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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer on October 12, 2004, 10:21:00 am
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My wife read in the Chicago paper that Billy Corgan just purchased a 7 million dollar house in Chicago.
So please do you best to go to his poetry show. He needs to pay for this house!
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Did she read this as she was running the marathon, if so, that's even more impressive.
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how many of you haters will be attending this show? supposedly he will be playing some songs as well so its worth it...its billy fucking corgan.
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
My wife read in the Chicago paper that Billy Corgan just purchased a 7 million dollar house in Chicago.
So please do you best to go to his poetry show. He needs to pay for this house!
whats wrong with that?
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Let's face it, anytime we attend a show we are paying for someone's something, whether that be their house mortage, alcohol stash, etc.
I don't mind (unless it's prohibitively high) - after all, I am getting enjoyment in return (which is rare these days in any circle!).
Cheers
DJ Medusa.
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Isn't there something un-rock and roll about a rock singer buying a 7 million dollar house?
I'd rather listen to music made by people struggling to make ends meet.
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
My wife read in the Chicago paper that Billy Corgan just purchased a 7 million dollar house in Chicago.
So please do you best to go to his poetry show. He needs to pay for this house!
whats wrong with that? [/b]
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Isn't there something un-rock and roll about a rock singer buying a 7 million dollar house?
I'd rather listen to music made by people struggling to make ends meet.
like buskers?
are the Old 97's on food stamps too?
Rhett's favourite band...
<img src="http://www.celticconnectionsradio.org/weekphoto/galway_busker.jpg" alt=" - " />
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Rhett recently stated that if you averaged the $$ he has made as a musician in his career, his salary would come out much closer to a schoolteacher than a doctor or lawyer.
I guess marrying a model probably helped bankroll his house in upstate New York.
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Isn't there something un-rock and roll about a rock singer buying a 7 million dollar house?
I'd rather listen to music made by people struggling to make ends meet.
like buskers?
are the Old 97's on food stamps too?
Rhett's favourite band...
<img src="http://www.celticconnectionsradio.org/weekphoto/galway_busker.jpg" alt=" - " /> [/b]
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Isn't there something un-rock and roll about a rock singer buying a 7 million dollar house?
I'd rather listen to music made by people struggling to make ends meet.
You're limiting yourself that way. Why would you let something like success limit your musical tastes? Just as commercial success isn't necessarily an indicator of talent, the converse also applies.
Talk about being so hip it hurts :)
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I said I'd RATHER listen to music made by non-millionaires. Doesn't mean that I wouldn't.
For instance, I'll happily listen to some old Tom Petty, though his early stuff is best.
"Despite all my rage, I am still just a rat in a cage"
Have you ever heard a dumber lyric? If he's a rat in a cage, why live in a house at all? Just go live in the jungle....or the sewer.
Originally posted by xcanuck:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Isn't there something un-rock and roll about a rock singer buying a 7 million dollar house?
I'd rather listen to music made by people struggling to make ends meet.
You're limiting yourself that way. Why would you let something like success limit your musical tastes? Just as commercial success isn't necessarily an indicator of talent, the converse also applies.
Talk about being so hip it hurts :) [/b]
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i agree its really the dumbest thing rhett's ever said.
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
"Despite all my rage, I am still just a rat in a cage"
Have you ever heard a dumber lyric? If he's a rat in a cage, why live in a house at all? Just go live in the jungle....or the sewer.
yeah, those rich people can't write lyrics. :roll:
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rhett dare you say that billy corgan is not one of the finer lyricists in the past 15 years? dont be an ignorant shithead. what the fuck makes you so hip?
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Originally posted by tinygee:
rhett dare you say that billy corgan is not one of the finer lyricists in the past 15 years? dont be an ignorant shithead. what the fuck makes you so hip?
he runs marathons and so does his wife. :eek:
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How can you even decipher the lyrics emitted by his whiney voice?
Originally posted by tinygee:
rhett dare you say that billy corgan is not one of the finer lyricists in the past 15 years? dont be an ignorant shithead. what the fuck makes you so hip?
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fair enough, rhetts right then, he does not what is the coolest music and whats not. thanks sonick. what an idiot i am.
