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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: scottlemuelwilliams on March 06, 2007, 02:40:00 am
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Anyone have the set list from the Bright Eyes Show?
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I thought last night's show was a bunch of self-indulgent wank. Very little from "Lifted" or "I'm Wide Awake". Even M. Ward couldn't lift the performance.
For the passion with which fans speak of Bright Eyes/Connor, the crowd seemed really bored last night.
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Sounded like a bunch of his set was from the upcoming CD. I thought the show was great. I've never seen Bright Eyes prior to last nights show, but can anyone confirm if there was a lot more jamming out this time around than prior shows?
Anyone know what the second to last song was?
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That was June on the West Coast, off of the Letting off the Happiness album.
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I though it was a very good show, but it was way too loud!
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Indeed, there was a lot more "jamming out".
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yeah, considering this was a "warm up" tour i thought the show was very good. connor seems to be more "together" on stage and there was a new tune played early on that rocked my head!
I too would of liked to hear some more older material, but thats not what this tour was about. he will be back soon i'm sure.
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I don't think Conor was feeling the crowd. I was getting pissed off at the assholes who kept yelling "Play Poison Oak." It's a good song, but just let them do their thing.
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was he an opener or playing in the band? I love his new album
Originally posted by allmy$to930:
I thought last night's show was a bunch of self-indulgent wank. Very little from "Lifted" or "I'm Wide Awake". Even M. Ward couldn't lift the performance.
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M. Ward played the last 2/3 of the show in the band (guitar, harp, and backing vocals).
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It was a more boring show than usual because of all of the unfamiliar songs on the setlist. Still a good performance though.
Also, I can't wait until they come back and play DAR...you're less likely to hear the stupid assholes in the crowd who yell things like "my girlfriend loves you" or "I stopped masturbating for you!"
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ah the new song was Middleman, here is a clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lp9_xkrGJVk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lp9_xkrGJVk)
very Cure inspired if you ask me.
brilliant!
b...
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Why does M. Ward have to associate with that little wanker? He's so above him!
Originally posted by allmy$to930:
M. Ward played the last 2/3 of the show in the band (guitar, harp, and backing vocals).
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"He played very little from "Lifted" or "I'm Wide Awake"."
Frankly, I think he's moved on as an artist since "Lifted." I was happy to hear the new stuff, that's what I went for, and I thought the band sounded great.
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It was funny last night when he responded to people yelling for older songs by saying something like "we already played those songs...4-5 years ago. it was great."
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The best tour is still the Lifted tour with the mini-orchestra and Winona Ryder watching from the balcony...
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Frankly, I think he's moved on as an artist since "Lifted."
That is a bizarre statement, seeing that he closed with "Make War" from Lifted.
I realize he was playing a lot of new material. I actually thought the new stuff sounded good. However, to me, playing few of the songs that people really hope to hear is pretty unfair to the people in attendence. This is especially true when he is willing to play cover songs and allow a member of his band to play a song from a side project.
I wasn't paying to go see an "artist"; I was paying to be entertained.
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Originally posted by Brandon Brendall, the thief:
"I stopped masturbating for you!"
i LOLed
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Bands usually play small shows like these for the soul purpose of road-testing new material. I got exactly what I expected last night and thought it was a solid show. The new material is on par with anything on lifted or I'm wide awake.
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New Tour Announced: 7 Shows in NYC??!?!?
