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Title: How the west was won....
Post by: vansmack on October 03, 2004, 05:23:00 pm
It was an invasion from the south....
 
   <img src="http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2004-10/14495551.jpg" alt=" - " />
 
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Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: ratioci nation on October 03, 2004, 10:54:00 pm
a whimper from the midwest
 
   <img src="http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20041003/capt.ilbk10510032152.braves_cubs_ilbk105.jpg" alt=" - " />
 
 although I may be saying the same of the Cardinals in the playoffs
 
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Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: Venerable Bede on October 04, 2004, 11:26:00 am
vansmack, congrats on winning the al west.  do not look for me to say anything positive about the dodgers though.   :)
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: sonickteam2 on October 04, 2004, 11:31:00 am
i thought vansmack was from oakland and he liked the A's?  
 
  werent you routing for the A's last year?
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: Venerable Bede on October 04, 2004, 11:58:00 am
i think vansmack may be from anaheim proper, but i'm not 100% on that, but he's the angels fan. . . i'm from san jose, and i'm an a's fan.
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: sonickteam2 on October 04, 2004, 12:09:00 pm
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
  i think vansmack may be from anaheim proper, but i'm not 100% on that, but he's the angels fan. . . i'm from san jose, and i'm an a's fan.
oh. we'll i am sorry to hear that.  i need to know who to make fun of or expect to be made fun of by at the end of the weekend   :)
 
 
  do the angels still have that stupid monkey?
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: vansmack on October 04, 2004, 12:16:00 pm
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
 
  do the angels still have that stupid monkey?
I thought the Red Sox still had Pedro?
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: vansmack on October 04, 2004, 12:25:00 pm
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
  i thought vansmack was from oakland and he liked the A's?  
 
  werent you routing for the A's last year?
I now live in SF, however I was born and raised in Anaheim until I moved to DC for grad school.  I was in attendance for all three AL West Division Clinching games (79, 86, 04), the infamous Hendu game that I'm looking forward to reliving all week, and 4 of the seven World Series games.
 
 If I was rooting for the A's last year, it was because I was rooting for the west, though I don't recall. In 2002 however, I littered this board with Halo's propaganda all playoffs long.
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: sonickteam2 on October 04, 2004, 12:25:00 pm
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Originally posted by vansmack:
   
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
 
  do the angels still have that stupid monkey?
I thought the Red Sox still had Pedro? [/b]
oh, you like tha monkey? i am sorry.
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: vansmack on October 04, 2004, 12:38:00 pm
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
  oh, you like tha monkey? i am sorry.
I didn't until Game 6 of the 2002 World Series, at which point I found utmost respect for the little guy.
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: vansmack on October 04, 2004, 02:19:00 pm
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
   do the angels still have that stupid monkey?
<img src="http://bostondirtdogs.boston.com/Headline_Archives/nelson4.jpg" alt=" - " />
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: sonickteam2 on October 04, 2004, 02:23:00 pm
thats hilarious.  he's a movie star isnt he? or something, in the Dominican
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: vansmack on October 04, 2004, 02:28:00 pm
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
  thats hilarious.  he's a movie star isnt he? or something, in the Dominican
<img src="http://bostondirtdogs.boston.com/Headline_Archives/MB_ndr_moreau.jpg" alt=" - " />
 
 Not-so-Mini Marlon Brando with Nelson de la Rosa as the influential Majai
 in The Island of Dr. Moreau.
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: ratioci nation on October 05, 2004, 12:50:00 pm
It is complete bullshit that I cant watch todays game online because it is on ESPN, since when is it assumed everybody has cable,
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: sonickteam2 on October 05, 2004, 12:56:00 pm
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Originally posted by pollard:
  It is complete bullshit that I cant watch todays game online because it is on ESPN, since when is it assumed everybody has cable,
well, i also think its bullshit that the game start time (EST) are....
 
  LA/STL
 
   1pm, 8pm
 
  HOU/ATL
 
   4pm, 4pm
 
  BOS/ANA
 
   4pm, 10pm, 4pm
 
  NYY/MIN
 
   8pm, 7pm, 8pm
 
    apparently Dodgers fans get to eat breakfast to thier first game, Red Sox fans have to stay up til god knows when for Game 2 and unless you are a Yankees/Twins fan you dont get SHIT in prime time. the STL/LA series gets one, but thats not even prime time for LA.
 
    the networks are DYING for the Yankees to win this one....one more small market world series champ and baseball could be dead forever!
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: vansmack on October 05, 2004, 01:01:00 pm
Nobody in So Cal is at work today, and since I'm from So Cal, I took the day off too.
 
 Therefore, for those of you that are unfortunately at work today, I will be posting my thoughts and comments on the board here.  So when you're watching it on GameDay and it says "Shawn Green grounds out slowly to Scott Rolen," I'll let you know that Rolen charged the ball, barehanded it, and threw Green out in one fluid motion, clearly the best defensive 3rd baseman in the league.....that's the kind of guy I am.
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: ratioci nation on October 05, 2004, 01:02:00 pm
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Originally posted by vansmack:
  Nobody in So Cal is at work today, and since I'm from So Cal, I took the day off too.
 
 Therefore, for those of you that are unfortunately at work today, I will be posting my thoughts and comments on the board here.  So when you're watching it on GameDay and it says "Shawn Green grounds out slowly to Scott Rolen," I'll let you know that Rolen charged the ball, barehanded it, and threw Green out in one fluid motion, clearly the best defensive 3rd baseman in the league.....that's the kind of guy I am.
I am at home and listening to the radio broadcast, I probably wont be posting my thoughts.
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: vansmack on October 05, 2004, 01:03:00 pm
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Originally posted by pollard:
  I am at home and listening to the radio broadcast, I probably wont be posting my thoughts.
Why don't you just go down to Bricks?  They'll have it on.
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer on October 05, 2004, 01:05:00 pm
This is the one month of hte year it sucks not having cable. Fox seems to think they should make it all Yankees all the time, every fucking year.
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: ratioci nation on October 05, 2004, 01:05:00 pm
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Originally posted by vansmack:
  Why don't you just go down to Bricks?  They'll have it on.
because I am supposed to be at home "working" so I need to be available
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: vansmack on October 05, 2004, 01:10:00 pm
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Originally posted by pollard:
   
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Originally posted by vansmack:
  Why don't you just go down to Bricks?  They'll have it on.
because I am supposed to be at home "working" so I need to be available [/b]
Ahhhh...yet another great reason to be in SF - wireless networks galore!
 
 ESPN is using a cover version of Phil Collins "In the Air Tonight" by some band that was probably on the Warped Tour.  That's the third Phil Collins cover I've heard in two months - revival?
 
 Finley's grand slam has been shown twice, before the first pitch has been thrown?  Anyone, care to take the over/under? I'll set it at 4.
 
 Jonny Miller and Joe Morgan have the call.
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: sonickteam2 on October 05, 2004, 01:17:00 pm
I am going for a Dodger's sweep.
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: ratioci nation on October 05, 2004, 01:18:00 pm
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
  I am going for a Dodger's sweep.
:(
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: Celeste on October 05, 2004, 01:22:00 pm
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Originally posted by pollard:
   
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Originally posted by vansmack:
  Why don't you just go down to Bricks?  They'll have it on.
because I am supposed to be at home "working" so I need to be available [/b]
you need a laptop with wireless or at the very least a blackberry
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: vansmack on October 05, 2004, 01:23:00 pm
Williams has been getting his ball up a little bit, which is a bad sign for a sinker ball pitcher.  The Dodgers only managed two flare singles however.  
 
 One odd note, the teams aces are throwing today: Woody Williams and Odalis Perez (seven wins all season!).  With Schilling, Colon, Clemens, Santana, Mussina, and Ortiz on the other six teams, those are two pretty sorry aces.
 
