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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: on July 13, 2006, 09:21:00 am
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Poast 'em.
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Pearl Jam (http://www.mp3.tv/articles/article_popup_with_history.php?id=1574)
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Cloud Cult (http://www.treehugger.com/files/2005/12/cloud_cult_gree.php)
But I hope you're being sarcastic, Wolf. Bands that show commitment to the environment (and other worthy causes) are a-ok in my book.
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Originally posted by jude376:
Cloud Cult (http://www.treehugger.com/files/2005/12/cloud_cult_gree.php)
But I hope you're being sarcastic, Wolf. Bands that show commitment to the environment (and other worthy causes) are a-ok in my book.
Does it mean that you have swallowed the enviro bullshit hook, line and sinker? Those bands don't care about the environment, they care about their image.
<img src="http://www.sayagain.co.uk/b3tapix/images/Emo_Suicide_Camp.gif" alt=" - " />
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what i don't understand is why "conservatives" swallow the corporate ostrich-head-in-the-sand position on climate change hook-line-and-sinker ... i mean, it makes total sense for corporations to look out for their own interests and hire scientists to spew bullshit (although it's increasingly becoming clear that leading green innovation IS good for the bottom line -- and not just PR)
but why do conservatives blindly follow the corporations? is it aversion to the regulatory powers proposed to help the problem? simple contrarion-ism? i think reasonable people can debate the solutions (regulation v. free market solutions), but the real scientific debate over the problem of climate change is over
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Originally posted by HoyaSaxa08:
the real scientific debate over the problem of climate change is over
Global warming is REAL, because Hoya believes in it. Game over.
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Originally posted by Wolf N.Eagleburger:
Originally posted by HoyaSaxa08:
the real scientific debate over the problem of climate change is over
Global warming is REAL, because Hoya believes in it. Game over. [/b]
*golf clap*
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Originally posted by Wolf N.Eagleburger:
Poast 'em.
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Pearl Jam (http://www.mp3.tv/articles/article_popup_with_history.php?id=1574)
Actually i'm really glad they are doing something along these lines, as it was annoying to see all of the idling semi's outside their venues
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Originally posted by Wolf N.Eagleburger:
Does it mean that you have swallowed the enviro bullshit hook, line and sinker? Those bands don't care about the environment, they care about their image.
Why is it so hard for you to believe that bands can have a genuine interest in being environmentally responsible?
At least in Cloud Cult's case, the lead singer - Craig Minowa - has a long history of environmental activism. A history that predates his music. It has nothing to do with image; it has everything to do with acting in a way consistent with his convictions.
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Originally posted by jude376:
Why is it so hard for you to believe that bands can have a genuine interest in being environmentally responsible?
he doesn't want to debate you, he just wants to get your panties in a bunch ... the wierdest part is that he probably actually believes the crap he spews
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Originally posted by HoyaSaxa08:
Originally posted by jude376:
Why is it so hard for you to believe that bands can have a genuine interest in being environmentally responsible?
he doesn't want to debate you, he just wants to get your panties in a bunch ... the wierdest part is that he probably actually believes the crap he spews [/b]
I know there are boardies that get off on rilin' people up just for the fun of it... But it's hard not to respond when it's something you feel strongly about. I appreciate the support, Hoya :)
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Bad Religion
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Originally posted by ggwâ?˘:
Bad Religion
i agree, this is a great Bill Moyers article (http://www.badreligion.com/news/essays.php?id=17)
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Originally posted by HoyaSaxa08:
what i don't understand is why "conservatives" swallow the corporate position on climate change
but why do conservatives blindly follow the corporations?
Why are you trying to paint me as a conservative who loves big corporations? Nothing could be further from the truth.
You really DO believe passionately in an awful lot of hooey for someone purporting himself as educated. "Global warming" has not been conclusively proven scientifically. It's not like the "theory of evolution" which has reached the status of scientific fact over the years. Global warming is still not a proven fact. It's a theory. And not all climate scientists (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0521010683/ref=pd_bxgy_text_b/102-9398484-5381766?ie=UTF8) subscribe to it.
www.amazon.com/gp/product/0691057753/sr=1-7/qid=1152816940/ref=sr_1_7/102-9398484-5381766?ie=UTF8&s=books (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0691057753/sr=1-7/qid=1152816940/ref=sr_1_7/102-9398484-5381766?ie=UTF8&s=books)
If you really want to help reduce the production of global hydrocarbons why don't you start by purchasing less CDs?
I suppose now you're gonna get out your usual bag of tricks and start calling me a stormfront skinhead..?
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Originally posted by HoyaSaxa08:
Originally posted by jude376:
Why is it so hard for you to believe that bands can have a genuine interest in being environmentally responsible?
he doesn't want to debate you, he just wants to get your panties in a bunch ... the wierdest part is that he probably actually believes the crap he spews [/b]
Go fuck yourself, asshole.
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Come on guys. Plug it up. Don't get Kosmo rushing in here to lock up this thread. Go off into your respective corners, count to ten....eleven, and then wander off into another thread. We have way too much fucking warring going on on this dear planet as it is. Let's try to at least pretend we are all on the same side. Please?
