyones face, then you listen to them and they suck to the point of never making it past the life of handmade shirts and cardigans.
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Hmm... I can think of two - My Chemical Romance and The Fallout Boys
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I'm quite up on this... I teach middle school... so I have girls in my class that have FOB written all over their belongings. Apparently their is/are some hot guys in this group... My chemical romance is further down the list.. another is Panic! at the disco. I've seen Taking back sunday around as well. I had an argument with a seventh grader who thought it was just panic at the disco... I said, no, really it's Panic! at the disco.... the beauty of adolescent conversation.
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How about most most hated "rock "act". Yes both terms need pretentious quotes:
Daughtry
Gwen Stefani
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I'd just assume call Gwen "Broadway" now instead of rock.
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I will second the RHCP vote.
i mean, its one thing if you're a band, who sucks, but why do they have to be everywhere, play every festival and win every award????
and to make matters worse, i actually know people who think they are the greatest band on earth.
incredible!
Do you say that about the Yankees? ;)
(For the record, I tapped out on the amount of exposure and popularity of RHCP long ago. Man, did they play that one song enough in the 90s?)
Currently, I'm truly disappointed (annoyed? ;) ) in Snow Patrol. However, my answer is: Nickelback followed by Fall Out Boy.
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Originally posted by Steny Hoyer, Pubic Destroyer:
If you're headlining venues as large as Constitution Hall and Merriweather Post (as Belle and Sebastian have), you most certainly ARE popular.
And you only know one person wh has heard of Belle and Sebastian? Do you live in a retirement home or something?
There's obviously no point in discussing this, because we simply have different opinions on what constitutes "popular". And not everyone lives in a major metropolitan area, or has a circle of friends and/or relatives who actually look beyond what's played on popular radio and MTV. Around here, driving up to Hershey to see Nickelback is considered a good time.
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For all those people deriding Fall Out Boy, My Chemical Romance and Panic! At the Disco...are any of you fifteen? Those bands are relevant and great to YOUNG people not bitter, jaded twenty/thirty year-olds.
I don't have any of their music but I can appreciate the fact that they are energetic, enthusiastic, sincere and believe it or not, trying something fresh and (somewhat) original, musically.
I'm a little old to like My Chemical Romance but if I was fifteen? I'd LOVE them. They'd be all over my school notebooks. I'd LOVE a band that wrote songs entitled "There's A Good Reason These Tables are Numbered Honey, You Just Haven't Thought Of It Yet" or "Our Lawyer Made Us Change The Name Of This Song So We Wouldn't Get Sued" for no other reason than it would piss off a lot of baby boomers and sensitive, Belle and Sebastian scenesters. If Bob Dylan was young and alive in 2007 he'd be writing songs like that instead of anything on the pathetic "Modern Times."
It's sort of like how sad, thirty year-old virgins criticized those recent Star Wars movies. Those movies aren't for thirty year-olds. They're for thirteen year-old boys. Action, lasers, funny creatures, etc. They're Pop Rocks and skateboards.
Bands like Red Hot Chili Peppers are rich and win a lot of Grammies but they are in no way relevant to 2007. Fall Out Boy, MCR and Panic! get pissed all over and will never sell out stadiums but are very important bands because millions of young people like them and as Morrissey once said, they write "the songs that saved your life."
Brian
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Hey Brian,
Why is it that you can't even spell your name?
Your pal,
Rhett
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generation after generation have dismissed what young people like as not real music
if you can't wait to be old, it's a good start
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I'd rather act like an old person than a teenager. Why do so many media and entertainment types find it necessary to glorify youth and deride older people?
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When you're old you tend to focus on the music of your youth. Maybe Seth is immune to this because of the club?
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Mr. Walalce,
I can only speak for myself, but most "sensitive Belle & Sebastian scenesters" I know are also "energetic, enthusiastic, sincere and [looking] something fresh and (somewhat) original, musically." Additionally, they're not strictly doctrinal people who would refuse to listen to a band because they aren't "indie" enough, they're simply looking for good music wherever it may be found.
I can't believe you'd use adjectives like this to refer to crass fourth-generation pop-punk whores like Fall Out Boy. Have you ever heard this group play live? Quite simply, they're an absolute shit band with no talent and a finely honed sense of how to sell themselves. Nothing wrong with that, there's tons of groups out there with a similar MO, but it just means that they stand at the top of my "most hated popular rock band right now."
I'm not just some "jaded 20-something" shitting on what kids like, there are plenty of other bands that I (again, I can only speak for myself) like and listen to (The Format, Brand New, and Against Me! spring to mind) who primarily appeal to teenagers. There's just no excuse for defending a shit band like Fall Out Boy.
And how dare you compare Pete Wentz to Morrissey. For shame.
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Rhett, I wish I could change it. I realized the mistake too late. Is there a way I can change my display and login name? I'd like it to be Brian_Wallace, obviously.
