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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: ggw on March 03, 2007, 08:36:00 pm
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Ebay link (http://cgi.ebay.com/2-Dismemberment-Plan-tickets-Black-Cat-Washington-DC_W0QQitemZ190088771658QQihZ009QQcategoryZ16122QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem).
<small>[ 03-05-2007, 09:05 AM: Message edited by: econo ]</small>
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eeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww ick.
luckily he's donating all proceeds to the Callum Robbins fund, right?
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wtf?
fucking scalpers.
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Deplorable. He had eight thievery tickets up soon after that sold out too.
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What's the big deal? He's profiting off whoever is stupid enough to buy a scalped ticket, not off the sick child.
Bottom line: Don't buy scalped tickets, and you'll put scalpers out of business.
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yeah, excellent. expose me for an asshole without knowing the facts. just like all the tickets I sold for the other part of the fundraiser, the Thievery show, ALL the money is going to the cause. 100% of it. IF I can't donate it when I arrive at the show, I'll donate it through paypal.
lay off; everybody isn't a fucking prick.
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What about the Taylor Hicks tickets you sold for the Florida show? :)
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Originally posted by chokeychicken:
yeah, excellent. expose me for an asshole without knowing the facts. just like all the tickets I sold for the other part of the fundraiser, the Thievery show, ALL the money is going to the cause. 100% of it. IF I can't donate it when I arrive at the show, I'll donate it through paypal.
lay off; everybody isn't a fucking prick.
donating the profits from every show to charity?
i bought one of these:
Ebay link (http://cgi.ebay.com/2-Explosions-in-the-Sky-tickets-Cats-Cradle-NC-3-15_W0QQitemZ190085714028QQihZ009QQcategoryZ16122QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem).
for $10 at the cat's cradle box office -- no service charges. for myself. i could have bought more and sold them at a profit, but i am not like that. hell, i didn't even _have_ to buy a ticket to get into that show, but i felt it the right thing to do.
<small>[ 03-05-2007, 09:06 AM: Message edited by: econo ]</small>
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Originally posted by chokeychicken:
yeah, excellent. expose me for an asshole without knowing the facts. just like all the tickets I sold for the other part of the fundraiser, the Thievery show, ALL the money is going to the cause. 100% of it. IF I can't donate it when I arrive at the show, I'll donate it through paypal.
lay off; everybody isn't a fucking prick.
Okay. I'll buy a pair from you (judging by the "BUY AS MANY AS YOU NEED!" tag, you have more than one pair) and when we meet at will call I will give you a check payable to James Robbins (http://www.desotorecords.com/cal/#check) for the amount of the sale.
Deal?
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scandalous scalping sewer-scum!
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Originally posted by chokeychicken:
yeah, excellent. expose me for an asshole without knowing the facts. just like all the tickets I sold for the other part of the fundraiser, the Thievery show, ALL the money is going to the cause. 100% of it. IF I can't donate it when I arrive at the show, I'll donate it through paypal.
lay off; everybody isn't a fucking prick.
If this is indeed the case why isn't prominently displayed in the ticket listing... Where or not your intentions are honorable, its low to buy tickets to a benefit show with a much beloved band doing a one off reunion and then promptly list them on ebay. And quite frankly I'm not sure the forum wants your type in these parts.
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Why act so surprised chokey that we're skeptical? Take a look at it from our shoes. If you saw a bid posted by a scalper on ebay a day after tickets sold out in 30 seconds, with no mention of the proceeds for the benefit going to a sick child, what would you think? And if you did indeed have the best of intentions, couldn't you actually raise MORE if you prominently displayed that all the money would go to the Robbins family? Because that is how most charity auctions like the ones you were conducting work, no? :)
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Yeah, if he was going to donate it all to the cause, he certainly would've posted that on his listing.
Scalpers are the scum of the earth... but let's be honest here, people who buy from scalpers are also the scum of the earth.
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I'm not going to justify what I'm doing to anybody on this message board; it's not prominetely displayed in the listing because unless you are donating to a charity that Ebay is partnered with (they automatically donate the money before you get paid), then it is against ebay's policy to advertise that the money is being donated. If you do not believe me on this, feel free to contact ebay. Since the Robbins fund is obvioulsy not a charity that Ebay is partnered with, I am not allowed to advertise this fact.
