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Title: Best album of the nineties
Post by: Barcelona on February 10, 2003, 01:33:00 am: I know that some of you might be bored about this type of topics, but I was listening to this album now and I think it is the best album of the nineties (and of course there is nothing in the last three years that gets close to it).Breeders - POD
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Post by: myuman on February 10, 2003, 07:34:00 am: I know this goes a tad bit over the "pop" lines for this board, but I tossed it in the player over the weekend and was amazed again: Radiohead Ok Computer. Just something about that Paranoid android- Letdown-Lucky-Fitter happier mixing bowl style of this album that makes me keep listening.
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Post by: sonickteam2 on February 10, 2003, 09:47:00 am: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by myuman: I know this goes a tad bit over the "pop" lines for this board, but I tossed it in the player over the weekend and was amazed again: Radiohead Ok Computer.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> you want pop? best album of the nineties, U2's Achtung Baby, or the first RATM. there, i said it, now call me a teenybopper or something!
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Post by: Guiny on February 10, 2003, 09:52:00 am: Psalm 69 by Ministry, but i havent had alot of time to think about the question, thats just the first one that came to mind. Obviously Nevermind by Nirvana was a great one.
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Post by: Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer on February 10, 2003, 09:55:00 am: Too Far to Care...Old 97's
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Post by: Joymonster on February 10, 2003, 10:17:00 am: "Souvlaki"- SlowdiveThe only CD from the 90's that I play on a regular basis. "Mezzanine" from Massive Attack is a close second.
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Post by: bungle bud on February 10, 2003, 10:42:00 am: easy. ONLY FOREVER-PURESSENCE
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Post by: paige on February 10, 2003, 10:54:00 am: greenday - dookie. well its one of my favorites... maybe not THE BEST
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Post by: Mobius on February 10, 2003, 11:28:00 am: I'll call OK Computer and raise you The Bends, MBV Loveless, and Verve Urban Hymns.
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Post by: jadetree on February 10, 2003, 11:29:00 am: I was listening to Souvlaki and Too Far to Care yesterday, good albums but definitely not the best IMHO. Then again I cant think of one that sticks out as the best.
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Post by: grotty on February 10, 2003, 12:18:00 pm: love the Urban Hymns nominationI'd throw in Afghan Whigs ~ Gentlemen...a personal favorite
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Post by: ratioci nation on February 10, 2003, 12:28:00 pm: Sponge - Wax Ecstatic
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Post by: kosmo vinyl on February 10, 2003, 12:57:00 pm: Primal Scream - Vanishing Point (only because it's a little more focused than "Screamadelica")
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Post by: keithstg on February 10, 2003, 02:07:00 pm: Flaming Lips "The Soft Bulletin", and I'll second (or third) "OK Computer".
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Post by: Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer on February 10, 2003, 02:12:00 pm: Not that I'm a big fan of any of their music, but I find the Bends much more listenable than OK Computer.
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Post by: markie on February 10, 2003, 02:25:00 pm: How about,Blur: ParklifeVerve: Urban hymnsotherwise I would give an additional vote for mezzanine. Anyone got Massive Attacks new album yet? I will be looking for mine later.
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Post by: BookerT on February 10, 2003, 02:37:00 pm: the correct answer is "in the aeroplane over the sea" by neutral milk hotel.
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Post by: jadetree on February 10, 2003, 02:38:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by BookerT: the correct answer is "in the aeroplane over the sea" by neutral milk hotel. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>one I can finally somewhat agree with
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Post by: kosmo vinyl on February 10, 2003, 03:09:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by markie: How about,Blur: ParklifeVerve: Urban hymnsotherwise I would give an additional vote for mezzanine. Anyone got Massive Attacks new album yet? I will be looking for mine later.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> well if entertainment weekly's to believe the new massive attack is a real snoozerThere's a thin line between clever and torpid, to paraphase Spinal Tap, and Massive Attack finally cross it on this drowsy return after a five-year layoff. Featuring only one founding member and absent the hip-hop trances of past albums, 100th window is a series of often still-born soundscapes. Guest Sinead O'Connor can't decide whether she wants to parody herself(the simplistic, save-the-children rant of "A Prayer for England") or be alt-rock's Enya(her other, more placid contributions). Beautically recorded, but so are most New Age records. (Grade C)
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Post by: Lamb007 on February 10, 2003, 03:13:00 pm: Superdrag "Head Trip In Every Key"
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Post by: Fico on February 10, 2003, 03:16:00 pm: I'd say:Oasis-Definitely Maybe Nevermind- Nirvana New Radicals- Maybe you've been Brainwashed Too Radiohead- the Bends Smashing Pumpkins- Siamese Dream
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Post by: markie on February 10, 2003, 03:18:00 pm: back to massive attack...... <A HREF="http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/fridayreview/story/0,12102,889908,00.html" TARGET=_blank>http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/fridayreview/story/0,12102,889908,00.html[/url] Well the guardian does not entirely approve either and I guess if it was a new album by a new band it would either get a real roasting or be completely ignored.Still with a back-catalogue as good as theirs, well I want to find out for myself what it is like.
