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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: SalParadise on May 15, 2007, 10:52:00 am
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(there has to be other fans here..?)
at the end of sunday's episode (which was pretty much "wow"), does Tony yell "I did it!" or "I get it!"?
i've been wondering..
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I am pretty sure he yelled "I did it"
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i did it
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Originally posted by pdx pollard:
I am pretty sure he yelled "I did it"
that's what i thought i heard.
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yeah, i did it was what he yelled, i took it as him "admitting" that he killed ____ earlier in the show, as he seemed stricken with guilt the whole episode.
i cant believe it happened like that, i figured he would've gone in a firestorm of bullets or something.....sad!
any predictions for the last 3 shows?
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I thought I heard "I did it" but a bunch of other things I've read say he said "I get it"
I get it! (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/14/AR2007051400384.html)
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Originally posted by eros:
I thought I heard "I did it" but a bunch of other things I've read say he said "I get it"
I get it! (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/14/AR2007051400384.html)
i've read the "i get it" theories too. wanted to see y'alls take on it..
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Originally posted by le sonick:
yeah, i did it was what he yelled, i took it as him "admitting" that he killed ____ earlier in the show, as he seemed stricken with guilt the whole episode.
i cant believe it happened like that, i figured he would've gone in a firestorm of bullets or something.....sad!
any predictions for the last 3 shows?
yeah, i feel bad for ___ too. but you really think Tony was feeling that guilty?
at the wake he just seemed more annoyed than anything else ("is he fucking james brown now??".. i cracked up).
david chase is totally fucking with us. i really don't know what's in store. the NY/NJ war will come to a head obviously.
i have no idea how AJ's story will play out..
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Is this season better than last year's?
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Originally posted by le sonick:
any predictions for the last 3 shows?
- Paulie (who has been GREAT this season) doesn't seem very long for this earth. Probably at the hands of the NY family.
- Bobby gets pinched for killing the guy in the laundromat and he and Janice rat out Tony.
- AJ commits suicide.
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Aside from the AJ prediction, I think those other two are correct. That's what I've been thinking as well.
I really want the last scene to be the ducks flying back into the pool.
These past two episodes are some of the best television I've ever seen. I will be sad to see this show go.
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We thought he was saying "I get it" and it was a reference to the light in the horizon. The light was like the ones he would see in his dreams while in a coma. There was also a light reference after he ate peyote and was puking in the bathroom.
Did anyone else think that when he said "he's dead" at the roulette table, he was referring to Christopher being bad luck for him and the reason he was losing bets so much?
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Originally posted by K8teebug:
I really want the last scene to be the ducks flying back into the pool.
Good call. Wouldn't be surprised at all to see that.
The other plotline they keep flirting with is the whole Middle Eastern/terrorist thing. That has some potential to make for a very interesting (but probably too over-the-top) ending.
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Originally posted by eros:
Originally posted by le sonick:
any predictions for the last 3 shows?
- Paulie (who has been GREAT this season) doesn't seem very long for this earth. Probably at the hands of the NY family.
- Bobby gets pinched for killing the guy in the laundromat and he and Janice rat out Tony.
- AJ commits suicide. [/b]
good work.
paulie was especially great two episodes ago.
chrissy: "when am i getting my money?"
paulie: "when you suck it out of my ass!"
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Did you notice the ducks in the episode on Sunday, when they dumped the trash in the marsh?
A great Paulie this week:
"Cock suckin fuckin money"
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Also, when Paulie ran over Christopher's yard, he ran over a wooden duck.
I like the Janice betrayal angle. His mother and uncle have betrayed him so far, but his sister has been loyal. Bobby getting pinched would be just the thing to send her farther over the edge.
I don't think it'll be too over the top though. I think it'll be subtle. I only say that b/c the creator was talking about how gangster movies always ended with the boss either dead or in jail, and he wanted something different.
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also, affirmative on the roulette table observation.
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i know i asked about predictions, but didnt state any of my own.
its because i have NO idea!! i cant imagine this show is actually ending...there are a few things though, as people have touched on that need to be tied up, i tried to take a look character by character and if they need to be "taken care of" or no.
