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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: cool_beanies on July 21, 2004, 12:12:00 pm
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I was upstairs. I wore earplugs. My ears are still ringing and I'm freakin. Anyone else experiencing the same thing?
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My ears always ring just a tad. I bought good earplugs, but have yet to remember to bring them to a show....urgh. I was up in the Balcony and didn't find it insanely loud, though the last song seemed to jump out...
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I keep my earplugs on top of my stack of tickets. That way I never forget them. Well...almost never.
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Maybe I'm getting old...but when you have to wear earplugs at a show, isn't that a sign it's just way too friggin loud? When a band plays too loud I always suspect it's to cover up lack of talent. Not digging at whoever you saw, because I have no clue who it is, but that's always seemed to be the case at shows I was at, even before I turned into an old fart.
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I was in the balcony as well - but straight in front of the band. Wall of tooth filling rattling sound (I was there for all three shows). You say your ears always ring a tad - what's worrying me is how long it's lasting - it's never lasted this long. Has yours?
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it was fairly loud - at the start I was in front of the speakers on the right hand side so my right ear was hurting a little
then I moved more into the middle and was fine
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Originally posted by cool_beanies:
I was in the balcony as well - but straight in front of the band. Wall of tooth filling rattling sound (I was there for all three shows). You say your ears always ring a tad - what's worrying me is how long it's lasting - it's never lasted this long. Has yours?
I saw a Buzzcocks show at the old 9:30 Club and my ears rang, loudly, for over a week. I was sure I'd done it, crossed the line, caused damage that could never be repaired, but it did go away.
Skeeter -- good idea on the plugs. I thought hanging them up with my keys would work, but no dice!
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I was standing right in front of the large speakers on Nicholaus' side for the entire night. I wore my earplugs and I have absolutely no ringing.
Fuck-a-bunch-of "if you're wearing earplugs, you're old" bullshit. Please. I want to enjoy the music and wearing plugs to each and every show means I'll be able to do so in the future. As last night's band (the Hives) and others have proven, bands can be loud and good simultaneously.
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I had that ringing once, it will go away by tomorrow. It helps to have a g-friend in a band who nags you every time you go to a show. Plus, i now have a pair of earplugs virtually everywhere, my car, every satchel or bag i might have with me, at griflfriends house. Makes it easier and also serves as a reminder.
And it was very loud last night. Anyone who doesn't wear earplugs is stupid honestly. I'll have no sympathy for you when you're 55 and can't hear shit. And it will happen.
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My ears ring 24/7. I've just gotten used to it after all these years. The only time I really notice is at night, that why I have to sleep with a fan running, to help drain out some of it.
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It's not the ringing in my ears that bothers me so much, it's the voices in my head that give me trouble.
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Ok this is encouraging to hear - that some of you have experienced it and it did go away eventually. I'll keep my fingers crossed. And to the person with tinnitus, the ringing 24/7 - 1) I am so sorry and 2) did you have a lot of these "ringing for a few days" episodes or did it just happen after one very loud show?
(I'm sorry to keep asking whiny questions but really people I will freak if I got permanent tinnitus from my first ever Hives concert - which I must add, was absolutely excellent. I don't know that it had to be that loud but it was really good...)
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Originally posted by Random Citizen:
Fuck-a-bunch-of "if you're wearing earplugs, you're old" bullshit. Please. I want to enjoy the music and wearing plugs to each and every show means I'll be able to do so in the future.
That's my attitude these days. I put in 20+ years of shows without them, now I'm starting to see the effects. It's not really about things being too loud for me as much as it's about trying to not cause any further damage. Even the quieter shows can cause problems when you see as many shows as a lot of us do.
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Don't some of you show regulars worry about hearing loss later in life?
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Yeah my ears were ringing last night but suprisingly, it's stopped.
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no.........
i'm looking forwrd top being one of those deaf old bastards that bugs the hell out of everyone with their constant.............eh? what? speak up..............
in fact i'll probably just do that for fun hearing loss or not............
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It's hip to be deaf.....evidently.