 Maybe you don't need it with 14 Gold Gloves behind you in St. Louis, but not a single Gold Glove in LA has to be worrysome for Dodger fans.
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: ratioci nation on October 05, 2004, 01:26:00 pm
<img src="http://espanol.geocities.com/saludybeisbol/img/pujol.JPG" alt=" - " />
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: ratioci nation on October 05, 2004, 01:28:00 pm
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Originally posted by Celeste:
  you need a laptop with wireless
have one, but battery is shot, and waiting for a fedex
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: vansmack on October 05, 2004, 01:30:00 pm
Just walk him next time.
 
 It was a great pitch (in a great ptich sequence, changing speeds and location), low and inside and Pujols went down and crushed it!  That's 3 HR's in 11 at-bats against Odalis Perez for Pujols.  Unbelievable.
 
 Any chance Milton Bradley hits somebody in these playoffs?
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: vansmack on October 05, 2004, 01:35:00 pm
Joe Morgan: "He needs to use the curve ball to get the the double play here"
 
 Jonny Miller: "He's only got 1 double play in his last 24 starts, Joe, which is odd for a sinker ball pitcher."
 
 Williams gets Cora to ground into a double play with his sinker, not his curve ball.
 
 They should let Venerable and I have the SAP channel to call the game.
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: vansmack on October 05, 2004, 01:49:00 pm
Gray Miller reports: "Tony La Russa asks his bench coach 'what do you got?' and the bench coach said '5.7' as the time it takes Perez to get to home plate.  Renteria steals second base on the next pitch"
 
 Joe: "Those numbers are great and all, but you still have to read him correctly"
 
 Renteria is picked off on the next pitch but Odalis inexplicably drops the ball as he's chasing Renteria between the bags.  The Dodgers had him out and that has to cost them a run against the Cards, doesn't it?  Great insight by Joe Morgan though.
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: keithstg on October 05, 2004, 01:50:00 pm
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Originally posted by vansmack:
  Joe Morgan: "He needs to use the curve ball to get the the double play here"
 
 Jonny Miller: "He's only got 1 double play in his last 24 starts, Joe, which is odd for a sinker ball pitcher."
 
 Williams gets Cora to ground into a double play with his sinker, not his curve ball.
 
 They should let Venerable and I have the SAP channel to call the game.
Anyone but Joe Morgan... I think that they have one of Roberto Clemente's kids calling the game on SAP...
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: vansmack on October 05, 2004, 02:11:00 pm
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Originally posted by vansmack:
  Renteria is picked off on the next pitch but Odalis inexplicably drops the ball as he's chasing Renteria between the bags.
For those scoring at work, or if you're alone, that's scored a caught stealing for Renteria, and an error on Perez, despite the fact there was no out recorded, nobody advanced, and no pitch to the plate.  I love MLB stats some time.
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: vansmack on October 05, 2004, 02:16:00 pm
Walker looked silly striking out on his first at-bat, but not this time.  He tattooed a first pitch curveball over the right-field fence.  And the best fans in baseball have now asked for a curtain call from both sluggers after their HR.  Great scene.
 
 And Odalis' reward: Pujols, then Rolen, Renreria, Edmonds, Sanders.....
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: ratioci nation on October 05, 2004, 02:17:00 pm
nevermind photo did not work, but 2 run double as I type
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: keithstg on October 05, 2004, 02:19:00 pm
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Originally posted by vansmack:
 
 And Odalis' reward: Pujols, then Rolen, Renreria, Edmonds, Sanders.....
And this is why the Dodgers will be swept...
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: ratioci nation on October 05, 2004, 02:20:00 pm
ahhhhhhhh, i need cable
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: vansmack on October 05, 2004, 02:22:00 pm
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Originally posted by keithstg:
   
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Originally posted by vansmack:
 
 And Odalis' reward: Pujols, then Rolen, Renreria, Edmonds, Sanders.....
And this is why the Dodgers will be swept... [/b]
And the rout is on, Perez is chased in the third.  6-0 cards.  There is no way Jeff Weaver wins game two in a must win situation.  The Dodgers only chance was to win game one and with no pressure, the good Jeff Weaver may show up.  He'll be lucky to make it past the third himself.
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: BookerT on October 05, 2004, 02:22:00 pm
to sorta quote david berman, "odalis, you shine with an evil light."
 
 edmonds has the sweetest looking swing since will clark in the late '80s.
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: vansmack on October 05, 2004, 02:25:00 pm
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Originally posted by BookerT:
 
 
 edmonds has the sweetest looking swing since will clark in the late '80s.
So true.
 
 I'm still amazed he went from a clubhouse cancer in Anaheim to a likeable guy in St. Louis.  At least he got to see Washburn, Erstad, Salmon, Percival and Anderson get ring without him.  That made me feel good.
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: Venerable Bede on October 05, 2004, 02:25:00 pm
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Originally posted by BookerT:
 
 edmonds has the sweetest looking swing since will clark in the late '80s.
yeah, his wife has been on the receiving end of that swing a few times too.
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: keithstg on October 05, 2004, 02:29:00 pm
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Originally posted by vansmack:
   
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Originally posted by keithstg:
   
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Originally posted by vansmack:
 
 And Odalis' reward: Pujols, then Rolen, Renreria, Edmonds, Sanders.....
And this is why the Dodgers will be swept... [/b]
And the rout is on, Perez is chased in the third.  6-0 cards.  There is no way Jeff Weaver wins game two in a must win situation.  The Dodgers only chance was to win game one and with no pressure, the good Jeff Weaver may show up.  He'll be lucky to make it past the third himself. [/b]
As a Yankees fan, I can assure you that Jeff Weaver will implode tomorrow. I've seen it too many times before. Too bad - he looked like he had so much potential in Detroit, and now he's just Kenny Rogers all over again.
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: ratioci nation on October 05, 2004, 02:32:00 pm
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
  yeah, his wife has been on the receiving end of that swing a few times too.
what are you talking about, have never heard that, I read rumors that he cheated on his wife in california, but never that he hit her
 
 hope this is not just more bitterness from a cubs and A's fan
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: Celeste on October 05, 2004, 02:36:00 pm
will clark was a hottie when he kept his cap on
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: vansmack on October 05, 2004, 02:36:00 pm
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Originally posted by keithstg:
  Anyone but Joe Morgan...  
He has begun his tirade on how the Dodgers handled the Milton Bradley the correct way and how Anaheim handled the Guillen situation the wrong way, with Tracy showing support for Bradley and helping him get through it.  What Scioscia did won't help Guillen.
 
 Three points:  (1) Bradley admitted he has a problem and is seeking help, Guillen has not.  (2) Bradley apologized for letting his team down.  Guillen has not.  (3) Bradley's anger has been directed at everybody BUT teammates and the coaches in Los Angeles (fans, umpires, and the media sure), all of Guillen's anger has been directed at the coaches and the pitching staff.  
 
 Joe Morgan, you're wrong.  Again.
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: Venerable Bede on October 05, 2004, 02:36:00 pm
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Originally posted by pollard:
   
Quote
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
  yeah, his wife has been on the receiving end of that swing a few times too.
what are you talking about, have never heard that, I read rumors that he cheated on his wife in california, but never that he hit her
 
 hope this is not just more bitterness from a cubs and A's fan [/b]
i suppose it's a rumour that's been around for while.. back in the angels day.  no, it's not the a's fan that's bitter, it's the baseball fan that thinks edmonds is a big time jerk that cares only about himself.
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: vansmack on October 05, 2004, 02:39:00 pm
At 7-0, the St. Louis crowd has broken out the "Beat LA" chant.....
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: keithstg on October 05, 2004, 02:40:00 pm
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Originally posted by vansmack:
   
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Originally posted by keithstg:
  Anyone but Joe Morgan...  
He has begun his tirade on how the Dodgers handled the Milton Bradley the correct way and how Anaheim handled the Guillen situation the wrong way, with Tracy showing support for Bradley and helping him get through it.  What Scioscia did won't help Guillen.
 
