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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: helicon1 on March 05, 2007, 08:09:00 am
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Was at Grizzly Bear last night at the Black Cat (Frickin' great show by the way) -- I arrived mid-way through the first opening act, standing near the soundboard. When they finished, about 50-75 patrons left the room to go smoke. After the second, another 25-50 people left to smoke. By the time Grizzly Bear made the stage, we were five rows from the stage, dead center.
I normally don't emphasize being near the stage at a show, but since sound/sightlines/chatty audience are such a question mark at the cat, I like being closer.
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Pretty nice. I'll have to remember this for LCD Soundsystem. Except they are exceptionally loud, and I don't dance, which pisses off the dance nazis.
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I think its funny how people can't go an hour or two without a cigarette, but hey, their pathetic addiction, my gain.
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Definitely agree on the smoking situation.
I went to see Papercuts, who were great as expected. Best indie pop album of 2007 so far. I'd never heard Grizzly Bear before but of course had seen their name a zillion times on the blogs...
Um, basically, I didn't get it. Dead-serious operetic harmony vocals over Sufjan Stevens-like warblings? Plus autoharp? Is this indie rock circa 2007? I lasted five songs.
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forget floor placement, the real positive effect of the smoking ban: coming home after a night at the club and not smelling like an ashtray. not having your pillow smell like smoke in the morning because your smokey hair was rubbing against it all night. not having to take a shower after the show so that your pillow doesn't smell dank in the morning.
this from a part-time smoker.
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two thoughts on this
1) have you ever thought that some people CAN go 2 hours without a cigarette, they just dont feel like it? or they like to take a break from standing in front of the stage..maybe they wanted to have a piss or get another drink and figured while they were walking around...not everyone smokes every cigarette like a heroin fix, and not everyone's sole goal at a show is to get as close as possible to the stage.
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2) if you smoked, you wouldn't notice that you smell like an ashtray when you get home from the bar! ;)
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Has anyone noticed a larger crowd since the ban? A couple of musicians mentioned to me that they notice a 10-20% increase in crowd when a show is non-smoking. (They mentioned Pittsburgh shows were pretty smokey btw, but nothing like Europe.)
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Originally posted by sweetcell:
forget floor placement, the real positive effect of the smoking ban: coming home after a night at the club and not smelling like an ashtray. not having your pillow smell like smoke in the morning because your smokey hair was rubbing against it all night. not having to take a shower after the show so that your pillow doesn't smell dank in the morning.
this from a part-time smoker.
The downside of course is that you can smell every fart, sweaty armpit and stinky unwashed hair in the bars and clubs.....your own clothes don't smell of farts the next day though, so I'll stay with supporting the smoking ban.
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hell what are the negative effects?? ;)
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ah yes but farts linger for less than a minute before totally disapaiting. smoke hangs in the air all night and clings to everything.
i'll take farts over cigarettes any day.
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Originally posted by nonameface:
(They mentioned Pittsburgh shows were pretty smokey btw, but nothing like Europe.)
i think they have all new places since i lived there, but the old venues were pretty bad Originally posted by le sonick:
have you ever thought that some people CAN go 2 hours without a cigarette, they just dont feel like it?
nope
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I can't blow smoke at people who push and shove their way to get in the free space that's available 7 inches in front of me and then they stare at me like "...back off" when THEY got in front of me.
so i just blow smoke at them the whole show. now i cant!
lame.
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Originally posted by root:
hell what are the negative effects?? ;)
you mean other than allowing the government to legislate away your rights and to force people to conduct themselves in ways the government sees fit? give the govt. an inch, and they'll take a mile.
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
Originally posted by root:
hell what are the negative effects?? ;)
you mean other than allowing the government to legislate away your rights and to force people to conduct themselves in ways the government sees fit? give the govt. an inch, and they'll take a mile. [/b]
Its not time for you to convince the 70% that are for the ban that you have a right to make them breath your smoke.
Go!
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Originally posted by Brandon Brendall, the thief:
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
Originally posted by root:
hell what are the negative effects?? ;)
you mean other than allowing the government to legislate away your rights and to force people to conduct themselves in ways the government sees fit? give the govt. an inch, and they'll take a mile. [/b]
Its not time for you to convince the 70% that are for the ban that you have a right to make them breath your smoke.