Kosmo, please don't tell me what I am and am not doing. I have sold 6 tickets for the Thievery show and have 2 more to sell, and have raised almost 1,000 dollars. I guarantee that's more money than anybody on this board raised by buying a ticket at face value. As I stated before, if I cannot donate the money directly at the show, I will donate it via paypal.
I should not have to get defensive about this issue on this board. I realize what I do is looked down upon on this board and it is why I do not discuss it. But I pay taxes (probably a lot more than you do) just like any other american citizen on the money I Make, and I never benefit from charity shows. So please, lay off the ethical peptalks.
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FROM http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/fundraising.html (http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/fundraising.html)
Charitable fundraising is a highly regulated area subject to numerous state and federal laws. eBay allows sellers to list items and collect proceeds (in whole or in part) on behalf of charity either with eBay Giving Works (the dedicated program for charity listings on eBay) or without eBay Giving Works (as long as the listings meet our specific guidelines for charitable solicitations).
Violations of this policy may result in a range of actions, including:
** Listing cancellation
** Limits on account privileges
** Account suspension
** Forfeit of eBay fees on cancelled listings
** Loss of PowerSeller status
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chokey, i don't get it... ebay says that you can indeed advertise any charitable auction, with or without using eBay Giving Works, "as long as the listings meet our specific guidelines for charitable solicitations". how are you unable to meet these guidelines? what are they?
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Originally posted by chokeychicken:
I realize what I do is looked down upon on this board and it is why I do not discuss it. But I pay taxes (probably a lot more than you do) just like any other american citizen on the money I Make, and I never benefit from charity shows. So please, lay off the ethical peptalks.
it's looked down upon because it's utterly deplorable, charity shows aside.
you don't have to justify what you are doing because there is no justification whatsoever.
it's unfortunate that you even live near me.
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truly the scum of the earth. gordon gekko level.
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Originally posted by chokeychicken:
I'm not going to justify what I'm doing to anybody on this message board; it's not prominetely displayed in the listing because unless you are donating to a charity that Ebay is partnered with (they automatically donate the money before you get paid), then it is against ebay's policy to advertise that the money is being donated. If you do not believe me on this, feel free to contact ebay. Since the Robbins fund is obvioulsy not a charity that Ebay is partnered with, I am not allowed to advertise this fact.
Kosmo, please don't tell me what I am and am not doing. I have sold 6 tickets for the Thievery show and have 2 more to sell, and have raised almost 1,000 dollars. I guarantee that's more money than anybody on this board raised by buying a ticket at face value. As I stated before, if I cannot donate the money directly at the show, I will donate it via paypal.
I should not have to get defensive about this issue on this board. I realize what I do is looked down upon on this board and it is why I do not discuss it. But I pay taxes (probably a lot more than you do) just like any other american citizen on the money I Make, and I never benefit from charity shows. So please, lay off the ethical peptalks.
Okay. I'll buy a pair from your auction and when we meet at will call I will give you a check payable to James Robbins for the amount of the sale.
Deal?
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Originally posted by HoyaSaxa08:
truly the scum of the earth. gordon gekko level.
...Even worse than Dupek?
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Me thinks that you are justifying your actions to much and the paying more taxes is pure bullshit and a silly smoke screen. Just put it this way your actions are being watched...
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Do you actually report all this scalping income to the IRS?
It's pretty natural for people to assume the worst about scalpers, because what you and your ilk do is so inherently obnoxious. Scalpers are leeches sucking at the lifeblood of the music scene. If you're really going to give all those proceeds to this cause, get a receipt and post it here. Unless you do that, I think people have fair grounds to assume your actions are entirely self-serving.
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Originally posted by kosmo:
Me thinks that you are justifying your actions to much and the paying more taxes is pure bullshit and a silly smoke screen. Just put it this way your actions are being watched...
I believe if you "make" over a certain amount on ebay in a year, based on auctions of things you sold, that they issue a 1099-Misc.
I think everyone needs to knock it off, it's the guy's business and there's zero law against what he's doing. Even if he's going to pocket every penny from those tickets, it's not our business and all this "we don't take kindly to your kind" and "you'll be watched" bull is a bunch of ridiculous posturing. People scalp tickets. It happens. Grow up and get over it.
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Being watched in the fact that he could get banned from the forum, even if what is being done is completely above board or not.
