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Charges pressed by DA after two weeks of deliberation
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ESPN.com news services
EAGLE, Colo. -- Los Angeles Lakers star Kobe Bryant has been charged with one count of felony sexual assault, Eagle County prosecutor Mark Hurlbert announced today after two weeks of deliberation.
Bryant will face four years to life in prison, if convicted.
Bryant's Denver-based attorney, Pamela Mackey, has scheduled a news conference at 9 p.m. ET time tonight at the Staples Center in Los Angeles, but there is no word whether Bryant will be there. Mackey also released a statement on Bryant's behalf shortly after the announcement.
"I am innocent of the charges filed today. I did not assault the woman who is accusing me," Bryant said in the statement. "I made the mistake of adultery. I have to answer to my wife and my God for my actions that night and I pray that both will forgive me. ... Nothing that happened June 30th was against the will of the woman who now falsely accuses me."
Bryant, 24, turned himself in to authorities July 4 and was released on $25,000 bond. The woman claims he attacked her at the Lodge & Spa at Cordillera in nearby Edwards on June 30.
His attorney has said the five-time NBA All-Star is innocent and was in Colorado for knee surgery at a Vail clinic. In a brief interview with the Los Angeles Times last week, Bryant said he "would never do something like that.''
Bryant attended the ESPY Awards in Los Angeles on Wednesday night, but avoided the media in his first public appearance since his arrest. He sat in the audience smiling and laughing with his wife, Vanessa.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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Oh I'm sure he'll get off with him being a sports celebrity and all.
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Originally posted by mankie:
Oh I'm sure he'll get off with him being a sports celebrity and all.
I'm thinking there's a settlement in the works, but I'm going to do some research about who can dismiss criminal charges in Colorado. If only the DA can, a settlement means nothing. Maybe a reduced sentence for some $$$ to the victim, I'm not sure yet.
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He'll get off scot free with the criminal case, then she'll sue him in civil court and that's when the settlement will come into play.
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Originally posted by mankie:
Oh I'm sure he'll get off with him being a sports celebrity and all.
Kind of the way Mike Tyson got off?
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Originally posted by mankie:
Oh I'm sure he'll get off with him being a sports celebrity and all.
He did get off....that's the problem! Oh, you mean set free. There's no doubt in my mind justice will be served! :roll:
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Originally posted by Shadrach:
Kind of the way Mike Tyson got off?
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EXACTLY! If it were you or I we'd be doing 20 to life.
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Originally posted by mankie:
Originally posted by Shadrach:
Kind of the way Mike Tyson got off?
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EXACTLY! If it were you or I we'd be doing 20 to life. [/b]
My point was that Tyson didn't get off. He went to prison. So sometimes all the money and celebrity in the world won't keep you out of jail.
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He'll get off because he's innocent of the charges.
Originally posted by mankie:
Oh I'm sure he'll get off with him being a sports celebrity and all.
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And we've learned that Mankie now officially has his 'street cred' in the state of Virginia.
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I don't even think he did it. This is just someone trying to cash in. Kobe doesn't need to rape anyone, he probably has women throwing themselves at him all the time, and he has never shown a side that would indicate a propensity to violence or rape. I feel sorry for him--right now.
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Originally posted by Celeste:
I don't even think he did it. This is just someone trying to cash in. Kobe doesn't need to rape anyone, he probably has women throwing themselves at him all the time, and he has never shown a side that would indicate a propensity to violence or rape. I feel sorry for him--right now.
Oh sure.....blame the victim.
Kobe caught the jungle fever and now he's going down.
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Originally posted by Celeste:
I don't even think he did it. This is just someone trying to cash in. Kobe doesn't need to rape anyone, he probably has women throwing themselves at him all the time, and he has never shown a side that would indicate a propensity to violence or rape. I feel sorry for him--right now.
Maybe he has the usual spoiled overpaid athlete attitude....I'm (put famous athletic celeb name here)...I can do what I want bitch, I can afford the best lawyers out there to get me off the charges, now get it in your mouth.
Just because a young woman goes to an athletes hotel room doesn't mean she deserves to get sexually assaulted....(if he did it)...doesn't even mean she wanted a bit of the hockey-pockey. Markie hangs off singers etc all the time, but he may not want to sleep with them all!