 Three points:  (1) Bradley admitted he has a problem and is seeking help, Guillen has not.  (2) Bradley apologized for letting his team down.  Guillen has not.  (3) Bradley's anger has been directed at everybody BUT teammates and the coaches in Los Angeles (fans, umpires, and the media sure), all of Guillen's anger has been directed at the coaches and the pitching staff.  
 
 Joe Morgan, you're wrong.  Again. [/b]
Typical. I bet that in about 5 minutes he'll go into his trademarked ten minute oratory on Barry Bonds. That, or the Big Red Machine... The only thing worse than listening to Morgan call a game is reading his "columns" on ESPN.com
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer on October 05, 2004, 02:40:00 pm
What is Guillens' problem?
 
 
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Originally posted by vansmack:
   
Quote
Originally posted by keithstg:
  Anyone but Joe Morgan...  
He has begun his tirade on how the Dodgers handled the Milton Bradley the correct way and how Anaheim handled the Guillen situation the wrong way, with Tracy showing support for Bradley and helping him get through it.  What Scioscia did won't help Guillen.
 
 Three points:  (1) Bradley admitted he has a problem and is seeking help, Guillen has not.  (2) Bradley apologized for letting his team down.  Guillen has not.  (3) Bradley's anger has been directed at everybody BUT teammates and the coaches in Los Angeles (fans, umpires, and the media sure), all of Guillen's anger has been directed at the coaches and the pitching staff.  
 
 Joe Morgan, you're wrong.  Again. [/b]
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: vansmack on October 05, 2004, 02:43:00 pm
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
  i suppose it's a rumour that's been around for while.. back in the angels day.
It was talked about when the trade went down, but I'm not sure it was ever public.  His cheating, abusive behavior and general lack of interest in the Angels club house were all reasons given for the trade.
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: vansmack on October 05, 2004, 02:47:00 pm
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  What is Guillens' problem?
 
   
No respect for authority, general lack of maturity, and an inablilty to understand team rules have led to his downfall.
 
 The Pirates probably brought him up too early (at age 19) and he's never lived up to expectations.  And despite his wonderful numbers this season, he's probably never been personally satisfied with his peformance either.
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: vansmack on October 05, 2004, 02:50:00 pm
A rare miss by Rolen led to the Dodgers run.  He's definitely still hurt because I've seen Rolen make that play 100 times.
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: sonickteam2 on October 05, 2004, 03:12:00 pm
here come the dodgers
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: ratioci nation on October 05, 2004, 03:14:00 pm
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
  here come the dodgers
scored a lot of runs with that K
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: vansmack on October 05, 2004, 03:20:00 pm
This game's over.  I'm going to get lunch with Samckette, so all of you Sox fans get your smack on (or get your ass out of the office and in front of a TV).  The Halo's aren't afraid of you.
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: Venerable Bede on October 05, 2004, 03:21:00 pm
man, what a wasted use of robin ventura.  surely the dodgers had someone else they could have used in that situation.
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: vansmack on October 05, 2004, 03:36:00 pm
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
  man, what a wasted use of robin ventura.  surely the dodgers had someone else they could have used in that situation.
Hee Sop Choi?
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: Guiny on October 05, 2004, 03:40:00 pm
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Originally posted by vansmack:
  Walker looked silly striking out on his first at-bat, but not this time.  He tattooed a first pitch curveball over the right-field fence.  
Even though I'm a Yankee fan, Larry Walker has been my favorite player the last nine years.....Even though he's from Canada.   :cool:
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: Guiny on October 05, 2004, 03:41:00 pm
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Originally posted by vansmack:
 
 Three points:  (1) Bradley admitted he has a problem and is seeking help, Guillen has not.  (2) Bradley apologized for letting his team down.  Guillen has not.  (3) Bradley's anger has been directed at everybody BUT teammates and the coaches in Los Angeles (fans, umpires, and the media sure), all of Guillen's anger has been directed at the coaches and the pitching staff.  
 
 [/QB]
Excellantly put!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: Venerable Bede on October 05, 2004, 03:43:00 pm
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Originally posted by vansmack:
   
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
  man, what a wasted use of robin ventura.  surely the dodgers had someone else they could have used in that situation.
Hee Sop Choi? [/b]
he he. .hee seop choi.  sure, use him. . i just don't agree with using ventura in the 6th inning to scratch out one run, especially with 2 outs.  but that could just be me.
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: vansmack on October 05, 2004, 03:47:00 pm
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
   but that could just be me.
No, you're right.  I just like to say Hee Sop Choi.
 
 If the Dodgers load the bases, they'll regret not having the Grand Slam specialist available.
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: kosmo vinyl on October 05, 2004, 03:54:00 pm
<img src="http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0783230338.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg" alt=" - " />
 
 just started watching it and it's some funny shite... when is the movie with the marionettes coming out?
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: vansmack on October 05, 2004, 03:55:00 pm
Lineups posted in Anaheim:
 
 FOR BOSTON
 
 Jesus Christ
 Mr. Strike out/Walk
 MVP Runner Up
 The Bat Tosser
 Second Half Wonder
 The Best Catcher in a contract year
 Not Nomar
 The Other Miller
 The guy who sat out Yom Kippur that you didn't hear about
 
 FOR ANAHEIM
 
 TiVo
 The Punter
 The MVP
 Lunchbox
 I can't throw, but you should see me hit
 Guillen who?
 Fatty Mo
 The little guy you'd love to have
 I'm only paid to hit grand slams
 
 
 In case you don't watch every Anaheim game, this is their defensive line-up.  It looks like they're playing for a close game.
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: Venerable Bede on October 05, 2004, 04:00:00 pm
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
   <img src="http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0783230338.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg" alt=" - " />
 
 just started watching it and it's some funny shite... when is the movie with the marionettes coming out?
ahh, baseketball. . .al michaels is brilliant in that movie.
 
 their new one comes out this weekend, i think.
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: vansmack on October 05, 2004, 04:26:00 pm
If Schilling throws that pitch to Vlad again, he won't be so lucky the next time.
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: sonickteam2 on October 05, 2004, 05:17:00 pm
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Originally posted by vansmack:
 
 Second Half Wonder
 
yessir
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: vansmack on October 05, 2004, 05:19:00 pm
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Originally posted by vansmack:
  In case you don't watch every Anaheim game, this is their defensive line-up.  It looks like they're playing for a close game.
This is not the defense Scioscia was thinking about when he made the line-up.
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: vansmack on October 05, 2004, 05:26:00 pm
I think I'm going to be sick....
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: sonickteam2 on October 05, 2004, 05:30:00 pm
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Originally posted by vansmack:
  I think I'm going to be sick....
did you say sick?
 