Go! [/b]
look. . .just about everyone on here knows how i feel about this issue. it comes down to personal choices- i have absolutely no problem with a club/venue going smoke-free on their own. i would encourage it. i am against government interferring in the ability of an individual to make their own choices. knowing the risks of an establishment that allowed smoking, you could have decided not to go; if enough people make that same decision, the owner will feel that economically.
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Originally posted by Brandon Brendall, the thief:
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
Originally posted by root:
hell what are the negative effects?? ;)
you mean other than allowing the government to legislate away your rights and to force people to conduct themselves in ways the government sees fit? give the govt. an inch, and they'll take a mile. [/b]
Its not time for you to convince the 70% that are for the ban that you have a right to make them breath your smoke.
Go! [/b]
i bet you all wont be so "ban-happy" when they decide to go after alcohol, or the noise level of shows. or perhaps some completely different freedom that you happen to enjoy. but you can thank yourselves for letting the ban-ball rolling.
i'm not threatening, and i am sure you dont see it now, but i agree with the Venerable one, give the govt an inch, they'll take a mile!
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this whole thing equates to: your favourite team having a horrible call go its way, to win a big game.
sure, technically the whole thing was gone about in an unfair, sour, and in a basically cheating manner, but since your team won....
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I don't think the gov't will make a law that the majority of people aren't in favor of. That's why you'll never see abortion banned, no matter how much smoke conservatives blow out their ass.
Originally posted by le sonick:
Originally posted by Brandon Brendall, the thief:
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
Originally posted by root:
hell what are the negative effects?? ;)
you mean other than allowing the government to legislate away your rights and to force people to conduct themselves in ways the government sees fit? give the govt. an inch, and they'll take a mile. [/b]
Its not time for you to convince the 70% that are for the ban that you have a right to make them breath your smoke.
Go! [/b]
i bet you all wont be so "ban-happy" when they decide to go after alcohol, or the noise level of shows. or perhaps some completely different freedom that you happen to enjoy. but you can thank yourselves for letting the ban-ball rolling.
i'm not threatening, and i am sure you dont see it now, but i agree with the Venerable one, give the govt an inch, they'll take a mile! [/b]
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Originally posted by Jack Black, Caucasian American:
I don't think the gov't will make a law that the majority of people aren't in favor of. That's why you'll never see abortion banned, no matter how much smoke conservatives blow out their ass.
they better not blow that smoke at me!! i have a right to breathe clean air!!!!
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the sky is falling! the sky is faaaaaaaaaaaalling!!!
all right then - let's get the ban-ball rolling already! early targets should include:
- bubblegum pop
- people who park taking up two spaces
- people who spill beer on you
- stinky people in crowded club (bonus infraction for heavy perfum/cologne wearers)
- religious funtamentalist preachers
- tasteless beer
take those "freedoms"... please!
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Originally posted by le sonick:
this whole thing equates to: your favourite team having a horrible call go its way, to win a big game.
sure, technically the whole thing was gone about in an unfair, sour, and in a basically cheating manner, but since your team won....
actually, sonick, i see it the other way: your team is on the losing end of a fair, logical call - and you're crying injustice for any reason you can attach to it :p
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Originally posted by sweetcell:
- people who spill beer on you
I would have gladly voted for that one at last night's Scissor Sisters show.
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Originally posted by sweetcell:
Originally posted by le sonick:
this whole thing equates to: your favourite team having a horrible call go its way, to win a big game.
sure, technically the whole thing was gone about in an unfair, sour, and in a basically cheating manner, but since your team won....
actually, sonick, i see it the other way: your team is on the losing end of a fair, logical call - and you're crying injustice for any reason you can attach to it :) :)
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I hope they ban standing at all concerts. I have the right to enjoy the show just as much as the taller people in front of me. Every concert in DC should be seated only.
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Originally posted by floyd:
I hope they ban standing at all concerts. I have the right to enjoy the show just as much as the taller people in front of me. Every concert in DC should be seated only.
but i have bad circulation and i cant sit for that long!!!!