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Originally posted by Wolf N.Eagleburger:
Go fuck yourself, asshole.
*golf clap*
well done
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Originally posted by Wolf N.Eagleburger:
Global warming is still not a proven fact. It's a theory. And not all climate scientists (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0521010683/ref=pd_bxgy_text_b/102-9398484-5381766?ie=UTF8) subscribe to it.
Maybe not all climate scientists, but the vast majority of them. Plus, that dude that wrote that book is a political scientist, not a climate scientist.
Read this. (http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/306/5702/1686)
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Originally posted by Wolf N.Eagleburger:
And not all climate scientists (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0521010683/ref=pd_bxgy_text_b/102-9398484-5381766?ie=UTF8) subscribe to it.
not trying to contribute to the ugliness, just a polite discussion ... but you realize that bjorn lomborg has been discredited, right?
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not trying to be a dick, but i worked on this stuff:
http://newsroom.wri.org/mediakits_contents.cfm?MediaKitID=1 (http://newsroom.wri.org/mediakits_contents.cfm?MediaKitID=1)
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hot hot heat?
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sorry, this is a more comprehensive debunking
http://www.grist.org/advice/books/2001/12/12/of/index.html (http://www.grist.org/advice/books/2001/12/12/of/index.html)
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Originally posted by corporal clegg:
hot hot heat?
lol
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I didn't like Pearl Jam, but I am starting to like them now that it is mentioned that they care about global warming.
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Originally posted by HoyaSaxa08:
not trying to be a dick, but i worked on this stuff:
http://newsroom.wri.org/mediakits_contents.cfm?MediaKitID=1 (http://newsroom.wri.org/mediakits_contents.cfm?MediaKitID=1)
Itâ??s true, you donâ??t have to work very hard in trying to be a dick. Thanks for all of the scholarly critiques you referenced! Have you read much E.O.Wilson? Itâ??s nice to see you professionally contributing to the discourse at hand. Iâ??m sure that your scientific credentials are more than sterlingâ?¦what are your scientific credentials, btw?
You can massage the data all that you wish. That will not change the fact that the theory of global warming due to the intervention of homo sapiens is unproven. And it will not change the fact that rock stars are self indulgent glory hounds who like to preen and polish their own facades with the blood of starving Ethiopians. Yeah, right, Phil Collins really cares about starving skeletons. Thatâ??s why he flew the Concorde so he could play in Philadelphia. I wonder how much carbon dioxide Live Aid generated? Save the whales, save those snails! Blame George Harrison for spawning phony rock star â??global awarenessâ??. Yeah, Pearl Jam are really sharing and caring dudes. Did you notice the hatâ?¦genuine hemp fiber. Those dudes really care a lot about the environment. When they tour Shangai next year they are gonna use rickshaws instead of idling diesels.
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Drivin' N' Cryin' ?
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Originally posted by Barcelona:
I didn't like Pearl Jam, but I am starting to like them now that it is mentioned that they care about global warming.
hehehehe
hahahaha
:)
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Originally posted by Wolf N.Eagleburger:
Originally posted by HoyaSaxa08:
not trying to be a dick, but i worked on this stuff:
http://newsroom.wri.org/mediakits_contents.cfm?MediaKitID=1 (http://newsroom.wri.org/mediakits_contents.cfm?MediaKitID=1)
Itâ??s true, you donâ??t have to work very hard in trying to be a dick. Thanks for all of the scholarly critiques you referenced! Have you read much E.O.Wilson? Itâ??s nice to see you professionally contributing to the discourse at hand. Iâ??m sure that your scientific credentials are more than sterlingâ?¦what are your scientific credentials, btw?
You can massage the data all that you wish. That will not change the fact that the theory of global warming due to the intervention of homo sapiens is unproven. And it will not change the fact that rock stars are self indulgent glory hounds who like to preen and polish their own facades with the blood of starving Ethiopians. Yeah, right, Phil Collins really cares about starving skeletons. Thatâ??s why he flew the Concorde so he could play in Philadelphia. I wonder how much carbon dioxide Live Aid generated? Save the whales, save those snails! Blame George Harrison for spawning phony rock star â??global awarenessâ??. Yeah, Pearl Jam are really sharing and caring dudes. Did you notice the hatâ?¦genuine hemp fiber. Those dudes really care a lot about the environment. When they tour Shangai next year they are gonna use rickshaws instead of idling diesels.
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talk about a tiresome, meandering post!!!!!
the ONLY thing worth reading was "theory of global warming due to the intervention of homo sapiens is unproven" and thats just for comic value. a theory, unproven? no shit? whoodathunkit!!!
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Originally posted by Wolf N.Eagleburger:
Iâ??m sure that your scientific credentials are more than sterlingâ?¦what are your scientific credentials, btw?
i worked for an environmental think-tank, helping to publicize our scientists' work, and helping to translate the work of our institute to the media and laypeople
yourself?
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Originally posted by Wolf N.Eagleburger:
And it will not change the fact that rock stars are self indulgent glory hounds who like to preen and polish their own facades with the blood of starving Ethiopians.
and i totally agree with you on this ... i can't stand most celebrity environmentalists, they're invariably ill-informed and hypocritical ... but morons sure do listen to them, so i guess they help
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Dinosaur Jr. ?