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Originally posted by kosmo:
Being watched in the fact that he could get banned from the forum,
For what? Selling tickets to an event AT A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT CLUB... ON EBAY? Do you and the rest of the staph really have nothing better to do with your time then enforce your feelings on other's personal lives thru this messageboard?
If you want to enforce social mores, try banning GGW for starting a thread linking to someone's personal affairs and throwing up highly inflamatory and inaccurate ad hominym like "________ profits off sick children." CC has kept his business off this board, and it would've stayed off this board if the whole lot of you didn't denegrate into an indie-credo penis-length comparison.
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would you like to join him?
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Originally posted by kosmo:
would you like to join him?
Now there's a mature response!
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kosmo, i find that completely unbelieveable and unncessary. I have contributed positive things to this board for years now; I've been visiting for a long time. I have never caused trouble and I have never done anything to warrant a ban. You banning me would do nobody any good except display your power as a message board administrator, which we all know good and well that you have.
Whether or not you believe that I pay taxes is up to you, man. I'm not going to defend myself unncessarily. I'll be happy to let you speak to my tax attourney and you two can battle to the death. I run a business full time, and I pay the appropriate taxes as a citizen of this country. I'm not saying anything more about it, because me paying taxes is not what this thread is about.
I'm not going to post a receipt of my donation on here, either. I'm not out to prove anything to anybody; I am a light-hearted individual that cares about this music scene and the people involved in it, and wanted to do something to contribute to the Robbins family because I believe in the case. I'm sorry that the way I'm going about doing it isn't satisfactory enough for some of you. But the bottom line is; unless your donation meets strict ebay guidelines, which me either doing a face-to-face donation at the show or sending a payment via paypal does not meet, you cannot, under any circumstances, advertise that something is for charity in the listing. Believe me, I've done it in the past; they'll shut you down in 12 hours or less.
As I've said time and time again, what I do for a living is my decision. It is legal in 90% of the country, and see as a service to most people, and an act of scum to others. I will never convince either party to jump over the line, so I'm not going to try; most of you are well-set in your mindframes, and there's no point trying to convince otherwise; especially when I don't really care that much. At the end of the day, whether or not you agree with what I do for a living does not affect my sleeping patterns. The clients that we have as a business love the service we provide, and come back time and time again. And that's really all that matters.
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whatever... i slightly flex my opinion on something and get flamed for it... rarely do i feel the need to play the moderator here, so there must be some cause for my concern here.
i could care less if what is being done is legal or not, at this point there are several people on this forum who are annoyed by certain actions... so i'm representing the voice of that part of the community and obviously thats not going to make me popular with all. any actions that ended up being taken will be approved by the club staph. and if i've over stepped my bounds i will offer an apology.
and i could give a rats ass about where or not you pay taxes as its a complete non-starter
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Originally posted by kosmo:
i could care less if what is being done is legal or not, at this point there are several people on this forum who are annoyed by certain actions...
I'm fairly certain equal outrage would be produced by the community over the irresponsibility of driving under the influence. So, if I know of a long-time board member who has been convicted of a DUI and post about it, complete with a link to the state's online judicial database, will a ban be forthcoming?
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The fact that something is legal does not make it automatically acceptable... It must not be very fulfilling to make one's life's work such a vapid pursuit.
however, as for a ban... I would say a ban is reasonable if he is profiting off this board -- in other words, if his access to this board somehow facilitates his scalping business. Otherwise it's probably not worth the bother.
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Originally posted by chokeychicken:
kosmo, i find that completely unbelieveable and unncessary. I have contributed positive things to this board for years now; I've been visiting for a long time. I have never caused trouble and I have never done anything to warrant a ban. You banning me would do nobody any good except display your power as a message board administrator, which we all know good and well that you have.
Whether or not you believe that I pay taxes is up to you, man. I'm not going to defend myself unncessarily. I'll be happy to let you speak to my tax attourney and you two can battle to the death. I run a business full time, and I pay the appropriate taxes as a citizen of this country. I'm not saying anything more about it, because me paying taxes is not what this thread is about.