   <img src="http://www.rgj.com/news/files/2003/10/06/33497.jpg" alt=" - " />
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: sonickteam2 on October 05, 2004, 05:31:00 pm
i told myself "dont say a word, just let them win"
 
 and see what fucking happens....I'll shut up now.
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: Venerable Bede on October 05, 2004, 05:37:00 pm
hey sonick, did you read the article on espn.com today about the origin of the "curse of the bambino"?
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: sonickteam2 on October 05, 2004, 05:39:00 pm
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
  hey sonick, did you read the article on espn.com today about the origin of the "curse of the bambino"?
i dont believe in the curse :0
 
  I'll read it later though   :)
 
 where is it exactly?
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: Venerable Bede on October 05, 2004, 05:59:00 pm
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
   
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
  hey sonick, did you read the article on espn.com today about the origin of the "curse of the bambino"?
i dont believe in the curse :0
 
  I'll read it later though    :)  
 
 where is it exactly? [/b]
here (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/playoffs2004/news/story?page=Curse041005)
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: vansmack on October 05, 2004, 06:36:00 pm
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
   
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
   
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
  hey sonick, did you read the article on espn.com today about the origin of the "curse of the bambino"? where is it exactly? [/b]
here (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/playoffs2004/news/story?page=Curse041005) [/b]
That was an amazing piece that I couldn't take my eyes off of, even during the game.  Thanks for that.  I had no idea of that elongated history of the Red Sox.  Amazing how that stroy has changed over the years.
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Post by: saco on October 05, 2004, 07:08:00 pm
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
   
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
   
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
  hey sonick, did you read the article on espn.com today about the origin of the "curse of the bambino"? where is it exactly? [/b]
here (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/playoffs2004/news/story?page=Curse041005) [/b]
That was an amazing piece that I couldn't take my eyes off of, even during the game.  Thanks for that.  I had no idea of that elongated history of the Red Sox.  Amazing how that stroy has changed over the years. [/b]
Well Shaughnessy's gotta sell more books after all..
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: vansmack on October 05, 2004, 07:17:00 pm
Thank god that's over.  Boston really took it to Anaheim this afternoon.  Sad the defense let them down, because they actually hit Schilling fairly well.
 
 The good news: Anaheim lost game one to NY, Minnesota, and the Giants in 2002.
 
 The bad news: This is not the 2002 Angels.
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: sonickteam2 on October 06, 2004, 04:33:00 pm
1 wild pitch
   2 walks
   1 stolen base
   1 fielding error
   1 run
 
  way to go braves!!!
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: vansmack on October 06, 2004, 04:34:00 pm
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
  1 wild pitch
   2 walks
   1 stolen base
   1 fielding error
   1 run
 
  way to go braves!!!
Has Clemens cursed out the umpire yet to get yanked out of a big game he may lose?
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: Guiny on October 06, 2004, 04:53:00 pm
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Originally posted by vansmack:
   
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
  1 wild pitch
   2 walks
   1 stolen base
   1 fielding error
   1 run
 
  way to go braves!!!
Has Clemens cursed out the umpire yet to get yanked out of a big game he may lose? [/b]
I thought only Joaquin Andujar did that.
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: BookerT on October 06, 2004, 04:59:00 pm
man, both mike matheny and brad ausmus have gone deep in their respective game 1s. what a couple days for normally cripplingly bad hitting catchers.
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: vansmack on October 07, 2004, 01:42:00 am
Does Fox TV have Dick Bavetta behind the plate?
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: sonickteam2 on October 07, 2004, 12:24:00 pm
I just booked my hotel rooms for Halloween weekend in Boston
 
   hope i get to use em this year!
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: keithstg on October 07, 2004, 12:34:00 pm
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
  I just booked my hotel rooms for Halloween weekend in Boston
 
   hope i get to use em this year!
Why are you jinxing yourself?
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: sonickteam2 on October 07, 2004, 12:43:00 pm
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Originally posted by keithstg:
   
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
  I just booked my hotel rooms for Halloween weekend in Boston
 
   hope i get to use em this year!
Why are you jinxing yourself? [/b]
cause i want to be in Boston when we win the series......and if me being there or planning to, is what jinxes them, then i guess we'll never win!
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: Venerable Bede on October 07, 2004, 01:11:00 pm
btw, while i'm thinking about it. . what was jacque jones thinking when he lobbed that throw into first last night to allow jeter to score. . .come on.
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: sonickteam2 on October 07, 2004, 01:21:00 pm
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
  btw, while i'm thinking about it. . what was jacque jones thinking when he lobbed that throw into first last night to allow jeter to score. . .come on.
he didnt want it to go by the catcher, then it would've been 8-6!!!
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: keithstg on October 07, 2004, 01:34:00 pm
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
  btw, while i'm thinking about it. . what was jacque jones thinking when he lobbed that throw into first last night to allow jeter to score. . .come on.
No idea, but I'll take it! I think that he was initially surprised that Jeter would run, but he should have been moving forward when he caught the ball anyway...
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: sonickteam2 on October 07, 2004, 02:15:00 pm
So anyway,  me and the lady went to the bar down the street last night, at around 11:45pm to watch the Sox game.  the bar was scarcely populated so we got the spot right in front of the flat screen.  we were there for 5 minutes tops and some Yankees fan comes over and decides he's going to watch the game with us......
 
   he's pretty happy since his boys just squeaked one out, but the whole time he's routing hardcore against the Red Sox and admittedly hates the Angels too.  Going on and on about what a great rivalry it is because even though the Red Sox and the Yankees hate each other, the fans can still have fun together....
 
   right, you sat next to me, pal.  he left in the top of the 9th...
 
   he also thought we were crazy for doing shots whenever Pedro beans somembody.
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: vansmack on October 07, 2004, 02:16:00 pm
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
  btw, while i'm thinking about it. . what was jacque jones thinking when he lobbed that throw into first last night to allow jeter to score. . .come on.
Just another team self-destructing when they play the Yankees....
 
 Nathan throwing three innings?  I could see why you brought him in to pitch one inning, I questioned the second, and by third I knew it was game over.  Series tied 1-1.  
 
 Jones thinking Jeter wouldn't go?  Has he not seen this guy hustle on every play he makes, even in the all-star game?  Unbelievable.
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: vansmack on October 07, 2004, 02:19:00 pm
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
    he also thought we were crazy for doing shots whenever Pedro beans somembody.
Your best chance to get really drunk....
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: Venerable Bede on October 07, 2004, 02:32:00 pm
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Originally posted by vansmack:
 
 Nathan throwing three innings?  I could see why you brought him in to pitch one inning, I questioned the second, and by third I knew it was game over.  Series tied 1-1.  
 
 Jones thinking Jeter wouldn't go?  Has he not seen this guy hustle on every play he makes, even in the all-star game?  Unbelievable.
i have no problem with nathan coming in for a 3rd inning. . .he used to be a starter. . .3 innings should be nothing.  there's no excuse for jacque jones lobbying it in. . .jeter would have been out if he throws a strike to the catcher.
 
 mind you, i think that if braves start having problems anytime during the game, they should bring in smoltz.
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: keithstg on October 07, 2004, 02:53:00 pm
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Originally posted by vansmack:
   
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[/b]
Jones thinking Jeter wouldn't go?  Has he not seen this guy hustle on every play he makes, even in the all-star game?  Unbelievable. [/QB]
It's true about Jeter's hustle, and while I can only guess what he was thinking, I'd bet that he thought that the liner was so shallow that hustle or not, Jeter wouldn't chance it.
 
 I'm glad that he was wrong. I think that the Twins are in serious trouble now.
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: vansmack on October 07, 2004, 02:53:00 pm
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
  i have no problem with nathan coming in for a 3rd inning. . .he used to be a starter. . .3 innings should be nothing.  there's no excuse for jacque jones lobbying it in. . .jeter would have been out if he throws a strike to the catcher.
I'm a little surprised by this.  
 
 He hadn't thrown 3 innings in over a year and half.  Only once this season did he throw more than one inning, and that was in the beginning of the season.  His pitch count never reached 50 all season long.  He had thrown 11 straight balls, was lucky to get Olerud to swing at ball 4, walked two straight, and Gardenhire lets him face A-Job with two on?
 
 It was understandable to bring him in in the 10th - if you win, you have a day off and don't need him in game 3.  But if a gassed closer is your only hope, then how did you win 90+ games all season?  He surely didn't pitch in all of those wins.
 
 Great, so if Jones throws the ball home, maybe Jeters out.  But if A-Jobs ball doesn't bounce out of the park, the game was already over.  Why was he facing A-Job?  Why was nobody warming up when your closer started his third inning?
 
 And I'm not picking on Gardenhire exclusively.  Dumd moves like this seem to happen a lot when teams play the Yankees.
 