Bright Eyes:
03-07 Los Angeles, CA - El Rey *
03-08 Los Angeles, CA - El Rey *
03-09 San Francisco, CA - Great American Music Hall *
03-10 San Francisco, CA - Great American Music Hall *
03-11 Seattle, WA - Showbox
03-16 London, England - Koko
03-18 Oxford, England - Brookes University Student Union
03-22 Oslo, Norway - Cosmopolite
03-24 Stockholm, Sweden - Debaser
03-26 Berlin, Germany - Columbia Club
03-27 Cologne, Germany - Gloria
03-30 Paris, France - Cafe de la Danse
03-31 Amsterdam, the Netherlands - Melkweg
04-22 Milwaukee, WI - Pabst Theatre
04-23 Chicago, IL - Riviera Theatre
04-24 Chicago, IL - Riviera Theatre
04-25 Minneapolis, MN - State Theatre
04-26 Omaha, NE - Holland Performing Arts Center
04-28 Denver, CO - Temple Hoyne Buell Theatre
04-29 Salt Lake City, UT - Kingsbury Hall
05-01 Seattle, WA - Paramount Theatre
05-02 Portland, OR - Crystal Ballroom
05-04 Berkeley, CA - Greek Theatre
05-05 Santa Barbara, CA - Arlington Theatre
05-06 Los Angeles, CA - Walt Disney Concert Hall
05-08 San Diego, CA - SOMA
05-09 Tempe, AZ - Mesa Amphitheatre
05-11 Dallas, TX - Palladium Ballroom
05-12 Tulsa, OK - Cain's Ballroom
05-13 Austin, TX - Bass Concert Hall
05-14 New Orleans, LA - Republic
05-16 Tampa, FL - Tampa Theatre
05-17 Orlando, FL - Hard Rock Live
05-18 Atlanta, GA - Fox Theatre
05-19 Nashville, TN - Ryman Audiotorium
05-20 Columbus, OH - Wexner Center for the Arts
05-21 Detroit, MI - Royal Oak Music Theatre
05-22 Toronto, Ontario - Massey Hall
05-24 Boston, MA - Wang Center for the Performing Arts
05-25 New York, NY - Town Hall
05-26 New York, NY - Town Hall
05-28 New York, NY - Town Hall
05-29 New York, NY - Town Hall
05-30 New York, NY - Town Hall
05-31 New York, NY - Town Hall
06-01 New York, NY - Town Hall
* with Vetiver
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does anyone else really wish they were one of the extras in the audience for this video shoot?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SC-_wpl4ZWw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SC-_wpl4ZWw)
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I don't think its his responsibility to play what people "want" to hear. I went to this show with the intention of hearing his new stuff. The performance an artist gives with the stuff they want to play is more enjoyable than the half-hearted performance of a song they've played hundreds of times.
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Agreed... Well put.
Originally posted by Graace:
I don't think its his responsibility to play what people "want" to hear. I went to this show with the intention of hearing his new stuff. The performance an artist gives with the stuff they want to play is more enjoyable than the half-hearted performance of a song they've played hundreds of times.
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I disagree. If someone wants to be an "artist" let them go play in a room by themself. If someone has a paying audience, they should be obliged to at least attempt to make their audience happy.
Originally posted by azaghal1981:
Agreed... Well put.
Originally posted by Graace:
I don't think its his responsibility to play what people "want" to hear. I went to this show with the intention of hearing his new stuff. The performance an artist gives with the stuff they want to play is more enjoyable than the half-hearted performance of a song they've played hundreds of times.
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I don't think its his responsibility to play what people "want" to hear. I went to this show with the intention of hearing his new stuff. The performance an artist gives with the stuff they want to play is more enjoyable than the half-hearted performance of a song they've played hundreds of times.
I generally agree with you. I do think bands/artists should be willing to meet people half way, though. I have been to quite a few shows and have never seen such an imbalance between new (unreleased) material and old material.
He seemed unhappy with the crowd last night and it was largely his own doing. It is not surprising that people were calling out for songs or acting pretty bored when they knew little of the new material.
It is his right to play what he wants. I certainly won't go to another Bright Eyes show in the months leading up to an album release. He is a great musician, but a poor entertainer.
On the Sunken Treasure DVD, Tweedy devotes a few minutes to discussing coming to terms with the fact that people come to shows to hear songs that they know and love. He said that it has made him a much happier person and has really improved their/his shows. I assume Conor will learn the same thing at some point.
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Originally posted by Jack Black, Caucasian American:
I disagree. If someone wants to be an "artist" let them go play in a room by themself. If someone has a paying audience, they should be obliged to at least attempt to make their audience happy.
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I don't mean "artist" artist, I meant [recording] artist. People can go make "art" all by themselves. I think that performers do have an obligation to deliver what is advertised, which he did. This tour is a warm-up for the release of his album. Obviously it is going to focus on newer material. He explained to the audience that the band hadn't even rehearsed half the songs they were calling out. It's very typical of him especially to concentrate on one set of material at a time. On the Digital Ash Tour show I saw, he played one song not off that album. Similarly for the I'm Wide Awake . . . tour, if I remember correctly. Only when he wasn't touring around an album release (November 2005) did he really jump around his catalog.
He's calmed down a lot, the band was great, the sound is going in a new direction, and I enjoyed it.
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Originally posted by allmy$to930:
He seemed unhappy with the crowd last night and it was largely his own doing. It is not surprising that people were calling out for songs or acting pretty bored when they knew little of the new material.
I would have been unhappy with the crowd as well. After having your shouts politely ignored most people give up after a while. I heard "Poison Oak" yelled time after time after time.
And while shows can be boring when the material is foreign, it can be exciting to hear things for the first time live. I thought he dispersed enough familiar songs throughout the set to keep people engaged, and that some of the new stuff was just fantastic. Sonic Youth, a band with a more extensive and well loved back catalog than Bright Eyes/Conor Oberst, played almost exclusively from Rather Ripped this summer.
Feelings on the opener? I thought the music was pleasant enough but that Wooden Wand's "banter" was grating. I didn't think either was anything really special.
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I would have been unhappy with the crowd as well. After having your shouts politely ignored most people give up after a while. I heard "Poison Oak" yelled time after time after time.
Suggested Response: "I have heard your request for Poison Oak. I am sorry to disappoint you but we will not be playing that song tonight. In fact, we won't be playing any requests. We are excited about our new material and hope you enjoy it."
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Yeah but that reply would've been trite and boring. His smart-ass response was funny and justified.
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soooo does anyone have the set list?
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Originally posted by azaghal1981:
Yeah but that reply would've been trite and boring. His smart-ass response was funny and justified.
Plus I don't think he would be able to string that many words together into a sentence.
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Yeah but that reply would've been trite and boring. His smart-ass response was funny and justified.
...and completely ineffective.
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Originally posted by allmy$to930:
Yeah but that reply would've been trite and boring. His smart-ass response was funny and justified.
...and completely ineffective. [/b]
And a polite response would have been?
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And a polite response would have been?
I think it would have been effective. Poison Oak dude was never told directly that he wouldn't get to hear his beloved song. I don't think the guy was trying to be a heckler...I think he just wanted to hear the song.
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Were you the Poison Oak guy by any chance?
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I thought all the new songs sounded excellent, and I agree that it's important for him to play the new material. But I think the setlist last night would have been more appropriate for a night AFTER the release of the album. I loved hearing the new songs but also would have liked to hear a few more that I knew. I think that is one of the major reasons why the crowd wasn't too into it-- people just didn't know what he was playing.
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So most of the crowd didn't download a leaked
copy of the new EP? ;)
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I really enjoyed the show, despite the lack of older, recognizable material. Conor is my favorite singer/songwriter (as cliche as that may sound), so I pretty much enjoy anything he does. It didn't matter that I was unfamiliar with the songs he was playing. And yes, I think we saw a much different side of Bright Eyes last night, and a much different side of Conor. I remember thinking a number of times throughout the show that they were really rocking out, and that that was something I'd never really seen from them before. I think that the setlist was pretty well put together, too. There were periods of intense energy, broken up by quieter songs here and there. I really enjoyed seeing Rachel on drums, and I've never seen anyone rock a violin like Anton did (with the possible exception of the violinist for The Frames).
As for the openers, I enjoyed McCarthy Trenching, and thought that Wooden Wand were just okay.
Originally posted by allmy$to930:
And a polite response would have been?
I think it would have been effective. Poison Oak dude was never told directly that he wouldn't get to hear his beloved song. I don't think the guy was trying to be a heckler...I think he just wanted to hear the song. [/b]
If artists took the time to inform every person who shouted out for a song that they wanted to hear that they weren't going to play that song, it would get old pretty damn fast. I would like to think that most people are aware that bands usually decide on setlists in advance and practice those songs, and that in most cases (there are exceptions), calling out for a song is going to do absolutely no good. I would like to have heard "Trees Get Wheeled Away" myself, but I didn't shout it out half a dozen freaking times.
He pretty much toured nonstop for the entire year of 2005, including separate tours for Wide Awake and Digital Ash. During that year of touring, he fully showcased the new albums and played plenty of old stuff from Lifted and the like. After taking a year off and writing a bunch of new material, can you really blame him for wanting to play it?
Originally posted by allmy$to930:
Frankly, I think he's moved on as an artist since "Lifted."
That is a bizarre statement, seeing that he closed with "Make War" from Lifted.[/b]
Considering that that was the only song he played from Lifted the entire show (I think, there may have been a second), I'd say that there's nothing bizarre about that statement at all.
Originally posted by allmy$to930:
This is especially true when he is willing to play cover songs and allow a member of his band to play a song from a side project.
Just a slight correction here...Jake Bellows is not an actual member of Bright Eyes, and Neva Dinova is not a side project. I'd say that since Jake is taking time off from his own band to play with Bright Eyes, allowing him to play one of his songs was perfectly understandable. And Conor has been playing covers live for years.
Originally posted by Joe M.:
The best tour is still the Lifted tour with the mini-orchestra and Winona Ryder watching from the balcony...