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Post by: Relaxer on February 10, 2003, 03:24:00 pm: MBV - Loveless Verve - Northern Soul Radiohead - Bends Portishead - Dummy Pavement - S&EPersonal fave: Luna - Penthouse
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Post by: jadetree on February 10, 2003, 03:34:00 pm: Neutral Milk Hotel - In The Aeroplane over the See Wilco - Being There Son Volt - Trace Smashing Pumpkins - Siamese Dream Guided by Voices - Mag Earwhig! Pearl Jam - No Code Weezer - Blue Album Modest Mouse - This Is a Long Drive for Someone With Nothing to Think Aboutoh and the best Jeff Buckley - Grace [This message has been edited by jadetree (edited 02-10-2003).]
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Post by: keithstg on February 10, 2003, 03:45:00 pm: I had forgotten about Penthouse. What a great disc. Hopefully Luna will come around again soon.
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Post by: Dandy01 on February 10, 2003, 03:53:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by markie: back to massive attack...... <A HREF="http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/fridayreview/story/0,12102,889908,00.html" TARGET=_blank>http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/fridayreview/story/0,12102,889908,00.html[/url] Well the guardian does not entirely approve either and I guess if it was a new album by a new band it would either get a real roasting or be completely ignored.Still with a back-catalogue as good as theirs, well I want to find out for myself what it is like.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I saw Massive Attack's video for their first single and found myself captivated, both by the video and the music. The song was mellow and electronically entrancing, don't remember any outstanding vocals, and the video was a interesting depiction of life progression from fetus to adult and then back again. I wouldn't write this album off yet. I hear it also incorporates more middle eastern sounds than previously, don't know if that is necessarily a good thing. Hopefully, the lack of most of the original members doesn't translate into a sorely audible loss.
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Post by: Justin Tonation on February 10, 2003, 04:00:00 pm: Eric Matthews "It's Heavy In Here"
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Post by: BookerT on February 10, 2003, 04:03:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by keithstg: Hopefully Luna will come around again soon.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>If there is one band you don't have to worry if they will come around again soon or not, it is undoubtedly luna. I think they play the area 6-8 times a year. It's ridiculous.
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Post by: kosmo vinyl on February 10, 2003, 04:09:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by beetsnotbeats: Eric Matthews "It's Heavy In Here"<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>good choice.... have you heard Cardinal it's a stunner as well
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Post by: BookerT on February 10, 2003, 04:20:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by keithstg: Hopefully Luna will come around again soon.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>If there is one band you don't have to worry if they will come around again soon or not, it is undoubtedly luna. I think they play the area 6-8 times a year. It's ridiculous.
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Post by: Herr Professor Doktor Doom on February 10, 2003, 04:45:00 pm: "OK Computer" and "Siamese Dream" both have moments of brilliance, but as a whole, they are seriously overrated.
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Post by: keithstg on February 10, 2003, 04:57:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by BookerT: If there is one band you don't have to worry if they will come around again soon or not, it is undoubtedly luna. I think they play the area 6-8 times a year. It's ridiculous. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Good point - they are always around, it seems. More so if you make the drive to NYC...
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Post by: wingelbert humptyback on February 10, 2003, 05:19:00 pm: i dont think i could pick a best album of the 90s, but off the top of my head some of my favorites would be:radiohead - the bends kent - isola sunny day real estate - diary the charlatans - some friendlyas for Massive Attack, I'd be surprised if the new album manages to do anything noteworthy. I think it'd take a lot of revinventing at this point for them to redefine themselves beyond the limits of the very genre of music they helped pioneer. trip hop is just on it's last legs and they're going to need a lot more than some Eastern instrumentation (something that's been done to death in both Trip Hop and electronic music in general) to really blow people's minds. On the other hand, losing most of their members couldn't possibly devastate their sound any more than it did to Gus Gus. [This message has been edited by wingelbert humptyback (edited 02-10-2003).]
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Post by: markie on February 10, 2003, 05:26:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by wingelbert humptyback: as for Massive Attack, I'd be surprised if the new album manages to do anything noteworthy. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Well Mezzanine was rather fine, and noteworthy. That album only featured two of the original members. I dont see why this album or future albums should not be great.
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Post by: chills on February 10, 2003, 05:27:00 pm: Sugar's Beaster ranks on the top of my list (although i guess it was technically an EP at a borderline 30 minutes). For me, it seemed to really sum up the dismal reaction to the flamboyant 80's in a way that wasn't just radio-grunge. Plus, arguably, it was the last decent creative expression from Bob Mould, which is kinda too bad.
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Post by: wingelbert humptyback on February 10, 2003, 05:45:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by markie: Well Mezzanine was rather fine, and noteworthy. That album only featured two of the original members. I dont see why this album or future albums should not be great.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Maybe I am too much of a pessimist, but I think Mezzanine was released at a point when there was still room left for growth in that genre. Now it's 2003, and trip hop seems to me like it's been sucked dry. Besides, Mezzanine had Liz Frasier on it. That automatically means it's a better album. =)
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Post by: grotty on February 10, 2003, 05:48:00 pm: [Eric Matthews "It's Heavy In Here"]Hmmm...haven't listened to that one in a while. I think I'll go give it a spin.