 And I was screaming at Scioscia to bring in Donnelly to face Varitek too.  Go with what got you there and manage for this win.  If you're content to let K-Rod throw two innings, why not let Donnelly get one fucking out for you?  Your starter is at 110 pitches!!!!!
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: sonickteam2 on October 07, 2004, 03:21:00 pm
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Originally posted by keithstg:
 
 I'm glad that he was wrong. I think that the Twins are in serious trouble now.
i dont think so.  they win one out of two in Minnesota, and they get Santana back on the mound.
 
   that said.  i dont think (or want) the Twins can beat the Yankees anyway. but i dont think they are in any more trouble than they were before game one
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: sonickteam2 on October 07, 2004, 03:29:00 pm
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Originally posted by vansmack:
  then how did you win 90+ games all season?  
Minnesota   92 70 .568  
   Chicago     83 79 .512  
   Cleveland   80 82 .494  
   Detroit     72 90 .444
   Kansas City 58 104 .358
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: Guiny on October 07, 2004, 03:32:00 pm
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
   
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Originally posted by keithstg:
 
 I'm glad that he was wrong. I think that the Twins are in serious trouble now.
i dont think so.  they win one out of two in Minnesota, and they get Santana back on the mound.
 
   that said.  i dont think (or want) the Twins can beat the Yankees anyway. but i dont think they are in any more trouble than they were before game one [/b]
My guess is Santana might pitch game four in Minnesota. Especially if they lose game 3. I highly doubt that they go to Lohse in game four. Not only has the rest of the league tee'd off on him, but the Yankees just did last week.
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: Venerable Bede on October 07, 2004, 03:51:00 pm
like i said, and i think you agreed. . .there was nothing wrong with having nathan START in his 3rd inning of work.  nevertheless, nathan should have been pulled earlier, and should not have faced rodriguez. . .you do things differently in the playoffs, how many times has torre used rivera for 3 innings, i wonder?
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Post by: Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer on October 07, 2004, 03:55:00 pm
so what do y'all think about Dale Earnhardt jr losing 25 chapionship points for saying "shit" on tv?
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: vansmack on October 07, 2004, 04:55:00 pm
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
  like i said, and i think you agreed. . .there was nothing wrong with having nathan START in his 3rd inning of work.  nevertheless, nathan should have been pulled earlier, and should not have faced rodriguez. . .you do things differently in the playoffs,
I wouldn't even have started the 12th with him.
 
 Mulholland or Romero should have started the 12th, or the 4th or 5th starter.  Your bullpen is deeper now.
 
 Then again, it's the A's fan telling me that you do things differently in the playoffs.  You might want to tell your GM that.
 
 
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
  how many times has torre used rivera for 3 innings, i wonder?
He wisely didn't last night.....but has too often this season, which is why he looks tired and blew his first post season save in NY last night.
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: vansmack on October 07, 2004, 04:57:00 pm
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  so what do y'all think about Dale Earnhardt jr losing 25 chapionship points for saying "shit" on tv?
I heard a great thing on the radio this morning.  An announcer said that the Dodgers were starting today's game down 3-0 because a reporter was doing a live interview with Milton Bradley and he cursed.  That made me laugh.
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: redsock on October 07, 2004, 05:05:00 pm
Yankess-Twins series is over. Yankees take one little thing and build on it. You might as well not even try to beat the Yankess in extra innings. It's a lose lose situation, unless you are the home team. Cause no matter how many you score in the top of the inning, they are always gonna come back and beat you in the bottom. Happens everytime, especially in the playoffs.
 
 I hate it -- and them -- but that's just the way it is. Jeter contineus to build on the the fact that he is my most hated person in all of the world, worse than George Bush. that thing he does at the plate, how I hate that fucker.
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: Guiny on October 07, 2004, 05:08:00 pm
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Originally posted by vansmack:
 
   
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
  how many times has torre used rivera for 3 innings, i wonder?
He wisely didn't last night.....but has too often this season, which is why he looks tired and blew his first post season save in NY last night. [/QB]
I never remembered Rivera pitching three innings in a game this year. If he did, It's news to me. Three days in a row maybe, but I highly doubt three innings in one game. Not with Flash Gordon there.
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Post by: sonickteam2 on October 07, 2004, 05:11:00 pm
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
 I never remembered Rivera pitching three innings in a game this year. If he did, It's news to me. Three days in a row maybe, but I highly doubt three innings in one game. Not with Flash Gordon there.
I have never seen him pitch 3 innings in a row either.
 
    hey rob, how good do those Red Sox look?
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Post by: Venerable Bede on October 07, 2004, 05:23:00 pm
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
   
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
 I never remembered Rivera pitching three innings in a game this year. If he did, It's news to me. Three days in a row maybe, but I highly doubt three innings in one game. Not with Flash Gordon there.
I have never seen him pitch 3 innings in a row either.
 [/b]
how quickly you forget. . alcs game 7 last year, rivera threw 3 innings to get the win.  
 
 i will admit that i highly doubt rivera ever threw 3 innings in any game during the regular season, but torre is not afraid to use him in the playoffs.
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Post by: Guiny on October 07, 2004, 05:25:00 pm
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
    hey rob, how good do those Red Sox look? [/QB]
They are looking scary good. They definetely look like they have more confidence than they did last year. If Pedro pitches like last night, that one, two punch will be hard to beat.
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Post by: sonickteam2 on October 07, 2004, 05:26:00 pm
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
   
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
   
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
 I never remembered Rivera pitching three innings in a game this year. If he did, It's news to me. Three days in a row maybe, but I highly doubt three innings in one game. Not with Flash Gordon there.
I have never seen him pitch 3 innings in a row either.
 [/b]
how quickly you forget. . alcs game 7 last year, rivera threw 3 innings to get the win.  
 
 i will admit that i highly doubt rivera ever threw 3 innings in any game during the regular season, but torre is not afraid to use him in the playoffs. [/b]
we were talking about this year. and in the regular season.  i know just how damn long he pitched for last year!!!!!   :roll:
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Post by: Guiny on October 07, 2004, 05:28:00 pm
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
 how quickly you forget. . alcs game 7 last year, rivera threw 3 innings to get the win.  
  [/QB]
Your probably correct, but I believe Vansmack said this year. I'll also have no problem with Torre using him for three innings in a seventh game, especially that one you mentioned cause we needed every inning of him to win.
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Post by: Venerable Bede on October 07, 2004, 05:34:00 pm
ok. . thanks to retrosheet.org, i am able to say that from 1997 on (because prior to that, he was set-up man for wetteland, and pitched 3 innings quite often) rivera has pitched more than 3 innings on precisely 1 occasion in that time (game 7 2003 ALCS).  now, he's pitched 2 innings or more on many occasions, including one 2 2/3 inning outing during the 2000 regular season.
 
 i will stand by overall view that if needed, i still would think that torre would send out rivera to at least start a 3rd inning of work, and that i find no problem with gardenhire letting nathan start a 3rd inning of work last night.
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Post by: sonickteam2 on October 07, 2004, 05:34:00 pm
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
  If Pedro pitches like last night, that one, two punch will be hard to beat.
its funny, i dont like ESPN's Page 2, but i read it yesterday cause my friend asked me to. and Bill Simmons' page, at the end was
 
 
  Strangest Fact: If God offered a pitching line of "7 IP, 8H, 3ER, 3R, 2BB, 5K" before Pedro's Game 2 start, every Sox fan would grab those numbers in a heartbeat. (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/041006)
 
 
  his numbers......7IP, 6H, 3R, 3ER, 2BB, 6K
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Post by: vansmack on October 07, 2004, 05:37:00 pm
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
  Your probably correct, but I believe Vansmack said this year. I'll also have no problem with Torre using him for three innings in a seventh game, especially that one you mentioned cause we needed every inning of him to win.
I wasn't clear, but I was referring to the fact that Rivera has been overused this year.  I wasn't referring to any time that he may or may not have been used for three innings, although, for the record he was used for 2 innings 5 times this year before last night.  It's just that as his age goes up, his number of innings hasn't gone down, especially in the last 5 years.  He appeared in 10 more games this year than last year.
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Post by: Guiny on October 07, 2004, 05:38:00 pm
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
   
