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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer on October 05, 2004, 05:29:00 pm
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yesssssssssssssssssssssssssss!
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
yesssssssssssssssssssssssssss!
Did the Orioles finally stop paying Albert Bell or something?
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
yesssssssssssssssssssssssssss!
Did the Orioles finally stop paying Albert Bell or something? [/b]
Ha ha ha! I think that they did that last year. They are still paying Sidney Ponson to sit around and eat ho-ho's, so don't you worry...
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Sidney Ponson= 8-3 after the all-star break.
Originally posted by keithstg:
Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
yesssssssssssssssssssssssssss!
Did the Orioles finally stop paying Albert Bell or something? [/b]
Ha ha ha! I think that they did that last year. They are still paying Sidney Ponson to sit around and eat ho-ho's, so don't you worry... [/b]
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Sidney Ponson= 8-3 after the all-star break.
Originally posted by keithstg:
Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
yesssssssssssssssssssssssssss!
Did the Orioles finally stop paying Albert Bell or something? [/b]
Ha ha ha! I think that they did that last year. They are still paying Sidney Ponson to sit around and eat ho-ho's, so don't you worry... [/b]
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Oooh, goody! Almost makes you forget that 11-15 record and the 5.30 era and 1.55 whip. That, and the 40 extra pounds does not a number one starter make.
Believe me, I would like to see the Orioles make some good moves (and they made one in signing Tejada). But they don't, and Angelos doesn't respect his fans.
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I didn't realize Angelos had any fans.
Originally posted by keithstg:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Sidney Ponson= 8-3 after the all-star break.
Originally posted by keithstg:
Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
yesssssssssssssssssssssssssss!
Did the Orioles finally stop paying Albert Bell or something? [/b]
Ha ha ha! I think that they did that last year. They are still paying Sidney Ponson to sit around and eat ho-ho's, so don't you worry... [/b]
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Oooh, goody! Almost makes you forget that 11-15 record and the 5.30 era and 1.55 whip. That, and the 40 extra pounds does not a number one starter make.
Believe me, I would like to see the Orioles make some good moves (and they made one in signing Tejada). But they don't, and Angelos doesn't respect his fans. [/b]
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Orioles fans, I meant.
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Originally posted by keithstg:
That, and the 40 extra pounds does not a number one starter make. [/QB]
Bartolo Colon is the exception to that rule.
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Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Originally posted by keithstg:
That, and the 40 extra pounds does not a number one starter make. [/b]
Bartolo Colon is the exception to that rule. [/QB]
or David Wells?
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But his ERA was nearly the same as Ponson's. Colon got much better run support.
Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Originally posted by keithstg:
That, and the 40 extra pounds does not a number one starter make. [/b]
Bartolo Colon is the exception to that rule. [/QB]
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
But his ERA was nearly the same as Ponson's. Colon got much better run support.
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Colon actually pitched alot of good games, his ERA was inflated by a bunch of bad outings at the beginning of the year when his back hurt but wouldnt admit it at the time. I'm sure the extra poundage added to the ailing back.
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well yeah, you could say the same thing about Ponson
Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
But his ERA was nearly the same as Ponson's. Colon got much better run support.
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Colon actually pitched alot of good games, his ERA was inflated by a bunch of bad outings at the beginning of the year when his back hurt but wouldnt admit it at the time. I'm sure the extra poundage added to the ailing back. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
well yeah, you could say the same thing about Ponson
Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
But his ERA was nearly the same as Ponson's. Colon got much better run support.
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Colon actually pitched alot of good games, his ERA was inflated by a bunch of bad outings at the beginning of the year when his back hurt but wouldnt admit it at the time. I'm sure the extra poundage added to the ailing back. [/b]
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Maybe, but starting 3-12 (Ponson) is more than a few bad starts. Not that I think Colon is an ace either, mind you.
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Ben Sheets was 3-9 after the all-star break, with a 2.70 ERA.
Yes, Ponson was bad, but he wouldn't have been 3-12 on the Yankees.
Originally posted by keithstg:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
well yeah, you could say the same thing about Ponson
Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
But his ERA was nearly the same as Ponson's. Colon got much better run support.
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Colon actually pitched alot of good games, his ERA was inflated by a bunch of bad outings at the beginning of the year when his back hurt but wouldnt admit it at the time. I'm sure the extra poundage added to the ailing back. [/b]
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Maybe, but starting 3-12 (Ponson) is more than a few bad starts. Not that I think Colon is an ace either, mind you. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Ben Sheets was 3-9 after the all-star break, with a 2.70 ERA.
Yes, Ponson was bad, but he wouldn't have been 3-12 on the Yankees.
At the all-star break, Ponson's ERA was 6.11. Colon's was 6.38.
Originally posted by keithstg:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
well yeah, you could say the same thing about Ponson
Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
But his ERA was nearly the same as Ponson's. Colon got much better run support.
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Colon actually pitched alot of good games, his ERA was inflated by a bunch of bad outings at the beginning of the year when his back hurt but wouldnt admit it at the time. I'm sure the extra poundage added to the ailing back. [/b]
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Maybe, but starting 3-12 (Ponson) is more than a few bad starts. Not that I think Colon is an ace either, mind you. [/b]
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did you say "ace"?
<img src="http://sports.trb.com/images/baseball/mlb/allsport/boston/schilling_curt2.jpg" alt=" - " />
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
did you say "ace"?
<img src="http://sports.trb.com/images/baseball/mlb/allsport/boston/schilling_curt2.jpg" alt=" - " />
He's one of the few examples, yes.
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Would have had a losing record if he played for Arizona.
Originally posted by keithstg:
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
did you say "ace"?
<img src="http://sports.trb.com/images/baseball/mlb/allsport/boston/schilling_curt2.jpg" alt=" - " />
He's one of the few examples, yes. [/b]
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
[QB] Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
[qb] Ben Sheets was 3-9 after the all-star break, with a 2.70 ERA.
Yes, Ponson was bad, but he wouldn't have been 3-12 on the Yankees.
At the all-star break, Ponson's ERA was 6.11. Colon's was 6.38.
What does Ben Sheets have to do with anything?
Ponson wasn't on the Yankees, so it's useless to speculate. However, giving up 6 runs every 9 innings isn't likely to win many games regardless of who you play for.
All of Colon's statistics this season are better than Poson's, ERA, WHIP, K/9, opposing BA, the whole 9 yards...he even weighs less.
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I'm saying stating a win/loss record is pretty useless. Case in point, Ben Sheets
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
I'm saying stating a win/loss record is pretty useless. Case in point, Ben Sheets
Ok, then see the third line of the post above yours, and realize that Ponson had a horrible season by any standard.
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the sould have trded palmero and a couple other ppl for pitchers...