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Post by: markie on February 10, 2003, 06:21:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by wingelbert humptyback: Maybe I am too much of a pessimist, but I think Mezzanine was released at a point when there was still room left for growth in that genre. Now it's 2003, and trip hop seems to me like it's been sucked dry. Besides, Mezzanine had Liz Frasier on it. That automatically means it's a better album. =)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>like that then RnR should have had the decency to die in 1969? By that point almost everything had been done, right?I dont think you can predict an end of a genre so easily. Perhaps later additions to the genre are less novel, but it does not mean they are without merit. Or perhaps they will kick start a whole new genre, like blue lines did.Oh and BTW its Liz Fraser. Personally I like Tracey Thorn and Horace Andy
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Post by: wingelbert humptyback on February 10, 2003, 06:58:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by markie: I dont think you can predict an end of a genre so easily. Perhaps later additions to the genre are less novel, but it does not mean they are without merit. Or perhaps they will kick start a whole new genre, like blue lines did.Oh and BTW its Liz Fraser. Personally I like Tracey Thorn and Horace Andy <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Ah, that is a massively unforgiving type-o, but it happens. I'll never listen to "This Love" the same way again, I assure you. Anyway, I agree that it sounds somewhat silly to predict the end of a genre, but it does happen. And either way, I wasn't predicting it's demise as much as noting it's running on fumes. Personally, the fact trip hop was so novel and forward thinking during it's inception is much of what drew me to it in the first place. Once Babyfox died off and Lamb began rehashing their own breakthrough ideas, I began to lose interest. The fact is there were a handful of artists pushing the envelope there and I have trouble accepting the meager remains who seem quite content with just regurgitating "Blue Lines". That's just my opinion.
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Post by: happiness is all the rage on February 10, 2003, 07:00:00 pm: i love dookie too... but being the huuuuge TPR fan that i am, i'm going to go with Very Emergency. call it pop all you want... i lurve it <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by paige: greenday - dookie. well its one of my favorites... maybe not THE BEST<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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Post by: markie on February 10, 2003, 07:05:00 pm: but isnt the point that everyone wishes they would regurgitate blue lines, but instead they are taking different musical avenues?The reviews of this album sure dont sound like blue lines to me.Personally I am not a big trip-hop expert. But blue lines and meazzanine were part of lifes soundtrack back home.
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Post by: Venerable Bede on February 10, 2003, 09:26:00 pm: my favourites from the 90s:red house painters- self titled (rollercoaster)pavement- crooked rain crooked rainguided by voices- bee thousandsmall factory- for if you cannot flysugar- copper bluelow- the curtain hits the castluna- penthouse (i second that)there are probably a ton i'm forgetting, but that's off the top of my head.[This message has been edited by Venerable Bede (edited 02-10-2003).]
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Post by: myuman on February 10, 2003, 10:20:00 pm: To add to my OK computer vote, since I didn't see it here... would be Ten by PJ. I was in college at the time, and thought Nirvana stunk, but for some reason, this album got continuous play for... well, I still listen to it at times. I remember thinking that it was the first grunge (more pop grunge) that I took to... and certainly more listener friendly than Green River and Mudhoney.
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Post by: walkman on February 10, 2003, 10:46:00 pm: My Bloody Valentine â?? Loveless, hands (and heads) down.Mercury Rev â?? Deserter's Songs is another one that's up there...I haven't seen it posted yet.
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Post by: colonoscopy on February 10, 2003, 11:59:00 pm: Hot Hot Heat - Makeup The Breakdown Aesop Rock - Labor Days Sage Francis - Personal Journals DJ Spooky - Riddim Warfare I'm getting Verklemped, talks amongst yourselves.
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Post by: Joymonster on February 11, 2003, 01:18:00 am: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by colonoscopy: Hot Hot Heat - Makeup The Breakdown Aesop Rock - Labor Days Sage Francis - Personal Journals DJ Spooky - Riddim Warfare<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>With the exception of "Riddim Warfare", none of those albums were released in the 90's.
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Post by: colonoscopy on February 11, 2003, 01:34:00 am: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Joymonster: With the exception of "Riddim Warfare", none of those albums were released in the 90's.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Wait we aren't in the nineties anymore?Alright Pee on My Parade.and make me feel like an idiot.Wu Tang - Enter the 36 chambers Pharcyde - Bizarre Ride II Oukast - ATLiens but enough with rap. These aren't the best, just the first that come to mind.
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Post by: Joymonster on February 11, 2003, 09:21:00 am: Ahh... best hip hop release from the 90's:Nas- "Illmatic"
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Post by: Henry Dark on February 11, 2003, 09:44:00 am: PE Fear of a Black Planet <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Joymonster: Ahh... best hip hop release from the 90's:Nas- "Illmatic" <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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Post by: Captain Jack on February 11, 2003, 10:11:00 am: Soundgarden - Superunknown
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Post by: keithstg on February 11, 2003, 10:36:00 am: Aside from Nas's "Illmatic", Tribe's Low End Theory deserves a nod as one of the top rap albums of the 90s.