AJ, Paulie, Phil, Janice and Bobby all seem to need some closure. Carmella and Tony, of course, but i still wouldnt doubt they remain alive and out of prison in 3 weeks.
most of the other characters are either dead or really havent played a part in this most recent season, therefore leaving no real storyline hanging (Meadow, Silvio and Junior).
so yeah, AJ and Phil Leotardo will be big ole parts of the last 3, Paulie should be too and perhaps Janice and Bobby, though something tells me they just may leave them be.
i think Paulie lives, and Phil is a goner soon.
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Originally posted by The Parkers are dead:
Did anyone else think that when he said "he's dead" at the roulette table, he was referring to Christopher being bad luck for him and the reason he was losing bets so much?
yes!
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Originally posted by brennser:
Originally posted by The Parkers are dead:
Did anyone else think that when he said "he's dead" at the roulette table, he was referring to Christopher being bad luck for him and the reason he was losing bets so much?
yes! [/b]
yep, me too.
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For what its worth, watching the episode with Closed Captioning turned on the quote was "I get it" - clearly captioning can be wrong but thats what it said.
During the roulette scene he said "he's dead"
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I had a whole conversation with someone the other day about the ducks. We can't agree on what they really stand for. Any thoughts?
Originally posted by K8teebug:
Aside from the AJ prediction, I think those other two are correct. That's what I've been thinking as well.
I really want the last scene to be the ducks flying back into the pool.
These past two episodes are some of the best television I've ever seen. I will be sad to see this show go.
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Originally posted by P Harmony:
I had a whole conversation with someone the other day about the ducks. We can't agree on what they really stand for. Any thoughts?
Tony's penis.
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The synopsis on HBO.com says that he says "I get it."
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Originally posted by eros:
Originally posted by le sonick:
any predictions for the last 3 shows?
- Paulie (who has been GREAT this season) doesn't seem very long for this earth. Probably at the hands of the NY family.
- Bobby gets pinched for killing the guy in the laundromat and he and Janice rat out Tony.
- AJ commits suicide. [/b]
you were *almost* prophetic...
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Originally posted by SalParadise:
Originally posted by eros:
Originally posted by le sonick:
any predictions for the last 3 shows?
- Paulie (who has been GREAT this season) doesn't seem very long for this earth. Probably at the hands of the NY family.
- Bobby gets pinched for killing the guy in the laundromat and he and Janice rat out Tony.
- AJ commits suicide. [/b]
you were *almost* prophetic... [/b]
The preview for the last two shows leaves at least 2 for 3 a strong possibility.
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I'm still letting this episode soak in.
wow.
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I was underwhelmed with last night's episode. With only two episodes left, I think they have a lot of story lines to cover.
Is the finale going to be longer than one hour?
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Originally posted by SalParadise:
you were *almost* prophetic...
Almost...I was wondering is he would pull a "Christopher" on his own son too.
Why will they not let the Middle East/terrorism plotline die? The meeting with the FBI guys, the multiple references to Iran/Iraq, AJ surfing on aljazeera.com.
Either Chase is trying to show how the war on trrr is somehow symbolic to Tony's life, or the final episode will end with a mushroom cloud over NYC.
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Awesome episode!
AWESOME: NJ Star-Ledger: Sopranos Rewind: The Second Coming
http://blog.nj.com/alltv/2007/05/sopranos_rewind_the_second_com.html#more (http://blog.nj.com/alltv/2007/05/sopranos_rewind_the_second_com.html#more)
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yeah, just watched it and I thought it was pretty great - rivetting, depressing, intense
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I have really been enjoying these recaps
http://mattzollerseitz.blogspot.com/2007/05/sopranos-mondays-season-6-ep-18-second.html (http://mattzollerseitz.blogspot.com/2007/05/sopranos-mondays-season-6-ep-18-second.html)
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My predictions for next episode (2 wks away):
Phil puts the hit out on Tony, but someone else gets in the way...Bobby? Silvio? Paulie? Someone big goes.
I think they might play up the threatening Meadow more. I wonder if she doesn't get caught in the cross fire before it's all said and done.
Basically, I think they're setting us up for alot of tragedy. Maybe Tony doesn't die or get put in jail, but I'm guessing alot of people on his side of the fence will.
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Originally posted by K8teebug:
Maybe Tony doesn't die or get put in jail, but I'm guessing alot of people on his side of the fence will.
