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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: HoyaSaxa03 on August 14, 2007, 05:18:00 pm
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i posted this in the country/rap thread, but i think it deserves a thread of its own
how do you explain your musical tastes to people with whom you're having a casual conversation?
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I tell them I'm a music snob.
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i also say im a music snob, and mutter something about some english band that theyve never heard of. depends who im talking to really. when im feeling nice - i just say 'britpop'. and it kinda summarizes up some of it. and they still have no clue what the hell im talking about.
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I generally ask who their favorite band is, and unless it's some elite indie band, I respond that "I've never heard of them," and inquire if they're a Pixies or Velvet Underground "cover band."
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depends on the situation.
if i'm sober i try to explain that it's probably something they don't listen to. if i'm drunk, i'll blather on about how i'm a music snob.
although recently and while drunk, i told a boy: 'i would never sleep with you because you have terrible taste in music.'
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"I like whatever I think sounds good."
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This is always a difficult question for me because of how varied it is and has been, especially when my work experience is considered. It really depends on the setting and who is asking. I'll often talk about recent purchases or obsessions as well as cultural, historical and theoretical aspects. It may be Tallis Scholars with one person and American Idol with another. I can always find some common ground.
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i just hand them my iPod.
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Geez, I don't think Julian's tastes is that bad..
Originally posted by miss pretentious:
although recently and while drunk, i told a boy: 'i would never sleep with you because you have terrible taste in music.'
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Originally posted by nkotb:
Geez, I don't think Julian's tastes is that bad..
:roll:
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Originally posted by nkotb:
Geez, I don't think Julian's tastes is that bad..
Originally posted by miss pretentious:
although recently and while drunk, i told a boy: 'i would never sleep with you because you have terrible taste in music.'
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Ahhahahah. Well, Julian hasn't tried to take me to a Steve Miller Band concert or talk to me about all the Dave Matthews Band concerts he's been to and can't remember.
So he's in the clear...for now.
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i play a lot of poker and sit and converse with a lot of random people for hours at a time ... here's a couple of observations:
(1) invariably some middle-aged guy will strike up a conversation about music as a result of some band t-shirt i have on, ask condescendingly if i listen to any older bands "like the beatles or zeppelin", and get completely embarrassed when i start talking to him politely about 60s and 70s music ... i've yet to actually meet a middle-aged guy who knows anything about music from "his era" (beyond the big hits) even though they invariably ask why "kids these days" don't listen to the "good stuff"
(2) people in their 40s to 50s talking about music (especially pseudo-intellectual lefties) ALWAYS bring up Bono and mention him as someone who their kids know, but they never have really heard of ... invariably, these are the same self-righteous "music fans" as (1) ... i point out to these people that Bono/U2 were more musically relevant not just to this generation of music fans, but about 20-30 years ago, which would have been right in their musical wheelhouse ... this implies, of course, that they really know nothing about music from "their own era" and generally leads to embarrassing silence
(3) wearing a "your favorite band sucks" t-shirt to a poker game is a great way to start a conversation
(4) super hard-core metallica fans (there's a lot in atlantic city) are really fun to talk with
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Question 2: what do you say when people ask who your favorite band is?
this is such a loaded question, primarily designed for people who have owned the same 25 CDs for the last fifteen years
i usually just say: "i listen to a lot of stuff, i don't really have a favorite" (which is the real answer) ... or i'll say "either The Magnetic Fields or The Replacements" (which is kind of the right answer) and get blank stares
it doesn't really seem like there's a good way to answer this question if you know the person asking it will have no idea who the band is ... saying "i don't really have one" makes you sound like an idiot, and naming some "obscure" band just ends the conversation
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I generally mention a few bands that I've been listening to recently if someone asks what I like. If someone asks who my favorite band is, I just say Sonic Youth. Though I don't know if that's exactly the case anymore.
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Originally posted by Hoya Paranoia:
how do you explain your musical tastes to people with whom you're having a casual conversation?
I usually tell them "It depends on where I am and what I'm doing" and they will inevitably give me a scenario and I tell them what I would likely be listening to. And then after 5 or 6 of these scenarios and I've confused them with an obscure indie band followed by some teenie pop band, they leave me alone or wait for me to give them a scenario, which I never do.
Originally posted by Hoya Paranoia:
Question 2: what do you say when people ask who your favorite band is?
I say "My favorite band is U2." But I never ask them what their favorite band is.
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totally depends on the person for me.
i generally say i like rock music, figuring thats close enough if someones just asking a casual question. i'll get into it more if i actually plan on having a conversation for a while with them about it. i generally figure most of the time a random person asks me a question, they dont actually care too much about the answer.
when asked my favourite band, i always reply with two, Radiohead and Velvet Underground, cause thats just the simple truth.
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i say the dandy warhols and get blank stares. usually with the response, 'the andy warhols?'. uhh NO the DANDY warhols. at least most of them know who andy warhol is - which is good - which leads to conversations about art.
if i know the person is into movies - i can reference a few movies with their music in it, and they might act like they know the band.. perhaps they do?
my favorite was when i was talking to a guy in a bar about music/fav bands. he said he didnt know who the dandy warhols were. somehow we started talking about freaks & geeks and then undeclared. and i say 'oh the theme song of undeclared is solid from the dandy warhols'. and naturally, he knew the song. judd apatow is quite the dandy warhols fan.