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Post by: Relaxer on February 11, 2003, 11:22:00 am: For best hip-hop album in the 90s, I'd rank'em as:1. Nas - Illmatic 2. Wu Tang - 36 Chambers 3. PE - Fear of a Black Planet 4. Notorious BIG - Ready to Die 5. JayZ - Reasonable Doubt 6. Tribe Called Quest - Low End Theory 7. DMX - Its Dark and Hell is Hot 8. De La Soul - Is Dead 9. 2Pac - All Eyez on Me 10. Raekwon - Only Built 4 Cuban Linx
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Post by: chills on February 11, 2003, 11:56:00 am: My Bloody Valentine â?? Loveless, hands (and heads) down.huh, I thought that was late 80's, but it was 1991. Good one. That is just a fabulous album.
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Post by: colonoscopy on February 11, 2003, 11:19:00 pm: how come i see an exclusion of any OutKast from the hip hop lists? ...except mine.[This message has been edited by colonoscopy (edited 02-11-2003).]
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Post by: paige on February 11, 2003, 11:26:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Relaxer: For best hip-hop album in the 90s, I'd rank'em as:1. Nas - Illmatic 2. Wu Tang - 36 Chambers 3. PE - Fear of a Black Planet 4. Notorious BIG - Ready to Die 5. JayZ - Reasonable Doubt 6. Tribe Called Quest - Low End Theory 7. DMX - Its Dark and Hell is Hot 8. De La Soul - Is Dead 9. 2Pac - All Eyez on Me 10. Raekwon - Only Built 4 Cuban Linx<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>no j5?
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Post by: Joymonster on February 12, 2003, 12:18:00 am: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Relaxer: For best hip-hop album in the 90s, I'd rank'em as:1. Nas - Illmatic 2. Wu Tang - 36 Chambers 3. PE - Fear of a Black Planet 4. Notorious BIG - Ready to Die 5. JayZ - Reasonable Doubt 6. Tribe Called Quest - Low End Theory 7. DMX - Its Dark and Hell is Hot 8. De La Soul - Is Dead 9. 2Pac - All Eyez on Me 10. Raekwon - Only Built 4 Cuban Linx<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>My list would be similar except I would had replaced De La Soul and DMX with Pete Rock &C.L. Smooth "Mecca and The Soul Brother", and Black Moon "Enta Da Stage".
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Post by: Barcelona on February 12, 2003, 02:19:00 am: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Venerable Bede: my favourites from the 90s:red house painters- self titled (rollercoaster)pavement- crooked rain crooked rainguided by voices- bee thousandsmall factory- for if you cannot flysugar- copper bluelow- the curtain hits the castluna- penthouse (i second that)there are probably a ton i'm forgetting, but that's off the top of my head.[This message has been edited by Venerable Bede (edited 02-10-2003).]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> You put Low and Luna at the same level as Pavement's "crooked rain crooked rain"? Are you sure? I saw Low and Luna last year at the Blackcat and I think they were two of the worst shows I saw.
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Post by: BLACKSTORM on February 12, 2003, 08:55:00 am: VERVE - A STROM IN HEAVENOASIS - DEFINATELY MAYBEFAITH NO MORE - ANGEL DUSTCHRIS ISSAK - FOREVER BLUERADIOHEAD - THE BENDS (ALL THE REST OF THEIR ALBUMS SUCK!)RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE - EVIL EMPIRE
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Post by: jadetree on February 12, 2003, 08:59:00 am: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by BLACKSTORM: VERVE - A STROM IN HEAVENOASIS - DEFINATELY MAYBEFAITH NO MORE - ANGEL DUSTCHRIS ISSAK - FOREVER BLUERADIOHEAD - THE BENDS (ALL THE REST OF THEIR ALBUMS SUCK!)RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE - EVIL EMPIRE<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Forever Blue and Evil Empire are not even the best albums of the nineties from those artists.
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Post by: Relaxer on February 12, 2003, 09:36:00 am: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by paige: no j5?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I don't really consider them a 90s band, as my favorite J5 discs were released in 2000 and last year. Gang Starr's 'Daily Operation' and Method Man's 'Tical' were serious contenders, as I really like both of those. I know that DMX has kind of nose-dived in quality, but I can't get over the power of his first album. He's like Tupac -- doesn't have a great voice, flow or sense of rhythm, but just overwhelms with charismatic menace.
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Post by: Relaxer on February 12, 2003, 09:40:00 am: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Joymonster: My list would be similar except I would had replaced De La Soul and DMX with Pete Rock &C.L. Smooth "Mecca and The Soul Brother", and Black Moon "Enta Da Stage". <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>To be honest, I hadn't heard of Black Moon's disc, but what I just read about it looks good. Ordered it, and it's on its way.And #11 or #12 probably would be Mos Def 'Black on Both Sides'. Half of that album is great.
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Post by: JRM on February 12, 2003, 01:30:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Relaxer: For best hip-hop album in the 90s, I'd rank'em as:1. Nas - Illmatic 2. Wu Tang - 36 Chambers 3. PE - Fear of a Black Planet 4. Notorious BIG - Ready to Die 5. JayZ - Reasonable Doubt 6. Tribe Called Quest - Low End Theory 7. DMX - Its Dark and Hell is Hot 8. De La Soul - Is Dead 9. 2Pac - All Eyez on Me 10. Raekwon - Only Built 4 Cuban Linx<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> A top 10 Hip Hop of the 90's list without "The Chronic" or "Doggystyle"? Come on. I'd also put "Cypress Hill" on the list. For Wu-tang, I thought their second album was better. "Fear of a Black Planet" I thought was 1989, but it might be 1990. Either way, PE's best albulm was "It takes a nation of Millions".