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and please keep in mind. Rhett doesnt really put much original thought into any of his posts, just says whatever he thinks will piss people off
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Not to always play devils advocate, but if you look at the lyrics to even their best songs they are a bit shitey/not as good as greenday.
Today is the greatest
Day I â??ve ever kown
Canâ??t live for tomorrow
Tomorrowâ??s much too long
I burn my eyes out
Before I get out
I wanted more
Than life could ever grant
Bored by the chore
Of saving face
Today is the greatest
Day I have ever known
Canâ??t wait for tomorrow
I might not have that long
Iâ??ll tear my heart out
Before I get out
Pink ribbon scars
That never forget
Iâ??ve tried so hard
To cleanse these regrets
My angel wings
Were bruised and restrained
My belly stings
Today is
Today is
Today is
The greatest day
That I have ever known
I want to turn you on
I want to turn you round
I want to turn you on
I want to turn you
Today is the greatest
Today is the greatest day
Today is the greatest day
That I have ever known
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
"Despite all my rage, I am still just a rat in a cage"
Have you ever heard a dumber lyric? If he's a rat in a cage, why live in a house at all? Just go live in the jungle....or the sewer.
Hey...I'm not saying Bald Billy is the Bob Dylan of the flannel set. I just don't see success as a reason to discount anyone.
But I will agree that going to see Billy do poetry doesn't meet my idea of entertainment. At least Jewel has nice hoohoos to gaze at. Billy just has all that scalp. Ick. :)
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
How can you even decipher the lyrics emitted by his whiney voice?
apparently you did, dumbass.
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To be honest, I saw them on the Gish tour and found them unlistenable and unwatchable. So I've tried to avoid them since then. I really don't see much difference between arena "alternative" rockers like Smashing Pumpkins and the arena rock bands that they were supposedly an alternative to.
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Originally posted by Deepak Chopra:
Not to always play devils advocate, but if you look at the lyrics to even their best songs they are a bit shitey/not as good as greenday.
Today is the greatest
Day I â??ve ever kown
cause all great songs, have great lyrics
Oh yeah, I'll tell you something,
I think you'll understand.
When I'll say that something
I want to hold your hand,
I want to hold your hand,
I want to hold your hand.
Oh please, say to me
You'll let me be your man
And please, say to me
You'll let me hold your hand.
Now let me hold your hand,
I want to hold your hand.
And when I touch you I feel happy inside.
It's such a feeling that my love
I can't hide, I can't hide, I can't hide.
Yeah, you've got that something,
I think you'll understand.
When I'll say that something
I want to hold your hand,
I want to hold your hand,
I want to hold your hand.
And when I touch you I feel happy inside.
It's such a feeling that my love
I can't hide, I can't hide, I can't hide.
Yeh, you've got that something,
I think you'll understand.
When I'll feel that something
I want to hold your hand,
I want to hold your hand,
I want to hold your hand.
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Originally posted by tinygee:
rhett dare you say that billy corgan is not one of the finer lyricists in the past 15 years? dont be an ignorant shithead. what the fuck makes you so hip?
Sonick,
I believe we were talking about lyrics.
Dont go and do a Rhett and lose the point of the argument and go off on an almost random tangent so as to not be defeated.
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America won the Revolutionary War!
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Originally posted by Deepak Chopra:
Originally posted by tinygee:
rhett dare you say that billy corgan is not one of the finer lyricists in the past 15 years? dont be an ignorant shithead. what the fuck makes you so hip?
Sonick,
I believe we were talking about lyrics.
Dont go and do a Rhett and lose the point of the argument and go off on an almost random tangent so as to not be defeated. [/b]
all i was saying that a lot of people would say that the Beatles have great lyrics. however, taking a one hit song sample of thier lyrics show that some of thier songs had really simple ones, yet both songs (Today and Hold Your Hand) were wildly successful and to be honest, if you were my age (for Today) would hold fond memories for you. (and Hold Your Hand for people like my parents)
howzat random?
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No, the Baltimore City Paper deciphered it for me. I remember reading a review for the Rat in the Cage album in the Baltimore City Paper from the mid/late? 90's which tore that album to shreds, and delighted in mocking the lyrics to that song. It was an awesomely funny review. Wish I still had a copy.