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Originally posted by le sonick:
when asked my favourite band, i always reply with two, Radiohead and Velvet Underground, cause thats just the simple truth.
Radiohead? I've never heard of them... are they a Pixies cover band or something?
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Originally posted by vansmack:
I say "My favorite band is U2."
have you had similar interactions with self-professed "music fans" who would have been in their 20s from 1980-1987 when U2 were (arguably, i guess) at their peak, and who reflexively refer to Bono as someone "their kids know" when talking about him involved in some kind of public policy situation?
that really just gets my goat for some reason
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I don't really tend to discuss music with too many people, as I find a majority of humans are fuckin' idiots. (That doesn't apply to a decent percentage of this board) Like the girl I went to Bonnaroo with that told me:
"The White Stripes are far better than The Stones will ever be."
Until that came out of her mouth, I was gonna let her take that magical ride up *ahem* Space Mountain once we got the tent set up. Silence ensued in the vehicle all throughout the rest of VA. Silly bitch.
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Originally posted by Hoya Paranoia:
Question 2: what do you say when people ask who your favorite band is?
whenever I say Guided By Voices people usually think its a christian band and they get quiet, which is fine by me, my GBV shirt always gets lots of questions, especially while playing craps all night in vegas
Dismemberment Plan shirt seems to freak people out as well i guess
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I get the biggest glares if I ever wear my Inspiral Carpets "Cool as Fuck" shirt or my Ned's Atomic Dustbing "Did you miss Ned's?" on the front and the "then you FUCKED UP" on the back. I couldn't really care less though, I try not to wear them during daylight hours when I'm more likely to run into small kids.
I usually just tell people that I'm a music geek and try to listen to as many types of bands as possible. I explain that I like everything from quiet acoustic folk stuff (Elliott Smith) to more electronic-based dance (Daft Punk) to hardcore punk (Minor Threat) to classic rock (AC/DC, the Who) to more "modern" rock (PJ Harvey). If they are polite they'll just mutter something like "cool", but on occasion people get more interested, especially when I tell them that I've been to over 500 shows and that I've been keeping a concert log from day one. They think I'm nuts, but they're intrigued because most people probably go to one concert a year, if that.
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Originally posted by TheDirector217:
I don't really tend to discuss music with too many people, as I find a majority of humans are fuckin' idiots. (That doesn't apply to a decent percentage of this board) Like the girl I went to Bonnaroo with that told me:
"The White Stripes are far better than The Stones will ever be."
Until that came out of her mouth, I was gonna let her take that magical ride up *ahem* Space Mountain once we got the tent set up. Silence ensued in the vehicle all throughout the rest of VA. Silly bitch.
But what she said was SO TRUE! YOU MESSED UP, DIRECTOR! The Stripes were lethal in Delaware and fantastic in Virginia a couple of weeks ago. She may be the perfect woman if she loves the White Stripes and thinks they are better than the Stones (which they are. The Stones were big, in what, the 1930's? Do you read Rolling Stone magazine a lot, Director?)
You denied her a night of magic because she just happened to live in 2007? And SHE's the "silly b....?"
Brian
P.S. Seriously, what's her number?
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Originally posted by Brian Wallace:
Originally posted by TheDirector217:
I don't really tend to discuss music with too many people, as I find a majority of humans are fuckin' idiots. (That doesn't apply to a decent percentage of this board) Like the girl I went to Bonnaroo with that told me:
"The White Stripes are far better than The Stones will ever be."
Until that came out of her mouth, I was gonna let her take that magical ride up *ahem* Space Mountain once we got the tent set up. Silence ensued in the vehicle all throughout the rest of VA. Silly bitch.
But what she said was SO TRUE! YOU MESSED UP, DIRECTOR! The Stripes were lethal in Delaware and fantastic in Virginia a couple of weeks ago. She may be the perfect woman if she loves the White Stripes and thinks they are better than the Stones (which they are. The Stones were big, in what, the 1930's? Do you read Rolling Stone magazine a lot, Director?)
You denied her a night of magic because she just happened to live in 2007? And SHE's the "silly b....?"
Brian
P.S. Seriously, what's her number? [/b]
Trust me. You don't want that in your life. She's about as stable as kryptonite. I'm a huge White Stripes fan by the way. But as far White Stripes > Stones (this was an overall, not current comparison):
*crickets chirping*
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comparing the stones to the stripes is stupid because its a WHOLE different time frame.
and i dont know if anyone can actually compare because in order to do that, you'd have to really have a feel of the music landscape while both bands were at their peak and no one that has their finger truly on the pulse of 1968 has any idea of music today and vice versa.
i'd vote for the Stripes though ;)
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Having now seen the White Stripes at what is arguably their peak, and going back and watching Mick and the boys at Madison Square Garden in 1969, there is no way in hell that Jack White is as brilliant as Keith Richards. Director, you did the right thing. Unfortunately, sometimes people don't care to do their homework. It's kind of like comparing apples and oranges, and it's unfair to compare the two bands. Jack has to put the energy of four people into one (since Meg is such a dud of a drummer), but still...the Stones playing "Sympathy for the Devil" or "Gimme Shelter" beats "Seven Nation Army" ANY DAY.