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Post by: Relaxer on February 12, 2003, 01:45:00 pm: The Chronic was a big album, and I can see the argument for it being in the top ten. Doggystyle... eh, it launched a career and is a fun album, but I see it in the same way as I see Nelly. Fun, very popular, but kinda disposal. Cypress Hill would be better remembered if they'd been consistent, but they kept changing their sound. Not that it's a bad thing, but you can only cross over into metal and then back so many times. I think "Black Sunday" is superior to the debut, but I wouldn't put it in the top 25. "Fear of a Black Planet" was 1990, and I'd argue that whatever the timing, it was better than "Nation of Millions". Millions was a breakthrough in terms of the sound and a new direction for hip-hop, but FOABP is where that sound matured. If Wu Tang's "Forever" had been a single disc, it would be one of the best rap albums ever. As it is, half of it is unbelievable tracks like Reunited, Triumph and For Heaven's Sake, and half of it is Dog Shit and Duck Seazon. Yes, I am a nerd.
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Post by: JRM on February 12, 2003, 04:31:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Relaxer: The Chronic was a big album, and I can see the argument for it being in the top ten. Doggystyle... eh, it launched a career and is a fun album, but I see it in the same way as I see Nelly. Fun, very popular, but kinda disposal. Cypress Hill would be better remembered if they'd been consistent, but they kept changing their sound. Not that it's a bad thing, but you can only cross over into metal and then back so many times. I think "Black Sunday" is superior to the debut, but I wouldn't put it in the top 25. "Fear of a Black Planet" was 1990, and I'd argue that whatever the timing, it was better than "Nation of Millions". Millions was a breakthrough in terms of the sound and a new direction for hip-hop, but FOABP is where that sound matured. If Wu Tang's "Forever" had been a single disc, it would be one of the best rap albums ever. As it is, half of it is unbelievable tracks like Reunited, Triumph and For Heaven's Sake, and half of it is Dog Shit and Duck Seazon. Yes, I am a nerd.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>No love for Dog Shit? I think thats ODB at his best..lol.. "Forever" did have some filler stuff, but when those guys were on, they were the shit."Doggystyle", "Cypress Hill", and "Black Sunday" all have with withstood the sands of time for me. They still get rotation in my car. "Temples of Boom" from Cypress was also a great album.I wish P.E. would have been lasted longer. The Apocolypse 91' album was good, but they just dropped big time after that. Mainly due to acts like Dre, Snoop, and Cypress bringing the rough G'd out image of L.A.I saw you mention Gangstarr earlier. They are playing the club on the 26th. Should be a good show.[This message has been edited by JRM (edited 02-12-2003).][This message has been edited by JRM (edited 02-12-2003).]
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Post by: Dr. Anton Phibes on February 12, 2003, 07:11:00 pm: Quote
Originally posted by BLACKSTORM: VERVE - A STROM IN HEAVENOASIS - DEFINATELY MAYBEFAITH NO MORE - ANGEL DUSTCHRIS ISSAK - FOREVER BLUERADIOHEAD - THE BENDS (ALL THE REST OF THEIR ALBUMS SUCK!)RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE - EVIL EMPIRE>>>>>>Angel Dust being one of the most underrated albums of ALL time......IMHO....99% of "rap metal" albums not even in the same town,let alone ballpark as this gem.....and this is not because Mike Patton is one of the nicest guys in the biz......
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Post by: walkman on February 12, 2003, 08:03:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by JRM: I saw you mention Gangstarr earlier. They are playing the club on the 26th. Should be a good show.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Speaking of that show, how about Talib Kweli's Reflection Eternal? Or was that 2000?
Title: Re: Best album of the nineties
Post by: Joymonster on February 12, 2003, 08:08:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by walkman: Speaking of that show, how about Talib Kweli's Reflection Eternal? Or was that 2000?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>That was 2000. Not a bad album, especially if you like Hi-Tek but Black Star was much, much better.
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Post by: Venerable Bede on February 12, 2003, 08:16:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Barcelona: You put Low and Luna at the same level as Pavement's "crooked rain crooked rain"? Are you sure? I saw Low and Luna last year at the Blackcat and I think they were two of the worst shows I saw.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>well, let's see. . .the low and luna albums i listed came out in the mid 90s, and you saw the bands in 2002. . .how on earth can you make that statement based on that. obviously you've never listened to either album. . .i'm surprised you didn't take a cheap shot at gbv while you were at it.
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Post by: walkman on February 12, 2003, 09:21:00 pm: Three as-of-yet unmentioned gems: Built To Spill â?? Keep It Like A Secret Modest Mouse â?? Lonesome Crowded West (though Moon & Antarctica might be even better) Fugazi â?? 13 Songs
Title: Re: Best album of the nineties
Post by: Barcelona on February 13, 2003, 12:36:00 am: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Venerable Bede: well, let's see. . .the low and luna albums i listed came out in the mid 90s, and you saw the bands in 2002. . .how on earth can you make that statement based on that. obviously you've never listened to either album. . .i'm surprised you didn't take a cheap shot at gbv while you were at it. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> It was just a question, no criticism was involved. I wasn't making fun about your musical taste. I guess I didn't write what I was exactly meaning. Of course those two bands might have changed a lot between the mid 90s and now, but it's just that I can;t remember anything good from their shows last year. I guess my whole point was that I felt it was a strange thing to see Pavement and these two bands together in your list of best albums of the 90s.As for GBV, after criticizing them so much (I was joking with Jadatree in many cases), I ended up respecting them. I haven't changed my opinion about their music, but I respect them much more than let's say Foo Fighters and the whole David Grohl myth.
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Post by: Lazer Guided Melodies on February 13, 2003, 01:43:00 am: I would say10. Blue Lines by Massive Attack 9. A Storm In Heaven by Verve 8. Laser Guided Melodies by Spiritualized 7. The Soft Bulletin by The Flaming Lips 6. The Three Eps by The Beta Band 5. Slanted and Enchanted by Pavement 4. Moon Safari by Air 3. Screamadelica by Primal Scream 2. Deserter's Songs by Mercury Rev 1. Ladies and Gentlemen We Are Floating In Space by Spiritualized
Title: Re: Best album of the nineties
Post by: Henry Dark on February 13, 2003, 09:53:00 am: Do you kids listen to ANYTHING other than "modern rock" and "hiphop"?
Title: Re: Best album of the nineties
Post by: Santos L. Halper on February 13, 2003, 10:15:00 am: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Henry Dark: Do you kids listen to ANYTHING other than "modern rock" and "hiphop"?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I listen to the "voices in my head".
Title: Re: Best album of the nineties
Post by: Henry Dark on February 13, 2003, 10:26:00 am: What did the top ten "voices in your head" tell you in the 90's? Did they tell you that you would be in danger of a terrorist attack and you should get the hell out of DC? <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Santos L. Halper: I listen to the "voices in my head".<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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Post by: ggw on February 13, 2003, 10:41:00 am: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Henry Dark: Do you kids listen to ANYTHING other than "modern rock" and "hiphop"?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>John Browns Body -- Among Them Burning Spear -- Calling Rastafari Lee Perry -- Arkology
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Post by: Relaxer on February 13, 2003, 10:54:00 am: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Henry Dark: Do you kids listen to ANYTHING other than "modern rock" and "hiphop"?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Well of course. I also like alternative rock and rap.
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Post by: walkman on February 13, 2003, 04:16:00 pm: Nice list. I like Laser Guided better, actually. And Screamadelica is just great. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Lazer Guided Melodies: I would say10. Blue Lines by Massive Attack 9. A Storm In Heaven by Verve 8. Laser Guided Melodies by Spiritualized 7. The Soft Bulletin by The Flaming Lips 6. The Three Eps by The Beta Band 5. Slanted and Enchanted by Pavement 4. Moon Safari by Air 3. Screamadelica by Primal Scream 2. Deserter's Songs by Mercury Rev 1. Ladies and Gentlemen We Are Floating In Space by Spiritualized<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Title: Re: Best album of the nineties
Post by: myuman on February 14, 2003, 12:18:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by BLACKSTORM: RADIOHEAD - THE BENDS (ALL THE REST OF THEIR ALBUMS SUCK!)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Ironic thing here is... I use Kid A as my musical litmus test on others. If they don't understand Kid A ... then they are nothing but pop lovers in disquise... yeah, a little biased, but it is somewhat valid.[This message has been edited by myuman (edited 02-14-2003).]
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Post by: sonickteam2 on February 14, 2003, 12:32:00 pm: so you turn red if you understand, blue if you dont?
Title: Re: Best album of the nineties
Post by: poorlulu on February 14, 2003, 12:35:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by myuman: Ironic thing here is... I use Kid A as my musical litmus test on others. If they don't understand Kid A ... then they are nothing but pop lovers in disquise... yeah, a little biased, but it is somewhat valid.[This message has been edited by myuman (edited 02-14-2003).]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>funny cos i do the same test but it's a little different.......if they like kid A then they are pretentious wankers
Title: Re: Best album of the nineties
Post by: sonickteam2 on February 14, 2003, 12:39:00 pm: i am a wanksTAand Kid A is thier least interesting CD, but not thier worst.
Title: Re: Best album of the nineties
Post by: Mobius on February 14, 2003, 01:01:00 pm: I think Kid A a piece of art more like a painting than a CD. Viewed as a whole it creates a certain picture/impression. I think its great art. How's THAT for a pretentious wanker comment?Also want to agree that Lazer Guided Melodies is a great great disc. Similar narcotic effect as MBV Loveless.