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I stand by my opinion til I hear more. It just doesn't add up...
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Originally posted by Celeste:
I stand by my opinion til I hear more. It just doesn't add up...
I wasn't trying to change your opinion.
Just because it's an athlete who has a squeaky reputation, he could still have done it, and the fact they took two weeks to press charges means they've done their homework on the case so there must be something, and a sexual assault case is harder for the victim to prove than any other crime.
I'm not saying he did it...I'm just not jumping on the "Kolbe would never do such a thing" bandwagon.
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I should also clarify that I'm not even a big Kobe fan. There are many other players I prefer...oh well...I guess we'll see what comes out...
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It could be worse, it could be Michael "shit doesn't smell, walks on water, second coming of Christs" Jordan.
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Amen, guiny.
Originally posted by Guiny:
He'll get off because he's innocent of the charges.
Originally posted by mankie:
Oh I'm sure he'll get off with him being a sports celebrity and all.
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Originally posted by Guiny:
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He'll get off because he's innocent of the charges.
You mean just like O.J. ?
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Originally posted by mankie:
You mean just like O.J. ?
More like Marion - "Bitch set me up!"
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Originally posted by mankie:
Originally posted by Guiny:
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He'll get off because he's innocent of the charges.
You mean just like O.J. ? [/b]
yeah, OJ got off because the police effed the investigation. but that happens every day, you just only hear about it when its on the news. Most of the time, its the police that fuck up getting criminals convicted.
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I don't think the cops effed up enough to get O.J. off, the evidence was overwhelming against him...I can't figure out what the jurors were thinking (being pc here for a change)
My point was simply that Bryant will get off the criminal case regardles of what happened in that hotel room, not because he's innocent, which he may be, but that's unfortunately irrelevant.
The alleged victim said today she doesn't want any money, just Kolbe Bryant to go to jail, but we'll have to wait and see how that pans out won't we.?
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Originally posted by mankie:
Just because it's an athlete who has a squeaky reputation, he could still have done it, and the fact they took two weeks to press charges means they've done their homework on the case so there must be something, and a sexual assault case is harder for the victim to prove than any other crime.
Actually Mank, two weeks in a sexual assault case usually means that they have a lot of holes in the victims story because it's much faster/easier to charge if you have indisputable evidence.
And those holes would be todays front page sports news. I wouldn't want to get into a character contest with Kobe Bryant if I were either (1) a drug user or (2) suicidal.
Report: Kobe's accuser recently overdosed
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ESPN.com news services
The Colorado woman who has accused Kobe Bryant of sexual assault overdosed on pills and was rushed to a hospital two months before the alleged incident with Bryant, one of her close friends told the Orange County Register.
Based on the 19-year-old woman's accusation, Bryant was officially charged with a single count of felony sexual assault Friday. If convicted, he faces four years to life in prison or 20 years to life on probation, and a fine of up to $750,000. Bryant is scheduled to return to Eagle, Colo., for a preliminary hearing on Aug. 6.
Bryant, 24, said Friday that he was guilty only of committing adultery.
In cases of this nature, the credibility of the accuser -- whose identity is not being revealed -- often becomes an issue. The accuser's friends have been keeping her overdose a secret -- until now, the Register reported.
"I think it was just a cry for help," 18-year-old Lindsey McKinney told the newspaper. McKinney had been living at the accuser's house in May, when the woman allegedly took the pills.
When she learned from the woman's ex-boyfriend that the woman had "overdosed," McKinney rushed to her home and found the woman incoherent, lethargic and seemingly drunk, according to the Register.
"I was scared. She wasn't really talking at all," McKinney told the newspaper. "I was like, 'you need to open your eyes.' "
Some friends of the accuser said they believed the overdose was an accident. Not McKinney.
"I don't think it was accidental. I was there," she told the Register.
Bryant's attorneys could not be reached for comment Saturday by the Register.
Tyson Ivie, a former classmate of the accuser's, told the newspaper that the overdose was "a big secret" that friends have been unwilling to talk about until now.
The police dispatch call from the night of the alleged assault is currently sealed from the public by investigators. The woman's father declined comment for the Register's story.
