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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: mankie on July 16, 2004, 12:45:00 pm
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Because he can half his deficit in a single day!
:D
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Half the deficit, and half the balls.
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Doesn't seem to bother Sheryl.
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Well when the alternative is blowing Kid Rock, Lance must seem like a godsend.
Originally posted by Bollocks:
Doesn't seem to bother Sheryl.
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EEEWWWWWW, was she banging him?
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Another classic case of, "what the fuck does she see in him, she could do much better"...just like they say about me and my missus to be honest!
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BOLLOCKS BOLLOCKS BOLLOCKS BOLLOCKS!!!! :mad:
Tyler's gone down with a back injury. Must be bad because he's one tough dude having rode most of last years tour with a broken collar bone.
Now I'm torn, I'd like Lance to win, but also don't want him to win more tours than the greatest cyclist ever, Big Ted!
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I'm still stickin' with Ullrich. He'll come back. He's good. He knows how to. Come on, Jan, don't let me down!
But the *swoon* award goes to Thor Hjusfeld, of Norway, who is so *adorable* that it makes me want to get cable so i can watch him.
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Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
I'm still stickin' with Ullrich. He'll come back. He's good. He knows how to. Come on, Jan, don't let me down!
But the *swoon* award goes to Thor Hjusfeld, of Norway, who is so *adorable* that it makes me want to get cable so i can watch him.
Ullrich is done. In fact, the way he's climbing those hills I would pass him and give him "the look" ;)
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Ullrich had a good tt, but still lost another minute to Lance. How demoralizing must it have been for Basso to see Lance pass him after he'd started two minutes before him?
Unless there's an accident or injury, Lance is the 6 time champion.
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Reminds me of the part on "Soldier" where Kurt Russell got passed by one of the new versions of Soldiers after starting twenty minutes ahead.
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Originally posted by Bollocks:
Ullrich had a good tt, but still lost another minute to Lance. How demoralizing must it have been for Basso to see Lance pass him after he'd started two minutes before him?
Unless there's an accident or injury, Lance is the 6 time champion.
Yup, I'll agree with that. Darnit, Ullrich, what the heck is your problem? Don't you know you're aiming for #1, not #2? #1 wins. Believe me.
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Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
Originally posted by Bollocks:
Ullrich had a good tt, but still lost another minute to Lance. How demoralizing must it have been for Basso to see Lance pass him after he'd started two minutes before him?
Unless there's an accident or injury, Lance is the 6 time champion.
Yup, I'll agree with that. Darnit, Ullrich, what the heck is your problem? Don't you know you're aiming for #1, not #2? #1 wins. Believe me. [/b]
He's German, they're used to coming second... :D
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For those boardies really into it...
MORE (Mid-Atlantic Off-Road Enthusiasts) is having a Tour de France party tonight, showing highlights and replays and giving away tons-o-stuff, including a postie bike! (wow!)
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Thu July 22
I'll be there before I jump on my bike to make Ted Leo...
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Another stage win for Lance.....do you think he pushed for the win that he didn't need, to piss the kraut fans off who were evidently spitting at him during the tt's yesterday? I'm all for shouting and yelling because it adds to the excitement, but when they run alongside or wave flags right in front...that's going too far. As for spitting, only filthy scum do shit like that.
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Originally posted by Bollocks:
Another stage win for Lance.....do you think he pushed for the win that he didn't need, to piss the kraut fans off who were evidently spitting at him during the tt's yesterday?
No, I think he's hungry, he's amped and he wants to show them he is boss all the way to Paris.
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Originally posted by Bollocks:
As for spitting, only filthy scum do shit like that.
Hasn't Rhett done that to somebody on one of his vacations? I think it was the Italy one but I could be mistaken.
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Originally posted by Sailor Ripley:
Originally posted by Bollocks:
Another stage win for Lance.....do you think he pushed for the win that he didn't need, to piss the kraut fans off who were evidently spitting at him during the tt's yesterday?
No, I think he's hungry, he's amped and he wants to show them he is boss all the way to Paris. [/b]
Pissing the nazis off an added bonus though.....has to be.
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Originally posted by Bollocks:
Pissing the nazis off an added bonus though.....has to be.
I'm sure.
I can't believe some cycling fans are that lame. Like him or not, respect his skills.
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Yeah. he's dope. oops, did i say dope? i meant, umm... swell.
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Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
Yeah. he's dope. oops, did i say dope? i meant, umm... swell.