I'm not going to post a receipt of my donation on here, either. I'm not out to prove anything to anybody; I am a light-hearted individual that cares about this music scene and the people involved in it, and wanted to do something to contribute to the Robbins family because I believe in the case. I'm sorry that the way I'm going about doing it isn't satisfactory enough for some of you. But the bottom line is; unless your donation meets strict ebay guidelines, which me either doing a face-to-face donation at the show or sending a payment via paypal does not meet, you cannot, under any circumstances, advertise that something is for charity in the listing. Believe me, I've done it in the past; they'll shut you down in 12 hours or less.
As I've said time and time again, what I do for a living is my decision. It is legal in 90% of the country, and see as a service to most people, and an act of scum to others. I will never convince either party to jump over the line, so I'm not going to try; most of you are well-set in your mindframes, and there's no point trying to convince otherwise; especially when I don't really care that much. At the end of the day, whether or not you agree with what I do for a living does not affect my sleeping patterns. The clients that we have as a business love the service we provide, and come back time and time again. And that's really all that matters.
Okay. I'll buy a pair from your auction and when we meet at will call I will give you a check payable to James Robbins for the amount of the sale.
Deal?
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ok how about this... for now i'm going to back down in order to hopefully defuse the situation, talk of banning anyone is a sensitive issue and needs to be done for the right reasons. however, i think that direct attacks on other members in any form is unacceptable.
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Originally posted by kosmo:
ok how about this... for now i'm going to back down in order to hopefully defuse the situation, talk of banning anyone is a sensitive issue and needs to be done for the right reasons. however, i think that direct attacks on other members in any form is unacceptable.
Then I shall likewise withhold my nasty DUI information, in hopes of returning the board to some semblance of normalcy.
Three cheers for detente!
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Okay. I'll buy a pair from your auction and when we meet at will call I will give you a check payable to James Robbins for the amount of the sale.
Deal? [/QB]
heh... silence...
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/Grabs popcorn/
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Originally posted by King of the Internet:
Originally posted by HoyaSaxa08:
truly the scum of the earth. gordon gekko level.
...Even worse than Dupek? [/b]
Dupek? irrelevant
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since you want to talk about ebay's policies i'll use this example:
Ebay link (http://cgi.ebay.com/1-3-Explosions-in-the-Sky-tickets-Cats-Cradle-NC-3-15_W0QQitemZ190085393715QQihZ009QQcategoryZ16122QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem).
you had this auction up for 1-3 tickets with "buy as many as you need" with a buy it now @ $50. there was 1 left when the auction ended so you sold 2?
ebay's policy:
"Sellers listing event tickets for resale from an eBay site other than www.ebay.com (http://www.ebay.com) for one of the regulated locations listed above, may not exceed the pricing limitations set forth above, regardless of the location of the seller or the buyer. Sellers must also clearly include the following in their listing:
The location where the event will occur, and
If it is a Regulated Location, the face value of the ticket, the number of tickets, and the following text:
Due to laws regulating ticket sales in this area, the seller in this auction will not accept any bids or offers to buy above the total face value $__ printed on the ticket(s), plus $ permitted in some states. Do not bid more than this amount. Bids that exceed this amount are void and will be cancelled by the seller. The seller will end the listing if, and when, this price is met."
on your auction page:
"North Carolina residents: North Carolina state law limits the resale ticket price for this event location, so your maximum bid cannot exceed $63.00. See eBay's ticket policy."
from ebay's information regarding north carolina:
"Connecticut, North Carolina
No more than face value plus $3."
face value was $10 on these tickets. i bought one at the box office. where does $10 + $3 = $63?
just because you manage to find ways to justify things to yourself, doesn't mean that you are not a disgusting individual. it's amazing the things we can convince ourselves if we repeat them over and over again.
you fucking disgust me and i will love to hear about the day you get what you deserve.
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i'm not discussing anything regarding anything except the dismemberment show, because that's what this is about. i cannot even believe this was brought up here; it was totally unnecessary and unreasonable, but that's besides the point as well.
if you feel the need to ban me, then do it, kosmo. but it will be for personal satisfaction and nothing more. i have never earned nor deserve such an action and doing so because you or other members don't believe i'm donating something to a sick child simply blows my mind.
but if you feel the need to ban me, then do it. if that's what helps makes you kids sleep better at night, then do it. i have done nothing but attempt to comply with ebay policy and raise extra money for a charity I was interested in without it coming out of my own pocket; but, like most things around here, it seems that even that cannot be done without somebody bitching about it.
people's personal livse should not affect their status on a message board if said personal life does not affect said message board. i have never caused a problem here and i never will. i visit this message board because i enjoy the discussion and i enjoy some of the members; nothing further. but kosmo, if you feel the need to make this a huge congressional issue, and talk to eddie and talk to the rest of the staff, then please, be my guest. i'll just make your job easier and save you the trial by not posting at all. its no skin off my back whatsoever and every bitter member who apparenly doesn't believe in a free economy can sleep better at night.
only loss will be you'll have to read somebody else's diary to gossip while you all sit in your cubicle during the day. what a pity.