According to the newspaper's report, Bryant's accuser was going through an extremely difficult period in her life at the time of the overdose. She returned home from her freshman year of college to find out her ex-boyfriend had taken up with another woman. Also, around the time of the overdose, close friend Nicole Clements died in a road accident while returning from high school graduation ceremonies.
"It was kind of boom, boom, boom," McKinney told the Register. "I think the things that happened to her in the past had a lot to do with what [she said happened the night of the alleged assault]."
"I know she had been going through a lot, but I know that she wouldn't lie," 19-year-old Eagle resident Ashley Scriver told the newspaper. Scriver also knew about the the overdose.
The Register quoted legal experts as saying the news of the overdose will be a major advantage for Bryant's defense team.
"This is powerful evidence and the answer to the defense's prayers," Robert Pugsley, a criminal law professor at Southwestern University School of Law in Los Angeles, said. Pugsley added that this kind of evidence, if exploited by the defense, could be enough to shut down the case before it reaches trial.
"[Defense attorneys are] looking for a way to demonstrate that this woman is hysterical and over-reactive," Pugsley said. "This is literally dynamite evidence, a bonanza for the defense and a landmine for prosecution."
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Originally posted by mankie:
EXACTLY! If it were you or I we'd be doing 20 to life. [/b]
If it were you, you wouldnt have gotten any.
If it were I or most other people on the board, we wouldn't have a big frikin' target on our backs and there would be no charges.
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Are any of you basing your assumption of Kobe's innocence on any evidence? Or, merely assuming that women are lying gold-digging bitches and hos?
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oh come on!!!! havent we all had a boyfriend/girlfriend leave us for another and our friend die in a car wreck and then take a whole bottle of pills and almost die and then sleep with a married celebrity?
sounds like a normal week for me.
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Originally posted by ggw:
Are any of you basing your assumption of Kobe's innocence on any evidence? Or, merely assuming that women are lying gold-digging bitches and hos?
Damn ho went to his room, she was asking for it! ;)
Not quite sure what J'mal is babbling on about, but "okay, yeah, right J'mal!" :roll:
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Originally posted by ggw:
Are any of you basing your assumption of Kobe's innocence on any evidence? Or, merely assuming that women are lying gold-digging bitches and hos?
Kobe has been in the public eye for many years and yes, we do get to know something about him after all these years. His personality comes through. How often does he even foul out of a game??? And what we know about him is totally inconsistent with these allegations. That, plus the fact the woman came to his room late at night and that she's emotionally unstable, smells like bullshit.
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Originally posted by J'Mal:
Kobe has been in the public eye for many years and yes, we do get to know something about him after all these years. His personality comes through. How often does he even foul out of a game??? And what we know about him is totally inconsistent with these allegations. That, plus the fact the woman came to his room late at night and that she's emotionally unstable, smells like bullshit.
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O.J. was a stand up guy too, but he did only murder the one time...well twice actually but they were at the same time so we'll call it once and let him off.
Evidently he ordered room service and asked for that young girl to be the one to bring it up to him....hmmmmmm, that's strange!
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And where do you get that nonsense about the room service request?
So because OJ made a big frikin mess in killing two people, we need to discredit Kobe on the mere say so of some random anonymous skank with mental issues.
If it were some obscure british footballer being accused of a meter violation you'd be all over it.
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Originally posted by J'Mal:
....the mere say so of some random anonymous skank with mental issues....
Well that answers my question.
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I thought one is presumed innocent until proven guilty? Why does one need evidence to prove innocence. I will believe he's innocent until evidence that proves otherwise is presented.
Originally posted by ggw:
Are any of you basing your assumption of Kobe's innocence on any evidence? Or, merely assuming that women are lying gold-digging bitches and hos?
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Actually, OJ wasn't a stand-up guy. He had a history of spousal abuse.
But you know, those negro athletes are all the same.
Originally posted by mankie:
Originally posted by J'Mal:
Kobe has been in the public eye for many years and yes, we do get to know something about him after all these years. His personality comes through. How often does he even foul out of a game??? And what we know about him is totally inconsistent with these allegations. That, plus the fact the woman came to his room late at night and that she's emotionally unstable, smells like bullshit.
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O.J. was a stand up guy too, but he did only murder the one time...well twice actually but they were at the same time so we'll call it once and let him off.