I really don't think Armstrong dopes, and even if he did he could never get away with it the way they hound him like they do. The French hate the fact a doodle keeps winning the damn tour so they're out for him big time......they break into his hotel room looking for evidence, they go through the trash from the team bus, and God knows what else they do. I honestly think he's a worthy champion with a great team around him, who deserve as much credit as he does for his success, which Lance gives credit to his team every chance he gets.
The only reason I didn't want him to get six is because Merckz would've won six had a French twat not punched him at broke his ribs as he was on his way to winning his sixth, so don't want anyone to eclipse the magic number of five tour wins. Now, after the fans were spitting at him I hope he wins this one by the largest margin ever recorded.
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Ahhh, Merckx. I see his frames around every so often. Usually some messenger's hauling ass down the street on one of them.
Originally posted by Bollocks:
The only reason I didn't want him to get six is because Merckx would've won six...
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Originally posted by thirsty moore:
Ahhh, Merckx. I see his frames around every so often. Usually some messenger's hauling ass down the street on one of them.
I believe that would be the elder's (Eddie's) line of bikes, as opposed to the junior (Axel)riding the tour.
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Indeed it would!
Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
I believe that would be the elder's (Eddie's) line of bikes, as opposed to the junior (Axel)riding the tour.
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The only reason I didn't want him to get six is because Merckz would've won six
he also raced the Giro AND the Vuelta instead of saving himself for the Tour every year
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Originally posted by thirsty moore:
Ahhh, Merckx. I see his frames around every so often. Usually some messenger's hauling ass down the street on one of them.
Originally posted by Bollocks:
The only reason I didn't want him to get six is because Merckx would've won six...
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One day I will own a Merckz bike..."BIG TED" as they are affectionately referred to.
How's your project bike going Thirsty?
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It's moving along! Thanks for asking. Hopefully this weekend I get track ends welded onto my frame. I'm pretty excited.
That should do it and then I can ride. If I've learned one thing it's that building a bike on a budget is a long ordeal. I've made sure that this bike is cheaper than anything I can get in a store.
With my luck it'll get stolen in a week.
Originally posted by Bollocks:
How's your project bike going Thirsty?
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Originally posted by thirsty moore:
Hopefully this weekend I get track ends welded onto my frame.
Who did you wind up going with? And let's see a pic when it's done.
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Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
Yeah. he's dope. oops, did i say dope? i meant, umm... swell.
Why the resentment towards Armstrong....you too Brennser?
Scanlon hung in there for what......three stages? That's one more rider than Britain could muster though.
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Originally posted by Sailor Ripley:
And let's see a pic when it's done.
I caught a glimpse of Thirsty's handiwork last weekend. Sweet ride, no?
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its not resentment per se....this year in particular he has just destroyed the field - I'm in shock and awe, particularly after his shaky year last year
its more of a reaction to his probable anointment as the 'greatest ever' when he wins #6....as far as I'm concerned Merckx is the greatest ever because he did more than just concentrate on the Tour....but then again it was a different era
As for the doping, I'm still a little suspicious, after all 99.999% of the time people who were just 'good' athletes don't magically become greatest ever athletes at the age of 26 - Ireland had a swimmer like that a few years ago and she was eventually caught.
HOWEVER, I think most of the elite bikers are probably doping in some form or another, which essentially re-levels the playing field (or road in this case), unless Armstrong is doing something the others aren't, and you are correct in that the authorities are just dying for him to be caught
just my 2c
Originally posted by Bollocks:
Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
Yeah. he's dope. oops, did i say dope? i meant, umm... swell.
Why the resentment towards Armstrong....you too Brennser?
Scanlon hung in there for what......three stages? That's one more rider than Britain could muster though. [/b]
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As a Spaniard and a huge Indurain fan, it´s not good to see someone win 6 Tours in a row, but fuck, you have to acknowledge how great Amstrong is as a cyclist, all my respects.
This was one thing Spaniards were really proud of, having a cyclist who had won 5 Tours in a row, but now there is someone who has even gone farther, 6 tours.
Spitting to him, that is just sad.
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Originally posted by brennser:
As for the doping, I'm still a little suspicious, after all 99.999% of the time people who were just 'good' athletes don't magically become greatest ever athletes at the age of 26 - Ireland had a swimmer like that a few years ago and she was eventually caught.
A couple of years ago there was a really good article (that I will never be able to find now) that discussed how Armstrong's cancer helped his riding. The argument was essentially that the cancer destroyed a lot of his body and when he went to rebuild muscles, he did so in a way that was focused on making him the best rider. He also lost the weight which had always hampered him, and, the article argued, it may have beaten back some of the overbearing arrogance he was reported to have.
I don't have a strong feeling on whether he's doping or not, but his is such a good story, that it would be a shame if he was cheating.