Title: Re: Best album of the nineties
Post by: myuman on February 14, 2003, 05:45:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Mobius: I think Kid A a piece of art more like a painting than a CD. Viewed as a whole it creates a certain picture/impression. I think its great art. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Yeah, I think that is just about dead on. Not that I'm looking for any agreement here (Mobius... I don't know you)... but I agree. Radiohead is certainly pretentious however. They even tease their own fans with "creep" only not to play it. But Kid A is extremely abstract.... and it took me a long time to like it, but then it just all made sense... now I know how religious people feel. So if you don't understand, you're only a small wanker... but if you do, then you know... you must be like... cool.
Title: Re: Best album of the nineties
Post by: chills on February 14, 2003, 05:49:00 pm: i thought Kid A just tried too hard; it reeks of too much effort in this our 'remix a song and call it music' world.thought the Bends was just boring.OK Computer hooked me in as one of the best records ever; i worked with a guy who would play it twice a day every day for about 3 months and i still didn't get sick of it. Now I listen to it and not sure what the fuss was about; it is good, but not as good as i remember.that goofball DVD, Meeting People is Easy (?), has to be the most pretentious thing I've ever watched, to the point of pure humor.that's my radiohead rundown, for all who care.
Title: Re: Best album of the nineties
Post by: Sir HC on February 14, 2003, 06:20:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by chills: Now I listen to it and not sure what the fuss was about; it is good, but not as good as i remember.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>What always got me about it is that it sounds like someone from another planet attempting to do Earth rock. It is just far enough off center to keep you guessing but retains that "Rock" feel that the later stuff lost (except Our National Anthem with is great).
Title: Re: Best album of the nineties
Post by: Joseph Coram on February 17, 2003, 10:02:00 pm: the lack of "i can hear the heart beating as one" is a surprise. the people with the negative comments about kid a are just looking for something to complain about. basically saying "hey, everyone recognizes this is brilliant, so i'll play hardball and make people revisit the idea." that's pathetic.
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Title: Re: Best album of the nineties
Post by: markie on February 17, 2003, 10:50:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Joseph Coram: I am pathetic.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I dont like Kid A. Its lack of melodies and prog rock nature make me think of the emperors new clothes. I think it is all style over substance.
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Post by: jadetree on February 17, 2003, 11:04:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by markie: style over substance.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Isn't that most Brit-pop?
Title: Re: Best album of the nineties
Post by: markie on February 17, 2003, 11:10:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by jadetree: Isn't that most Brit-pop?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>yep. thats right. probably why you like it soooo much.Still it normally has melodies and hooks that constitute songs. More than can be said for kidder.
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Post by: jadetree on February 17, 2003, 11:18:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by markie: yep. thats right. probably why you like it soooo much.Still it normally has melodies and hooks that constitute songs. More than can be said for kidder.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Kid A has plenty of melodies and hooks, they are just not laid out for you the same way that makes a band like Oasis so boring these days. You don't get all of it on first listen with a band like... say... Coldplay. I am hardly the most rabid Brit-pop fan on the board. [This message has been edited by jadetree (edited 02-17-2003).]
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Post by: markie on February 18, 2003, 12:35:00 am: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by jadetree: I am obviously the most rabid Brit-pop fan on the board. [This message has been edited by someone with Prince Charles hair (edited 02-17-2003).]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Does it really have melody? I didnt find it. It was more of a foray into noise and pretentiosness for me. Then again I like my pop.As for oasis, I rather like heathen chemistry. Although I agree they have become rather boring by not progressing beyond the early beatles songbook.Still they have some great hooks though.
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Post by: Joseph Coram on February 18, 2003, 01:26:00 am: markie, pal, the fact that you don't like kid a doesn't make me pathetic. it make's you blind. i might even take under consideration something you had to say about radiohead if you hadn't pulled that little stunt, and if you didn't attempt to accuse radiohead of something the gallagher brothers have perfected. nice try, but next time just don't try.
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Post by: walkman on February 18, 2003, 01:32:00 am: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Joseph Coram: it make's you blind.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>His problem isn't with the cover art. You might, however, diagnose deafness.
Title: Re: Best album of the nineties
Post by: markie on February 18, 2003, 01:34:00 am: Quote
Originally posted by Joseph Coram: markie, pal, the fact that you don't like kid a doesn't make me pathetic. it make's you blind. do you mean deaf? i might even take under consideration something you had to say about radiohead if you hadn't pulled that little stunt, and if you didn't attempt to accuse radiohead of something the gallagher brothers have perfected. nice try, but next time just don't try.can you convert this to a language I understand? Then I will try and defend whatever I may or may not have said earlier. As it is I have no idea what you are talking about, or trying to get at.
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Post by: jadetree on February 18, 2003, 01:35:00 am: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by markie: Does it really have melody? I didnt find it. It was more of a foray into noise and pretentiosness for me. Then again I like Tony Blair.Still the Tories are great as well.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I agree with Joseph Coram, you dont like Kid A because you are blind, you have to see the melody.
Title: Re: Best album of the nineties
Post by: markie on February 18, 2003, 01:41:00 am: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by jadetree: I agree with Joseph Coram, you dont like Kid A because you are blind, you have to see the melody.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>hear?Oh and BTW,Right is right.