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PS -- Brian Wallace, you're missing out on a lot of great music because of your age prejudices towards older "dinosaur" rock. You'll find that a lot bands back in the day had to rely on actual songwriting and craft in their playing instead of using modern studio tricks to make great records. Do you listen to any music that came out in the last millennium? Just curious.
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one might also miss out on a lot of good ass because of their prejudices against shania twain, chumbawumba and hardcore white stripes fans..
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can i just say you are all a bunch of SNOBS!
really, you are , dont even try to deny it.
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I usually just say something like "I mostly like rock music, but I like a lot of different things." That's all most people really want to know, unless they're looking to get into a real music conversation. If that's the case, we get more specific as the conversation ensues. Most people are looking for a generic answer - not a dissertation on why I think most music sucks or a lecture about the merits of obscure indie bands they've never heard of.
Favorite band? The Grateful Dead. That's usually a good conversation starter.
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Originally posted by bearman:
I get the biggest glares if I ever wear my Inspiral Carpets "Cool as Fuck" shirt or my Ned's Atomic Dustbing "Did you miss Ned's?" on the front and the "then you FUCKED UP" on the back. I couldn't really care less though, I try not to wear them during daylight hours when I'm more likely to run into small kids.
funny - i have the same neds shirt and always get a lot of weird looks/glares. i did buy another one and it has the lyrics to kill your television on the back (first verse i believe) and says kill your television down the sleeve. doesnt have the same effect.
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Something you'd NEVER hear a guy tell a girl.
Originally posted by miss pretentious:
although recently and while drunk, i told a boy: 'i would never sleep with you because you have terrible taste in music.'
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Hey, what's wrong with Steve Miller?
Originally posted by miss pretentious:
Originally posted by nkotb:
Geez, I don't think Julian's tastes is that bad..
Originally posted by miss pretentious:
although recently and while drunk, i told a boy: 'i would never sleep with you because you have terrible taste in music.'
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Ahhahahah. Well, Julian hasn't tried to take me to a Steve Miller Band concert or talk to me about all the Dave Matthews Band concerts he's been to and can't remember.
So he's in the clear...for now. [/b]
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i usually say rock n roll, mostly
Originally posted by Hoya Paranoia:
Question 2: what do you say when people ask who your favorite band is?
put my fist in the air and start chanting GBV GBV GBV, while jumping up and down
i've had people come up to me and ask which voices i was guided by before
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Originally posted by bearman:
Having now seen the White Stripes at what is arguably their peak, and going back and watching Mick and the boys at Madison Square Garden in 1969, there is no way in hell that Jack White is as brilliant as Keith Richards. Director, you did the right thing. Unfortunately, sometimes people don't care to do their homework. It's kind of like comparing apples and oranges, and it's unfair to compare the two bands. Jack has to put the energy of four people into one (since Meg is such a dud of a drummer), but still...the Stones playing "Sympathy for the Devil" or "Gimme Shelter" beats "Seven Nation Army" ANY DAY.
Thank you. You see my vision. And I'm damn sure Jack White would tell you the same thing.
You are a great man.
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An old roommate told me when it comes to music he likes bands that nobody has heard of yet and when they become popular he stops liking them. I told him he wasn't an actual fan of the music because if he liked a band he would continue to like them unless there was an artistic change or his tastes changed-not because people discovered them.
I never could figure the kid out.
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
Something you'd NEVER hear a guy tell a girl.
Originally posted by miss pretentious:
although recently and while drunk, i told a boy: 'i would never sleep with you because you have terrible taste in music.'
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I'd sleep with a girl if she liked horrible bands like Pink Floyd, The Beatles, Bruce Springsteen, Rush, Grateful Dead, et al. But I'd have to fantasize she was someone else.
Plus, no cuddling afterwards.
Brian
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Originally posted by le sonick:
can i just say you are all a bunch of SNOBS!
really, you are , dont even try to deny it.
I am. But I wouldn't be if the majority of people weren't so fucking ignorant in regards to music. Know your history, and if you're not into the classics at least be well-versed in current music/music period so you make an educated comment.
But to tack on to what Hoya was saying earlier, I may run out to a bar here & there with a nice jukebox. Run into middle-aged cats who opine on why younger cats (like myself) don't listen to any "good music". The look on their faces when I end up schooling them on groups THEY grew up listening to is fuckin' priceless.
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Originally posted by 6949:
An old roommate told me when it comes to music he likes bands that nobody has heard of yet and when they become popular he stops liking them.
I never could figure the kid out.
That my friend, is hipsters in general & a majority of the people who populate this lovely board we convene at. Which is why I don't really tend to tip my hand as to my musical likes/preferences. You must figure out, as I did recently, that it's not your job to lead the blind. :cool:
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Originally posted by TheDirector217:
Originally posted by 6949:
An old roommate told me when it comes to music he likes bands that nobody has heard of yet and when they become popular he stops liking them.