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A couple of years ago there was a really good article (that I will never be able to find now)
what kind of attitude is that - we know you'll be able to find it :D
I remember reading that article as well, or at least one similar to it...
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
A couple of years ago there was a really good article (that I will never be able to find now) that discussed how Armstrong's cancer helped his riding. The argument was essentially that the cancer destroyed a lot of his body and when he went to rebuild muscles, he did so in a way that was focused on making him the best rider. He also lost the weight which had always hampered him, and, the article argued, it may have beaten back some of the overbearing arrogance he was reported to have.
A large portion of his first book discusses this.
A significant bit is also spent proclaiming his undying devotion, love & gratitude for the love of his life - his wife Kristen. Whom he has since divorced.
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Leaving her to raise three kids, all aged five or less, on her own. Nice guy.
Originally posted by grotty:
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
A couple of years ago there was a really good article (that I will never be able to find now) that discussed how Armstrong's cancer helped his riding. The argument was essentially that the cancer destroyed a lot of his body and when he went to rebuild muscles, he did so in a way that was focused on making him the best rider. He also lost the weight which had always hampered him, and, the article argued, it may have beaten back some of the overbearing arrogance he was reported to have.
A large portion of his first book discusses this.
A significant bit is also spent proclaiming his undying devotion, love & gratitude for the love of his life - his wife Kristen. Whom he has since divorced. [/b]
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Those tall bikes are crazy. As for who's gonna be welding my frame... I've been in contact with Bystickel down in Harrisonburg. Thanks for the rec's Ripley!
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Sweet ride, no?
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
[QB] Leaving her to raise three kids, all aged five or less, on her own. Nice guy.
I'm sure the huge alimony/child support check every month helps a little....and for the record, he's pulled out of the olympics because he wants to spend time with his kids after the tour. Let me tell you something from experience Rhett, sometimes the American injustice system prevents dads from seeing their kids as much as they'd like. Some fucking senile judge decides who, when and how often a dad gets to spend time with his own flesh and blood, so I don't want to hear any bullshit about "leaving her to raise three kids, all aged five or less, on her own", that just shows how ignorant you can be sometimes.
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Originally posted by brennser:
....as far as I'm concerned Merckx is the greatest ever because he did more than just concentrate on the Tour....but then again it was a different era
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I agree 100%...if you gave Armstrong the same bike Merckz was riding during his reign and set him off on the tour, and on the exact same course, there's no doubt in my mind that Armstrong could not have beaten Merckz time....but that doesn't take away from the amazing things Armstrong has accomplished.
If Armstrong is like me, then losing a testicle is dropping 1/4 of your total body weight, so that's a huge advantage!!!!!!!! :D
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From David Letterman's Top 10 (http://www.cbs.com/latenight/lateshow/top_ten/)
Top Ten Signs Lance Armstrong Is Getting Cocky
10. Race starts at 9, Lance rolls out of bed around noon
9. Has already figured out that the trophy can hold a 3-gallon margarita
8. He eats frosting by the fistful
7. For the last leg, he rode one of those crazy 1920s bikes with the big front wheel
6. Deliberately crashing into things to get more air time on sportscenter
5. Making a couple extra bucks delivering pizzas during the race
4. After the starter pistol is fired, he hangs around hitting on french babes
3. Turns to the other riders and says, "oooh, I'm sooooo scared"
2. Instead of training, spent last 2 months pimping his bike
1. Has started selling ad space on his ass
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That list made me laugh way too loud at work!!!!!!
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Has anyne seen the interviews with Sherryl Crowe at the tour....they're hilarious. She tries to answer 'cycling' questions but you can see on her face she's wanting to say, "I don't fucking know, I'm just his girlfriend"
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Sure... I believe it... (http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/23/sports/sportsspecial/23lance.html?ex=1091596781&ei=1&en=ffc565f17549b997)
not really.
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I wanna give Lance a big shoutout for giving France another reason to hate our guts. :mad:
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Originally posted by Bollocks:
I agree 100%...if you gave Armstrong the same bike Merckz was riding during his reign and set him off on the tour, and on the exact same course, there's no doubt in my mind that Armstrong could not have beaten Merckz time....
I think you are way off here. I dont think bikes have changed that much, what has changed is knowledge of sports physiology and advanced training methods. Also Merckx won a lot of other races, he did not just concentrate to peak for the tour. That was mostly a Greg Lemond invention.
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Seems like if he's got three young children at home, he would have made a better effort to save his marriage. But what do I know.
Originally posted by Bollocks:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
[QB] Leaving her to raise three kids, all aged five or less, on her own. Nice guy.