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Ok all thanks for your posts and replies - it was somewhat encouraging. Let's hope the doctor agrees it's not permanent damage. And Bollocks, no it's not hip to be deaf - it's sadly a risk we all take with our hearing to enjoy live music. I read about a lawsuit against Smashing Pumpkins for ridiculous amounts of decibels - until we the fans start pressuring them to turn it down some nothing is going to change, so we might as well take all the precautions we can in the meantime...
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Originally posted by poorlulu:
no.........
i'm looking forwrd top being one of those deaf old bastards that bugs the hell out of everyone with their constant.............eh? what? speak up..............
What's your definition of old? Because tinnitus usually becomes apparent in the late 30s-40s if you are exposed to loud sounds on a regular basis, sometimes earlier than that.
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"Maybe I'm getting old...but when you have to wear earplugs at a show, isn't that a sign it's just way too friggin loud?"
Maybe I'm not old enough, but when you have to bring earplugs to wear at every show(stage security excepted), isn't that a sign that you're too damn old for the scene altogether ? I don't mean to be mean, and I'm absolutely certain I've touched a nerve here, but shit, people...WOW
-and of course it's hip to be deaf...just make sure the music don't turn you impotent
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What did Perry Farrell say? Idiots Rule!
Originally posted by JohnnyBlades:
"Maybe I'm getting old...but when you have to wear earplugs at a show, isn't that a sign it's just way too friggin loud?"
Maybe I'm not old enough, but when you have to bring earplugs to wear at every show(stage security excepted), isn't that a sign that you're too damn old for the scene altogether ? I don't mean to be mean, and I'm absolutely certain I've touched a nerve here, but shit, people...WOW
-and of course it's hip to be deaf...just make sure the music don't turn you impotent
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Originally posted by JohnnyBlades:
Maybe I'm not old enough, but when you have to bring earplugs to wear at every show(stage security excepted), isn't that a sign that you're too damn old for the scene altogether ?
"See the idiot walk...see the idiot talk..."
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
It's not the ringing in my ears that bothers me so much, it's the voices in my head that give me trouble.
hehe
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Originally posted by JohnnyBlades:
"Maybe I'm getting old...but when you have to wear earplugs at a show, isn't that a sign it's just way too friggin loud?"
Maybe I'm not old enough, but when you have to bring earplugs to wear at every show(stage security excepted), isn't that a sign that you're too damn old for the scene altogether ? I don't mean to be mean, and I'm absolutely certain I've touched a nerve here, but shit, people...WOW
-and of course it's hip to be deaf...just make sure the music don't turn you impotent
pretty much...........unless you are at a mogwai show..........that shit is painful...........
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The big damage you get to ears is from repeated days of loud music. So a show one night probably wont do that much harm. But the next day you should keep the ipod volume a bit lower. I bet portable music devices are more of a threat to hearing than shows because they are used so many more hours a week.
If you think about it you are probably not that likely to go deaf from club shows. I mean, members of bands who toured for years and years are not all deaf, are they? What was that? Speak up!
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Originally posted by mark e smith:
I mean, members of bands who toured for years and years are not all deaf, are they? What was that? Speak up!
Dunno ask Pete Townsend....but you may have to speak up!
I've never worn earplugs at a concert.....racing event yes, but not a concert. If a band was just too loud I left, which is only maybe once or twice. The one exception was when Big Band Theory supported The Waterboys....I think it was wishful thinking that I went deaf while that shit was playing though....I couldn't leave though because I would've missed the Waterboys, so we just sat in the lobby till the racket stopped.
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Originally posted by Bollocks:
Dunno ask Pete Townsend....but you may have to speak up!
He went deaf because he was too close to a pyrotechnic. It exploded about a foot away from him. He always says his hearing was fine before that. Which fits as the other members of that band seem to be fine.
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I'm already slightly hearing impaired from ear problems as a youth. The ringing at shows is inevitably always in the good ear...