I never could figure the kid out.
That my friend, is hipsters in general & a majority of the people who populate this lovely board we convene at. Which is why I don't really tend to tip my hand as to my musical likes/preferences. You must figure out, as I did recently, that it's not your job to lead the blind. :cool: [/b]
I'm just trying to understand his/their logic. It would be like me saying I won't listen to bands unless they're already popular (which is far from true).
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How do you explain your musical tastes to people with whom you're having a casual conversation?
I generally just tell people I listen to everything, and then give a few examples of what I've recently been spinning. Sometimes I'll just throw out genres as a guide or, depending on the person, actually tell them in-depth a bit more.
I normally don't geek out like the rest of you seem to when discussing music with outsides; it's too frustrating. I'll never forget my first class during my freshman year of college; some dude with long-hair was sitting next to me, and he had a Butthole Surfers patch on his backpack. When I tried to strike up a conversation, he told me he never listened to them and only put the patch there because he wanted something "non-mainstream." That was the last time I tried to engage someone about music without them engaging me first.
What do you say when people ask who your favorite band is?
Ween, which of course gets tons of questions or blank stares. I've often been asked to spell it, and some ask what type of music. Again, I stick with "everything" since that's what they play. Of I just tell them they used to be a punk band and are now big in jam band circles, which leads people to mention Phish. That's usually the end of the conversation.
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Originally posted by TheDirector217:
Originally posted by le sonick:
can i just say you are all a bunch of SNOBS!
really, you are , dont even try to deny it.
I am. But I wouldn't be if the majority of people weren't so fucking ignorant in regards to music. Know your history, and if you're not into the classics at least be well-versed in current music/music period so you make an educated comment.
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not to be a devil's advocate, but are you saying that unless you know the history of all music, you shouldnt strike up a music conversation?
i like drinking wine, but dont know much about it, so does that mean i have no right striking up a wine conversation with a waiter at a restaurant or another bat patron?
i love music, and i choose to spend too much time researching it and listening to it. other people do the same with video games, fashion, movies or sports.
i know you are just getting carried away and arent in real life a complete dick to anyone who expresses an opinion about music you dont agree with. but personally, when someone starts talking music with me that obviously doesnt spend as much time and energy on the subject as i, i like to "show off" a bit with my widespread knowledge of music. sometimes its nice to talk to people who dont think they know more than you (like most people on here, ahem, probably including me)
no wonder some of you go to shows alone.
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I usually give an answer like "Carpathian chamber-pop" or "Balinese tribal fusion."
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I hear what you're saying, buy why bother showing off something to people who don't give a shit about it and can't truly appreciate it?
I'd rather show off my music knowledge somewhere where it's appreciated...like this board, the odd friend who is into music, or my wife who usually humors me. Though obviously, my knowledge of music pales to some of y'all.
Originally posted by le sonick:
but personally, when someone starts talking music with me that obviously doesnt spend as much time and energy on the subject as i, i like to "show off" a bit with my widespread knowledge of music. sometimes its nice to talk to people who dont think they know more than you (like most people on here, ahem, probably including me)
no wonder some of you go to shows alone.
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I do agree with you about this. It's such a drag to constantly hear how listening to Pop Punk Band X is pointless because you're unaware that Punk Band Y did it first. It's yawn-worthy, in my opinion. It's also why I sort of like Brian Wallace's rants, though I think he's just as foolish for counting out anything that's older.
The only reason in the world to listen to something is because you like it. Although I appreciate the influence that they had, I don't listen to the Stooges because they were the blueprint for blah blah blah; I listen to them because they SLAY. And maybe U2 had a larger impact on the world of music as we know it, but I'd still much rather listen to a Thermals album, who will probably not even be a blip on the radar in 15 years.
Originally posted by le sonick:
not to be a devil's advocate, but are you saying that unless you know the history of all music, you shouldnt strike up a music conversation?
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Originally posted by le sonick:
Originally posted by TheDirector217:
Originally posted by le sonick:
can i just say you are all a bunch of SNOBS!
really, you are , dont even try to deny it.
I am. But I wouldn't be if the majority of people weren't so fucking ignorant in regards to music. Know your history, and if you're not into the classics at least be well-versed in current music/music period so you make an educated comment.
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not to be a devil's advocate, but are you saying that unless you know the history of all music, you shouldnt strike up a music conversation?
i like drinking wine, but dont know much about it, so does that mean i have no right striking up a wine conversation with a waiter at a restaurant or another bat patron?
i love music, and i choose to spend too much time researching it and listening to it. other people do the same with video games, fashion, movies or sports.
i know you are just getting carried away and arent in real life a complete dick to anyone who expresses an opinion about music you dont agree with. but personally, when someone starts talking music with me that obviously doesnt spend as much time and energy on the subject as i, i like to "show off" a bit with my widespread knowledge of music. sometimes its nice to talk to people who dont think they know more than you (like most people on here, ahem, probably including me)
no wonder some of you go to shows alone. [/b]
I feel you on that. And no, you don't have to be a historian to appreciate music or anything for that matter. Maybe I just happen to come across really dumb people. Who knows? You just wouldn't believe the stupidity that comes out of people's mouths.