I'm sure the huge alimony/child support check every month helps a little....and for the record, he's pulled out of the olympics because he wants to spend time with his kids after the tour. Let me tell you something from experience Rhett, sometimes the American injustice system prevents dads from seeing their kids as much as they'd like. Some fucking senile judge decides who, when and how often a dad gets to spend time with his own flesh and blood, so I don't want to hear any bullshit about "leaving her to raise three kids, all aged five or less, on her own", that just shows how ignorant you can be sometimes. [/b]
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Originally posted by pepper*sans*salt:
I wanna give Lance a big shoutout for giving France another reason to hate our guts. :mad:
Why would they hate your guts?
Its just a dude riding a bike. His souplesse has been a joy to watch.
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
[QB] Seems like if he's got three young children at home, he would have made a better effort to save his marriage. But what do I know.
I dont think it takes a bucketful of empathy to realise that becoming a five or seven time tour champion and all round media whore might completely change your life, and cause you and you partner to grow totally apart.
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So when you start winning Nobel Prizes for all of your fine work in the science world, that will cause you to grow apart from your wife, divorce her, and seek out a lame rockstar to date? Oh well, at least there probably won't be small children involved.
And why pump out three children in give years if you've grown that far apart?
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Originally posted by mark e smith:
Originally posted by Bollocks:
I agree 100%...if you gave Armstrong the same bike Merckz was riding during his reign and set him off on the tour, and on the exact same course, there's no doubt in my mind that Armstrong could not have beaten Merckz time....
I think you are way off here. I dont think bikes have changed that much, what has changed is knowledge of sports physiology and advanced training methods. Also Merckx won a lot of other races, he did not just concentrate to peak for the tour. That was mostly a Greg Lemond invention. [/b]
Lets start with carbon fibre shall we, that around in Merckx day was it?...then there's those awkward gear levers that you had to reach down for and 'guess' where the right spot for the gear change is. I'm willing to bet that Eddie's bike weighed waaaaaaaaaaaay more than Lances does. The only part of the bike that really hasn't changed are the brakes, and they make you stop, not go. Not only that, it's not just the weight, there's the comfort of the rider to consider. As we who bike regular all know...cycling is as much sustaining pain and discomfort for extended periods as it is stamina, and Lance (or any modern day rider) wouldn't last 10 miles on the bikes of old.
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
So when you start winning Nobel Prizes for all of your fine work in the science world, that will cause you to grow apart from your wife, divorce her, and seek out a lame rockstar to date? Oh well, at least there probably won't be small children involved.
And why pump out three children in give years if you've grown that far apart?
So we can assume it was his fault, and his fault alone for the break up of the marraige can we?
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Nah, as I said, whatta I know.
Great biker? Definitely. Great human being? I dunno, and quite honestly, I don't really care. Was just blowing off steam on a Friday afternoon.
Gotta say though, he's one of those 32 year oldswho looks 40. Guess it's the cancer and the sun that has aged him.
Originally posted by Bollocks:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
So when you start winning Nobel Prizes for all of your fine work in the science world, that will cause you to grow apart from your wife, divorce her, and seek out a lame rockstar to date? Oh well, at least there probably won't be small children involved.
And why pump out three children in give years if you've grown that far apart?
So we can assume it was his fault, and his fault alone for the break up of the marraige can we? [/b]
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
So when you start winning Nobel Prizes......
Scientists generally dont travel as often as pro-cyclists, nor do they acheive the same recognition. How many Lance adverts are there now, and how many featuring famous scientists.?Along with this few scientists make much money.
But I can see that if a scientist did become rich and famous the temptation to run off with a young promising postdoc might be tempting. Actually that is a not too unfamiliar story, if you ignore the rich and famous bit.
People grow apart under the best circumstances. Others have unrealistic goals when entering a marriage. I dont think its hard to see how pissing off for three weeks at a time to go for a little cycle could put a strain on things.
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Seems like if he's got three young children at home, he would have made a better effort to save his marriage. But what do I know.
I think this quote (http://marriage.about.com/cs/celebritymarriages/a/lancekristin.htm?terms=marriage+lance+armstrong) might give a little insight.
Kristin Armstrong (February 2003): Marriage problems were "brought on gradually by a number of pressures, rather than one big blow-up. We've been together 4 1/2 years, and we've had six homes, three languages, three countries, one cancer comeback, three children, four Tour de France wins and one rise to celebrity. You're not supposed to cram such a huge amount of events into such a small period of time."
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Originally posted by Bollocks:
Lets start with carbon fibre shall we, that around in Merckx day was it?.Eddie's bike weighed waaaaaaaaaaaay more than Lances does.