Title: Re: Best album of the nineties
Post by: Joseph Coram on February 18, 2003, 01:48:00 am: man guys. you are really tearing me to shreds arent you? prying apart my grammar is a really effective way of proving your point. By the way, no, i didnt mean deaf, and i didnt mean literally blind. im sure you knew that as you are clever enough to point out the undeniable incoherence in my last post (due largely to me being very tired). i can see i am out of my league with you brit-poppers.
Title: Re: Best album of the nineties
Post by: markie on February 18, 2003, 01:51:00 am: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Joseph Coram: prying apart my grammar is a really effective way of proving your point. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I am sorry, but I really didnt understand your point about oasis in your last post. What were you getting at?
Title: Re: Best album of the nineties
Post by: jadetree on February 18, 2003, 01:51:00 am: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Joseph Coram: man guys. you are really tearing me to shreds arent you? prying apart my grammar is a really effective way of proving your point. By the way, no, i didnt mean deaf, and i didnt mean literally blind. im sure you knew that as you are clever enough to point out the undeniable incoherence in my last post (due largely to me being very tired). i can see i am out of my league with you brit-poppers.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>A Radiohead fan using brit-poppers as an insult? Ok.
Title: Re: Best album of the nineties
Post by: jadetree on February 18, 2003, 01:52:00 am: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by markie: hear?Oh and BTW,Right is right.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>No. Here.
Title: Re: Best album of the nineties
Post by: Joseph Coram on February 18, 2003, 01:57:00 am: Ok indeed, jadetree. I claimed to like Kid A, not radiohead as a whole, though i really like ok computer and amnesiac too. I like how such a small-time forum can get so antagonistic. sorry for any part i played, but i like the music. besides the topic is the best album of the nineties, and ill admit thats not kid a. take your pick of a yo la tengo album and thats the answer to the question.
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Post by: Joseph Coram on February 18, 2003, 01:59:00 am: oh, heres what i was getting at with the oasis comment markie. if any of that style over substance crap you brought up has any validity towards radiohead, its exponentialized by oasis.
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Post by: jadetree on February 18, 2003, 01:59:00 am: Who here wants to guess what year Kid A came out? I would suggest not a year in the nineties.
Title: Re: Best album of the nineties
Post by: poorlulu on February 18, 2003, 01:59:00 am: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by jadetree: I cant hear any melody in here? (http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/dre300/e302/e30215t02cv.jpg) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> What?
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Post by: Joseph Coram on February 18, 2003, 02:00:00 am: hah. youre right, i'd forgotten.
Title: Re: Best album of the nineties
Post by: jadetree on February 18, 2003, 02:02:00 am: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by poorlulu: What?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>no, you have to SEE it
Title: Re: Best album of the nineties
Post by: poorlulu on February 18, 2003, 02:03:00 am: goddamn Radiohead....BOO![This message has been edited by poorlulu (edited 02-18-2003).]
Title: Re: Best album of the nineties
Post by: jadetree on February 18, 2003, 02:03:00 am: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Joseph Coram: Ok indeed, jadetree. I claimed to like Kid A, not radiohead as a whole, though i really like ok computer and amnesiac too. I like how such a small-time forum can get so antagonistic. sorry for any part i played, but i like the music. besides the topic is the best album of the nineties, and ill admit thats not kid a. take your pick of a yo la tengo album and thats the answer to the question.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Autumn Sweater is a great song, but there is no way Yo La Tengo had the best album of the 90s, but of course you are welcome to your opinion
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Post by: markie on February 18, 2003, 02:05:00 am: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Joseph Coram: oh, heres what i was getting at with the oasis comment markie. if any of that style over substance crap you brought up has any validity towards radiohead, its exponentialized by oasis.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Oh OK. I dont agree at all though. Oasis have meaty hooks a plenty and an excellent turn of phrase. It may be starting to look increasingly unoriginal, but there is plenty of substance. Say Campbells Tomato soup.Radiohead has turned into a dire prog rock band with noise and no tunes,this is nouvelle cuisine. Really rather unsatisfying to me.
Title: Re: Best album of the nineties
Post by: jadetree on February 18, 2003, 02:05:00 am: you two need to get your act together
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Post by: Joseph Coram on February 18, 2003, 02:06:00 am: what a powerful diss. shame you already tried it.
Title: Re: Best album of the nineties
Post by: jadetree on February 18, 2003, 02:09:00 am: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Joseph Coram: what a powerful diss. shame you already tried it.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> (http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:sZmLL0gAIcoC:www.geocities.com/Paris/Metro/8543/shame.jpg)
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Post by: Joseph Coram on February 18, 2003, 02:09:00 am: eh i think we're all on the same page. it really depends on what you are looking for in music. i like oasis when i want good solid cookie-cutter rock. that doesnt mean its bad, just formulaic. i like radiohead when i want original artistic music. i like yo la tengo when i want the absolute best music ever written. try to find "i can hear the heart beating as one," i think from what ive heard of your taste you would appreciate it.
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Post by: chills on February 19, 2003, 10:37:00 am: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by VIOLENTMOODSWINGS: WUMPSCUTT (http://www.930.com/ubb/biggrin.gif)RIED BLOOD OF GEMORIAH WUMPSCUTT: EVIL YOUNG FLESH<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>hmmm, i kinda liked Embryodead better than those two. where is that on your list?