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
How can you even decipher the lyrics emitted by his whiney voice?
apparently you did, dumbass. [/b]
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
No, the Baltimore City Paper deciphered it for me. I remember reading a review for the Rat in the Cage album in the Baltimore City Paper from the mid/late? 90's
and you remembered the exact line for almost 10 years. amazing.
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I have a habit of uttering stupid phrases over and over. Some of them I even steal from other people.
Like when the Maz uttered "His foot was on the bag, Joe."
My wife comes up with some good ones too. She is always telling me she wants to "reconnect with your hairy balls."
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
No, the Baltimore City Paper deciphered it for me. I remember reading a review for the Rat in the Cage album in the Baltimore City Paper from the mid/late? 90's
and you remembered the exact line for almost 10 years. amazing. [/b]
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
I have a habit of uttering stupid phrases over and over. Some of them I even steal from other people.
Like when the Maz uttered "His foot was on the bag, Joe."
My wife comes up with some good ones too. She is always telling me she wants to "reconnect with your hairy balls."
how terribly boring
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
if you were my age (for Today) would hold fond memories for you.
Apparently I am your age.
Perhaps you could counter with some good Smashing Pumpkins lyrics? Well you could if there were some :p
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Originally posted by Deepak Chopra:
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
if you were my age (for Today) would hold fond memories for you.
Apparently I am your age.
Perhaps you could counter with some good Smashing Pumpkins lyrics? Well you could if there were some :)
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Billy seems to agree with Markie, not Sonick.
And later this month, he'll hit the road for "Blinking with Fists," a book of poetry. Is there a difference between writing songs and writing poetry? "Totally different," Corgan told Armour & Co. "Let's just say you can sing dumb stuff in a song. It doesn't work like that with poetry."
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Billy seems to agree with Markie, not Sonick.
And later this month, he'll hit the road for "Blinking with Fists," a book of poetry. Is there a difference between writing songs and writing poetry? "Totally different," Corgan told Armour & Co. "Let's just say you can sing dumb stuff in a song. It doesn't work like that with poetry."
how is that not agreeing with me? i never said one thing about the talent or lack thereof, of Billy Corgan, Smashing Pumpkins, or anyone else!
in fact, if anything he DOES agree with me, i am the one who was stating that a good song does not need intense meaningful lyrics.
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I'm sorry, it was only 6.8 million. Added it to his 3 million dollar condo.
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Corgan pays $6.8 million for mansion on the lake
Posted by admin on January 22, 2004
Former Smashing Pumpkins and Zwan founder and solo rock star Billy Corgan has paid $6.8 million for an 18-room lakefront mansion in the northern suburbs that was designed by celebrated architect David Adler.
Built in 1926, the seven-bedroom Normandy chateau-style mansion sits on more than 6 acres and first was listed in 2000 for $11.9 million. It later was reduced to $9.5 million, then to $8.5 million and finally to $7.5 million before its sale.
The house has a music room, garden room, gallery, great hall, seven fireplaces and 6½ baths, French parquet flooring and Chinese wallpaper, according to listing information. The property has 354 feet of private beach.
The sellers had owned the mansion since 1946 and Corgan is only the home's third owner, according to listing agent Honore Frumentino of Koenig & Strey.
Corgan is no stranger to Adler's work, having paid $2.95 million in 2002 for a renovated, 3,500- square-foot, six-room, full-floor condo in an Adler-designed building on the North Side that once was a mansion. At that time, Corgan's tour manager and spokesman, Tim "Gooch" Lougee, confirmed that the singer-songwriter was staying at the condo but had intended to lease out the unit. It's not clear whether Corgan plans to reside in both homes.
The rocker previously lived in a Victorian painted lady on the North Side that he bought in 1993 for $455,000 and sold in 2000 for $1 million.
Corgan could not be reached for comment, and Lougee did not return a telephone call.
Frumentino, who would not confirm the buyer's identity, said, "The sellers are very, very thankful that they sold it to a passionate preservationist. They're pleased that the house will remain in all its glory and will remain intact."