I bet not:
"Carbon-fibre is another innovation, dropping the weight of a racing bike from 9kg to less than 7kg."
from http://www.viamichelin.com/viamichelin/gbr/tpl/mag3/art20030501/htm/int_liggett.htm (http://www.viamichelin.com/viamichelin/gbr/tpl/mag3/art20030501/htm/int_liggett.htm)
Plus steel frames are really compliant. They are often the most comfortable to ride.
Those click levers weigh about a pound more than the down tube simple old fashioned levers.
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Originally posted by mark e smith:
Originally posted by pepper*sans*salt:
I wanna give Lance a big shoutout for giving France another reason to hate our guts. :mad:
Why would they hate your guts?
Its just a dude riding a bike. His souplesse has been a joy to watch. [/b]
Oh I agree with you mark, no doubt about it. I'm definitely cheering for him. I think my initial statement gave you the wrong idea that i'm upset with Lance, but i'm not. Everything's cool no?
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Originally posted by mark e smith:
"Carbon-fibre is another innovation, dropping the weight of a racing bike from 9kg to less than 7kg."
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At that level of cycling, that is a lot.
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Originally posted by Bollocks:
Originally posted by mark e smith:
"Carbon-fibre is another innovation, dropping the weight of a racing bike from 9kg to less than 7kg."
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At that level of cycling, that is a lot. [/b]
Not so much compared to the overall bike+rider weight.
Do you think Lance would still have won the tour if his bike weighed 2 or 3 pounds more?
I think he would.
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Originally posted by mark e smith:
Do you think Lance would still have won the tour if his bike weighed 2 or 3 pounds more?
I think he would.
questionable. Have you ever carried 3 pounds an average of about 100 miles a day for 20 days?
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Originally posted by Bollocks:
Originally posted by mark e smith:
"Carbon-fibre is another innovation, dropping the weight of a racing bike from 9kg to less than 7kg."
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At that level of cycling, that is a lot. [/b]
Not sure about in Merckx day, but today there is a min. weight for the bike in the Tour.
Regarding shifting: while intergrated levers/shifters make shifting more convenient and don't require you to remove your hands from the bars, any cyclist worth a shit isn't "guessing" what gear they are hitting when using friction shifters. When you ride your bike day in and day out you know exactly how to hit the gear you need. Haven't noticed this year, but I know last year Lance was running one intergrated lever and one downtube friction lever on one of his bikes.
Just remember, most of those fancy cycling gizmos, materials, innovvations etc. aren't necessarily for better performance. Sure, that's what the marketing spiel is, but the riders use most of their stuff because they are paid to. If Trek put out a titanium frame next year, guess what Lance would be riding? And it's not because it's any better than CF.
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Originally posted by Sailor Ripley:
Just remember, most of those fancy cycling gizmos, materials, innovvations etc. aren't necessarily for better performance. Sure, that's what the marketing spiel is, but the riders use most of their stuff because they are paid to. If Trek put out a titanium frame next year, guess what Lance would be riding? And it's not because it's any better than CF. [/b]
CF has a limited lifespan whereas Ti lasts forever. I would personally take Ti over CF any day....thinking of buying a Ti (frame only) right now, that's in liquidaton at $545, then build a bike of my own.
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Originally posted by Bollocks:
CF has a limited lifespan whereas Ti lasts forever. I would personally take Ti over CF any day....thinking of buying a Ti (frame only) right now, that's in liquidaton at $545, then build a bike of my own.
I'm not argueing which material is better, just saying Lance will ride whatever is Trek's highend so they sell more bikes. TDF riders don't care about longevity though, material life is a moot point for them.
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Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
Originally posted by mark e smith:
Do you think Lance would still have won the tour if his bike weighed 2 or 3 pounds more?
I think he would.
questionable. Have you ever carried 3 pounds an average of about 100 miles a day for 20 days? [/b]
I was thinking about this whilst doing real work.....
Lance made 1 minute at Alp d'Huez over Ullrich in 40 minutes.
If being 1% heavier made him one percent slower (worst case scenario, there are rolling/momentum advantages to having more weight) then bike and rider must weigh around 170 pounds.... So a pound and a half would have been OK.
My gut weighs much more than 3 pounds.
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Originally posted by Bollocks:
.thinking of buying a Ti (frame only) right now, that's in liquidaton at $545, then build a bike of my own.
Why? 853 is pretty good. I would stick with it.
Do you have clipless shoes and pedals?
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its cheaper to get a good bike and replace parts over time than to build a bike, when i got mine i got a great deal, the parts alone would have cost more than the bike.
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