SCENARIO: Again, ran into what seemed to be a nice young lady @ a restaurant/bar. I had on a Clash T-shirt. She states, "Oh, they're cool. Not better than my groups, though." I figured she'd say something worthwhile/witty. She says "They aren't better than nor do they rock harder than Atreyu or A.F.I. Rock The Casbah was OK, but they didn't have any other hits."
I said nothing, turned my head, & buried my face back in my drink. That's the kinda shit I'm forced to deal with. She was kinda sexy before that came out of her mouth. Post-statement I watched all the sexiness simply ooze out of her. It would be one thing if she said she preferred said bands to The Clash. That's cool. I can rock with that all day. The courting stage/verbal foreplay would have continued. But she said that shit with conviction. Like it was gospel. As factual as the sky being blue.
I didn't think my statement was that ambiguous, nor do I believe I'm a know-it-all in spite of my vast music knowledge. But to reiterate, just be aware of what comes out of your mouth.
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What do you expect when your criteria for being a "nice young lady" is having grand cleavage? :D Maybe you're hanging out in the wrong places. ;)
Originally posted by TheDirector217:
QUOTE]I feel you on that. And no, you don't have to be a historian to appreciate music or anything for that matter. Maybe I just happen to come across really dumb people. Who knows? You just wouldn't believe the stupidity that comes out of people's mouths.
SCENARIO: Again, ran into what seemed to be a nice young lady @ a restaurant/bar. I had on a Clash T-shirt. She states, "Oh, they're cool. Not better than my groups, though." I figured she'd say something worthwhile/witty. She says "They aren't better than nor do they rock harder than Atreyu or A.F.I. Rock The Casbah was OK, but they didn't have any other hits."
I said nothing, turned my head, & buried my face back in my drink. That's the kinda shit I'm forced to deal with. She was kinda sexy before that came out of her mouth. Post-statement I watched all the sexiness simply ooze out of her. It would be one thing if she said she preferred said bands to The Clash. That's cool. I can rock with that all day. The courting stage/verbal foreplay would have continued. But she said that shit with conviction. Like it was gospel. As factual as the sky being blue.
I didn't think my statement was that ambiguous, nor do I believe I'm a know-it-all in spite of my vast music knowledge. But to reiterate, just be aware of what comes out of your mouth. [/QB]
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This girl that I've been seeing is a big fan of Iggy Pop, David Bowie, Lou Reed and New Order but had no idea who The Stooges, The Velvet Underground or Joy Division were.
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Originally posted by econo:
This girl that I've been seeing is a big fan of Iggy Pop, David Bowie, Lou Reed and New Order but had no idea who The Stooges, The Velvet Underground or Joy Division were.
That's almost impressive, in a weird way.
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my wife's favourites are Grateful Dead, Ryan Adams and Nelly....she thinks Sonic Youth, Beastie Boys and Rage are the best 90s bands and says that Broken Social Scene is the least artistic band on the planet.
and not a bit of it made her more or less sexy!!!!
though, it is cool that she thinks i know everything about music. I dont think i'd want to be with a girl who thought she knew music better than i!!!!!
oh , and AFI does rock harder than the Clash, not better, but harder.
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Originally posted by le sonick:
she thinks Sonic Youth, Beastie Boys and Rage are the best 90s bands
She likes Rage. Sounds like a keeper to me. Tell her TheDirector says she's a great woman.
Originally posted by le sonick:
oh , and AFI does rock harder than the Clash, not better, but harder.
I most def 100% agree with that.
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Originally posted by 6949:
Originally posted by TheDirector217:
Originally posted by 6949:
An old roommate told me when it comes to music he likes bands that nobody has heard of yet and when they become popular he stops liking them.
I never could figure the kid out.
That my friend, is hipsters in general & a majority of the people who populate this lovely board we convene at. Which is why I don't really tend to tip my hand as to my musical likes/preferences. You must figure out, as I did recently, that it's not your job to lead the blind. :cool: [/b]
I'm just trying to understand his/their logic. It would be like me saying I won't listen to bands unless they're already popular (which is far from true). [/b]
The armchair psychologist in me thinks that it's more about self-identity and self-esteem. We like to differentiate ourselves from others in some way that makes us feel authorative and elite. For some it's music; for others a luxury car. Bands that attain mainstream popularity while maintaining some semblance of integrity become less exclusive and special; they're no longer "my band." Some may still cling to them and claim "I was into them when...."
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Originally posted by TheDirector217:
Again, ran into what seemed to be a nice young lady @ a restaurant/bar. I had on a Clash T-shirt. She states, "Oh, they're cool. Not better than my groups, though." I figured she'd say something worthwhile/witty. She says "They aren't better than nor do they rock harder than Atreyu or A.F.I. Rock The Casbah was OK, but they didn't have any other hits."
I said nothing, turned my head, & buried my face back in my drink. That's the kinda shit I'm forced to deal with. She was kinda sexy before that came out of her mouth. Post-statement I watched all the sexiness simply ooze out of her.