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Originally posted by JohnnyBlades:
Maybe I'm not old enough, but when you have to bring earplugs to wear at every show(stage security excepted), isn't that a sign that you're too damn old for the scene altogether ?
with almost ten years of work in the industry, plus years of concertgoing before that, i have probably at least a couple thousand shows under my belt. i would be deaf right now if i didn't wear earplugs all the time. i'm about to turn 28, and i have excellent hearing. i wouldn't have it any other way. it's a good thing i'm not part of any scene, because i surely wouldn't want to be seen as too old for it because i can still hear.
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Originally posted by thatguy:
i would be deaf right now if i didn't wear earplugs all the time.
Scientifically speaking, you cannot prove that. You might have been just fine.
I dont think the casual concert goer needs to protect themselves nearly as much as a concert professional. Are there people who have worked at the club who didnt use hearing protection and their hearing suffered as a result? And did they sue the club?
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Originally posted by mark e smith:
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He went deaf because he was too close to a pyrotechnic. It exploded about a foot away from him. He always says his hearing was fine before that. Which fits as the other members of that band seem to be fine. [/QB]
Entwistle isn't doing too well these days I hear.
Keith Moon has been under the weather for years.
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Originally posted by Bollocks:
Entwistle isn't doing too well these days I hear.
Keith Moon has been under the weather for years.
Very good. I dont think they or the survivors were/are deaf.
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I keep earplugs with me as well (car, work, home, purse, and home on top of tickets, etc.). I had some ear pain over a year ago, from not wearing plugs at a show, and some guy yelled in my ear after the show. The doc said my ears were just sensitive to begin with and the yell exacerbated the problem. There are a zillion of nerves running from your ear, so I had some pain in my jaw and down my neck. Also had the ringing and loud noises made my ears ache - kids screaming & cell phones are the worst. I went to the doc, hearing fine. Just sensitive. They check your ears for fluid. They suggest Claritin (or similar product) to reduce the fluid in your ear. Stay away from alcohol, salt and caffeine. You can go get the fluid (two types of fluid and they can't see one) tested further if you are concerned. I suggest going to the doc just as a pre-caution. In fact, I'm going to schedule an appt. soon. The pain, ringing, cotton in the ear feeling does go away, but you need to rest them by avoiding loud sounds, reducing the fluid, or wear earplugs.
And yes, last night, it was (too) LOUD. Even the music between sets.
The plugs I got from the club weren't as good as mine, and I found some of my brand in the bottom of my purse. At CVS, earplugs are sold w/ a little plastic case you can stick about 4 into. I'm an old fart.
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Originally posted by Sugartastic Tee Silk:
. Stay away from alcohol, salt and caffeine. .
the horror.....................
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Originally posted by mark e smith:
Originally posted by Sugartastic Tee Silk:
. Stay away from alcohol, salt and caffeine. .
the horror..................... [/b]
Oh yeah and chocolate too!
I know it is horrific - part of why I didn't go for the further test - none of those things for a week prior to the exam!
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I've been wearing earplugs religiously since 1984, when I saw Black Flag at the Wilson Center and my ears rang for 3 days afterwards. It's just a fact that rock & roll is often loud and a lot of places that have rock shows are not designed with acoustics in mind, which can make the loudness even worse. If you value your hearing, wear earplugs. If you don't care then don't wear 'em.
Last night The Hives were loud, but nowhere close to the loudest bands we've had in here, like Motorhead, Mogwai, and Slayer, to mention just a few.
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Originally posted by Sugartastic Tee Silk:
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Oh yeah and chocolate too!
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I draw the line at chocolate....I'd rather turn deaf and blind!!
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Get a set of these, they aren't too expensive and shows still sound decent when you wear them.
http://www.etymotic.com/ephp/er20.asp (http://www.etymotic.com/ephp/er20.asp)
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That's what I've got. Love 'em.
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my ears are just fine and I was on the balcony right by a speaker. no ringing in them, but they do feel like I stuff 50 cotton balls in them.
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Originally posted by Skeeter:
That's what I've got. Love 'em.
Thanks for posting this. I need a pair other than the foam. My left ear feels like it has cotton in it today. Funny, my mom sent me an article a couple of weeks ago regarding this type of high fidelity earplugs. The article stated they are better than foam.
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Originally posted by mark e smith:
Originally posted by Sugartastic Tee Silk:
. Stay away from alcohol, salt and caffeine. .
the horror..................... [/b]
Hell, just lock yourself up in the house and watch Lifetime... :D
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Originally posted by Mongo:
Get a set of these, they aren't too expensive and shows still sound decent when you wear them.
http://www.etymotic.com/ephp/er20.asp (http://www.etymotic.com/ephp/er20.asp)
That's what I got too, now I have to REMEMBER THEM. (the foamies will not do; I hate the way they feel and make the music sound...I always take 'em out after a couple songs).
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Originally posted by Bagalicious Tangster:
Originally posted by Mongo:
Get a set of these, they aren't too expensive and shows still sound decent when you wear them.
http://www.etymotic.com/ephp/er20.asp (http://www.etymotic.com/ephp/er20.asp)
That's what I got too, now I have to REMEMBER THEM. (the foamies will not do; I hate the way they feel and make the music sound...I always take 'em out after a couple songs). [/b]
Yeah, I always seem to forget them too unless I have the case attached to my keychain. They're definitely better than anything else out there (unless you want to have something custom made, F that).
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Last night was pretty loud (Sahara Hotnights seemed louder to me, because of the shrill shrieking), and I'll agree that the last Motorhead show was up there too. Have seen Mogwai too, and I remember that one being pretty loud.
However, the only show I've ever seen where my ears hurt badly the next day (and thus far, I've never used ear plugs) was the last Soundtrack of Our Lives show. I thought my ears were going to start bleeding during the show, and they were ringing for days afterward. A Monster Magnet show at the old club was also really painful.
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Originally posted by mark e smith:
Scientifically speaking, you cannot prove that. You might have been just fine.
I dont think the casual concert goer needs to protect themselves nearly as much as a concert professional. Are there people who have worked at the club who didnt use hearing protection and their hearing suffered as a result? And did they sue the club?
no lawsuits that i know of, and no scientific proof, but plenty of anecdotal evidence.
i started wearing plugs because i noticed that i was having trouble hearing certain sounds in certain situations, and that my ears started to hurt more and more when exposed to loud concerts. this was before i started working in the biz.
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WHAT?!?!?!?!
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Ok so this is the official result from going to see the doctor yesterday: I have lost hearing in in the upper ranges (high notes) in my left ear. Yes it was caused by being there through all three shows on Tuesday night. I'm not that frequent of a concert goer (and by this I mean the first live show I saw since an Amnesty concert in the 80's was the HSF this year). I don't listen to loud music. I don't work in a noisy environment. I don't have overly sensitive ears. I am relieved to report that the ringing has definitely faded - it's still there but much fainter and/or I have started getting used to it. It was driving me berserk yesterday morning. This is the link to the story on the guy who sued Smashing Pumpkins: http://homepages.kdsi.net/~sherman/hearingloss.htm (http://homepages.kdsi.net/~sherman/hearingloss.htm)
I heard from another person who attended and did not have earplugs and was in the back and left with her ears hurting and feeling heavy. According to these links she probably has damage: http://www.portlandtribune.com/archold.cgi?id=13192 (http://www.portlandtribune.com/archold.cgi?id=13192)
http://www.goaskalice.columbia.edu/0939.html (http://www.goaskalice.columbia.edu/0939.html)
People you're insane if you think this is something that only afflict older people or that it doesn't affect musicians as much as you think (just check out the founder of hearnet.com). According to the statistics (see second to last link) little kids are 400 times deafer than they used to be. The hearing aid industry will definitely be a solid growth industry to invest in.
And thanks for the link on the plugs! I think I may spring for custom made after this. I'm not going to stop seeing shows but I am damn well going to arm myself the best that I can.
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you people cannot handle the power of the Swedish rock. You want the rock, but you CANT HANDLE THE ROCK!
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Originally posted by cool_beanies:
Ok so this is the official result from going to see the doctor yesterday: I have lost hearing in in the upper ranges (high notes) in my left ear. Yes it was caused by being there through all three shows on Tuesday night.
2 points.....
So will your hearing recover?
You cannot prove it was due to the show, well not unless you had your hearing tested immediately before the show.
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It took them a whole 2 years to come back to town. I enjoyed them so much i just hope they don't wait that long to come around again.
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Originally posted by pepper*sans*salt:
It took them a whole 2 years to come back to town. I enjoyed them so much i just hope they don't wait that long to come around again.
I agree. They should do a second leg of this tour. That way, if another record label battle happens, the fans will still be happy. :)
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wow cool_beanies, sorry to hear. hope your ears get better. I ordered my new plugs yesterday.
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It takes 24 to 48 hours for your ears to recover from a "temporary threshold shift". So an exam done within 24 hours of the concert doesn't tell you a whole lot.
Originally posted by cool_beanies:
Ok so this is the official result from going to see the doctor yesterday: I have lost hearing in in the upper ranges (high notes) in my left ear.
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
It takes 24 to 48 hours for your ears to recover from a "temporary threshold shift". So an exam done within 24 hours of the concert doesn't tell you a whole lot.
Ding ding DING.
Shit! I hope those dings were not too loud, sorry!
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Honestly I didnt really think it was that loud. I was upstairs along the railing straight out from the bass player. Like many of us I've subjected myself to so much loud music over the years between show and playing in bands for most of my life since I was 14 or 15.
Some of the loudest shows I ever saw were:
Flaming Lips @ fletchers 2 or 3 years ago
Metallica in Richmond on the "and justice for all" tour
Motorhead everytime I see them
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Mark, you are such a compassionate individual. When you beat up preschoolers do you tell them that they'll never be able to prove you did it?
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Originally posted by mark e smith:
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
It takes 24 to 48 hours for your ears to recover from a "temporary threshold shift". So an exam done within 24 hours of the concert doesn't tell you a whole lot.
Ding ding DING.
Shit! I hope those dings were not too loud, sorry! [/b]
Seriously you guys are pathetic, arguing semantics. Loud noises hurt your ears! End of story. Why are we even arguing any of this, so markie can feel better about not wearing ear-plugs? I don't really care what you do or don't do to protect your ears, I know for a fact my ears feel better after a show if I wear earplugs. Jeez, poor beans has ear damage and you're still arguing he (or she) has no proof it came from the concert. Do you always feel you have to be right, and get the last word?
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It has nothing to do with "semantics" or making Markie feel better. It has to do with whether Beans should be concerned about permanent hearing loss. <24 hours is too soon to tell.
Noise exposure and intense sounds can cause two main types of hearing loss, namely temporary threshold shift and permanent threshold shift.
Temporary threshold shift is mostly experienced as a temporary dullness in your hearing after exposure to loud noises. Your hearing will subsequently recover - depending on how loud the noises have been and how long you have been exposed to them.
Permanent threshold shift is first experienced 48 hours after exposure to excessive noise. Permanent threshold shift can occur if you have been regularly exposed to excessive noise for long periods of time. It can also occur if you are exposed to very high sound levels for a short period of time. This type of hearing loss will normally continue to increase for up to five years after exposure to the noise.
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Mark's been known to call construction workers "poncey nannies" for wearing ear plugs when they jackhammer the sidewalk.
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Originally posted by redsock:
and get the last word?
If I remember, I let you have the last word on our phantom planet fight. Why are you so hung up about having the last word? You brought it up then as well, didn't you?
I dont know why you joined in at this point, Thirsty had already slapped me.
I dont like people supplying statement of facts, that are clearly no such thing. The (probably temporary) damage was probably caused by the show, would have been much more agreeable to me.
You are much less likely to damage your ears if they can "recover" for 24-48 hours after a loud noise. That is why construction workers and thatguy have to wear earplugs.
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Yes, but it was gentle and loving.
