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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: bull930 on January 27, 2008, 07:57:00 am
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Looks like the new line is gonna get shut down. I don't know if it is necessary right now as you can catch the bus to Dulles. What are your thoughts???? Anyone live in that area??????
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This project will not affect me directly as I don't live out there, but I nearly always see value in mass transit.
However, I don't see how VA is going to pull a billion $$ out of its ass to save this project...
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i 'live out there'
i would bet money that it will happen. they'll sell the toll road if needed. maybe that's the optimist in me. really, they need to do anything to make this happen
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Good. Dulles Airport sucks.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_private_partnership (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_private_partnership)
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Am I an idiot?
Why don't they build a single track train shuttle thing that would run from the East (or West) Falls church metro straight to Dulles and back?
Problem solved.
I hate Dulles with a passion, but if there was some reliable form of train transit I'd book flights from there.
Shuttle buses? No thanks.
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I just wish they'd stop referring to Dulles as a Washington DC airport.
Islip's airport is only 40 miles from NYC proper, and THAT'S not considered a New York Metro Airport.
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DC to Dulles is only 26 miles. Quick drive.
Originally posted by ixkpd-bk:
I just wish they'd stop referring to Dulles as a Washington DC airport.
Islip's airport is only 40 miles from NYC proper, and THAT'S not considered a New York Metro Airport.
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The Washington Flyer from West? Falls Church is not that bad. And there's an express Metro bus that runs from DC and Rosslyn. Now I just drive and park in long term.
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alot of cities have airports that are far out in the burbs, but whether you like or dislike dulles is fairly immaterial to the argument. the dc area needs public transportation to the airport, and it needs to ease congestion in the dulles corridor and especially tysons corner. if anything they should take it out to purcellville because thats the way the burbs are heading
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
DC to Dulles is only 26 miles. Quick drive.
as i'm sure you're aware, the drive is anything but quick during peak hours. an airport that is convenient only part of the day isn't very useful. getting from DC to dulles between 4 and 7 pm is a nightmare - yet that's exactly when i'd have to driving to the airport to catch most of my flights.
Originally posted by freakoretardo:
Am I an idiot?
TBD :p
Originally posted by freakoretardo:
Why don't they build a single track train shuttle thing that would run from the East (or West) Falls church metro straight to Dulles and back?
economics - cheap public transportation only makes sense with a certain volume. one train going back and forth to the airport only wouldn't achieve that volume. need to add in 'burban commuters. heaven knows that northern VA needs more public transpo, i can only imagine how horrible traffic is going to be in 10 years.
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Originally posted by sweetcell:
economics - cheap public transportation only makes sense with a certain volume. one train going back and forth to the airport only wouldn't achieve that volume. need to add in 'burban commuters. heaven knows that northern VA needs more public transpo, i can only imagine how horrible traffic is going to be in 10 years.
absolutely. i dont know if its so simple if its one or the other, but to me its a nobrainer of an issue
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Some of the sweetest non-stop flights originate from Dulles only. Would you rather shuttle bus or layover?
Originally posted by freakoretardo:
Am I an idiot?
I hate Dulles with a passion, but if there was some reliable form of train transit I'd book flights from there.
Shuttle buses? No thanks.
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Originally posted by 930clubber:
Some of the sweetest non-stop flights originate from Dulles only. Would you rather shuttle bus or layover?
if the layover is short enough and if i'd have to leave DC in the afternoon/evening, the layover can be preferable. among other reasons: at least there's a bar with a TV in the airport. or i can get work done. but rarely both :)
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The destination airport is also a factor, some of the non-stop endpoints are less convenient than those on layover routes, eg Oakland versus SFO.
Originally posted by sweetcell:
Originally posted by 930clubber:
Some of the sweetest non-stop flights originate from Dulles only. Would you rather shuttle bus or layover?
if the layover is short enough and if i'd have to leave DC in the afternoon/evening, the layover can be preferable. among other reasons: at least there's a bar with a TV in the airport. or i can get work done. but rarely both :) [/b]
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Va. Gains Time to Save U.S. Funding for Dulles Rail (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/28/AR2008012802703.html?nav=rss_email/components)
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I think there need to be plenty of stops b/w Tyson's and Dulles. The revenue they'd get in return would pay for itself. I generally drive because it takes additional time and distance to get to the closest metro and I can never find parking.
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Originally posted by Greer Zoller:
The revenue they'd get in return would pay for itself.
really?
mass transit almost never pays for itself (especially DC's metro), why would this be any different?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farebox_recovery_ratio (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farebox_recovery_ratio)
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Or they need to build bigger or more parkings by the busy node stations.
Originally posted by Greer Zoller:
I think there need to be plenty of stops b/w Tyson's and Dulles. The revenue they'd get in return would pay for itself. I generally drive because it takes additional time and distance to get to the closest metro and I can never find parking.
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Metro needs to build a dual-track system in the urban core, like New York City has, before it considers building any more lines in rural Virginia.