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vote? what, you think you're in a democracy?!? when you set up the analogy (a bad call going your way), there's no talk of voting. when i flip the analogy around to something closer to the truth, in my opnion, all of a sudden it has to go to a vote?!? :)
yup, i'm a part-time smoker. i had 2 cigs on saturday night, first ones in a week, haven't had any since. while i enjoy an occasional cigarette, i'm not waxing over what i'm doing - it's smelly habit that kills. doing it indoors means that i'm hurting others who never asked for my smoke. i'm completely opposed to the notion that one has a "right" to smoke in public places or places open to the public. i realize others disagree. that said, i doubt that i'll completely give it up anytime soon.
Originally posted by le sonick:
did i complain at the forum party when we stepped outside for cigarettes on occasion. personally i kinda like using the cigarette break as an excuse to step away from the party/show whatever.
besides, smoking conversation is always better, something the non-smokers just dont get :) :)
nope, you never complained, and indeed those conversations are a lot of fun. look at it this way - the ban makes us smokers pariahs - instant community!
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Word.
Originally posted by floyd:
I hope they ban standing at all concerts. I have the right to enjoy the show just as much as the taller people in front of me. Every concert in DC should be seated only.
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Originally posted by sweetcell:
vote? what, you think you're in a democracy?!? when you set up the analogy (a bad call going your way), there's no talk of voting. when i flip the analogy around to something closer to the truth, in my opnion, all of a sudden it has to go to a vote?!? :)
exactly, because had their been a vote, it wouldn't have been a "bad call".
call it down the middle and say "a questionable call"
and as much as i'd like to discuss this AGAIN...i'm going for a smoke break!
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Originally posted by sweetcell:
doing it indoors means that i'm hurting others who never asked for my smoke. i'm completely opposed to the notion that one has a "right" to smoke in public places or places open to the public. i realize others disagree. that said, i doubt that i'll completely give it up anytime soon.
maybe. . but smoking isn't illegal.
frankly, what i am more upset with is the crusade that anti-smoking activists are on these days. a vocal minority is imposing it's view and will upon a disinterested majority. each and every day, bit by bit, the ability of all of us to make our own choices is being taken away, be it from one side of the aisle or the other, in the name of national security or in the name of the children.
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Sounds like the same crusade the anti-War protestors were on when they started.
I think the vast majority of Americans are disinterested in the smoking in bars issue because the vast majority of Americans don't frequent bars.
Of those who do frequent bars, I would hazzard a guess that they ARE in favor of having smoking banned, but not to the point where they'd actually have to do be politically active to get it accomplished.
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
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frankly, what i am more upset with is the crusade that anti-smoking activists are on these days. a vocal minority is imposing it's view and will upon a disinterested majority. [/b]
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Originally posted by Jack Black, Caucasian American:
Sounds like the same crusade the anti-War protestors were on when they started.
i don't think they are trying to limit the ability of an individual to make their own decisions. i mean what has war solved, other than ending nazism, fascism and slavery.
Of those who do frequent bars, I would hazzard a guess that they ARE in favor of having smoking banned, but not to the point where they'd actually have to do be politically active to get it accomplished.
maybe, but there is something much more powerful than politics involved, and that's their pocketbooks. as a consumer, you have the ability to choose where to go, if you want a smoke-free bar, ask the owner, talk to other patrons, and if a smoke-free bar opens up, go there.
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But the smoking ban is for the benefit of employees, not the general public. If we really wanted to benefit the general public, we'd make smoking illegal.
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
a vocal minority is imposing it's view and will upon a disinterested majority. each and every day, bit by bit, the ability of all of us to make our own choices is being taken away, be it from one side of the aisle or the other, in the name of national security or in the name of the children.
how does one explain the fact that a majority of washingtonians support the ban? if banning smoking was unpopular with the majority, it wouldn't happen.
to me, sounds like a vocal minority won't accept defeat and is trying to turn this into "the sky is falling!". today, they take your cancer-causing cigarettes... tomorrow, your rights to vote and marry who you chose!!! imposed gay marriage is around the corner! STOP THE FASCISTS! THE TERRORISTS HAVE ALREADY WON!!! BRAAAK!!! :)
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Originally posted by sweetcell:
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
a vocal minority is imposing it's view and will upon a disinterested majority. each and every day, bit by bit, the ability of all of us to make our own choices is being taken away, be it from one side of the aisle or the other, in the name of national security or in the name of the children.
how does one explain the fact that a majority of washingtonians support the ban? if banning smoking was unpopular with the majority, it wouldn't happen.