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the only thing i'm going to say on this matter at this point, is that why haven't your responded to GGW's direct request regarding these tickets?
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I just read this thread and I can't believe grown mean can act like such complete fucking dorks over concert tickets.
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I've still seen nothing to disprove the original headline, "Chokeychicken profits off of sick child." That show got huge publicity because it was a benefit, which surely drove up scalped ticket prices... if he were doing this out of charitable instinct, surely he would take GGW up on his offer?
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I read that all of the benefits from original sales of the tickets are benefitting the charity. Did he not pay the price for the tickets, and thus the money is going to the charity?
What he is doing is benefitting off of the poor losers who didn't score tickets and are so desperate that they're willing to pay a premium for tickets.
If the person who started the thread gave a shit about the sick child, they'd spend their energy trying to raise money for the child rather than on being pissy about not getting concert tickets.
Originally posted by They call me Doctor Doom.:
I've still seen nothing to disprove the original headline, "Chokeychicken profits off of sick child." That show got huge publicity because it was a benefit, which surely drove up scalped ticket prices... if he were doing this out of charitable instinct, surely he would take GGW up on his offer?
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Originally posted by kosmo:
the only thing i'm going to say on this matter at this point, is that why haven't your responded to GGW's direct request regarding these tickets?
Because the truth is that he's pocketing all the profits for himself....?
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one more thing to add -- even if theoretically he does plan to give all his profits to the cause -- and there is absolutely NO evidence of that so far beyond his scalper's word -- he will STILL profit because participating in such a red-hot sale helps build his client list.
The real question is, would the Callum Robbins fund want to have been "helped" in this manner? They could've auctioned a block of tickets off on Ebay themselves if they thought that was a good way to raise money.
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Alright. I've let this digest for 24 hours, and while I don't hold scalpers in high regard, I do feel banning chokeychicken would be harsh.
I'm still not sure that he did anything that violated his user agreement to use this board. It's not like this board is how he received any special treatment or obtained a password needed to buy tickets. DCist has been lurking for years and though we scoff at them, there's really no way to stop them from lurking. Most importantly (and rather smartly) CC wasn't using this board to sell his/her tickets.
That being said, GGW had every right to post his discovery and, conversely, CC should not have been afforded any extra protection simply because he is a member of this board. We have flamed many a scalper on this board and will continue to flame scalpers. Ignoring this and any other ebay sale would have been the wrong thing to do. The only difference is that CC chose to defend his/her postition on scalping, most others have not. We have had one or two people in the past attempt to defend their position, but most left after they began to see that the overwhelming majority on this board deplore scalpers and scalping.
I hope that GGW's post does actually earn more money for the charity, and since CC's rep on this board has taken a serious hit, I feel we will begin to hear less and less from CC in the future as he will always be known as a scalper on the board. There's probably little need to ban him as 9:30 Board nature will take its course.
Originally posted by chokeychicken:
lay off; everybody isn't a fucking prick.
That is true sir. But every scalper (http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZticket1chickenQQhtZ-1) is.
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speaking of scalpers:
i spent the afternoon trying to track down tickets for this week's Big East Tournament at Madison Square Garden and found a guy on NYC.craigslist who was nice enough to sell tickets for 4 sessions to me at face value ... AND he's a syracuse fan! the wonders never cease!
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re: banning
i don't see a reason to ban. i think he should just leave on his own.
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Originally posted by They call me Doctor Doom.:
The real question is, would the Callum Robbins fund want to have been "helped" in this manner? They could've auctioned a block of tickets off on Ebay themselves if they thought that was a good way to raise money.
I'll bet they're more concerned about the health of their child and their mounting bills than they are worried about the moral implications of a ticket scalper who hands them a check.