Yes. David Chase has said that he never liked the old mob movies because they always had one of two endings - the main character is either dead or in jail. I think the fate Tony will suffer will be worse than either of those.
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I heard that as well. I'm actually glad it won't end with him either being dead or in jail, but I agree that it's going to be worse.
Anyone else catch that Tony suffocated Christopher and AJ tried to off himself by the same method?
Also, a duck flew over their heads during this scene.
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I don't think Meadow will die - that was done in Godfather III. Chase is intentionally not doing what's been done before (Goodfellas, Godfather, etc.) Tony could come out on top but he'll lose everything that 'meant' something to him (IE. family, etc.) Like when they were talking about Paulie and that Tony and his reputation was all he had left. Tony is in a similar situation. Like Vito he won't be able to escape The Life.
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Somebody's gonna whack Paulie, it's just a question of who. My bet's on Tony doing it but it wouldn't surprise me if it's Phil. Either way, I'll be glad to see him get bumped off because he's just really annoying.
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WTF?! Dude. Paulie Walnuts is one of the BEST FUCKING CHARACTERS! I don't think you DESERVE to see the final two.
(I can see Phil wacking him)
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Originally posted by K8teebug:
[QB] My predictions for next episode (2 wks away):
Phil puts the hit out on Tony, but someone else gets in the way...Bobby? Silvio? Paulie? Someone big goes.
How about Carmela?
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Originally posted by RustyOrgan:
WTF?! Dude. Paulie Walnuts is one of the BEST FUCKING CHARACTERS! I don't think you DESERVE to see the final two.
(I can see Phil wacking him)
Don't get me wrong--- I think he's a brilliant character, and it's been fun watching him go from cold-hearted, detached killer to a guy who's got no close personal relationships. I just love to hate him! Since his mom/aunt/whatever died he's been a pretty lonely dude. Whenever he does interact with people (you really can't call Tony his friend although I guess that's as close as Paulie gets), he's got nothing worth saying.
Hmmmmm... maybe he ends up dead in his house under a stack of newspapers, after the neighbors complain about the smell?
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I love Paulie. Even though he's annoying as hell. I really don't want him to die.
Bobby gets in the way of Phil killing Tony. It makes the most sense.
I am going to suffer severe Sopranos withdraw this Sunday.
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A friend of mine and I were talking the other night about how a cool spin off of the Soprano's would be about Paulie and Tony's father.
We could see paulie tell a trooper he knows Barney Fife
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heh. I hope that by 'cool' you mean 'shitty'
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Wow...
The build up to Bobby getting killed was great.
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yeah, last night was awesome
Originally posted by The Parkers are dead:
Wow...
The build up to Bobby getting killed was great.
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Last night's show was pretty great, but I've got a gripe. Am I the only one who was bugged by the fact that Phil's crew planned to take out Tony, Sylvio, and Bobby simultaneously, yet Bobby and Syl get hit and Tony finds out before any attempt is made on him? I know things don't always go as planned, but if your plan was to decapitate Tony's crew, wouldn't you start with Tony and make sure you got at least one shot at him before you went after the smaller fish? Hell of a suspenseful episode, though.
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Incredible episode. Incredible show. Perfect.
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I don't think it seemed strange that they went after Silvio and Bobby before the other guys. Maybe they just knew where they would be.
I read that originally, this was supposed to be the last episode. Strange seeing Tony back in his mother's house.
The scene with Dr. Melfi was terrific. Hell, the entire episode was terrific.
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I don't think it seemed strange that they went after Silvio and Bobby before the other guys. Maybe they just knew where they would be.
Yeah, that's what I figured for an explanation. It's just that I can imagine Tony picking up the pieces after losing those two, but I can't imagine anyone, even Silvio, stepping in for Tony. So I guess in my perfect gangster world, I'd make sure I got a shot at Tony before going after the others. Of course, the botched hit on Phil shows that they don't live in a perfect world, so I should just shut up about that!
Was that Tony's mom's house at the end? I thought it was just some random house.
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It was Tony's Mom's house.
I couldn't get over all the "end" imagery. The train coming into the station, Departure magazine, When the Music's Over...
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That's cool it was her house. At first I thought it was, then after they got inside I thought it wasn't. It's been a long time since I've seen that place.