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whoops, i was about to use a hitler defense.
if there was so many people in support of having smoke-free establishments, why weren't there more of them? that's my point. all that statement proves is that the majority is still disinterested, and simply allows itself to be lulled and follow the piper, wherever he may lead.
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Originally posted by sweetcell:
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
a vocal minority is imposing it's view and will upon a disinterested majority. each and every day, bit by bit, the ability of all of us to make our own choices is being taken away, be it from one side of the aisle or the other, in the name of national security or in the name of the children.
how does one explain the fact that a majority of washingtonians support the ban? if banning smoking was unpopular with the majority, it wouldn't happen.
to me, sounds like a vocal minority won't accept defeat and is trying to turn this into "the sky is falling!". today, they take your cancer-causing cigarettes... tomorrow, your rights to vote and marry who you chose!!! imposed gay marriage is around the corner! STOP THE FASCISTS! THE TERRORISTS HAVE ALREADY WON!!! BRAAAK!!! :) [/b]
you are starting to annoy me....sweetie, claiming victory like you actually passed the smoking ban yourself! did you sign any petitions? go to any rallies? and if you did, were you having one of your occasional cigarettes?
so, some people are killing themselves because they have an addiction, whats your stupid excuse?
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
all that statement proves is that the majority is still disinterested, and simply allows itself to be lulled and follow the piper, wherever he may lead.
I double-dog-dare you to prove this point.
Be the piper, gather the signatures and get a ballot initiative in CA to repeal the smoking ban. There will be plenty of money from the toboacco companies to support your initiative, so that won't be an issue.
I also predict you lose nearly 2-1.
What you are calling "disinterested" is simply a misnomer. Just because they don't place the same value that you do in protecting a right from government intrusion, does not mean that they are disinterested when it comes to smoking in public places.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
But the smoking ban is for the benefit of employees, not the general public. If we really wanted to benefit the general public, we'd make smoking illegal.
it would be safe to say that the majority of americans are against smoking in their places of employment, right?
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
whoops, i was about to use a hitler defense.
Hitler was anti-smoking. Even field marshals were verboten to smoke around der Schickelgruber.
<img src="http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/historic_figures/images/hitler_adolf.jpg" alt=" - " />
Macht SMOKE FREI !
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Originally posted by le sonick:
Originally posted by floyd:
I hope they ban standing at all concerts. I have the right to enjoy the show just as much as the taller people in front of me. Every concert in DC should be seated only.
but i have bad circulation and i cant sit for that long!!!! [/b]
Then you can get up and go outside. Don't try to ruin it for the rest of us.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Be the piper, gather the signatures and get a ballot initiative in CA to repeal the smoking ban. There will be plenty of money from the toboacco companies to support your initiative, so that won't be an issue.
I also predict you lose nearly 2-1.
What you are calling "disinterested" is simply a misnomer. Just because they don't place the same value that you do in protecting a right from government intrusion, does not mean that they are disinterested when it comes to smoking in public places.
if they were interested in creating smoke-free public places, there would be no need for government action. do businesses need to be pushed and prodded to do something- sure.. . but i do have a problem with the ability to ban an individual to do something that is not illegal at the behest of small band of vocal partisans (that goes both ways, i freely admit). admittedly, i'm assuming an informed and educated population, and that is something that is sorely lacking in this country today; hence a very large disinterested electorate.
i'm sure i could get it on the ballot. . .and it would probably lose- california voters like nothing more than to vote yes on policy goals and pronouncements and vote no on funding those goals.
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what about pot? i wanna smoke pot, fuck ciggies ;)
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I saw we tie Bede down in a small room with no windows and let Sonick blow smoke on him for about 48 hours straight.
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Originally posted by Jack Black, Caucasian American:
I saw we tie Bede down in a small room with no windows and let Sonick blow smoke on him for about 48 hours straight.
Even outside of the confines of this debate, I support this idea!
