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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: Metal Meltdown on July 17, 2003, 12:17:00 pm
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So now that tickets are on sale..who is taking the plunge with me??? It could be a train wreck given the age of these guys but I cant pass up the chance to see them, especially in such a small venue...
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I got my tickets. I would have passed if it had been a Nissan, Merriweather, or Patriot Center show.
Train wreck or not, I figure it should be entertaining at least.
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It's bound to be a train wreck...it's the sex pistols!
Just concerned it may be a Thomas the tank engine kind of train wreck with the old farts.
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I just saw Neil Young, and he's 57, and it wan't a train wreck at all. He flat out fucking rocked.
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I think you missed my point....part of the beauty if a Sex Pistols concert is that they are total fucking train wrecks.
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I'm so excited, I can hardly put it into words. I saw their reunion gig about 8 years ago and they played some of the songs slower, but who cares? Also, I don't even care that they have absolutely NO new songs. This is HISTORIC!!!
We can only hope that they actually show up, and that something doesn't happen to make them cancel the concert.
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I saw them last year and they were amazing for a bunch of old fucks.
I'll be seeing them out West again this year and fully looking forward to it.
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i've been told not to make any plans for the 24th... it's a damm shame i can't fit into my bondage pants anymore. last time i tried there was much stretching of the seams vern... and the cat was laughing hysterically at me.
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We don't think this show is going to sell out today, do we?
If you can believe it, I'm checking to see if some friends in NYC want to go to see them at Trump Marina in A.C. with me -- can you imagine that scene, the Pistols in Atlantic City, at a Trump property no less? I'm all over that if I can get some compadres.
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Yeah, I thought about going to Atlantic City to see them myself. What an insane place for them to play! They're also playing at the Hard Rock Hotel in Vegas. I have a couple of theories about this...
Number 1 - Their management is trying to "ape" their very 1st U.S. tour, organized by McLaren, where they played some pretty crazy places, such as a country music club. (Playing in crazy places draws publicity.)
Number 2 - They are in cahoots with some big promoter associated in some way with someone like Donald Trump, and, as a result, have only booked them into places associated with this particular promoter. (which would mean 930 Club is also associated with these people)
Whatever happened to Punk rock being the anti-capitalist's, every-man's music! Obviously, it certainly isn't anymore. The Pistols are putting the death nail in that idea.They helped start it, and, now, I sure hope they aren't ending it.
And- to answer the other person's question - YES, THEIR 930 CLUB SHOW WILL SELL OUT TODAY, and tickets will be scalped for HUNDREDS of dollars!!
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The AC show at Trump Marina should be amazing. With chairs, that venue holds about 1580; without chairs, about 2,200.
I'm asuming no chairs, hee hee.
Tickets for AC have been on sale for over two weeks without selling out. I wouldn't hold out such hope for 9:30.
Based on the 'Filthy Lucre' tour seven years ago, and last year's amazing show, this thing should blow the roof off the 9:30. Whoever thought the Patriot Centre show played songs slower than "Bollocks" needs to listent to Bollocks again...
Finally -- SETH!! CAN YOU GET (the) Razz TO OPEN LIKE THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO AT ALEXANDRIA ROLLER RINK? SO I CAN HAVE SOME FUCKING CLOSURE FROM THAT DISASTER??!!??!!?
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Originally posted by dee-ranged:
Yeah, I thought about going to Atlantic City to see them myself. What an insane place for them to play! They're also playing at the Hard Rock Hotel in Vegas. I have a couple of theories about this...
Number 1 - Their management is trying to "ape" their very 1st U.S. tour, organized by McLaren, where they played some pretty crazy places, such as a country music club. (Playing in crazy places draws publicity.)
Number 2 - They are in cahoots with some big promoter associated in some way with someone like Donald Trump, and, as a result, have only booked them into places associated with this particular promoter. (which would mean 930 Club is also associated with these people)
Whatever happened to Punk rock being the anti-capitalist's, every-man's music! Obviously, it certainly isn't anymore. The Pistols are putting the death nail in that idea.They helped start it, and, now, I sure hope they aren't ending it.