Evidently he ordered room service and asked for that young girl to be the one to bring it up to him....hmmmmmm, that's strange! [/b]
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Originally posted by ggw:
Originally posted by J'Mal:
....the mere say so of some random anonymous skank with mental issues....
Well that answers my question. [/b]
GGW, do you realise we are on the same side of an issue!!!!!!!!! :eek: make note in your journals everyone.
Oh, J'mal...I think I figured out what you were referring to about the mankie not getting any.....you do realise that spanking the monkey while watching Baywatch reruns isn't sex don't you?
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
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I thought one is presumed innocent until proven guilty? Why does one need evidence to prove innocence. I will believe he's innocent until evidence that proves otherwise is presented.
So if you are presuming Bryant innocent you must be assuming the girl is guilty of filing false charges, so you are jumping to judgement.
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
I thought one is presumed innocent until proven guilty? Why does one need evidence to prove innocence. I will believe he's innocent until evidence that proves otherwise is presented.
Originally posted by ggw:
Are any of you basing your assumption of Kobe's innocence on any evidence? Or, merely assuming that women are lying gold-digging bitches and hos?
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Or he can do what Mark Chmura did and just hire a good attorney and not take the stand.
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
I thought one is presumed innocent until proven guilty? Why does one need evidence to prove innocence. I will believe he's innocent until evidence that proves otherwise is presented.
Originally posted by ggw:
Are any of you basing your assumption of Kobe's innocence on any evidence? Or, merely assuming that women are lying gold-digging bitches and hos?
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I'm assuming the two guys who mugged you weren't proven guilty?
So, can I safely say that you had it coming to you?
Why should we believe that you were even mugged to begin with? You are a sexual deviant after all. And you've dated deaf transsexuals. You probably weren't mugged, you probably paid those two guys for rough gay sex.
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Yes, one is presumed innocent until proven guilty, but since when does that presumption of innocence include the presumption that the accuser is guilty of being a gold-digger, crazed star-fucker or skanky ho?
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History shows us that young women who are emotionally upset and used about having a shitty one night stand will sometimes accuse their partner of rape.
I think a fucked up 19 year old has a lot less to lose than someone like Kobe. Kobe could probably have a million women in this country based on mutual consent, why would he throw his life away on one who said "no"?
Of course he's guilt. All negroes are the same. Savages who can't control themselves.
Originally posted by mankie:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
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I thought one is presumed innocent until proven guilty? Why does one need evidence to prove innocence. I will believe he's innocent until evidence that proves otherwise is presented.
So if you are presuming Bryant innocent you must be assuming the girl is guilty of filing false charges, so you are jumping to judgement. [/b]
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One of these people is necessarily lying.
So who do I think it is -- a very public person whom I have followed very closely for years, and in the process developed a strong belief that this behavior is out of character for him?
Or some star search reject from south park with a history of recent mental problems?
I'll admit I'm a long-term hard core kobe fan. But that also gives me a basis to judge his character. It would be irrational and stupid to throw out years and years of my observation of his character. That wouldn't be "neutral" or "fair," it would be deliberate blindness.
The limited information I have about his accuser indicates she's crazy. So, it makes perfect logical sense that crazy accusations against kobe come from a crazy person.
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
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Of course he's guilt. All negroes are the same. Savages who can't control themselves.
and all 19 year old girls that work in a hotel are nasty slappers out to ruin the career of a negro athlete then sue them for millions.
I don't think anyone has said they thought he was guilty, we're just saying he could be, but he'll get off regardless because of who he is.
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Originally posted by J'Mal:
One of these people is necessarily lying.
So who do I think it is -- a very public person whom I have followed very closely for years, and in the process developed a strong belief that this behavior is out of character for him?
Or some star search reject from south park with a history of recent mental problems?
I'll admit I'm a long-term hard core kobe fan. But that also gives me a basis to judge his character. It would be irrational and stupid to throw out years and years of my observation of his character. That wouldn't be "neutral" or "fair," it would be deliberate blindness.
The limited information I have about his accuser indicates she's crazy. So, it makes perfect logical sense that crazy accusations against kobe come from a crazy person.
Thank god you're not in the jury pool...hardly impartial are you?
I'm sure Mark Gastineau didn't intend to deal in illegal substances either....relatively decent people do stupid shit sometimes.