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I'm in favor of banning smoking in bars, clubs and restaurants etc...but I think people should be allowed to smoke at work. Then for 20 minutes of every hour us non-smokers can go stand outside and do shit but gossip about everyone while the smokers light up at their desks.
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Originally posted by Roadbike Mankie:
I'm in favor of banning smoking in bars, clubs and restaurants etc...but I think people should be allowed to smoke at work. Then for 20 minutes of every hour us non-smokers can go stand outside and do shit but gossip about everyone while the smokers light up at their desks.
hahaha!!!!! no way man, i'll quit smoking!
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Originally posted by le sonick:
you are starting to annoy me....sweetie, claiming victory like you actually passed the smoking ban yourself!
never ever meant to imply that, i did nothing to make the ban happen. i take no credit, sorry if i came across that way. i admit to having been flippant and hyperbolic, but that was my reaction to someone doing the same thing from the other extreme. i know, i know, fighting absurd with absurd is... well... absurd. mission accomplished!
so, some people are killing themselves because they have an addiction, whats your stupid excuse?
uh... i like an occasional smoke? :) no stupid excuse available, and none offered.
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Originally posted by DeathFromAbove1979:
I can't blow smoke at people who push and shove their way to get in the free space that's available 7 inches in front of me and then they stare at me like "...back off" when THEY got in front of me.
so i just blow smoke at them the whole show. now i cant!
lame.
watch out, i said something similar on this board a while back and was openly accused of assault and battery, threatened to have my picture sent along to 930 staph to watch out for my smoking habits, etc, etc
it's a crazy world out there!
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You need to have a smoking ban. Who wants to smell that or have to deal with that in a public space. It's all about status, I think I look cool.
No positive effects of smoking, it doesn't add 50 more years to your life. I hope it happens everywhere.
If you like your teeth to rot and your breath stinking then hey your choice. But I shouldn't have to pay for you kiling yourself.
Good it helped you to get a better spot at the venue.
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Whole point of this thread: Grizzly Bear kicked ASS last night.
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Originally posted by bull930:
You need to have a smoking ban. Who wants to smell that or have to deal with that in a public space. It's all about status, I think I look cool.
No positive effects of smoking, it doesn't add 50 more years to your life. I hope it happens everywhere.
If you like your teeth to rot and your breath stinking then hey your choice. But I shouldn't have to pay for you kiling yourself.
Good it helped you to get a better spot at the venue.
There's no point in allowing annoying people into bars and clubs either. Somehow they haven't banned them yet.
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Originally posted by floyd:
There's no point in allowing annoying people into bars and clubs either. Somehow they haven't banned them yet.
<img src="http://www.dcist.com/attachments/dcist_tom/20050928_stexcollars.jpg" alt=" - " />
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Originally posted by HoyaSaxa08:
Originally posted by floyd:
There's no point in allowing annoying people into bars and clubs either. Somehow they haven't banned them yet.
<img src="http://www.dcist.com/attachments/dcist_tom/20050928_stexcollars.jpg" alt=" - " /> [/b]
I should really go there more often.
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One result of the smoking ban: if we go to see Joseph Arthur on his tour, my wife will go to the Monday night DC show as an 8 months pregnant woman instead of the Saturday night Baltimore show as a 7 months pregant woman.
What I can't fathom is why we still have smoking lounges (which constantly seep smoke out in the hallway)in our federal gov't building.
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Originally posted by floyd:
Originally posted by HoyaSaxa08:
Originally posted by floyd:
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:roll:
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Originally posted by Jack Black, Caucasian American:
One result of the smoking ban: if we go to see Joseph Arthur on his tour, my wife will go to the Monday night DC show as an 8 months pregnant woman instead of the Saturday night Baltimore show as a 7 months pregant woman.
Cool it...or you'll hear from the Bagster again!
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Originally posted by Celeste:
Originally posted by Jack Black, Caucasian American:
One result of the smoking ban: if we go to see Joseph Arthur on his tour, my wife will go to the Monday night DC show as an 8 months pregnant woman instead of the Saturday night Baltimore show as a 7 months pregant woman.
Cool it...or you'll hear from the Bagster again! [/b]
Clearly she's jealous that she's not having Rhett's baby.
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I'm working on it. I've got another sperm bank appointment tonight. Gotta remember to bring my Anna Nicole pics.