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Was it his Mother's house or was it Junior's house?
Did anyone notice the cardboard cut out of Silvio in the living room?
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It was just an anonymous safe-house:
Awesome. The Star-Ledger: Sopranos Rewind: The Blue Comet
http://blog.nj.com/alltv/2007/06/sopranos_rewind_the_blue_comet.html (http://blog.nj.com/alltv/2007/06/sopranos_rewind_the_blue_comet.html)
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I actually went from thinking Mom's house to Junior's house to some random safe house, just b/c that made more sense in terms of hiding out. Didn't see the Silvio cutout. I knew it was gonna be a good episode when it started out with Silvio doing some strangling.
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Just got finished watching the episode and I agree with all of the comments about last night's episode. The scene is the model train store was absolutely fabulous.
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In the words of Kosmette... "I just lost a couple years of life" That must have been a couple of the most stressful minutes ever on TV and a great way to end the series.
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I thought my cable went out, seriously.
Anyway, I like closure. I was rooting for all members of the Sopranos to be massacred in that restaurant and I hope that's what happened.
:)
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yeah we were looking to make sure the DVR hadn't turned off... i recall saying that chase didn't a cliched ending and it certainly wasn't one
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Add George Segal smacking the side of his TV and Kyle Gass opening a book and it's the same ending as "The Cable Guy."
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beautiful.
tony's looking at his gorgeous daughter walking into the diner.. just as suspicious dude has walked back out of the bathroom and put a gun to his head. and it all goes black.
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I loved how the final scene was probably just a normal diner scene with that guy waiting for someone, and everyone thinks he was probably there to shoot tony.
Loved the ending. I'm glad that they resolved who was going to testify. They were sort of making it look like it might be Paulie. Glad it wasn't.
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You can give 2007 back to the Indians!
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i had that same sense that Paulie was possibly the snitch... was also wondering if the FBI weren't in the diner to arrest Tony... i dug the fact that the safe place to be was a mobster funeral due to FBI presence. AJ complete transformation from whiny bitch to material boy was pretty funny.
and did anyone else think the whole sit down seemed to go a bit to smoothly? obviously it was only an hour show but still...
So who else thought the cat was Christopher
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I thought the cat was Adrianna.
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Originally posted by The Parkers are dead:
You can give 2007 back to the Indians!
ha. him sitting down at the "kids" table and unzipping his pants.
i thought he was gonna get got during a couple of scenes (him walking into the empty bing especially). glad he wasn't.
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The Sopranos - Perfect.
http://blog.nj.com/alltv/2007/06/sopranos_rewind_made_in_americ.html (http://blog.nj.com/alltv/2007/06/sopranos_rewind_made_in_americ.html)
"From the start, Chase has used "The Sopranos" as an indictment of modern American values and how, time after time, we all sacrifice principle in favor of self-interest. Maybe A.J. had achieved enlightenment or maybe not. But Tony and Carmela couldn't have their little boy risking his own life in the military (they wanted him to get the discipline without the risk), so they anesthetized him back into the materialistic lifestyle they understand so well. This is what America makes today, Chase seemed to be saying: permissive, selfish parents and kids who mimic them."
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hmmm posted on another forum
"I believe Tony was killed (remember Sil saying that you never hear it coming?) Someone on another website pointed out that almost every extra in the diner had reason to kill Tony- the man in the Member's Only jacket was Phil Leotardo's nephew, the African-American kids were the ones who staged the first hit on Tony, the truck driver was the brother of the DVD truck driver that got killed (he had to identify the body)."
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The only reference to those people I've found so far was a random HBO forum post. Would be interesting if that were the case.
I liked that we also got a glimpse of all the FBI surviellence on Tony (with the phone calls)
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In an old episode it was either Tony or Sil that said something along the lines of "you never hear/see it coming. one second you're there and the next eveything goes black" just like the final scene.
Leads me to believe he was killed.
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the whole thing leads me to believe that you can believe whatever you want.
he wasnt killed, he wasnt arrested...not that we saw....and therefore we can all dream up whatever ending we want. but the simple fact is, nothing officially happened after the screen went black.
more importantly, i think that after watching 86 episodes of this show and seeing the ending...and you saw it coming as soon as the last song came on, that sometimes, in the telling of the story, the ending isn't the most important part. Maybe its a hard thing to graps when in most every other series finale there is a definite sense of closure (i think , i've only seen one series finale and thats Friends, but certainly there was finality then).