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
  If Pedro pitches like last night, that one, two punch will be hard to beat.
its funny, i dont like ESPN's Page 2, but i read it yesterday cause my friend asked me to. and Bill Simmons' page, at the end was
 
 
  Strangest Fact: If God offered a pitching line of "7 IP, 8H, 3ER, 3R, 2BB, 5K" before Pedro's Game 2 start, every Sox fan would grab those numbers in a heartbeat. (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/041006)
 
 
  his numbers......7IP, 6H, 3R, 3ER, 2BB, 6K [/b]
Wow, did he also pick a winner for the WS? If so, It'll probably be right.
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: sonickteam2 on October 07, 2004, 05:47:00 pm
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
  Wow, did he also pick a winner for the WS? If so, It'll probably be right.
I dont think that was his prediction.  silly robby.  (and i am sure he's picking the Red Sox but wont tell anyone)
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Post by: vansmack on October 07, 2004, 05:52:00 pm
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
 Bill Simmons  
There's been a running debate between Sox fans about "Would it be tainted at all if you went to the World Series without going through the Yankees?" People seem pretty split.
 
 I love it.  It's been almost 100 years, they have the best chance they've had in 2 decades, and they still might not be satisfied.
 
 They are a sick bunch, Red Sox fans.
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Post by: sonickteam2 on October 07, 2004, 06:21:00 pm
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Originally posted by vansmack:
 
 I love it.  It's been almost 100 years, they have the best chance they've had in 2 decades, and they still might not be satisfied.
 
 They are a sick bunch, Red Sox fans.
lol. very true
 
  i think anyone over 40 has to just want the series. and if you havent at LEAST been through Bill Buckner, i can see how you wouldnt really get it.
 
   i want the series, and would like to go through NY, but if it doesnt happen, oh well.
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Post by: Guiny on October 07, 2004, 07:58:00 pm
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Originally posted by redsock:
 I hate it -- and them -- but that's just the way it is. Jeter contineus to build on the the fact that he is my most hated person in all of the world, worse than George Bush. that thing he does at the plate, how I hate that fucker. [/QB]
Are you sure your not confusing Jeter with Garciaparra who does that annoying thing at the plate with his wrists?
 
 I'm not sure why there's so many Jeter haters other than the fact he's one of the most consistent and clutch players in the game and usually does it against their favorite team. I'm sure Sonick will tell me why.
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Post by: redsock on October 07, 2004, 09:11:00 pm
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
   
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Originally posted by redsock:
 I hate it -- and them -- but that's just the way it is. Jeter contineus to build on the the fact that he is my most hated person in all of the world, worse than George Bush. that thing he does at the plate, how I hate that fucker. [/b]
Are you sure your not confusing Jeter with Garciaparra who does that annoying thing at the plate with his wrists?
 
 I'm not sure why there's so many Jeter haters other than the fact he's one of the most consistent and clutch players in the game and usually does it against their favorite team. I'm sure Sonick will tell me why. [/QB]
I'll tell you why, cause he embodies the very reason everyone hates the Yankees; he is an arrogant prick. He stands there at the plate, digging in the dirt, with his hand back calling time for the ump. Nomar may have done his routine, but at least he did it on his own time. Jeter and that fist pumping. Oakland gave Lowe shit last year for pumping his fist at the end of the series... shit, Jeter pumps his fist when he makes a routine play at SS. Jeter got lucky enough to play on a team that wins. He very easily could have been on a Montreal or a Pittsburg. Now he's still acting like he's the shit even though the yanks haven't won dick in 4 years. I hate that fucker.
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: Guiny on October 07, 2004, 09:15:00 pm
Wow, I think even Sonick woulda been nicer than that.   ;)
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: ratioci nation on October 07, 2004, 09:16:00 pm
I think Jeter used to be in a jam band.
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: Guiny on October 07, 2004, 09:19:00 pm
I also don't think he's anymore arrogant than Pedro who's skinny 160 lb ass stares at you when he tries to head hunt. Anyways we've all been down this road before so no big deal. It'll be a great series if it happens.
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: sonickteam2 on October 07, 2004, 11:59:00 pm
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
  I also don't think he's anymore arrogant than Pedro who's skinny 160 lb ass stares at you when he tries to head hunt. Anyways we've all been down this road before so no big deal. It'll be a great series if it happens.
me, you, redsock....next weekend pal.....oh, its on.
 
 and Jeter is just a pretty boy.
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: keithstg on October 08, 2004, 08:17:00 am
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  so what do y'all think about Dale Earnhardt jr losing 25 chapionship points for saying "shit" on tv?
Typical redneck nonsense.
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: keithstg on October 08, 2004, 08:26:00 am
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Originally posted by redsock:
 [QB [/QB]
I'll tell you why, cause he embodies the very reason everyone hates the Yankees; he is an arrogant prick. He stands there at the plate, digging in the dirt, with his hand back calling time for the ump. Nomar may have done his routine, but at least he did it on his own time. Jeter and that fist pumping. Oakland gave Lowe shit last year for pumping his fist at the end of the series... shit, Jeter pumps his fist when he makes a routine play at SS. Jeter got lucky enough to play on a team that wins. He very easily could have been on a Montreal or a Pittsburg. Now he's still acting like he's the shit even though the yanks haven't won dick in 4 years. I hate that fucker. [/QB][/QUOTE]
 
 First of all, 4 years ago is better than 86 years ago, right? And in the past four years the Yankees have won the AL twice.
 
 Regarding Jeter, he hustles every play of every game, and plays to win. Very few players in baseball today have his heart and hustle (Nomar is a perfect example). I can think only think of a few, Eckstein and Schilling come immediately to mind. Hate Jeter all you want, but respect the talent and the drive.
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: sonickteam2 on October 08, 2004, 08:52:00 am
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Originally posted by keithstg:
 
 First of all, 4 years ago is better than 86 years ago, right? And in the past four years the Yankees have won the AL twice.
 
Yankees fans are such history buffs.  i mean really, who cares what even happened last year.  its over.  26 world Series doesnt mean shit, not this week, not next week. And i already know, that when they lose to the Red Sox (eventually, they will) they will say, "oh wow, 26-1, we are still kicking your ass" only our asses wont be the sore ones.  
 
    This year, we have a better team....and next week we'll have the chance to prove it.
 
    respect the talent and the drive?  blah blah blah....Jeter is a pretty boy bitch and I would take Cabrera anyday.  :D
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: keithstg on October 08, 2004, 09:00:00 am
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
   
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Originally posted by keithstg:
 
 First of all, 4 years ago is better than 86 years ago, right? And in the past four years the Yankees have won the AL twice.
 
Yankees fans are such history buffs.  i mean really, who cares what even happened last year.  its over.  26 world Series doesnt mean shit, not this week, not next week. And i already know, that when they lose to the Red Sox (eventually, they will) they will say, "oh wow, 26-1, we are still kicking your ass" only our asses wont be the sore ones.  
 
    This year, we have a better team....and next week we'll have the chance to prove it.
 
    respect the talent and the drive?  blah blah blah....Jeter is a pretty boy bitch and I would take Cabrera anyday.   :D  [/b]
Baseball fans are history buffs. This is not exclusive to Yankees fans. In fact, I bet I know more about Red Sox history than you do. 26 titles does mean something - so do the Red Sox's 5. The fact that you even know how many titles that the Yanks have won shows that WS titles matter.
 