Agreed. I saw them on that tour at the Showbox in Seattle, and that show remains to this day one of the best I have ever seen, definitely in my top five. Ah, for the days when Bright Eyes shows weren't packed with legions of screaming teenage girls...
Originally posted by Jack Black, Caucasian American:
Why does M. Ward have to associate with that little wanker? He's so above him!
Indeed. You should express your opinion to Matt. I'm sure that he would immediately see the light and agree with you, considering you know Conor so much better than he does. Jim James apparently sees something in him, too. What the hell is the matter with him?
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Well done, Reod Dai. I don't think anyone has ever put so much effort into a single post.
Thanks for clearing up all of my erroneous statements.
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You must not frequent forums where people have actual discussions, then. You'll notice that I only actually corrected one statement of yours. I was simply commenting on the rest, using quotes so people would know I was replying to something specific rather than just babbling. I'm used to people posting like that, but you're right, you don't see it much around here.
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Originally posted by Jack Black, Caucasian American:
I disagree. If someone wants to be an "artist" let them go play in a room by themself. If someone has a paying audience, they should be obliged to at least attempt to make their audience happy.
i disagree with this, rhett. he's the artist, not you, so let HIM decide what music fits together and sounds good for the evening. if you want to hear certain songs, play them yourself, or pop them into your iTunes.
you dont want people who arent qualified to tell you how to do your job do you?
that said, i doubt he made "no attempt" to make the audience happy.
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i was happy ;)
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I let my boss tell me how to do my job. He is the one who ensures that I get paid.
The paying audience plays the role of the boss.
Just my nine cents.
If an artist mostly plays music from an unreleased album, they won't be getting my money again.
Originally posted by le sonick:
Originally posted by Jack Black, Caucasian American:
I disagree. If someone wants to be an "artist" let them go play in a room by themself. If someone has a paying audience, they should be obliged to at least attempt to make their audience happy.
i disagree with this, rhett. he's the artist, not you, so let HIM decide what music fits together and sounds good for the evening. if you want to hear certain songs, play them yourself, or pop them into your iTunes.
you dont want people who arent qualified to tell you how to do your job do you?
that said, i doubt he made "no attempt" to make the audience happy. [/b]
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It depends on the setting. In a situation like this, where the performer could easily be playing a bigger hall at higher prices, they should play whatever they want. You're paying for the opportunity to see a performer in a more intimate setting, at a decent price, at the expense of not getting all of the songs you wanted.
However, if you're talking about acts that are playing huge venues and charging hundreds of dollars per ticket, then yeah - they need to cater to the audience a bit. The reason they're in a position to play for those prices is because of their catalog and their hits - not because everyone is so anxious to hear what they're up to next. At a minimum they need to mix it up a bit.
If I'm paying the equivalent of a car payment for a pair of tickets - you owe me some hits.
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Good points.
Though I don't think there's any artist I like enough to go and see them play mostly unknown material. And there's no artist period who I'd pay more than a couple of twenties to see. But that's just me. I'm not as big of a showgoer as some of y'all.
Originally posted by Bombay Chutney:
It depends on the setting. In a situation like this, where the performer could easily be playing a bigger hall at higher prices, they should play whatever they want. You're paying for the opportunity to see a performer in a more intimate setting, at a decent price, at the expense of not getting all of the songs you wanted.
However, if you're talking about acts that are playing huge venues and charging hundreds of dollars per ticket, then yeah - they need to cater to the audience a bit. The reason they're in a position to play for those prices is because of their catalog and their hits - not because everyone is so anxious to hear what they're up to next. At a minimum they need to mix it up a bit.
If I'm paying the equivalent of a car payment for a pair of tickets - you owe me some hits.
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hey just curious - what songs did m ward play with bright eyes? any of his own?
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They played "Lullaby and Exile" by M. Ward.
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Originally posted by Jack Black, Caucasian American:
Though I don't think there's any artist I like enough to go and see them play mostly unknown material.
I can understand that. And I can understand how some people would have been disappointed with Monday's show. Honestly, though, I don't really think that Conor cares all that much about money, or about losing a few concertgoers because he didn't please them enough with his performance. I really think that Conor is a true artist, someone who cares about his music and who plays what he wants to play regardless of whether it gets him fans or not. If a few people decide that they won't go see Bright Eyes shows anymore because of that, I'm willing to bet that he's fine with that. He just seems like that kind of person. I'm not really defending him here, just stating what I believe about him. Like I said, I can definitely understand how people would be turned off by that kind of attitude.