Corgan's purchase price is the 10th highest for a home here, surpassed by:
â?¢ The $12 million sale of a lakefront house on the North Shore in 2000
â?¢ The $11.45 million sale of that same property in 2001
â?¢ Two $10 million-plus condo sales on the Gold Coast in 2002
â?¢ The $9.9 million purchase last year by Wm. Wrigley Jr. Co. CEO Bill Wrigley of a north suburban lakefront mansion
â?¢ The $9.5 million sale of former MarchFirst CEO Robert Bernard's North Side mansion in 2002
â?¢ An investment banker's $9.5 million purchase of a mansion in Winnetka in 2002
â?¢ The $8.5 million sale of a lakefront house in Wilmette in 2002
â?¢ The $7.95 million sale last summer of White Sox slugger Frank Thomas' west suburban mansion.
In addition, Corgan's purchase is the highest price on record that a celebrity has paid for a Chicago-area house, surpassing the $4.79 million author Scott Turow paid in 2001for a north suburban lakefront house.
However
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
I'm sorry, it was only 6.8 million.
now dont you feel stupid!!!
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Yes, it looks like he made a good deal. Have to admire someone who diligently saves up for their down payment, and waits from the right deal. Way to go Billy!
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
I'm sorry, it was only 6.8 million.
now dont you feel stupid!!! [/b]
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Billy seems to agree with Markie, not Sonick.
And later this month, he'll hit the road for "Blinking with Fists," a book of poetry. Is there a difference between writing songs and writing poetry? "Totally different," Corgan told Armour & Co. "Let's just say you can sing dumb stuff in a song. It doesn't work like that with poetry."
how is that not agreeing with me? i never said one thing about the talent or lack thereof, of Billy Corgan, Smashing Pumpkins, or anyone else!
in fact, if anything he DOES agree with me, i am the one who was stating that a good song does not need intense meaningful lyrics. [/b]
yeah it also needs good music to go along with it...
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Perhaps you should take a cue from Corgan and purchase his financial planning book along with his poetry. You can then buy the manse in Great Falls that you've been drooling over.
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Yes, it looks like he made a good deal. Have to admire someone who diligently saves up for their down payment, and waits from the right deal. Way to go Billy!
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What modern day Chicago poet wrote this rune?
arrive slow keep driving
turn off your lights even
if it's well before sundown
keep the windows up locked
look at the outlines of wise men
two dimensional and flat
see the shepherds and of course
Jesus would be beautiful
this is the way of light
and we are here mid-day
we see the wires and plastic bulbs
the guts of light
and where the light would be shining
if it could be shining
if there was darkness
instead we idle almost
towards thousands of candles
a shrine unlit no flames
and a grotto of poured painted cement
where I assume people pray
so we can speed away then
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tweedy?
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The owner of a much more modest house in the Chicago burbs.
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
What modern day Chicago poet wrote this rune?
arrive slow keep driving
turn off your lights even
if it's well before sundown
keep the windows up locked
look at the outlines of wise men
two dimensional and flat
see the shepherds and of course
Jesus would be beautiful
this is the way of light
and we are here mid-day
we see the wires and plastic bulbs
the guts of light
and where the light would be shining
if it could be shining
if there was darkness
instead we idle almost
towards thousands of candles
a shrine unlit no flames
and a grotto of poured painted cement
where I assume people pray
so we can speed away then
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Originally posted by pollard:
tweedy?
ding Ding DING!!!
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
The owner of a much more modest house in the Chicago burbs.
the smaller the house, the better the song.
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Sometimes the jokes write themselves.
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
I have a habit of uttering stupid phrases over and over.
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Ricky Rudd
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Sometimes the jokes write themselves.
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
I have a habit of uttering stupid phrases over and over.
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i liked sp, but zwan was crap.
i have no interest in giving any money to anything he'll be doing on the future. i'm amazed he's significant enough still to make money off these poetry readings. i guess there are fans that are obsessed enough to go.
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Originally posted by distance:
i liked sp, but zwan was crap.
i have no interest in giving any money to anything he'll be doing on the future. i'm amazed he's significant enough still to make money off these poetry readings. i guess there are fans that are obsessed enough to go.
The early Zwan stuff (2001) was good, imo. He said somewhere on his blog that he found "Mary/Jesus/whatever" in 2002 and if you'll notice, his stuff really went downhill from there. Not that I'm anti-religion, I go to church every Sunday, I just think the goofy optimism he brought away from that directly affected the lyrical nature of his work.
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this is to shut some of you "no popular music is good" idiots up.
Porcelina of the Vast Oceans
as far as you take me, that's where i believe
the realm of soft delusions, floating on the leaves
on a distant shoreline, she waves her arms to me
as all the thought police, are closing in for sleep
the dilly dally, of my bright lit stay
the steam of my misfortunes
has given me the power to be afraid
and in my mind i'm everyone
and in my mind
without a care in this whole world
without a care in this life
it's what you take that makes it right
porcelina of the oceans blue
in the slipstream, of thoughtless thoughts
the light of all that's good, the light of all that's true
to the fringes gladly, i walk unadorned
with gods and their creations
with filth and disease
porcelina, she waits for me there
with seashell hissing lullabyes
and whispers fathomed deep inside my own
hidden thoughts and alibis
my secret thoughts come alive
without a care in this whole world
without a care in this life
it's what you take that makes it right
and in my mind i'm everyone
in my mind i'm everyone of you
you make it right
it's all allright
you make it right
porcelina of the oceans blue
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Originally posted by elj:
The early Zwan stuff (2001) was good, imo. He said somewhere on his blog that he found "Mary/Jesus/whatever" in 2002 and if you'll notice, his stuff really went downhill from there. Not that I'm anti-religion, I go to church every Sunday, I just think the goofy optimism he brought away from that directly affected the lyrical nature of his work.
i'll agree that the earlier stuff was better, yes, but what was chosen to be released was crap. and what was actually good was only a small fraction of the material that zwan did.
i was actually considering going out to california for the first 4 zwan shows. i'm really glad i didn't. a friend of mine was out there at the time and i mentioned the show to him and he went out of his way to stay an extra two days in town to go to the first one and thought it was a total waste of time as well.
i'm glad to see that band is dead... just wake me up when there's an SP reunion tour.
it's bound to happen at some point..
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So I'm kind of curious...did anyone go to this??
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apparently not... i wish i had, but i was at work. :( if I had gone, I would let you know what it was. i'm still clueless... no one even mentioned it on netphoria. my friend got me a book signed though for b&m atleast. i'm not really impressed with the book, but its cool to have.
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I went. My little sister really wanted to go, and as a huge pumpkins fan myself I was curious to see how Billy did trying his hand at poetry. He and Yungchen Llahmo (tibetan singing) came out at the same time, and performed together. Sometimes it was Yungchen solo, sometimes billy played acoustic guitar backup for her. Billy would read poems as they are, or sometimes with guitar and Yungchen singing. Made for a more interesting experience than just him reading out of his book. In addition, three audience members were allowed to come on stage and read some of his poetry. Also, a girl from the audience went onstage and played a song of her own, quite randomly...simply because she asked billy if she could, and he said sure. Nothing played or mentioned about either Zwan or Pumpkins, and I think it was all the better for that. Made for an enjoyable early evening all in all.
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So did Billy perform any songs at all?
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Isn't there something un-rock and roll about a rock singer buying a 7 million dollar house?
Actually, that's very rock and roll. Presley, the Beatles, the Stones, Zeppelin to name just a few.
You seem to have a thing for Billy C. Like his shiny bald head, do you?
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Yes, Billy performed about 4 or 5 songs just by himself while playing acoustic guitar. Didn't recognize any of them. They might be from his upcoming solo album.
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Originally posted by Sailor Ripley:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Isn't there something un-rock and roll about a rock singer buying a 7 million dollar house?
Actually, that's very rock and roll. Presley, the Beatles, the Stones, Zeppelin to name just a few.
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Yeah, dear Rhett seems a little confused since about what's par for the course for "rock" acts and what's par for the course for "alt country" acts. Oh well.
Oh, and the songs he played were from an upcoming "Chicago acoustic" DVD. I don't think any of those that he played are from his "rock" album.
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7 million dollar houses are par for the course for a very, very small percentage of musicians of any genre.
Originally posted by elj:
Originally posted by Sailor Ripley:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Isn't there something un-rock and roll about a rock singer buying a 7 million dollar house?
Actually, that's very rock and roll. Presley, the Beatles, the Stones, Zeppelin to name just a few.
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Yeah, dear Rhett seems a little confused since about what's par for the course for "rock" acts and what's par for the course for "alt country" acts. Oh well.
Oh, and the songs he played were from an upcoming "Chicago acoustic" DVD. I don't think any of those that he played are from his "rock" album. [/b]