 You can have Cabrera. Just remember that you'd rather have him when Jeter is in Cooperstown. Actually, Cabrera would be welcome to come to NY and play second if he can make the team.   :p  
 
 Won't it be a bit empty for you when the Red Sox do win a world series, to go into the following opening day knowing that "what happened last year doesn't mean $%^&"?
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: sonickteam2 on October 08, 2004, 09:16:00 am
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Originally posted by keithstg:
  Baseball fans are history buffs. This is not exclusive to Yankees fans. In fact, I bet I know more about Red Sox history than you do. 26 titles does mean something - so do the Red Sox's 5. The fact that you even know how many titles that the Yanks have won shows that WS titles matter.
 
 You can have Cabrera. Just remember that you'd rather have him when Jeter is in Cooperstown. Actually, Cabrera would be welcome to come to NY and play second if he can make the team.    :p  
 
 Won't it be a bit empty for you when the Red Sox do win a world series, to go into the following opening day knowing that "what happened last year doesn't mean $%^&"?
i know 26 WS titles because of annoying yankees fans actually.
 
   and why would i care about Jeter once he's in Cooperstown?  he wont even be playing anymore.
 
   ok, point is, history is fine and dandy but when we're talking about whos the better team...lets leave the stats from before WW2 out of it.
 
   and if the Sox win the Series...I wont be watching baseball for a couple years....takes too much out of me!!!
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: keithstg on October 08, 2004, 09:25:00 am
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
    ok, point is, history is fine and dandy but when we're talking about whos the better team...lets leave the stats from before WW2 out of it.
 
   and if the Sox win the Series...I wont be watching baseball for a couple years....takes too much out of me!!!
Post WW2, the Yankees have won 16 World Series. There's no "talking" about who is the better team. It's not debateable.
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: sonickteam2 on October 08, 2004, 09:31:00 am
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Originally posted by keithstg:
   
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
    ok, point is, history is fine and dandy but when we're talking about whos the better team...lets leave the stats from before WW2 out of it.
 
   and if the Sox win the Series...I wont be watching baseball for a couple years....takes too much out of me!!!
Post WW2, the Yankees have won 16 World Series. There's no "talking" about who is the better team. It's not debateable. [/b]
no, thats who WAS the better team.
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: keithstg on October 08, 2004, 09:35:00 am
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
   
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Originally posted by keithstg:
     
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
    ok, point is, history is fine and dandy but when we're talking about whos the better team...lets leave the stats from before WW2 out of it.
 
   and if the Sox win the Series...I wont be watching baseball for a couple years....takes too much out of me!!!
Post WW2, the Yankees have won 16 World Series. There's no "talking" about who is the better team. It's not debateable. [/b]
no, thats who WAS the better team. [/b]
Seems like you're not sure what time period you want to talk about. I'm not the one who wanted to leave the stats before WWII out of it. The Yankees won the AL East this year (just like in the six years prior), as you know.
 
 Enough of this. How about another implosion by Jeff Weaver and Jim Tracy's management...
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: sonickteam2 on October 08, 2004, 09:38:00 am
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Originally posted by keithstg:
  Seems like you're not sure what time period you want to talk about. I'm not the one who wanted to leave the stats before WWII out of it. The Yankees won the AL East this year (just like in the six years prior), as you know.
 
I am talking about NOW. The WWII thing was just a reference point that is far back in the past.  i wasnt really referring to everything post 1944.
 
   did you really think thats what i meant?
 
  does winning all those World Serier really distort your perception like that?
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: Guiny on October 08, 2004, 09:52:00 am
I don't care what anyone says, Roger Clemens at 42 is still GOD.
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: sonickteam2 on October 08, 2004, 09:57:00 am
and i am not sure why we're pitching Bronson Arroyo today.
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Post by: Venerable Bede on October 08, 2004, 10:19:00 am
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Originally posted by redsock:
 
 Oakland gave Lowe shit last year for pumping his fist at the end of the series...  
well, i'd advise you look at where the pumping his fist started and ended. . .oh, and the fact that he did it straight at the a's dugout, with a hip thrust at the a's dugout to boot.  i think that's why the a's and its fans gave lowe alot of shit.  if lowe wants people to look at his crotch, i'd tell him to do that in san francisco.
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: sonickteam2 on October 08, 2004, 10:20:00 am
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
   i think that's why the a's and its fans gave lowe alot of shit.
i thought Oakland was just where the poor gay people lived?
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Post by: Venerable Bede on October 08, 2004, 10:21:00 am
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
   
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
   i think that's why the a's and its fans gave lowe alot of shit.
i thought Oakland was just where the poor gay people lived? [/b]
no, oakland is where the poor black people live. . and jerry brown.
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: keithstg on October 08, 2004, 10:42:00 am
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
   
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Originally posted by keithstg:
  Seems like you're not sure what time period you want to talk about. I'm not the one who wanted to leave the stats before WWII out of it. The Yankees won the AL East this year (just like in the six years prior), as you know.
 
I am talking about NOW. The WWII thing was just a reference point that is far back in the past.  i wasnt really referring to everything post 1944.
 
   did you really think thats what i meant?
 
  does winning all those World Serier really distort your perception like that? [/b]
My perception is fine. Does losing all those games distort yours? I'm not going to try and figure out what you meant, I'm just going to answer your question as written.
 
 We can look at the entire past, up until last week, and the same is true for the Yankees / Red Sox.
 
 Arroyo is starting in game three because with a 2-0 lead, it's the smart play, as Wakefield can  be used in long relief if Arroyo (who has been consistent of late) gets in trouble, or if Schilling's foot keeps him out of a game 4.
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Post by: sonickteam2 on October 08, 2004, 10:54:00 am
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Originally posted by keithstg:
   I'm just going to answer your question as written.
 
 
so much for intelligence.
 
   i dont think Schilling starts game 4.  I dont think there should be a game 4, but i wouldn't start Schilling unless we go back to Anaheim.
 
   Arroyo has been playing well ever since Allen Iverson's been doing his hair.
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Post by: keithstg on October 08, 2004, 11:06:00 am
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
   
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Originally posted by keithstg:
   I'm just going to answer your question as written.
 
 
so much for intelligence.
 
   i dont think Schilling starts game 4.  I dont think there should be a game 4, but i wouldn't start Schilling unless we go back to Anaheim.
 
   Arroyo has been playing well ever since Allen Iverson's been doing his hair. [/b]
Please.
 
 If Schilling is going to start any game, it would be game 4, because he could then start the first game of the ALCS. Wakefield could spell Schilling in long relief if the Sox put the Angels away early.
 
 As for Arroyo, I don't know what you consider playing well, but he's allowed between 3-5 runs a game in his last five starts, excepting one very good outing on 8/26, which are decent numbers.
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: sonickteam2 on October 08, 2004, 11:40:00 am
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Originally posted by keithstg:
  Please.
 
 If Schilling is going to start any game, it would be game 4, because he could then start the first game of the ALCS.
Schilling is not going to start Tuesday, Saturday, Tuesday.  we all know that. Saving Schilling for Game 5 is what we should do. Why pitch Schilling in Game 4? its not a must win game, we're at home and if we win, he wont be able to go on 2 days rest. If we save Schilling for 5, and then we win one in Fenway, he's only pitched once and he COULD go 1-4-7. but not if we use him twice in the ALDS.
 
   And 3-5 runs isn't bad for Arroyo. especially with the offense Boston has, and its a home game.
 
   I know he's not John Lieber, but hes the 3rd or 4th best we have!
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Post by: keithstg on October 08, 2004, 12:18:00 pm
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
   
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Originally posted by keithstg:
  Please.
 
 If Schilling is going to start any game, it would be game 4, because he could then start the first game of the ALCS.
Schilling is not going to start Tuesday, Saturday, Tuesday.  we all know that. Saving Schilling for Game 5 is what we should do. Why pitch Schilling in Game 4? its not a must win game, we're at home and if we win, he wont be able to go on 2 days rest. If we save Schilling for 5, and then we win one in Fenway, he's only pitched once and he COULD go 1-4-7. but not if we use him twice in the ALDS.
 