I like the fact that we dont know what happened. i think he got capped too. its like, thats what happens, it all goes black...
i thought it was a fucking masterpiece and cant wait to get the last season on DVD so i can watch all 86 episodes over again! :)
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Since last night, the more I think about it, the more I like the way the series ended. I imagine that there was a good amount of "America" that was expecting certain things to happen and those things did not materialize in the ending that we saw.
The first other show's series finale that I thought about afterwards was the ending of Cheers. If I remember correctly, the bar closed for the evening, not forever. Things and life keep going on, maybe not in the way we hope or predict.
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http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv/2007/06/13/2007-06-13_he_aint_singin_sopranos_film-2.html (http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv/2007/06/13/2007-06-13_he_aint_singin_sopranos_film-2.html)
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BY DAVID HINCKLEY
DAILY NEWS ENTERTAINMENT COLUMNIST
Wednesday, June 13th 2007, 4:00 AM
Out of the firestorm that exploded from Sunday night's controversial finale of "The Sopranos" yesterday came the voice of the man who lit the match.
David Chase, creator of the HBO drama, told The Star-Ledger of Newark he had no intention of discussing the finale and little interest in continuing the story down the line with a movie.
Frustrating as it may sound, both those instincts are correct.
The final scene Sunday had Tony, Carmela and A.J. sitting at Holsten's in Bloomfield, N.J., munching on onion rings while the eye of a nervous camera darted around the joint. Ominous music played. An unidentified man got up from the counter. Meadow arrived, late and tense.
Then the screen went black and the eight-year, 86-episode "Sopranos" saga was over.
Asked about this scene, Chase said, "I have no interest in explaining, defending, reinterpreting or adding to what is there."
Many of the 11.9 million viewers felt no such reluctance.
Some said the ambiguous ending fit the show. A more vocal segment howled that Chase had punked out of giving this long, complex drama any resolution.
"It's like getting to the end of a book and finding the last page has been ripped out," said WFAN morning host Mike Francesa.
Francesa suggested Chase left James Gandolfini's Tony alive so he could be revived for a movie - a suggestion fueled by actor Steven Van Zandt's comment Sunday night that "who knows" what could happen down the line.
Chase told The Star-Ledger a "Sopranos" movie is unlikely, but didn't whack the notion altogether.
"I never say never," he said. "An idea could pop into my head where I would go, 'Wow, that would make a great movie.' But I doubt it. ... I think we've kind of said it and done it."
He's right.
Yes, the ending Sunday night drove you nuts. Yes, that cut-to-black felt like a cheap gimmick and yes, your instinctive response was to want more.
Well, you can't always get what you want.
Even beyond the fact this ending triggered more passionate discussion than anything on TV since the invasion of Baghdad, it was true to the show.
Chase has always made us uneasy, has never bought into good guy-bad guy justice, and laughs out loud at the idea anything in life is ever wrapped up neatly.
An e-mail came in yesterday from reader Noah Buschel suggesting Chase said in the whole last episode what he's been saying all along: that America is uncomfortably like the mob. Both deal in a currency of violence and as a result spend their lives looking over their shoulders, never sure what lies behind the simplest move or the quietest shadow.
Fun as a movie could be, it wouldn't add much to that.
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Awesome last episode. Perfect. A 10!
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Closure is overrated. Americans need to get over their culturally-induced need for it.
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amen.
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Originally posted by wanderlust aka j. marshmallow:
I thought my cable went out, seriously.
I think the last episode in Season 6 clipped off quickly as well...
I haven't watched this last season yet, I don't have HBO, so I rent the dvds. Turns out, Netflix has removed season 7 from the inventory as the demand for the dvd is too high. They apologize. :confused:
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Hillary Clinton is an evil witch, but this campaign spot is pretty good:
Clinton channels the Sopranos (http://www.hillaryclinton.com/?splash=1)
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Hillary Clinton is an evil witch, but this campaign spot is pretty good:
Clinton channels the Sopranos (http://www.hillaryclinton.com/?splash=1)
That was pretty good. Too bad about the song choice.