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I don't think Metro currently has any lines in rural VA, nor are they planning any.
Originally posted by They call me Doctor Doom.:
Metro needs to build a dual-track system in the urban core, like New York City has, before it considers building any more lines in rural Virginia.
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slow-talking yokels and streets named after Confederate heroes = rural
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
I don't think Metro currently has any lines in rural VA, nor are they planning any.
Originally posted by They call me Doctor Doom.:
Metro needs to build a dual-track system in the urban core, like New York City has, before it considers building any more lines in rural Virginia.
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where is that?
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dc has "public transportion" to dulles.
if you're thinking of a paddington to heathrow non-stop equivalent, good luck with that.
Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
alot of cities have airports that are far out in the burbs, but whether you like or dislike dulles is fairly immaterial to the argument. the dc area needs public transportation to the airport, and it needs to ease congestion in the dulles corridor and especially tysons corner. if anything they should take it out to purcellville because thats the way the burbs are heading
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So Crystal City is rural?
Originally posted by They call me Doctor Doom.:
slow-talking yokels and streets named after Confederate heroes = rural
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
I don't think Metro currently has any lines in rural VA, nor are they planning any.
Originally posted by They call me Doctor Doom.:
Metro needs to build a dual-track system in the urban core, like New York City has, before it considers building any more lines in rural Virginia.
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Originally posted by 930clubber:
dc has "public transportion" to dulles.
if you're thinking of a paddington to heathrow non-stop equivalent, good luck with that.
Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
alot of cities have airports that are far out in the burbs, but whether you like or dislike dulles is fairly immaterial to the argument. the dc area needs public transportation to the airport, and it needs to ease congestion in the dulles corridor and especially tysons corner. if anything they should take it out to purcellville because thats the way the burbs are heading
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i'm thinking of...the silver line
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also atlanta
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
So Crystal City is rural?
Originally posted by They call me Doctor Doom.:
slow-talking yokels and streets named after Confederate heroes = rural
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
I don't think Metro currently has any lines in rural VA, nor are they planning any.
Originally posted by They call me Doctor Doom.:
Metro needs to build a dual-track system in the urban core, like New York City has, before it considers building any more lines in rural Virginia.
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God gave you two legs. Getting off at East Falls Church and switching for the Washington Flyer isn't that much work. The Silver Line would have nine stops from East Falls Church to Dulles.
Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
i'm thinking of...the silver line [/QB]
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do you read posts? i said that just going to the airport is not the only reason for the silver line, easing conjestion in the dulles cooridor is the other. its not cut and dry if its just the airport, and frankly i see a better argument for all of those offices in the tysons/reston/herndon/dulles area needing metro service than the airport. and i live in sterling, so i either catch a ride or cab it
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do you understand precision in language? saying "dc needs public transportation to the airport" and including "tysons/reston/herndon/dulles" in "dc" is a stretch. what you meant to say is people who live in "tysons/reston/herndon/dulles" need a publicly funded train to dulles airport to entertain your theory that those same people will give up their cars or car service or bus service to get there.
Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
do you read posts? i said that just going to the airport is not the only reason for the silver line, easing conjestion in the dulles cooridor is the other. its not cut and dry if its just the airport, and frankly i see a better argument for all of those offices in the tysons/reston/herndon/dulles area needing metro service than the airport. and i live in sterling, so i either catch a ride or cab it
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first of all if we're talking about wmata, how is it a stretch to talk about an area serviced by that authority as being dc? you made the right assumptions, so obviously you knew what i was talking about, except you left out the people that work in tysons/reston/herndon/dulles, which really is more important than the people that live there (and i dont see how "i see a better argument for all of those offices in the tysons/reston/herndon/dulles area needing metro service" is unclear)
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One good thing about a silver line -- it would make it easier for the hayseeds to bring their produce into the city's markets...
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since some people here want wmata to spread like cancer, why not have a line out to amish country, so they can bring in amish pies on "public transportation."
Originally posted by They call me Doctor Doom.:
One good thing about a silver line -- it would make it easier for the hayseeds to bring their produce into the city's markets...
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Or the negroes to get to their security jobs at dulles
Originally posted by They call me Doctor Doom.:
One good thing about a silver line -- it would make it easier for the hayseeds to bring their produce into the city's markets...
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right right, you live in the city, screw everyone else. you sold me, i'd hate for farmers in ashburn to infest your city. metro should be for only native washingtonians. heaven forbid we should try to make the dc area better
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WMATA provides *bus* service, aka "public transportation," to dulles, tysons, etc:
http://www.wmata.com/timetables/timetables-state.cfm?State=VA (http://www.wmata.com/timetables/timetables-state.cfm?State=VA)
Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
right right, you live in the city, screw everyone else. you sold me, i'd hate for farmers in ashburn to infest your city. metro should be for only native washingtonians. heaven forbid we should try to make the dc area better
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they should stop. we wouldnt want crops coming into the district or negros getting to jobs
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