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Maybe its just me, but something tells me that the Callum Robbins fund doesn't give a shit about the issue.
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definitely - the fund itself doesn't care, as it doesn't have any feelings.
people involved with the fund, however, might not be impressed that someone is making money off their fund raiser. these things take time and effort - which should translate into money for the sick kid.
but like you said, maybe its just me.
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Originally posted by sweetcell:
people involved with the fund, however, might not be impressed that someone is making money off their fund raiser. these things take time and effort - which should translate into money for the sick kid.
The sick kid is still getting his money. The people who set up the fundraiser no doubt anticipated a sellout which at $15 per ticket times 600 tickets is $9000. And guess how much they'll get from ticket sales? $9000! It's not as though the 200 he's going to get for a pair to this is going to be deducted from their funds, even if he keeps it. If they wanted to make more money, perhaps they should have set ticket prices higher.
The moral outrage over this has nothing to do with it being a "charity" concert or "sick kids" and everything to do with the opinion of this board on scalping in general. And as is so often the case, the fine denizens of 930.com prove themselves utterly incapable of handling any disagreement with the world they face like mature adults. When confronted with Washington Post articles they dislike instead of writing into the Post, they bitch on here and curse J. Freedom's name. When confronted with evil BigYawn insulting their favorite band instead of sending the editor an email, they bitch on here and cause drama. When confronted with a citizen operating legally within the capitalistic system we have instead of writing their congressman and asking them to change the laws, they bitch on 930.com. Oh, how easy to be an activist in a world where "putting your money where your mouth is" involves no more then logging onto a nightclub's messageboard. And to think, we're the more mature DC-area music messageboard!
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Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:
perhaps they should have set ticket prices higher.
nothing like internet libertarians... :roll:
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Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:
The moral outrage over this has nothing to do with it being a "charity" concert or "sick kids" and everything to do with the opinion of this board on scalping in general. And as is so often the case, the fine denizens of 930.com prove themselves utterly incapable of handling any disagreement with the world they face like mature adults. When confronted with Washington Post articles they dislike instead of writing into the Post, they bitch on here and curse J. Freedom's name. When confronted with evil BigYawn insulting their favorite band instead of sending the editor an email, they bitch on here and cause drama. When confronted with a citizen operating legally within the capitalistic system we have instead of writing their congressman and asking them to change the laws, they bitch on 930.com. Oh, how easy to be an activist in a world where "putting your money where your mouth is" involves no more then logging onto a nightclub's messageboard. And to think, we're the more mature DC-area music messageboard!
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as was the case yesterday, the only thing I have to say regarding this matter at this point... is to ask if there is any indication that chokeychicken has taken up GGW's direct challenge for him to walk to talk regarding his charity giving ways.
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Originally posted by They call me Doctor Doom.:
one more thing to add -- even if theoretically he does plan to give all his profits to the cause -- and there is absolutely NO evidence of that so far beyond his scalper's word -- he will STILL profit because participating in such a red-hot sale helps build his client list.
The real question is, would the Callum Robbins fund want to have been "helped" in this manner? They could've auctioned a block of tickets off on Ebay themselves if they thought that was a good way to raise money.
This is probably the dumbest fucking thing I've ever read on this forum.
You sir, are an idiot.
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i totally didnt think this thread title was literal
but here we are
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Originally posted by They call me Doctor Doom.:
Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:
perhaps they should have set ticket prices higher.
nothing like internet libertarians... :roll: [/b]
I actually think JfcpC has a fairly valid point here. While not condoning the scalping of these tickets, I'm a little shocked that they were only $15 for such a 'hyped' event. They could have still sold out with $45 tickets and the family/fund would have 27 grand instead of 9 grand. As someone who works in the health care policy field, you can spend 9 grand on an ER visit if you don't have insurance. Shit, you've got people coming to this show from all over the country, a $45 ticket is peanuts on top of a $400 air fare plus a hotel stay.
Make is 2 dates and pretty soon you're talking real money.
There would still be scalping but at least the family would have more guaranteeed money.
my 2c
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Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:
The moral outrage over this has nothing to do with it being a "charity" concert or "sick kids" and everything to do with the opinion of this board on scalping in general. And as is so often the case, the fine denizens of 930.com prove themselves utterly incapable of handling any disagreement with the world they face like mature adults.