   And 3-5 runs isn't bad for Arroyo. especially with the offense Boston has, and its a home game.
 
   I know he's not John Lieber, but hes the 3rd or 4th best we have! [/b]
I think that you are probably right regarding Schilling. Hadn't thought about it from the perspective of a game 4 not being a must win, but does Wakefield then pitch 4? I guess he has to.
 
 Call me crazy, but I would rather have Lieber than Arroyo...
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: Guiny on October 08, 2004, 12:36:00 pm
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Originally posted by keithstg:
 Call me crazy, but I would rather have Lieber than Arroyo... [/QB]
I'd rather have Pettitte.   :(
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: Venerable Bede on October 08, 2004, 12:42:00 pm
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
   
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Originally posted by keithstg:
 Call me crazy, but I would rather have Lieber than Arroyo... [/b]
I'd rather have Pettitte.    :(  [/QB]
not too keen on three-finger brown going tonight, eh?
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: vansmack on October 08, 2004, 01:09:00 pm
I hate playing against Jeter, but that's not the same as saying that I hate Jeter.  There's probably 30 MLB teams that would take Jeter off the Ynakees hands if he were available, and the one that wouldn't hasn't won a World Series in over 80 years for reasons just like this.  
 
 Thankfully, their new GM doesn't make the same mistakes previous GMs would do, concerning himself with what the fans would want, and has made the deals top make the team a better playoff team.
 
 Only a Red Sox fan could hate some one for playing hard every play.  Then again, you put Eckstein on waivers...
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Post by: sonickteam2 on October 08, 2004, 01:19:00 pm
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Originally posted by vansmack:
 
 Only a Red Sox fan could hate some one for playing hard every play.  Then again, you put Eckstein on waivers...
there are enough short people in Boston.
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: vansmack on October 08, 2004, 01:25:00 pm
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
  Yankees fans are such history buffs.  i mean really, who cares what even happened last year.  its over.  
Believe me, if more Red Sox fans could forget about the history of the Sox and play for the moment, there would be a lot less negativity surrounding the team, the ball park, the fans, the ex-players....it was a Red Sox fan that coined "the Curse" - not a Yankees fan.
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Post by: keithstg on October 08, 2004, 01:25:00 pm
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Originally posted by vansmack:
  I hate playing against Jeter, but that's not the same as saying that I hate Jeter.  There's probably 30 MLB teams that would take Jeter off the Ynakees hands if he were available, and the one that wouldn't hasn't won a World Series in over 80 years for reasons just like this.  
 
 Thankfully, their new GM doesn't make the same mistakes previous GMs would do, concerning himself with what the fans would want, and has made the deals top make the team a better playoff team.
 
 Only a Red Sox fan could hate some one for playing hard every play.  Then again, you put Eckstein on waivers...
Excellent synopsis of my earlier point. Never was this made more clear than in the last series between the Yanks and the Sox that Nomar played in...
 Theo is a good GM, I have to say.
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: sonickteam2 on October 08, 2004, 04:43:00 pm
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Originally posted by keithstg:
 
 As for Arroyo, I don't know what you consider playing well, but he's allowed between 3-5 runs a game in his last five starts, excepting one very good outing on 8/26, which are decent numbers.
Arroyo is 5-0 in his last nine starts, the Red Sox are 9-0 in those starts.  call it what you want (run support) but I'll take a 9-0 record anyday!
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: keithstg on October 08, 2004, 04:58:00 pm
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
   
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Originally posted by keithstg:
 
 As for Arroyo, I don't know what you consider playing well, but he's allowed between 3-5 runs a game in his last five starts, excepting one very good outing on 8/26, which are decent numbers.
Arroyo is 5-0 in his last nine starts, the Red Sox are 9-0 in those starts.  call it what you want (run support) but I'll take a 9-0 record anyday! [/b]
This is splitting hairs, but allowing between 3-5 runs a start isn't going make anyone's job easier, especially against a tough opponent in the playoffs. He looks good as of now, though.
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: vansmack on October 08, 2004, 05:01:00 pm
Is Home Plate ump Runge going to ask for an appeal any time soon on check swings for the Angels, or is he just going to do it for Boston hitters?  What did Troy Glaus ever do to the umps?
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Post by: sonickteam2 on October 08, 2004, 05:18:00 pm
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Originally posted by vansmack:
  Is Home Plate ump Runge going to ask for an appeal any time soon on check swings for the Angels, or is he just going to do it for Boston hitters?  What did Troy Glaus ever do to the umps?
we want our Ted Williams autograph baseball back.
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Post by: vansmack on October 08, 2004, 05:29:00 pm
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   What did Troy Glaus ever do to the umps?
Paying off the umps may backfire.  Now you've pissed him off.  Forget Lansdowne, that may be on the interstate....
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Post by: vansmack on October 08, 2004, 05:40:00 pm
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
  we want our Ted Williams autograph baseball back.
Funny story about that.  My only complaint about The MLB package on DirecTV is that with Anaheim's season in a virtual unknown back in December when they made the TV deals, most of Anaheims games were on local TV, and the MLB package picks up only cable games on FSN, Comcast etc.  So while we had the Angels often, they were on the other teams broadcast.  So we heard the same stories over and over again about Erstad being a punter at Nebraska, Vlad coming over, Guillen's breakout year, Figgins stepping up for the injured so and so.....
 
 One of the stories heard often was DaVanons dad being an MLB player and the Ted Williams ball.  Well Smackette's favorite movie is "Sandlot" and kept calling it the Babe Ruth ball and called DaVanon "the kid in Sandlot" all season long.  Gotta love her.
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: Venerable Bede on October 08, 2004, 07:01:00 pm
that was a mighty fine grand slam there. . .
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Post by: vansmack on October 08, 2004, 07:08:00 pm
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
  that was a mighty fine grand slam there. . .
If I were a SportsCenter announcer, my catch phrase for Vladdy would be "And the lord said, rise up and I will take you to the promise land"
 
 That's what MVP's do.
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: vansmack on October 08, 2004, 08:27:00 pm
Congrat's Red Sox fans.  At least we put up a fight for the last few innings.  Sorry we couldn't make a better series of it, but you'll take the rest I'm sure.
 
 Good luck the rest of the way.
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: ChampionshipVinyl on October 08, 2004, 11:23:00 pm
I guess Schilling will now be starting game 1 against the Yankees.
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Post by: ratioci nation on October 10, 2004, 11:25:00 pm
i always just thought of Dodgers fans as just not caring, but they have shown themselves to be pretty classless by cheering whenever Cardinal players appear to be injured
 
 at least the team has some class
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: sonickteam2 on October 11, 2004, 11:06:00 am
and now, i think.....
 
  did we even need to play 162 games this year?
 
 tomorrow night, its on.
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: ratioci nation on October 11, 2004, 11:14:00 am
Leave it to a Canadian to bring weird new civility to baseball.  I just read that the awkward hand shaking and hugs between the Dodgers and Cardinals after the series was Larry Walker's idea and Jim Tracy and Tony LaRussa agreed to it before the series.
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Post by: sonickteam2 on October 11, 2004, 11:23:00 am
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  Leave it to a Canadian to bring weird new civility to baseball.
be nice, its Canadian Thanksgiving today.  :)
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Post by: ratioci nation on October 11, 2004, 11:31:00 am
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
  be nice, its Canadian Thanksgiving today.   :)  
oh cool, I can't wait for Columbus Day celebrations tonight
Title: Re: How the west was won....
Post by: Guiny on October 11, 2004, 12:38:00 pm
Well I'm looking more forward to game 2, I never like anyone's chances when Schilling is pitching.
 
 Happy Canadian Thanksgiving, ya turkey!!!!!!!!!!!