And- to answer the other person's question - YES, THEIR 930 CLUB SHOW WILL SELL OUT TODAY, and tickets will be scalped for HUNDREDS of dollars!!
The Hard Rock has it's own sepreate venue which is comparable to the 9:30 as far as concert venues go. The Joint holds about 1400 people so it's not a big Amphitheatre or any thing like that.
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I'm there. Is this the year of the old folks playing 9:30 or what?
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If you want anti-capitalist everymans music, listen to Steve Earle or Billy Bragg.
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
I just saw Neil Young, and he's 57, and it wan't a train wreck at all. He flat out fucking rocked.
he also happens to be an artist. unlike Mr. Rotten & co.
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Originally posted by walkman:
he also happens to be an artist. unlike Mr. Rotten & co. [/QB]
"Well keep going, chief. Keep going. Go on, you've got another ten seconds. Say something outrageous."
you fucking twat, you remind me of Bill Grundy.
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Originally posted by the scientist:
Originally posted by walkman:
he also happens to be an artist. unlike Mr. Rotten & co. [/b]
"Well keep going, chief. Keep going. Go on, you've got another ten seconds. Say something outrageous."
you fucking twat, you remind me of Bill Grundy. [/QB]
hey easy there, killer. I respect the Pistols for their important contribution to modern music. I'm just asserting my opinion that they are not artists, at least not of Neil Young's calibre.
P.S. I wasn't even born when Grundy wrote his little interview. Gimme a break.
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Originally posted by walkman:
hey easy there, killer.
I was just kidding with you.....
But I think Punk and the Pistols were more closely related to high art than Neil young will ever be.
think of the work Jamie Reid, the graphic designer did and the clothes of Vivienne Westwood. Both were complete revolutions, along with the music.
You think I don't appreciate
art. You think I don't understand
fashion. You think I'm not hip.
You think I'm pathetic, a nerd,
a lard-ass fatso. You think I'm shit.
Well, you're wrong. 'Cause I'm
champagne. And you're shit.
And till the day you die, you,
not me, will always be shit.
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Neil Young has been putting out top notch music for 35 years. How many artists who were around in the late 60's are still at the top of their game in 2003?
The Sex Pistols were still probably flicking boogers at their prep school schoolmaster in the late 60's...and how many top notch albums have they put out?
Retro garbage, I'm sick of it.
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Retro garbage, I'm sick of it.
Yes, I dont know why you listen to Neil young.
I think from a high art viewpoint the pistols did something much more interesting than Neil Young.
The Pistols have one half-cocked album, but Jonny Lydon did some interesting work with PIL and Leftfield.
I think the pistols did something extraordinary, to me Neil young is just a grumpy guy who wrote some above average songs. Did he write "Ohio"?
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Originally posted by the scientist:
Originally posted by walkman:
hey easy there, killer.
I was just kidding with you.....
But I think Punk and the Pistols were more closely related to high art than Neil young will ever be.
think of the work Jamie Reid, the graphic designer did and the clothes of Vivienne Westwood. Both were complete revolutions, along with the music.
You think I don't appreciate
art. You think I don't understand
fashion. You think I'm not hip.
You think I'm pathetic, a nerd,
a lard-ass fatso. You think I'm shit.
Well, you're wrong. 'Cause I'm
champagne. And you're shit.
And till the day you die, you,
not me, will always be shit. [/b]
At least I'll always appreciate you for your well chosen quotes, oh scientist. I do agree that the institution surrounding the pistols was full of artists...McLaren for one. But the music itself? Bollocks doesn't get a lot of replays compared to, say, "Everybody Knows This Is Nowhere". Don't get me wrong - Bollocks was a vital album for its time, but the mark of great art is how well it ages. Hearing Neil Young play Down By The River at 57 is inspiring...I can't imagine the same will hold true when Johnny busts out God Save the Queen. Rule of thumb...if an old fart makes you laugh unintentionally, he's really pushing it.
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Above average songs?! Hell, even Ohio is a great song AND it predated the whole Sex Pistols screw the gov't thing. Try putting on Heart of Gold, Old Man, and Hey Hey My My and tell me those songs are above average.
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
How many artists who were around in the late 60's are still at the top of their game in 2003?
BOWIE!
Tom Jones
Stones (unfortunately)
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Jesus, even Cinnamon Girl and Southern Man are awesome.
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Originally posted by thirsty moore:
Jesus, even Cinnamon Girl and Southern Man are awesome.
thanks for the back up, Thirsty. Although Markie got me a little bit with PiL...a truly interesting, artistically relevant band. Too bad they only made one good record. As opposed to Neil's what, 15 and counting?
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Originally posted by mankie:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
How many artists who were around in the late 60's are still at the top of their game in 2003?
BOWIE!
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Abso-feckin-lutely. Bless him.
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Hey, hey, my, my, the "king" is back and he's not forgotton . . .
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I'll give you Bowie, but the Stones haven't put out much anything good since Tattoo You...
Tom Jones I admit I'm a bit ignorant of. Isn't he the guy old ladies throw their undies at?
Originally posted by mankie:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
How many artists who were around in the late 60's are still at the top of their game in 2003?
BOWIE!
Tom Jones
Stones (unfortunately) [/b]
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Originally posted by Mobius:
Hey, hey, my, my, the "king" is back and he's not forgotton . . .
ironic, ain't it?
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anything Neil did without Crazy Horse pretty much makes me wanna take a nap... :p
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Rotten may be a jerk and pompous, but he's also pretty damn bright. It's unfortunate that Sid overshadowed just what a sharp tack he is. And it's a shame that people forget how amazing some of PIL's early stuff is too. I would never say he's a genius, but he's probably underrated. I just wish he would have let the Pistols be instead of cashing in, because I'm afraid this is one scenario where they really are doing it for the money.
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I'm mostly here at my job for the money. I guess I'm just like Johnny Rotten. What's wrong with doing something that's going to pay the bills?
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Originally posted by thirsty moore:
Above average songs?! Hell, even Ohio is a great song AND it predated the whole Sex Pistols screw the gov't thing. Try putting on Heart of Gold, Old Man, and Hey Hey My My and tell me those songs are above average.
Are you trying to say you think they are below average?
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As it happens I dont think Bowie has release an album that will be regarded as a classic for 20 years.....
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Let me clarify, I think those are great songs.
Originally posted by the scientist:
Are you trying to say you think they are below average?
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Originally posted by walkman:
but the mark of great art is how well it ages. Hearing Neil Young play Down By The River at 57 is inspiring...I can't imagine the same will hold true when Johnny busts out God Save the Queen.
the first statement is a fallacy, the second is probably true.
Just because Mike Tyson or Ali are old and fucked now doesnt mean they were not two of the greatest in the ring.
Cant judge on still being able to perform. Old punks look pathetic whatever way you cut it. Sold out or pathetically trying to hang on to their youth.
I think the actual album, never mind the bollocks, still sounds as good as say the strokes or what have you, that was released 25 or so years later.
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Originally posted by the scientist:
Originally posted by walkman:
but the mark of great art is how well it ages. Hearing Neil Young play Down By The River at 57 is inspiring...I can't imagine the same will hold true when Johnny busts out God Save the Queen.
the first statement is a fallacy, the second is probably true.
Just because Mike Tyson or Ali are old and fucked now doesnt mean they were not two of the greatest in the ring.
Cant judge on still being able to perform. Old punks look pathetic whatever way you cut it. Sold out or pathetically trying to hang on to their youth.
I think the actual album, never mind the bollocks, still sounds as good as say the strokes or what have you, that was released 25 or so years later. [/b]
Are the Strokes still living?
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Originally posted by ggw:
Are the Strokes still living?
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Nope! Their 15 minutes was up long ago.
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Neil Young is a great artist
The Sex Pistol as invisioned by Malcom McLaren were a great event.
Neil Young is not only continuing to create great music, his songs have (un)fortanetly help payed many of CSN bills, he's dabble succesfully and unsuccessfully in other genres and he owns part of Lionel Trains.
The Sex Pistols made lot of headlines, released one "classic" record, split up, had other musical adventures, ran out of ideas and cash, and reformed.
The Sex Pistols at the 9:30 club will be a event, at any other larger DC area venue it would have be just another concert I would have no qualms about passing on.
Johnny Lydon is the only member who had "real" post Sex Pistols success. His VH-1 TV was brillant but I never heard his radioshow. Which was probably good given his quotabitlity. The rest... Well who could forget Steve Jones solo records or Checked Past with Michael Des Barres or the Neurotic Outsiders. Paul Cook hasn't done much other than played most notably with Edwyn Collins. Glen Matlock released a solo record currently gathering dust somewhere in my collection.
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I think Never Mind the Bollocks sounds as good as the Strokes as well. Glad we can agree on that one.
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Originally posted by the scientist:
As it happens I dont think Bowie has release an album that will be regarded as a classic for 20 years.....
by whom the general public or bowie fans? just because he isn't sell boatloads of records doesn't mean that there are some fans out there digging his recent output.
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Originally posted by the scientist:
Originally posted by walkman:
but the mark of great art is how well it ages. Hearing Neil Young play Down By The River at 57 is inspiring...I can't imagine the same will hold true when Johnny busts out God Save the Queen.
the first statement is a fallacy, the second is probably true.
Just because Mike Tyson or Ali are old and fucked now doesnt mean they were not two of the greatest in the ring.
Cant judge on still being able to perform. Old punks look pathetic whatever way you cut it. Sold out or pathetically trying to hang on to their youth.
I think the actual album, never mind the bollocks, still sounds as good as say the strokes or what have you, that was released 25 or so years later. [/b]
I'm still having trouble thinking of any great art that hasn't maintained its relevance, and yet is still considered great. Why d'you reckon Picasso's work has stuck around so long? Whether or not you think The Pistols still maintain any relevance is one thing...but arguing that great art doesn't have to? Que?
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Originally posted by walkman:
I can't imagine the same will hold true when Johnny busts out God Save the Queen.
Whether or not you think The Pistols still maintain any relevance is one thing...but arguing that great art doesn't have to? Que? [/QB][/QUOTE]
No Walkman, you missed my point.
You said seeing the pistols now would probably make you laugh. I dont think that detracts from their accomplishments. Like if you met picasso today he isnt much of an artist anymore either, he is dead.
I think the pistols album stands up very well today, that is what matters, not if they look pathetic now. It is the recorded material and its effects. The concerts at the time and the clothes they wore at the time and the art it inspired at the time.
Hell, go to borders and look how many books you will find on the pistols and punk vs Neil Young. Sure there are a lot of books on nsync and shit too, but not new kids on the block. Punk has stood the test of time. But then it moulded modern culture.
What did Neil Young do again?
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
by whom the general public or bowie fans? just because he isn't sell boatloads of records doesn't mean that there are some fans out there digging his recent output.
But that is true of any recording artist, isnt it? Bowie hasnt done anything legendary since Low and Heroes, has he?
Well apart from setting up bowie.com and bowiebanc.
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I think you overestimate the importance of punk, particularly in this country ,or for that matter any country OTHER THAN Britain. The hippie movement had a much more far ranging cultural impact in this country than punk EVER did, for better or for worse.
a. Neil Young had his hands in the hippie movement.
b. Neil Young served as one of the main points of inspiration for "grunge".
c. Neil Young serves as a main point of inspiration for the alt-country movement.
Hell, go to borders and look how many books you will find on the pistols and punk vs Neil Young. Sure there are a lot of books on nsync and shit too, but not new kids on the block. Punk has stood the test of time. But then it moulded modern culture.
What did Neil Young do again? [/QB][/QUOTE]
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Originally posted by the scientist:
No Walkman, you missed my point.
You said seeing the pistols now would probably make you laugh. I dont think that detracts from their accomplishments. Like if you met picasso today he isnt much of an artist anymore either, he is dead.
I think the pistols album stands up very well today, that is what matters, not if they look pathetic now. It is the recorded material and its effects. The concerts at the time and the clothes they wore at the time and the art it inspired at the time.
Hell, go to borders and look how many books you will find on the pistols and punk vs Neil Young. Sure there are a lot of books on nsync and shit too, but not new kids on the block. Punk has stood the test of time. But then it moulded modern culture.
What did Neil Young do again?
Comparing a living Johnny Rotten to a deceased Picasso completely evades the point of my argument. The point is, in fact, that a living Picasso's art was never good for a laugh during his brilliant career, whereas Rotten is now comedy material. The thing of it is, Picasso WAS a great artist up until the day he died. That's precisely what cemented his legacy as a genius and an innovator - he never lost his touch.
P.S. Neil Young did as much to pave the road for punk rock as anybody making music before 1975. He just did it with better songs.
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
by whom the general public or bowie fans? just because he isn't sell boatloads of records doesn't mean that there are some fans out there digging his recent output.
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Kosmo, you seem to be forgetting that scientist markie wk and Rhett are the last word on music...what they say is the final word, end of story. Anyone else's opinion are irrelevant...that's just how liberals are.
The reality is that great music is bought much less than the shite....Britney, N'sync, Limp Bizkit, WK, the list goes on. Whoever has the best marketing is who sells the most cd's, talent has nothing to do with it.
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:D
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Originally posted by walkman:
The point is, in fact, that a living Picasso's art was never good for a laugh during his brilliant career, whereas Rotten is now comedy material. The thing of it is, Picasso WAS a great artist up until the day he died. That's precisely what cemented his legacy as a genius and an innovator - he never lost his touch.
P.S. Neil Young did as much to pave the road for punk rock as anybody making music before 1975. He just did it with better songs. [/b]
that is why I used the boxer example to start with, remember Tyson and Ali. Some things just look rediculous if old people do them....
like riding skateboards and wearing bondage pants and pretending to be rebellious, or boxing.
I have never heard anyone suggest that Neil Young paved the way for punk before. He was a hippie, right? The punks hated hippies. They are the anithesis of punk.
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Originally posted by mankie:
Whoever has the best marketing is who sells the most cd's, talent has nothing to do with it.
I would contend that bowie has some of the best marketing. He is a rock superpower. When he has a new album you see posters of it everywhere, and if the singles are good they get radioplay.
From what I have seen on tele, bowie looks like he is still very good live, but none of his albums in the last 20 years have been massively influential, there were a run of albums preceeding that though that I would contend are massively influential and are still great to listen to now. Those albums were part of the zeitgeist, for want of a better word. The crrent albums are not.
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I think you guys are comparing apples and oranges.
Neil Young has worked in practically every genre of modern music -- folk, rock, blues, country, punk, electronic. He's been at it for going on forty years now and still creates relevant material, and has influenced countless rock, country and folk musicians.
The Sex Pistols released one seminal album and cemented their place in history by saying "fuck" (or some similarly verboten word) on the telly. They created a fashion revolution, but even the Scientist would admit they were not as influential musically as other punk bands.
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Originally posted by ggw:
I think you guys are comparing apples and oranges.
They created a fashion revolution, but even the Scientist would admit they were not as influential musically as other punk bands.
I was enjoing the comparison though. I dont know too much about Neil Young. I guess he is American as the Pistols were English.
I disagree with your later statement. I think the pistols were THE influential punk band. Especially for the english scene. And without the English scene it is possible that the NY scene might have been forgotten by now. (I doubt it , but thats conjecture)
All of the British punk bands after the pistols were to some extent just copying the pistols, especially in their beginnings. Later on many weht on to do much better more interesting things. But copying the pistols was the initial spark.
Bernie Rhodes and the clash were just following the malcolm mclaren mobile.
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I find it interesting that someone said that punk had little impact in the US...how much further from the truth could that be? We give the world the Ramones and Iggy & the Stooges, arguably the 2 founding bands of punk rock, the UK gives us back the Clash, the Sex Pistols, and a slew of other bands. We give the world Husker Du, the Replacements, and whatever else you can dish up that influenced bands like the Pixies, Jane's Addiction and Nirvana. Yeah, punk never mattered. Hippies rule!!
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Originally posted by the scientist:
I disagree with your later statement. I think the pistols were THE influential punk band. Especially for the english scene. And without the English scene it is possible that the NY scene might have been forgotten by now. (I doubt it , but thats conjecture)
All of the British punk bands after the pistols were to some extent just copying the pistols, especially in their beginnings. Later on many weht on to do much better more interesting things. But copying the pistols was the initial spark.
Bernie Rhodes and the clash were just following the malcolm mclaren mobile.
My point is that Young was influential musically, whereas I would argue that the Sex Pistols were more influential culturally.
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Well said, GGW.
Originally posted by ggw:
I think you guys are comparing apples and oranges.
Neil Young has worked in practically every genre of modern music -- folk, rock, blues, country, punk, electronic. He's been at it for going on forty years now and still creates relevant material, and has influenced countless rock, country and folk musicians.
The Sex Pistols released one seminal album and cemented their place in history by saying "fuck" (or some similarly verboten word) on the telly. They created a fashion revolution, but even the Scientist would admit they were not as influential musically as other punk bands.
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Originally posted by ggw:
My point is that Young was influential musically, whereas I would argue that the Sex Pistols were more influential culturally.
Well If you say the attitude of punk, the do it yourself ethos, was a cultural change then maybe.
Who did Neil Young have such a massive inluence on? I know I could look it up on allmusic, but that thing lies.
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For me, let's put it this way. There was a time maybe ten years ago where I went to about six shows in a row, and every band I saw did a Neil Young cover. I have never seen anybody do a Sex Pistols cover.
Off the top of my head, i think I have seen Matthew Sweet, Slobberbone, Cracker, Lucinda Williams, the Lemonheads, EmmyLou Harris, the Jayhawks, Canyon (not bragging about that one), and Cassandra Wilson.
His songs have been covered by too many people to name, but they include David Bowie, Dolly Parton, Neil Young, Tori Amos, Paul Weller, Motorhead, the Pretenders, and the list goes on.
And last and least, he is listed as the "programmer" on Andrew WK's I Get Wet album.
Originally posted by the scientist:
Originally posted by ggw:
My point is that Young was influential musically, whereas I would argue that the Sex Pistols were more influential culturally.
Well If you say the attitude of punk, the do it yourself ethos, was a cultural change then maybe.
Who did Neil Young have such a massive inluence on? I know I could look it up on allmusic, but that thing lies. [/b]
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I think America has always had a do it yourself ethos. That is part and parcel what the Republican Party is built on.
Originally posted by the scientist:
Originally posted by ggw:
My point is that Young was influential musically, whereas I would argue that the Sex Pistols were more influential culturally.
Well If you say the attitude of punk, the do it yourself ethos, was a cultural change then maybe.
Who did Neil Young have such a massive inluence on? I know I could look it up on allmusic, but that thing lies. [/b]
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Originally posted by the scientist:
Who did Neil Young have such a massive inluence on? I know I could look it up on allmusic, but that thing lies.
Well he is the "Godfather of Grunge"
If you go by allmusic, he influenced the Stooges, MC5, Nirvana and every other grunge, proto-grunge, post-grunge, alt-country, folk-rock, and proto-folk-alt-rock-grunge-country band ever.
Nirvana and Wilco are the most often cited. Nirvana were pretty big.
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"Keep on rocking in the free world"
What the hell was the man thinking?
(I'm a fan of Neil Young for the record)
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
I think America has always had a do it yourself ethos. That is part and parcel what the Republican Party is built on.
Originally posted by the scientist:
Originally posted by ggw:
My point is that Young was influential musically, whereas I would argue that the Sex Pistols were more influential culturally.
Well If you say the attitude of punk, the do it yourself ethos, was a cultural change then maybe.
Who did Neil Young have such a massive inluence on? I know I could look it up on allmusic, but that thing lies. [/b]
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I bet John Lydon votes Republican.
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I saw Patti Smith cover "Keep On Rockin' In the Free World" a few years back. I hear she's punk.
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
For me, let's put it this way. There was a time maybe ten years ago where I went to about six shows in a row, and every band I saw did a Neil Young cover. I have never seen anybody do a Sex Pistols cover.
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Us your high school education and figure it out for us.
Rockin' In The Free World"
There are colours on the street
Red, white and blue
People shufflin' their feet
People sleepin' in their shoes
But there's a warnin' sign on the road ahead
There's a lot of people sayin' we'd be better off dead
Don't feel like Satan but I am to them
So I try to forget it anyway I can
Keep on rockin' in the free world
Keep on rockin' in the free world
Keep on rockin' in the free world
Keep on rockin' in the free world
I see a girl in the night
With a baby in her hand
Under an old street light
Near a garbage can
Now she puts the kid away and she's gone to get a hit
She hates her life and what she's done to it
That's one more kid that will never go to school
Never get to fall in love never get to be cool
Keep on rockin' in the free world
Keep on rockin' in the free world
Keep on rockin' in the free world
Keep on rockin' in the free world
We got a thousand points of light
For the homeless man
We got a kinder gentler machine gun hand
We got department stores and toilet paper
Got styrofoam boxes for the ozone layer
Got a man of the people says keep hope alive
Got fuel to burn got roads to drive
Keep on rockin' in the free world
Keep on rockin' in the free world
Keep on rockin' in the free world
Keep on rockin' in the free world
Originally posted by mankie:
"Keep on rocking in the free world"
What the hell was the man thinking?
(I'm a fan of Neil Young for the record)
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Originally posted by mankie:
"Keep on rocking in the free world"
What the hell was the man thinking?
(I'm a fan of Neil Young for the record)
well prior to 9/11 it was sarcastic chorus as part of a song pointing out the various problems in the "free world". the problem now is the chorus has made it an fist pumping anthem. sad really...
Rockin' In The Free World
There are colours on the street
Red, white and blue
People shufflin' their feet
People sleepin' in their shoes
But there's a warnin' sign on the road ahead
There's a lot of people sayin' we'd be better off dead
Don't feel like Satan but I am to them
So I try to forget it anyway I can
Keep on rockin' in the free world
Keep on rockin' in the free world
Keep on rockin' in the free world
Keep on rockin' in the free world
I see a girl in the night
With a baby in her hand
Under an old street light
Near a garbage can
Now she puts the kid away and she's gone to get a hit
She hates her life and what she's done to it
That's one more kid that will never go to school
Never get to fall in love never get to be cool
Keep on rockin' in the free world
Keep on rockin' in the free world
Keep on rockin' in the free world
Keep on rockin' in the free world
We got a thousand points of light
For the homeless man
We got a kinder gentler machine gun hand
We got department stores and toilet paper
Got styrofoam boxes for the ozone layer
Got a man of the people says keep hope alive
Got fuel to burn got roads to drive
Keep on rockin' in the free world
Keep on rockin' in the free world
Keep on rockin' in the free world
Keep on rockin' in the free world
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ala Born in the USA
"Keep on rocking in the free world"
What the hell was the man thinking?
(I'm a fan of Neil Young for the record) [/QUOTE]well prior to 9/11 it was sarcastic chorus as part of a song pointing out the various problems in the "free world". the problem now is the chorus has made it an fist pumping anthem. sad really...
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Since when did Neil Young go poncey British?
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
There are colours on the street
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Nevermind, he's Canadian.
Originally posted by thirsty moore:
Since when did Neil Young go poncey British?
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And just to tie everything together, here's Bowie's take on Young:
"There's youthful redemption in everything he does, a joyfulness about being an independent thinker in America."
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Originally posted by thirsty moore:
[QB] Nevermind, he's Canadian.
He's talented...he obviously wasn't yanklish!
I know all about the song by the way...just thought he was above that kind of crap that's all.
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This is before the Thermidor of late-70's punk, when one rock icon after another fell before its guillotine of cultural relevancy, and Young was the one 60's artist not only spared by the revolution but also embraced as a kindred spirit.
This is back before the nitwitted lawsuit filed against him in the 80's by the head of his record label, David Geffen, for not making true ''Neil Young'' records, before the 90's, when Kurt Cobain quoted him in his suicide note, before he became the only artist in the year 2000 that one could possibly imagine sharing a concert bill with, say, Merle Haggard on the one hand and Nine Inch Nails on the other.
http://www.laurencecook.com/erickson/articles/neilyoung.html (http://www.laurencecook.com/erickson/articles/neilyoung.html)
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While the lyrics might tell a story of urban blight, many people don't realize that Neil Young just wanted to get laid.
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
ala Born in the USA
"Keep on rocking in the free world"
What the hell was the man thinking?
(I'm a fan of Neil Young for the record)
well prior to 9/11 it was sarcastic chorus as part of a song pointing out the various problems in the "free world". the problem now is the chorus has made it an fist pumping anthem. sad really... [/b][/QUOTE]
another song which the boss himself has let lose it's meaning... even after some republican president candidate tried unsuccessfully to coop as their theme.
i saw csn&y post 9/11 and was disappointed that neil was turning "rockin" into anthem... however at the greendale show he was again performing it with the anger of when it first came out. pearl jam unfortunately has let it become anthem... unless they are grinning inside when they play it
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To further complicate things... Social D. and Sonic Youth toured with Young in the early 90's.
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Originally posted by thirsty moore:
To further complicate things... Social D. and Sonic Youth toured with Young in the early 90's.
a great tour by the way... complete with the rust never sleeps giant amps and drums! to bad that his audience didn't appreciate either of the support acts.
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Originally posted by thirsty moore:
To further complicate things... Social D. and Sonic Youth toured with Young in the early 90's.
In my mind, that was the greatest triple-bill of all-time.
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alright, enough already, Neil young is great.
Anyone notice how Bowie disappeared during the salad days of punk?
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That's because he was bonking Lou Reed and Iggy Pop, who also dissapeared. They fell into a hole in Berlin.
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Bowie circa 1977:
<img src="http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000003F6R.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg" alt=" - " />
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exactly on all accounts.
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
Originally posted by thirsty moore:
To further complicate things... Social D. and Sonic Youth toured with Young in the early 90's.
a great tour by the way... complete with the rust never sleeps giant amps and drums! to bad that his audience didn't appreciate either of the support acts. [/b]
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Originally posted by thirsty moore:
That's because he was bonking Lou Reed and Iggy Pop, who also dissapeared. They fell into a hole in Berlin.
One of the funniest quotes I've read, "myself and Iggy moved to Berlin to kick our out of control Heroin habit, only to find out Berlin was the Heroin capital of the world"...Bowie!
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Originally posted by ggw:
Bowie circa 1977:
<img src="http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000003F6R.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg" alt=" - " />
I have that album...really.
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was it good?
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They spelled wolf wrong. It's woulf.
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<img src="http://www.schickele.com/images/Scanned/psrecs/smsneaky.jpg" alt=" - " />
I like the look of this version....
does anyone think that is what Randall will look like in 10 years?
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Originally posted by the scientist:
was it good?
Don't know, I never played it....I just used to collect everything Bowie on Vinyl. I got Heroes in German (Helden) which was damn good. I also got all those Japanese picture disc 45's that they used to put out..oh to be young and crazy again. :roll:
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Originally posted by the scientist:
<img src="http://www.schickele.com/images/Scanned/psrecs/smsneaky.jpg" alt=" - " />
I like the look of this version....
does anyone think that is what Randall will look like in 10 years?
10 years!!! You give it that long?