Because you handled it so much better on the Dismemberment Plan thread:
Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:
Originally posted by RustyOrgan:
Had no problem getting 4. My friend also bought 5 at around the same time..
Unless you all already had people assigned to all those, you're sort of jerks. [/b]
That's also the same thread where you said that if you didn't get tickets, you gladly would have paid a scalper for tickets. You're part of the problem...
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You know, I agree with Julian in this. He makes a lot of sense.
Most of you really think that scalpers are the worst people on the face of this earth? That their actions are "indefensible?" Really? You have that much time to worry about such things? If I were you, I'd a PROPER job. Stop messing around with this school nonsense. Become a politician. I hear Bono needs help saving Africa. He needs you to sell red cell phones.
Is that what you do when you wait for grad school student loan checks? You're THAT concerned about the integrity of a benefit concert for The Dismemberment Plan? $9000? To benefit someone who's sick?
It would be amazing if most of the smug, holier-and-more-indie-than-thou people on this message board devoted their passion, mis-information, lack of perspective, over-education and pretentiousness to something useful or worthwhile.
I mean, it won't HAPPEN, but it's nice to think that it could. Let's face it, 90% of their waking hours over the next week will be devoted to dissecting and deconstructing "The Neon Bible" but, hey, a man can hope...
Brian Wallace
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Originally posted by Brian_Walalce:
It would be amazing if most of the smug, holier-and-more-indie-than-thou people on this message board devoted their passion, mis-information, lack of perspective, over-education and pretentiousness to something useful or worthwhile.
What makes you think we don't?
Clearly, you know nothing about many of us.
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Who really gives a shit about Dismemberment Plan anyway - fuck em.
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like the fact i have no interest in buying and discussing the arcade fire...
bottom line is that cc probably wont be banned because he is a ticket broker, however he will get banned if there is any evidence he is using the forum in which to conduct the business of selling tickets to 9:30 or IMP shows.
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Early front runner for thread of the year.
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i think it would be legit to profit from incubus or buffett fans but not arcade fire, etc. it is really a matter of opinion. but for a charity show - that's low.
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Hey - I just got off the phone with Cal who said (these are his own words) that "though i may be sick with Spinal Muscular Atrophy, ticket scalping might be the worst disease of all." Robbins went on to state that "accepting chokeychicken's 'blood money' would be the same as condoning the practice of scalping which i am opposed to."
There you have it folks - straight from the mouth of babes.
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And an early contender for Post of the Year.
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Originally posted by RustyOrgan:
Hey - I just got off the phone with Cal who said (these are his own words) that "though i may be sick with Spinal Muscular Atrophy, ticket scalping might be the worst disease of all." Robbins went on to state that "accepting chokeychicken's 'blood money' would be the same as condoning the practice of scalping which i am opposed to."
There you have it folks - straight from the mouth of babes.
This isn't funny...at all.
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that is about as crass as it comes... i certainly hope that none of the organizers for these events are lurking here.
and with that i'm closing this thread for the time being...
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by Brian_Walalce:
It would be amazing if most of the smug, holier-and-more-indie-than-thou people on this message board devoted their passion, mis-information, lack of perspective, over-education and pretentiousness to something useful or worthwhile.
What makes you think we don't?
Clearly, you know nothing about many of us. [/b]
speak for yourself!
how dare you accuse brian wal(l)a(l)ce of ignorance!
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hmmm... I guess the fact that CC didn't advertise the way this seller did is the cause for all of this uproar...
ebay link (http://cgi.ebay.com/Thievery-Corporation-Tickets-Black-Cat-DC-SOLD-OUT_W0QQitemZ220088364580QQihZ012QQcategoryZ16122QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
Nonetheless, I guess the above post let's this guy off the hook.
However, if the original ticket sale is going to the fund - AND there is more money raised for the fund - AND someone who did not get tickets in time gets tickets to a show they want to see with the knowledge that they've given more than almost anyone in attendance, isn't everyone a winner?
At least, I think that's part of the principle of free-enterprise anyhow - with extra charity to boot.
Anyway, scalpers seem to be considered a lower form of life than child molesters in some circles. Yet more and more states are loosening or ending legislation against the practice.
In any case - it just doesn't seem like that big a deal. Oh well, I'm off to get back to work - flame me if you must. It won't be the worst thing that happens to me this week.
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