Originally posted by mark e smith:
Thirsty had already slapped me.
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Originally posted by mark e smith:
Originally posted by redsock:
and get the last word?
If I remember, I let you have the last word on our phantom planet fight. Why are you so hung up about having the last word? You brought it up then as well, didn't you?
I dont know why you joined in at this point, Thirsty had already slapped me.
I dont like people supplying statement of facts, that are clearly no such thing. The (probably temporary) damage was probably caused by the show, would have been much more agreeable to me.
You are much less likely to damage your ears if they can "recover" for 24-48 hours after a loud noise. That is why construction workers and thatguy have to wear earplugs. [/b]
Thirsty jumped in while I was writing to you. I'm just in a bad mood, and you are easy to point at. Not sure who got the last word in the Phantom Planet arguement but it wouldn't surprise me if i bitched at you then too, it's a pet peeve of mine.
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Taaag team back again...
Whoomp there it izzz
Originally posted by redsock:
Thirsty jumped in while I was writing to you.
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Originally posted by chaz:
Honestly I didnt really think it was that loud.
I thought the music in between sets was even louder than the actual show(s). My friends and I had to yell at each other over the music. I thought I was in the clear to take out my earplugs immediately after the show (as I usually do) -- this time I kept them in until I was exiting, and then it was still too loud.
*edit - all right, it may not have been as loud as the show, but it was loud.
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Originally posted by mark e smith:
I bet portable music devices are more of a threat to hearing than shows because they are used so many more hours a week.
I agree with this. When I was younger I used walkmans alot like almost every day and I noticed tinnitus when I was 14/15.
I'm not worried about permanent hearing loss since I don't go to shows regularly and havent noticed any hearing problems in the almost 10 years I've been diagnosed. Also, there is no scientific consensus on why ears ring or if it's directly correlated with hearing loss.
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The Hives were Great! I didn't think they were loud at all. Clear and perfect. I had no ringing in my ears. I only attended The Hives set.
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I thought the Hives were pretty loud, but ever since I saw the Beastie Boys w/L7 in 1992 (when my ears rang for 4 days afterwards), I almost ALWAYS wear earplugs. I bring them with to every show...I usually wear them for at least part of the show. It's always a good idea to be prepared.
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Well I certainly didn't intend anyone to get slapped or otherwise ganged up on due to my reporting what the doctor said! I am happy to report that the ringing is gone (and I am SO relieved). I'll be going back to the doctor to verify if I can hear those missing upper ranges. And regarding that comment about not having proof - PUHLEASE! Share a day in my quiet little world and you wouldn't express surprise at the fact that listening to three successive LOUDASS shows on Tue blasted my ear senseless. The "previous track record" of going to see live loud shows just does not exist with me. Of course it was the Hives. Still love em - I'll just love em with earplugs.
Speaking of - did you guys see the white ear plug the guitarist on the right was wearing? Any idea on what kind that was? It seemed to cover the entire inner area short of going over the ear.
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Originally posted by mark e smith:
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
It takes 24 to 48 hours for your ears to recover from a "temporary threshold shift". So an exam done within 24 hours of the concert doesn't tell you a whole lot.
Ding ding DING.
Shit! I hope those dings were not too loud, sorry! [/b]
HAHAHAHA!!!!!!
That cracked me up!
:D :D :D :D :D
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Originally posted by cool_beanies:
PUHLEASE! Share a day in my quiet little world
I am glad your ringing went away. Do your ears feel normal now?
There are plenty of other ways to lose hearing range..... Getting old, and being subjected to loud noises outwith your natural hearing range (you cannot hear them, they still can do damage) are two good possibilities.
And Jag, thankyou. It made me laugh again re-reading it.
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Originally posted by cool_beanies:
Speaking of - did you guys see the white ear plug the guitarist on the right was wearing? Any idea on what kind that was? It seemed to cover the entire inner area short of going over the ear.
Not certain, but I believe that is a musician's earpiece designed to plug into another device that goes to the guitar - so the musician can hear his guitar directly. Something like that?