Brian
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AMEN.
It's so completely absurd that you would assume that all teenagers should be able to relate to any one band in particular. So I have been able to relate to bands like Air for years, and they have a primarily older audience...does that make me a bad person? I'm sorry that some teenagers choose to indulge in introspective talent instead of dense bullshit. As far as I'm concerned, music is what you make of it. Why preach that we listen to something we can't relate to just because "everyone else" can?
Furthermore, Fall Out Boy only have a record deal because they successfully sold themselves through Myspace. They cannot play their instruments for shit.
So even if you hate groups like the Red Hot Chili Peppers, at least they can play...
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if you were fifteen and knew how to use the internets then this would probably be easy for you
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Don't both Pete Wentz and Morrissey take it up the ass?
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For all those people deriding Fall Out Boy, My Chemical Romance and Panic! At the Disco...are any of you fifteen? Those bands are relevant and great to YOUNG people not bitter, jaded twenty/thirty year-olds.
I don't have any of their music but I can appreciate the fact that they are energetic, enthusiastic, sincere and believe it or not, trying something fresh and (somewhat) original, musically.
I honestly don't know enough about the latter two, My Chemical Romance and Panic at the Disco. But I've heard a few numbers from "Fall Out Boy". To call them fresh and original is to ignore the fact that they sound like the derivative of the derivative of the derivative of the pop punk music that has been around for a long, long time.
And please don't compare any of these bands to Bob Dylan. He's represented for five decades, been nominated multiple times for the Nobel Peace Prize, written anthems for major social movements, and kicked ass in general. The shelf life for popular teen bands like these is about two records. The reason that some people are naming them on a board like this is that they are the flavor of the month right now and make an easy target. They might be fun and exciting to some, but I doubt anyone will know who they are in three years.
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Didn't Bob Dylan once kick his girlfriend's ass too?
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Also, RHCP, no longer relevant? Maybe they are nearing the end of their relevancy, but I wouldn't exactly call a band who just sold several million records of a double disc of new material, have at least three huge modern rock radio singles and sold out large arenas based partly on said new radio singles no longer relevant.
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They might be fun and exciting to some, but I doubt anyone will know who they are in three years.
You could say the same thing about half the bands that people adore around here.
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You all are taking this WAAAAAAAY too seriously. It's music; people like what they like. If I were a 15-year-old kid, I wouldn't (and didn't) give two shits about what bands mattered in the long run, and I certainly wouldn't care that FOB aren't "art" and that Bob Dylan is.
A bunch of uppity white yuppie music geeks are coming down on the likes and dislikes of average middle-of-the-road teenagers who never claimed to be music scholars or historians in the first place. In the long run, who gives a fuck?
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Ben's Chili Bowl
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1) For all you Chili Peppers haters. Say what you must about Anthony Kiedis and his yabba dabba doo lyrics (I don't know who came up with that line, but even though I'm a Chili Peppers fan it's some classic shit. Was it youbebetty?), but you'd be hard pressed to find a better band than Frusciante (a recently confirmed guitar god - there's not a lot of those), Flea (who's been more or less the best bassist on the planet for damn near 15 years), & Chad Smith - a solid drummer. Go ahead. I dare you.
2) Bob Dylan (arguably, maybe no argument at all, the best songwriter of the past 50 years or so & the voice of a generation & movement) is selling bras & panties with his songs. So the universe is kinda spinning on a fucked-up axis right now.
3) As I said earlier, can't stand Hinder or My Chemical Romance, & I don't particularly care for Fallout Boy. And I still wouldn't if I was 15. But in their (half-assed) defense, "Dance, Dance" & that new "Arms Race" single are fairly catchy songs. I appreciate it for what is. A catchy song from a more or less untalented band. It boggles me that they are so popular. My Chemical Romance sounds like a bad karaoke version of Queen & shit. People actually think these cats are like great bands. So, in closing, I say this to our youth concerning these aforementioned "bands" (I use that term loosely than a motherfucker), remember kids -
"Just cause you pour syrup on shit, doesn't make it pancakes." :D
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Wasn't John "Slow Hands Jr." Mayer also recently crowned a guitar god?
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"Wasn't John "Slow Hands Jr." Mayer also recently crowned a guitar god?"
John Mayer is a fucking badass guitarist, listen to the John Mayer Trio or watch live videos, the man is insane! he deserves a modern day guitar god nod, although JOhn Frusciante tops him.
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I can more or less concede that. John Mayer's a nasty fuckin' guitarist. Rock god may be a push, but I certainly can't argue it. Maybe he's our generation's Peter Frampton. :D
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John Mayer is one awesome guitar player...its just too bad that talent goes to waste when the other aspects of his music are watered down, his lyrics are cheesy and his voice is kind of annoying.