DUDE! Dude.... I'm speechless. A woman suddenly appeared less sexy because she thought A Fire Inside rocked harder than the Clash? Really? REALLY? Maybe all of you Rolling Stone/High Fidelity/nostalgic/the 60's-were-the-only-TRUE-golden-era-of-rock/Pitchfork/music snobs need to write your own version of "The Rules" with regards to dating people whose musical knowledge does not come up to your standards. You're probably missing out on some good tr*m, Director.
Where's the smiley for shaking your head in incomprehension?
Brian
P.S. AFI and Atreyu DO rock harder than the Clash.
P.P.S. ""I wanna take this time to say that this is real whiskey here... the only people who put iced tea in Jack Daniel's bottles is The Clash, baby!" - David Lee Roth, from the stage of the US festival, 1983.
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Originally posted by 6949:
I told him he wasn't an actual fan of the music because if he liked a band he would continue to like them unless there was an artistic change or his tastes changed-not because people discovered them.
I think most often when a band makes it big there is an artistic change. I don't see how there can't be when an artist starts working with a major label, the artist will always have less say in the final album. And once they start putting out successful albums artists will try and repeat the success, which makes the music boring. The Decemberists last album is a perfect example of success making me dislike a band, not because they became popular, but what they did to their music to become popular.
And there is also some pretty simple logic in play here, if you believe the general population like shit, and your artist is suddenly well liked by the general population, the artist must be shit.
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Originally posted by Brian Wallace:
DUDE! Dude.... I'm speechless. A woman suddenly appeared less sexy because she thought A Fire Inside rocked harder than the Clash? Really? REALLY? You're probably missing out on some good tr*m, Director.
Trust me, fam. Let's say I had my fair share. I've seen the top of the mountain & it was cool while it lasted. I feel I've earned the right to be picky. Sexy & stupid don't mix . . . True story. I tried many a night.
Originally posted by Brian Wallace:
P.S. AFI and Atreyu DO rock harder than the Clash.
That much I'll agree with. The rest of it was just pure idiocy. If you heard the conviction with which she said it, you'd understand. Like I'm a dumb ass for even fuckin' with The Clash.
Originally posted by Brian Wallace:
P.P.S. ""I wanna take this time to say that this is real whiskey here... the only people who put iced tea in Jack Daniel's bottles is The Clash, baby!" - David Lee Roth, from the stage of the US festival, 1983.
Diamond Dave rocked. Once upon a time. Back in my younger days before I started fuckin' with hip-hop, I thought Diamond Dave was the coolest motherfucker on the planet. I have VIVID memories being a young 6 year old MTV/Friday Night Videos addict watching him karate kick and ride that surfboard in "Jump." I'm not sure if I care about the reunion yet, but he at one time was a quintessential rock star. Even if they end up sucking on this tour, I'll give him a pass.
I'm just a gigoloooo . . . .
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Originally posted by Brian Wallace:
You're probably missing out on some good tr*m, Director.
ha!!! :eek:
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Originally posted by bearman:
I've been to over 500 shows and that I've been keeping a concert log from day one.
Man, I wish to HELL I'd done that. I just started keeping track in 2003, since I started an 'upcoming shows' list in my PalmPilot already, I transered the shows I attended to a list for that year.
But the record for 1983 - March 2003 is lost forever....my bad.
VERY cool, bearman.
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Originally posted by TheDirector217:
Originally posted by 6949:
An old roommate told me when it comes to music he likes bands that nobody has heard of yet and when they become popular he stops liking them.
That my friend, is hipsters in general & a majority of the people who populate this lovely board we convene at. [/b]
I dunno, I don't think I agree. Although I have of course heard people say that, I think most of the folks here aren't so 'narrow' or "need to be hip" about music.
It's a different thing, though, to stop making an effort to see a band if they become very popular. I may have been blown away by those early Snow Patrol 9:30 club shows that were only half full, but I'm not going to head to Patriot Center or Verizon to see them at a sold out show with throngs of teenage girls. I still love them, but am not the ardent fan I was (just because I may not see them live as often, or at all depending on their trajectory and their next couple of albums).
No, I don't boycott bigger venues, as most of y'all know. But there are arena bands, and there are bands who are just playing bigger places.
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I've been very good about saving all of my concert tickets since day one. The only shows I've lost track of are club shows where I paid at the door.
What I regret most is not noting who the opening bands were at many of those shows, and the many DC bands I saw in the mid-80s.
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Originally posted by Bombay Chutney:
I've been very good about saving all of my concert tickets since day one. The only shows I've lost track of are club shows where I paid at the door.
What I regret most is not noting who the opening bands were at many of those shows, and the many DC bands I saw in the mid-80s.
i save all my concert tix too. :) found my rem - green stub the other day and was quite excited. lately with the lack of hard tix - ive been writing on wrist bands who the bands are as well as openers. as long as the ink lasts.
my real pet peeve is when i buy the ticket and the venue insists on keeping the entire ticket. they did that last night for the wombats and i was not happy. esp since it was their first show in the US.
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For me, I've found that my real disconnect involves a true passion for music in general rather than the specific music itself. Even when our tastes may greatly differ, if another loves music, we can often converse. It's when I yet again recognize that the other person just doesn't value music like I do that I realize that the subject must change or things will get annoying for both of us.
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Just wondering: Were you one of those black kids raised by white parents, and you only discovered hip-hop once you went to college?
Originally posted by TheDirector217:
Diamond Dave rocked. Once upon a time. Back in my younger days before I started fuckin' with hip-hop, I thought Diamond Dave was the coolest motherfucker on the planet. I have VIVID memories being a young 6 year old MTV/Friday Night Videos addict watching him karate kick and ride that surfboard in "Jump." I'm not sure if I care about the reunion yet, but he at one time was a quintessential rock star. Even if they end up sucking on this tour, I'll give him a pass.
I'm just a gigoloooo . . . . [/QB][/QUOTE]
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Originally posted by Bombay Chutney:
I've been very good about saving all of my concert tickets since day one. The only shows I've lost track of are club shows where I paid at the door.
What I regret most is not noting who the opening bands were at many of those shows, and the many DC bands I saw in the mid-80s.
i have the ticket stub to my first concert, August 1988 but all the ink has worn off, so you cant really see its Aerosmith/Guns N Roses, but i know thats the ticket. haha.
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AWESOME! That's one of my earliest shows as well. My parents took me at Merriweather. I can still remember them covering my ears during Axl's profanity-laced intro to "Used to Love Her." Then they bought me the tshirt with the robot attacking the woman whose top was ripped open. Radical.
Originally posted by le sonick:
its Aerosmith/Guns N Roses
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What is it that would possess you to ask me such a dumb ass question??
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
Just wondering: Were you one of those black kids raised by white parents, and you only discovered hip-hop once you went to college?
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Why is it a dumbass question? You're much more into the whole rock and roll thing than any black person I've ever known. I'm just wondering how it happened, and how you got turned on to rock and roll before getting into hip-hop?
Originally posted by TheDirector217:
What is it that would possess you to ask me such a dumb ass question??
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
Just wondering: Were you one of those black kids raised by white parents, and you only discovered hip-hop once you went to college?
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
Why is it a dumbass question?
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you're asking someone who referred to a song they loved in 1984 why they were into rock before hip-hop.
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That's not the question I asked. But I'll bite. If that WERE the question, why is it a dumbass question?
Originally posted by SalParadise:
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
Why is it a dumbass question?
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you're asking someone who referred to a song they loved in 1984 why they were into rock before hip-hop. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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I was simply baiting you, as I suspected it was a race-motivated question. Not racist, but race motivated. I've heard it a million times before. Middle-aged white men shocked by a young black cat with vast rock knowledge. *sigh* But I'll be happy to answer your dumb ass question. ;)
Hip-hop didn't really get a stranglehold on me (and pretty much everyone else outside the 5 boroughs) until 84-85. The 3 records responsible for that were Newcleus, "Jam On It", "The Show", & Raising Hell - of course. Before that I was pretty much enamored with Michael Jackson, Bob Marley, Kool & The Gang, & Duran Duran. Plus whatever else was on Q107, MTV, & Casey Kasem's American Top 40. Hence my memories of Diamond Dave. Granted I was only 6 at the time, but I've got a Rain Man-like memory.
The seed of all this was my pop's record collection. It's quite bananas. Aretha, The Four Tops, Chaka Khan, Bob James, Peter Tosh, & Bob sat right next to The Boss, Pablo Cruise (yes, Pablo Cruise), & Elton John. Most black folk 28 & up would think nothing of that. Case en point: My barber is 32 & about as hip-hop as it gets much like myself. Yet the first two concerts he ever saw in his life were Kiss & Van Halen. Before hip-hop came along, black folk weren't as compartmentalized with their musical selection. Another barber at my shop who's pushing 40 likes Journey, believe it or not. Their taste was reflected by popular black bands of that period like The Time (one of my all-time favorites), Ohio Players, etc. who were essentially R&B rock bands. If that makes sense. Hope I've provided some insight.
Contrary to your earlier statement, rock is not exclusive to white people. Music is the universal language. Remember that.
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
Why is it a dumbass question? You're much more into the whole rock and roll thing than any black person I've ever known. I'm just wondering how it happened, and how you got turned on to rock and roll before getting into hip-hop?
Originally posted by TheDirector217:
What is it that would possess you to ask me such a dumb ass question??
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
Just wondering: Were you one of those black kids raised by white parents, and you only discovered hip-hop once you went to college?
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Originally posted by TheDirector217:
Hip-hop didn't really get a stranglehold on me (and pretty much everyone else outside the 5 boroughs) until 84-85.
i thought you were like 25?
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Thanks for that very interesting answer.
I never meant to imply that rock is exclusive to white people. I was just saying that you're way more into rock and roll than any black person I've known personally. That being said, you're way more into rock and roll than almost any white person I've known. ;)
Originally posted by TheDirector217:
I was simply baiting you, as I suspected it was a race-motivated question. Not racist, but race motivated. I've heard it a million times before. Middle-aged white men shocked by a young black cat with vast rock knowledge. *sigh* But I'll be happy to answer your dumb ass question. ;)
Hip-hop didn't really get a stranglehold on me (and pretty much everyone else outside the 5 boroughs) until 84-85. The 3 records responsible for that were Newcleus, "Jam On It", "The Show", & Raising Hell - of course. Before that I was pretty much enamored with Michael Jackson, Bob Marley, Kool & The Gang, & Duran Duran. Plus whatever else was on Q107, MTV, & Casey Kasem's American Top 40. Hence my memories of Diamond Dave. Granted I was only 6 at the time, but I've got a Rain Man-like memory.
The seed of all this was my pop's record collection. It's quite bananas. Aretha, The Four Tops, Chaka Khan, Bob James, Peter Tosh, & Bob sat right next to The Boss, Pablo Cruise (yes, Pablo Cruise), & Elton John. Most black folk 28 & up would think nothing of that. Case en point: My barber is 32 & about as hip-hop as it gets much like myself. Yet the first two concerts he ever saw in his life were Kiss & Van Halen. Before hip-hop came along, black folk weren't as compartmentalized with their musical selection. Another barber at my shop who's pushing 40 likes Journey, believe it or not. Their taste was reflected by popular black bands of that period like The Time (one of my all-time favorites), Ohio Players, etc. who were essentially R&B rock bands. If that makes sense. Hope I've provided some insight.
Contrary to your earlier statement, rock is not exclusive to white people. Music is the universal language. Remember that.
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
Why is it a dumbass question? You're much more into the whole rock and roll thing than any black person I've ever known. I'm just wondering how it happened, and how you got turned on to rock and roll before getting into hip-hop?
Originally posted by TheDirector217:
What is it that would possess you to ask me such a dumb ass question??
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
Just wondering: Were you one of those black kids raised by white parents, and you only discovered hip-hop once you went to college?
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Originally posted by le sonick:
Originally posted by TheDirector217:
Hip-hop didn't really get a stranglehold on me (and pretty much everyone else outside the 5 boroughs) until 84-85.
i thought you were like 25? [/b]
Close but nah. Let's just say 30 hasn't come for me & leave it at that. Shouldn't be hard. Go head & get your Nancy Drew on, Sonick. The truth is out there . . .
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Originally posted by le sonick:
Originally posted by TheDirector217:
Hip-hop didn't really get a stranglehold on me (and pretty much everyone else outside the 5 boroughs) until 84-85.
i thought you were like 25? [/b]
he says in that post he was 6 in 84' or '85... i mean, i'm no mathematician but...
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
Thanks for that very interesting answer.
I never meant to imply that rock is exclusive to white people. I was just saying that you're way more into rock and roll than any black person I've known personally. That being said, you're way more into rock and roll than almost any white person I've known. :D
I'm a music nut. Classify me as the exception as opposed to the rule.
But I get the creeping sense that most boardies here aren't really hip-hop heads, and others have expressed either casual listening or complete disdain. So I see no need to really flex that knowledge. It's a "speak to the natives in a language they can understand" type deal . . .
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Originally posted by miss pretentious:
Originally posted by le sonick:
Originally posted by TheDirector217:
Hip-hop didn't really get a stranglehold on me (and pretty much everyone else outside the 5 boroughs) until 84-85.
i thought you were like 25? [/b]
he says in that post he was 6 in 84' or '85... i mean, i'm no mathematician but... [/b]
She's so brainy. *sigh* Like a sexy version of Penny from Inspector Gadget.
You're so dreamy, Miss P. :p
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Originally posted by Brian Wallace:
A woman suddenly appeared less sexy because she thought A Fire Inside rocked harder than the Clash? Really?
Maybe he's one of those "smart beats sexy" kind of guys. I am. But I'd still bang her even if she had bad taste in music, because it's a lot cheaper to take a cute girl who has bad taste and fix her taste then it is to take an ugly girl who has great taste and make her cute.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by Brian Wallace:
A woman suddenly appeared less sexy because she thought A Fire Inside rocked harder than the Clash? Really?
Maybe he's one of those "smart beats sexy" kind of guys. I am. But I'd still bang her even if she had bad taste in music, because it's a lot cheaper to take a cute girl who has bad taste and fix her taste then it is to take an ugly girl who has great taste and make her cute. [/b]
it's a wonder what a week of relaxing in the o.c. does to you.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by Brian Wallace:
A woman suddenly appeared less sexy because she thought A Fire Inside rocked harder than the Clash? Really?
Maybe he's one of those "smart beats sexy" kind of guys. I am. But I'd still bang her even if she had bad taste in music, because it's a lot cheaper to take a cute girl who has bad taste and fix her taste then it is to take an ugly girl who has great taste and make her cute. [/b]
Maybe it also struck a chord and made him realize that he's too 'mature' to be hitting on the check-out girl at Hot Topic.
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Originally posted by TheDirector217:
She's so brainy. *sigh* Like a sexy version of Penny from Inspector Gadget.
Wasn't Penny played by Michelle Trachtenberg in the real-life Inspector Gadget movie? I adore her... not neccessarily the 1998-ish version, but circa 2007, oh yeah.