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Originally posted by Wolf N.Eagleburger:
Blame George Harrison for spawning phony rock star â??global awarenessâ??.
Are you effing serious? You just blasphemed a Beatle. Why is it so abhorrent for celebrities to use their fame to raise awareness (and money) for good causes - causes that may even be (gasp!) near and dear to their hearts? Would you prefer they hoarded their money, spending it all on worthless crap?
Harrison cared very deeply about the situation in Bangladesh. All royalties from the sale of The Concert for Bangladesh (http://www.concertforbangladesh.com/) to this day still go to UNICEF. Later on, he even established his own charitable foundation, The Material World Foundation (http://www.georgeharrison.com/mwf/).
Harrison phoney? That's just ridiculous. :roll:
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Jewel cases are not environmentally friendly nor are biodegradeable. A typical CD jewelcase is made up of 85 grams of PolyVinyl Chloride (PVC). When the CD case is no longer needed, it either sits for thousands of years in landfills or is incinerated, which releases dioxin into the atmosphere, one of the most toxic carcinogens on the planet. A single 1,000 order of replicated CDs, using standard plastic jewel cases creates nearly 200 lbs. of one of the most dangerously toxic chemicals on the planet today.
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Nice facts but downloading from eMusic does require the use of jewel cases... Why don't you dig up some facts on how bad for the environment the Internet is?
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
Nice facts but downloading from eMusic does require the use of jewel cases
It does? How so?
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well i could go back and edit my orginial post, but as usually the brain was going faster than the fingers..
revised statement
Nice facts but downloading from eMusic doesn't require the need of jewel cases... and eMusic is something that Hoya and I use thus resulting in less jewel cases having to be made! plus La La is allowing the swapping of disc thus resulting in even more jewel cases being made.
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Originally posted by Wolf N.Eagleburger:
Jewel cases are not environmentally friendly nor are biodegradeable. A typical CD jewelcase is made up of 85 grams of PolyVinyl Chloride (PVC). When the CD case is no longer needed, it either sits for thousands of years in landfills or is incinerated, which releases dioxin into the atmosphere, one of the most toxic carcinogens on the planet. A single 1,000 order of replicated CDs, using standard plastic jewel cases creates nearly 200 lbs. of one of the most dangerously toxic chemicals on the planet today.
You're missing the point. Obviously, it is impossible to live in a way that has a zero impact on the environment. But you do have choices. And you can minimize your impact by choosing the more environmentally friendly option.
Specifically regarding your jewel case example, some bands have forgone plastic jewel cases in favor of cardboard ones. To go back to my environmental posterchild band Cloud Cult, they use re-used jewel cases, print their inserts on recycled paper, and even use non-PVC shrink wrap. And like kosmo mentioned, we now have the option of buying music online, eliminating the need for packaging completely.
When there isn't an environmentally friendly option, you can use your consumer power to demand it. Remember when CDs used to come encapsulated in those useless long carboard boxes? Ever wonder why they stopped doing that? Pressure from environmentally-minded consumers, that's why.
New York Times Article (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/c/containers_and_packaging/index.html?query=SHOPLIFTING&field=des&match=exact)
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Originally posted by jude376:
Originally posted by Wolf N.Eagleburger:
Jewel cases are not environmentally friendly nor are biodegradeable. A typical CD jewelcase is made up of 85 grams of PolyVinyl Chloride (PVC). When the CD case is no longer needed, it either sits for thousands of years in landfills or is incinerated, which releases dioxin into the atmosphere, one of the most toxic carcinogens on the planet. A single 1,000 order of replicated CDs, using standard plastic jewel cases creates nearly 200 lbs. of one of the most dangerously toxic chemicals on the planet today.
You're missing the point. Obviously, it is impossible to live in a way that has a zero impact on the environment. But you do have choices. And you can minimize your impact by choosing the more environmentally friendly option.
Specifically regarding your jewel case example, some bands have forgone plastic jewel cases in favor of cardboard ones. To go back to my environmental posterchild band Cloud Cult, they use re-used jewel cases, print their inserts on recycled paper, and even use non-PVC shrink wrap. And like kosmo mentioned, we now have the option of buying music online, eliminating the need for packaging completely.
When there isn't an environmentally friendly option, you can use your consumer power to demand it. Remember when CDs used to come encapsulated in those useless long carboard boxes? Ever wonder why they stopped doing that? Pressure from environmentally-minded consumers, that's why.
New York Times Article (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/c/containers_and_packaging/index.html?query=SHOPLIFTING&field=des&match=exact) [/b]
I'll bet you are a lot of fun at parties...
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Originally posted by Wolf N.Eagleburger:
I'll bet you are a lot of fun at parties...
Friendly, well-informed people usually are.
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Originally posted by jude376:
Originally posted by Wolf N.Eagleburger:
I'll bet you are a lot of fun at parties...
Friendly, well-informed people usually are. [/b]
Sometimes the jokes write themselves.
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