(I used Gastineau to trump Rhett's race card he was playing.)
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Originally posted by J'Mal:
One of these people is necessarily lying.
So who do I think it is -- a very public person whom I have followed very closely for years, and in the process developed a strong belief that this behavior is out of character for him?
Or some star search reject from south park with a history of recent mental problems?
I'll admit I'm a long-term hard core kobe fan. But that also gives me a basis to judge his character. It would be irrational and stupid to throw out years and years of my observation of his character. That wouldn't be "neutral" or "fair," it would be deliberate blindness.
The limited information I have about his accuser indicates she's crazy. So, it makes perfect logical sense that crazy accusations against kobe come from a crazy person.
So you're enamored of some guy because he puts a ball through a cylinder very well, and this has given you such gleaming insight into his soul that you know all his character traits and you know exactly what went on that night?
You acknowledge that you have limited information about his accuser, but clearly she's a skank?
You're a lawyer, aren't you?
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I'd give 'em a fair trial.
Right now I've got a lot of reasonable doubts about Kobe doing this. "Not Guilty" and send this star fucking whack job back to south park.
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Originally posted by ggw:
You're a lawyer, aren't you?
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Now you're talking about nasty skanks.
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Originally posted by ggw:
So you're enamored of some guy because he puts a ball through a cylinder very well, and this has given you such gleaming insight into his soul that you know all his character traits and you know exactly what went on that night?
You acknowledge that you have limited information about his accuser, but clearly she's a skank?
You're a lawyer, aren't you? [/QB]
His style of play, the things he says and does on and off the court, the way he interacts with others, what I know about his upbringing, yes, I'd say I do have some insight into his personality and rape is not part of the equation.
I also know that young girls who want to make it in show business and try out for American Idol, etc., have a certain kind of worldview, too. And am I suppose to ignore that bottle of pills she swallowed so recently?
This existentialist "how do you know anything" stuff is silly. I don't know absolutely everything, with 100% degree of certainty. But I can put 2 and 2 together and this looks like b.s.
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Mark Gastineau was a long time asshole who had a number of run-ins with the law.
Kobe Bryant seems to be in the Tiger Woods realm of personality rather than these bums (OJ, Gastineau) you try to lump him in with.
Originally posted by mankie:
Originally posted by J'Mal:
One of these people is necessarily lying.
So who do I think it is -- a very public person whom I have followed very closely for years, and in the process developed a strong belief that this behavior is out of character for him?
Or some star search reject from south park with a history of recent mental problems?
I'll admit I'm a long-term hard core kobe fan. But that also gives me a basis to judge his character. It would be irrational and stupid to throw out years and years of my observation of his character. That wouldn't be "neutral" or "fair," it would be deliberate blindness.
The limited information I have about his accuser indicates she's crazy. So, it makes perfect logical sense that crazy accusations against kobe come from a crazy person.
Thank god you're not in the jury pool...hardly impartial are you?
I'm sure Mark Gastineau didn't intend to deal in illegal substances either....relatively decent people do stupid shit sometimes.
(I used Gastineau to trump Rhett's race card he was playing.) [/b]
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Originally posted by J'Mal:
But I can put 2 and 2 together and this looks like b.s.
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2 + 2 = 4, not b.s..mind you, I was never good at algebra so you may be right.
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
[QB] Mark Gastineau was a long time asshole who had a number of run-ins with the law.
Kobe Bryant seems to be in the Tiger Woods realm of personality rather than these bums (OJ, Gastineau) you try to lump him in with.
Darrell Strawberry - negro athlete who was just hounded by the law because of his skin color, or longtime arsehole who had a number of run-ins with the law?
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Darrell Strawberry was/is a drug addict.
Originally posted by mankie:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
[QB] Mark Gastineau was a long time asshole who had a number of run-ins with the law.
Kobe Bryant seems to be in the Tiger Woods realm of personality rather than these bums (OJ, Gastineau) you try to lump him in with.
Darrell Strawberry - negro athlete who was just hounded by the law because of his skin color, or longtime arsehole who had a number of run-ins with the law? [/b]
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
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Darrell Strawberry was/is a drug addict.
Is that an excuse for his behaviour?
Did whitey put a gun to his head and shove that shit up his nose or did he do it all by himself?
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I'm not sure what your point is. I think you're just babbling to try to continue the argument.
Bottom line is that until anymore facts come out, we're not really in any position to make judgments.
Based on Kobe's character and public record, I find it hard to believe he would have done this. That's not to say he didn't do it, but I just find it difficult to believe unless you present me with hard evidence.
I would find it much easier to believe if Darrel Strawberry, Mark Gastineau, or OJ stood accused.
Originally posted by mankie:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
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Darrell Strawberry was/is a drug addict.
Is that an excuse for his behaviour?
Did whitey put a gun to his head and shove that shit up his nose or did he do it all by himself? [/b]
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
I'm not sure what your point is. I think you're just babbling to try to continue the argument.
Bottom line is that until anymore facts come out, we're not really in any position to make judgments.
That's my point exactly. Just because the sun shines out of his arse on the court, a lot of people are saying the "skanky whore stitched him up" while people like myself and GGW are saying maybe not....the fact that we haven't said he DIDN'T do it, you are all assuming we're thinking he DID, which is not the case.
You are the babbling moron in this instant with your remarks, and had I made the same negro comment markie and the other pc-sensitive board members would've all been on the "mankie's a racist pig" train. I was just keeping it going to see if the pc crew would jump in your face like they do me...but they didn't.
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Originally posted by J'Mal:
His style of play, the things he says and does on and off the court, the way he interacts with others, what I know about his upbringing, yes, I'd say I do have some insight into his personality and rape is not part of the equation.
Yeah, he's a stand-up guy. Rape -- no way. He's too honest and good natured. Like fucking around on his wife while he's away having physical therapy. That's the good-old honest Kobe we know and love. But of course, by watching his style of play you already knew he was a two-timer -- but only a passive one.
Perhaps you're just blinded by hero-worship.
Originally posted by J'Mal:
I also know that young girls who want to make it in show business and try out for American Idol, etc., have a certain kind of worldview, too. And am I suppose to ignore that bottle of pills she swallowed so recently?
How do you know this?
Please explain to me the logical connection between eating a bottle of pills and fabricating rape charges.
Originally posted by J'Mal:
This existentialist "how do you know anything" stuff is silly. I don't know absolutely everything, with 100% degree of certainty. But I can put 2 and 2 together and this looks like b.s.
You're right. This whole evidence and trial stuff is nonsense. Everybody can tell which way is up by gleaning the truth through Nike commercials and Sports Illustrated.
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I think he's arrogant on the court.
Off the court he's arrogant as well.
Still, nothing about him indicates rapist. What would his motive be?
Everything about him indicates adulterer: he's only 24, he has plenty of opportunity, etc. 24 year old NBA stars shouldn't be getting married anyway.
Originally posted by mankie:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
I'm not sure what your point is. I think you're just babbling to try to continue the argument.
Bottom line is that until anymore facts come out, we're not really in any position to make judgments.
That's my point exactly. Just because the sun shines out of his arse on the court, a lot of people are saying the "skanky whore stitched him up" while people like myself and GGW are saying maybe not....the fact that we haven't said he DIDN'T do it, you are all assuming we're thinking he DID, which is not the case.
You are the babbling moron in this instant with your remarks, and had I made the same negro comment markie and the other pc-sensitive board members would've all been on the "mankie's a racist pig" train. I was just keeping it going to see if the pc crew would jump in your face like they do me...but they didn't. [/b]
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Still, nothing about him indicates rapist. What would his motive be?
Power.
He skipped college for the power and prestige of the NBA. He won accolades and championships and then boom.... his team doesn't make it one year, his body needs repairs in the off-season..... suddenly, he's not in control anymore. What better way to get that feeling of power and control back than banging some young white local trash that works room service at the resort? Show her who's calling the shots.....whether she likes it or not.
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Well that would be YOUR motive, but what would Kobe's be?
Originally posted by ggw:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Still, nothing about him indicates rapist. What would his motive be?
Power.
He skipped college for the power and prestige of the NBA. He won accolades and championships and then boom.... his team doesn't make it one year, his body needs repairs in the off-season..... suddenly, he's not in control anymore. What better way to get that feeling of power and control back than banging some young white local trash that works room service at the resort? Show her who's calling the shots.....whether she likes it or not. [/b]
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Here's the alleged victim.
http://www.binaryreport.com/ (http://www.binaryreport.com/)
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Originally posted by ggw:
He skipped college for the power and prestige of the NBA. He won accolades and championships and then boom.... his team doesn't make it one year, his body needs repairs in the off-season..... suddenly, he's not in control anymore. What better way to get that feeling of power and control back than banging some young white local trash that works room service at the resort? Show her who's calling the shots.....whether she likes it or not. [/QB]
You obviously don't know much about basketball. Kobe's first few years in the NBA were nothing to write home about. He's had much worse years than this past one. And if Kobe wanted to take out aggression on anyone, there are much better candidates than "some young white local trash" (nice implication that Kobe is racist) -- but his stats don't show a whole lot of violence or personal fouls.
What exactly IS this Faber woman's relationship to the DA's office there? Is she related to the Asst DA?
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Mark Gastineau was a long time asshole who had a number of run-ins with the law.
breakin' the law, breakin' the law....
how is that related? i don't know, i just felt like singing.
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Originally posted by J'Mal:
You obviously don't know much about basketball. Kobe's first few years in the NBA were nothing to write home about. He's had much worse years than this past one. And if Kobe wanted to take out aggression on anyone, there are much better candidates than "some young white local trash" (nice implication that Kobe is racist) -- but his stats don't show a whole lot of violence or personal fouls.
And you clearly don't know much about life if you're judging a man on his basketball stats.
I'm not saying that my scenario is accurate, just offering a possibility that doesn't include Kobe being framed by some skanky American Idol psycho.
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Originally posted by paige:
breakin' the law, breakin' the law....
how is that related? i don't know, i just felt like singing.
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Ooh, can I join in paige?
I wanted pu**y but I, had none
I fought the law and the law won
So I got me a 19 year old hunn
I fought the law and the law won
So I ordered me some room ser'vice
I fought the law and the law won
And ended up banging on her cer'vix
I fought the law and the law won
She said no but I said shut up ho
I fought the law and the law won
She went to the pigs now I ain't squeaky Kolbe no mo!
I fought the law and the law won
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mankie, dude, you're just upset that nobody cares about your euro-soccer heros.
and yes, we can tell something about a man who plays at the very highest level of an intense physical game against bitter and determined opponents, day in, day out, and is at the low end of the game's scale of physical contact and violence.
where is kobe going to lose his temper? banging bodies with vlade and chris webber in overtime in the playoffs? or banging some skank the night before surgery? maybe this whole thing is another sacramento cheeseburger (the real basketball fans will recall kobe's last incident with room service)...
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Originally posted by J'Mal:
mankie, dude, you're just upset that nobody cares about your euro-soccer heros.
:roll: :roll: :roll:
I see tons of talk on this board all the time about soccer but very little about basketball.....not that that means anything.
Just because someone is depressive and suicidal with a history of mental illness doesn't mean that they can't be raped. If anything, they would tend be a little more likely to end up in a situation where they would be taken adavantage of and then they themselves blamed for the incident. Of course, it doesn't mean that they are beyond pulling some scam either.
It is not uncommon for someone to excell at their career and play by one set of rules, ethics and morals and practice another set in their social relationships, especially with the opposite sex. I've personally known a few of these types myself. I'm not saying that Kobe is like that. I wouldn't know. I don't know the man or anything about him but I do know that some people do split like that at times and it can be very well hidden. It's really not all that uncommon. You know, the perfect gentleman at work and the wife beater at home sort is just one example of this type.
With all that said, I have no clue what really happened and would prefer to refrain from making a judgement based on my little bit of knowledge of what the truth is in this case. I only hope that the outcome reflects the truth and not just which set of lawyers played the best game.
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and when someone is depressive and suicidal and has a history of mental illness, we don't destroy other people on her say-so.
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Originally posted by J'Mal:
and when someone is depressive and suicidal and has a history of mental illness, we don't destroy other people on her say-so.
I'm sure that the lawyers on both sides will cover a lot more angles than just say-sos. In fact, I heard sometime today that there is some strong evidence against him that involves a lot more than just hearsay. What it is, I haven't a clue. I don't know the truth and only hope that justice prevails.
Let's hope the jury is much more impartial than you are J'Mal. I don't want an innocent man convicted nor a rapist set free.
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Originally posted by J'Mal:
and when someone is depressive and suicidal and has a history of mental illness, we don't destroy other people on her say-so.
No, you use it as a ruse to discredit the evidence so your hero can walk.
Could you explain the logical connection between depression and fabricating sexual assault charges?
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According to MSNBC, FOX news, and CNN, the girl in question also bragged about the sexual encounter to her friends soon after the incident. Kobe's lawyers claim that the evidence that the prosecutors supposingly have pretty much pretty much follow through with sex that was with consent. What it is, I don't know. Could be just talk from the lawyers.
Anyone else also sick of seeing this girls friends on television all the time?
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Could you explain the logical connection between depression and fabricating sexual assault charges? [/QB]
She's unhappy, lonely, and here's her chance to get sympathy and attention. Swallowing a bottle full of pills only got 911, and mommy and daddy said it was "an accident."
Mentally stable, happy people don't make scandalous false accusations. Crazy people do.
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Originally posted by J'Mal:
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Could you explain the logical connection between depression and fabricating sexual assault charges? [/b]
She's unhappy, lonely, and here's her chance to get sympathy and attention. Swallowing a bottle full of pills only got 911, and mommy and daddy said it was "an accident."
Mentally stable, happy people don't make scandalous false accusations. Crazy people do. [/QB]
A lawyer and a psychiatrist.
Impressive.....
Hopefully we'll find out the truth eventually, but I'm amazed how many people think they "know" everything about the character of a sports celebrity just through the image that a celebrity's handlers have portrayed.
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
A lawyer and a psychiatrist.
Impressive.....
Hopefully we'll find out the truth eventually, but I'm amazed how many people think they "know" everything about the character of a sports celebrity just through the image that a celebrity's handlers have portrayed.
christ ggw, its not about image, cant you figure it out the answer is clearly
personal fouls / league average = likelihood to commit rape
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I think J'Mals argument about Kobe not getting into foul trouble on the court as an indicator that he is not a violent rapist is laughable.
Etan Thomas is always in foul trouble, yet off the court he seems to be like a gentle giant...at least appeared to be when he did his poetry gig at the anti-death penalty rally I attended.
Conversely, Wilt Chamberlain was callous enough to go around and fuck 20,000 women (no, he didn't rape any of them, but still I would argue that someone who fucks 20,000 women probably doesn't have much feelings in his heart or a high regard for women), yet never fouled out in his 14 year career.
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Don't forget Magic Johnson exposing his wife to AIDS after banging everything in sight. He's really an inspiration to us all -- a great humanitarian.
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Bashing Magic *and* Kobe, what are you a celtics fan :mad: ?
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Did Magic expose his wife to AIDS after he tested positive? Well if he did, it was a mutual choice, since they both knew he tested positive.
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Originally posted by J'Mal:
Bashing Magic *and* Kobe, what are you a celtics fan :mad: ?
RANGERS! RANGERS! RANGERS!
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Originally posted by JoyMonster:
Here's the alleged victim.
http://www.binaryreport.com/ (http://www.binaryreport.com/)
not her - http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/internet/07/25/bryant.misidentified.ap/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/internet/07/25/bryant.misidentified.ap/index.html)
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Originally posted by Robert Pollard:
Originally posted by JoyMonster:
Here's the alleged victim.
http://www.binaryreport.com/ (http://www.binaryreport.com/)
not her - http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/internet/07/25/bryant.misidentified.ap/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/internet/07/25/bryant.misidentified.ap/index.html) [/b]
She's here
http://www.globemagazine.com/ (http://www.globemagazine.com/)
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Originally posted by JoyMonster:
Originally posted by Robert Pollard:
Originally posted by JoyMonster:
Here's the alleged victim.
http://www.binaryreport.com/ (http://www.binaryreport.com/)
not her - http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/internet/07/25/bryant.misidentified.ap/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/internet/07/25/bryant.misidentified.ap/index.html) [/b]
She's here
http://www.globemagazine.com/ (http://www.globemagazine.com/) [/b]
A better look is here.
http://kiwibox.matchstudents.com/ (http://kiwibox.matchstudents.com/)
It has been confirmed by all of the news agencies, but with a block over her eyes.