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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: chaz on October 01, 2004, 11:54:00 am

Title: decisions decisions
Post by: chaz on October 01, 2004, 11:54:00 am
After a long search (about 4 months) I started a new job just a couple of weeks ago.  And today I get a call from a guy I've been keeping in touch with and he offers me a job.  The pay is about $1700 less than my current job but with bonuses (my current job has no bonus program) could be much more.
 
 This new position would be more demanding and harder work in general, but the company is more dynamic and just going places.  More of a company I'd be proud to work for.
 
 My current boss is really nice and I don't want to be a dick and bail after just 2 weeks, but my gut is telling to go for it.
 
 I think I'm gonna go for the new job.
 
 Thoughts?  I think I've made up my mind, but I have to give this guy an answer by monday and I'm just curious to hear what people think.
Title: Re: decisions decisions
Post by: Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer on October 01, 2004, 11:58:00 am
It's kind of a slickster move to up and go after two weeks, but I don't think they've really earned your undying loyalty after only employing you for two weeks. So I say do what's best for you.
Title: Re: decisions decisions
Post by: Bags on October 01, 2004, 11:59:00 am
You've gotta go with your gut.  Though your new boss is a good person, if something happened at the company and it took a turn financially, they'd let you go even though they like you.  
 
 It bodes well for you that it's not easy to bail, but you're the person who looks out for you.  If you're certain the new offer is preferable, you owe it to yourself.  Not taking it may also make your current job harder, as you'll have regret on top of frustration if anything isn't going well, etc.  And people perform better in jobs they're energized about.
 
 My 2 cents.
 
 PS, do what you can to NOT burn a bridge.  Can you help them find a replacement?  Get the some resumes, etc?
Title: Re: decisions decisions
Post by: markie on October 01, 2004, 12:00:00 pm
If you definitely have a new job and you have worked hard your first two weeks, why not just come clean and tell your boss your dilemma. The worst he can do is fire you..... He might offer you more cash to stay.
Title: Re: decisions decisions
Post by: ggw on October 01, 2004, 12:08:00 pm
While I agree with the part about levelling with your new boss, I disagree with the part about playing the more money angle.  People don't like to feel that they are getting played for money.
 
 In the end, choose the place where you believe you will be most challenged or where you will enjoy the work or the people -- essentially, where would you be happiest.  You're going to be spending 40-50-60 hours a week there.
 
 
 
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Originally posted by Deepak Chopra:
  If you definitely have a new job and you have worked hard your first two weeks, why not just come clean and tell your boss your dilemma. The worst he can do is fire you..... He might offer you more cash to stay.
Title: Re: decisions decisions
Post by: Bags on October 01, 2004, 12:09:00 pm
I agree with ggw. If you're going to step away, step away cleanly.
Title: Re: decisions decisions
Post by: Liberte on October 01, 2004, 12:31:00 pm
First, you need to get an absolute commitment regarding the second job.  The strongest they will go for (an employment contract is the gold standard, but those are hard to come by these days).  You don't want to be in the position of bowing out of your new job, only to find out that the second company was front-running anticipated budget release/contract win/executive approval or something else that wasn't actually in the bag when you heard the offer.  It does happen.  In the process of establishing that certainty, ask your champion at the second company whether you can have a little flexibility on start date.
 
 If you can, then you have a much better position as far as leaving the first company without completely burning bridges.  You never can tell when somebody you burned in the past will show up as a roadblock in your future--plus there's your conscience, karma, and soft stuff like that.  With some start date flexibility, you can offer to help recruit/train your replacement at the first company.  Most likely the offer will be declined, but you'll score enough good-guy points to moderate the harsh feelings your quick flip might otherwise trigger.
Title: Re: decisions decisions
Post by: chaz on October 01, 2004, 01:02:00 pm
Good feedback everyone.....Thanks.  :)
Title: Re: decisions decisions
Post by: thirsty moore on October 01, 2004, 01:24:00 pm
Chaz is so excited that he's going to take the job, he will be taking his wife to the Dewey Beach Music Festival to celebrate.  News at 11.
Title: Re: decisions decisions
Post by: chaz on October 01, 2004, 01:49:00 pm
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Originally posted by econo:
  Chaz is so excited that he's going to take the job, he will be taking his wife to the Dewey Beach Music Festival to celebrate.  News at 11.
Ha!!!  That'll be the day!
Title: Re: decisions decisions
Post by: chaz on October 04, 2004, 07:29:00 pm
Well, I'm staying at my current job.  My boss made a good counter offer and made it very clear to me that he views me as an integral part of the future of his business..  It's nice to feel wanted!
Title: Re: decisions decisions
Post by: on October 05, 2004, 09:56:00 am
Just go in, lay your badge on his desk and say this (http://members.fortunecity.com/wavjunky/swl-b/blowme2.wav)...works every time.
 
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 "Nobody in football should be called a genius. A genius is a guy like Norman Einstein."
 -Joe Theismann
Title: Re: decisions decisions
Post by: redsock on October 05, 2004, 10:17:00 am
2 job offers.... oh to be Chaz.... I'm 2 months from the unemployment line with no current alternatives. So much for the improving economy Bush talks about.
Title: Re: decisions decisions
Post by: Guiny on October 05, 2004, 10:24:00 am
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Originally posted by redsock:
  2 job offers.... oh to be Chaz.... I'm 2 months from the unemployment line with no current alternatives. So much for the improving economy Bush talks about.
7-11 in Arlington is hiring.
Title: Re: decisions decisions
Post by: on October 05, 2004, 10:41:00 am
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
  7-11 in Arlington is hiring.
<img src="http://pages.prodigy.net/rogerlori1/emoticons/grenade.gif" alt=" - " />
 Rob_G's former employer is also experiencing a massive personnal shortage, I believe..?
Title: Re: decisions decisions
Post by: redsock on October 05, 2004, 10:51:00 am
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
  7-11 in Arlington is hiring.
Thanks for the sympathy Gee. you think 7-11 has good benefits?
Title: Re: decisions decisions
Post by: on October 05, 2004, 10:59:00 am
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Originally posted by redsock:
         
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
  7-11 in Arlington is hiring.
Thanks for the sympathy Gee. you think 7-11 has good benefits? [/b]
Redsock, you too could have a good career in the U.S. Navy.  
 
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Title: Re: decisions decisions
Post by: Herr Professor Doktor Doom on October 05, 2004, 11:58:00 am
that's a fucked-up smiley!