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Originally posted by Celeste:
Originally posted by Jack Black, Caucasian American:
One result of the smoking ban: if we go to see Joseph Arthur on his tour, my wife will go to the Monday night DC show as an 8 months pregnant woman instead of the Saturday night Baltimore show as a 7 months pregant woman.
Cool it...or you'll hear from the Bagster again! [/b]
Clearly she's jealous that she's not having Rhett's baby. [/b]
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Originally posted by Celeste:
Originally posted by Jack Black, Caucasian American:
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Clearly she's jealous that she's not having Rhett's baby. [/b]
I'm just jealous I'm not the father of Celeste's baby! :)
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<img src="http://www.aboutflowers.com/florallibrary/Fresh_Cut_Flowers/heli181.jpg" alt=" - " />
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Originally posted by Celeste:
Originally posted by Jack Black, Caucasian American:
One result of the smoking ban: if we go to see Joseph Arthur on his tour, my wife will go to the Monday night DC show as an 8 months pregnant woman instead of the Saturday night Baltimore show as a 7 months pregant woman.
Cool it...or you'll hear from the Bagster again! [/b]
Celeste, do you not find this annoying at all? Kind of diminishes you to nothing more than a vessel, with his constant reference to your current incubation level. My two cents, which we're clearly all allowed to express here.
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I can't speak entirely for my wife, but I think she is happy that I mention her pregnancy. She is certainly very happy to be pregnant. It is by far the biggest thing going in our lives right now. Yesterday marked the start of week 26. At the end of this week, the little babe will be 2 pounds. Woohoo!
As far as my comments regarding Anna Nicole, those are the type of comments she would find distressing. But she knows I'm just being message board silly with those.
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Originally posted by Bags:
Originally posted by Celeste:
Originally posted by Jack Black, Caucasian American:
One result of the smoking ban: if we go to see Joseph Arthur on his tour, my wife will go to the Monday night DC show as an 8 months pregnant woman instead of the Saturday night Baltimore show as a 7 months pregant woman.
Cool it...or you'll hear from the Bagster again! [/b]
Celeste, do you not find this annoying at all? Kind of diminishes you to nothing more than a vessel, with his constant reference to your current incubation level. My two cents, which we're clearly all allowed to express here. [/b]
rhett seems to have like 8 or 9 cents though.
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Originally posted by Bags:
Celeste, do you not find this annoying at all? Kind of diminishes you to nothing more than a vessel, with his constant reference to your current incubation level. My two cents, which we're clearly all allowed to express here.
He's just excited. He's very engaged in the pregnancy and I appreciate that.
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There's no point in allowing annoying people into bars and clubs either. Somehow they haven't banned them yet.
This is not gonna happen unless we all die!!
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The KSE show was amazing and only made better by the fact that i didn't:
1) Smell like an ashtray when I got home.
2) End up hacking up brown and yellow loogies for the next two days.
3) Have to all but steam clean my clothes and hair.
4) Hold my breath most of the night to avoid other people's vices.
It was rather funny to see one gentleman in the balcony who was standing behind my bar stool get warned twice before being tossed out for the night. He barely made it to the 2nd act.
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Originally posted by RatBastard:
The KSE show was amazing and only made better by the fact that i didn't:
1) Smell like an ashtray when I got home.
2) End up hacking up brown and yellow loogies for the next two days.
3) Have to all but steam clean my clothes and hair.
4) Hold my breath most of the night to avoid other people's vices.
It was rather funny to see one gentleman in the balcony who was standing behind my bar stool get warned twice before being tossed out for the night. He barely made it to the 2nd act.
IT'S AN ADDICTION....WE ALL GONNA PARISH!!!!
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Originally posted by bull930:
WE ALL GONNA PARISH!!!!
Robert Parish?
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Originally posted by RatBastard:
It was rather funny to see one gentleman in the balcony who was standing behind my bar stool get warned twice before being tossed out for the night. He barely made it to the 2nd act.
was he kicked out for smoking?!? or just general misbehavior?
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Smoking as much as i could gather. I could be wrong.
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
Originally posted by bull930:
WE ALL GONNA PARISH!!!!
Robert Parish?
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...or this parish!!!
:eek: :eek: