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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: markie on January 10, 2006, 01:05:00 pm
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It's beginning. (http://www.macrumorslive.com/web/)
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possibly a used powerbook to the vinyl household, as kosmette's parental unit is considering trading up...
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Do you want live updates?
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Do you want live updates?
That is why I posted the link???
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Originally posted by MTB-Markie:
Originally posted by vansmack:
Do you want live updates?
That is why I posted the link??? [/b]
I'll email you from my Blackberry all the juicy details. Too bad I can't post to here from the blackberry.
I have an extra ticket if you can make it out here....
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I borrowed my buddies laptop.
He's wearing a black turtle neck, holding an iPod with an FM trasmitter and what looks like a wireless reomte.
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Apparenlty I missed the discussion about SNL.
There was a snicker in the crowd.
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No more iTunes updates.
The rest of the show will focus on the Mac.
New photo editing software and a free Tiger Update.
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This seems to be a one way conversation.
http://www.macrumorslive.com/web/ (http://www.macrumorslive.com/web/)
has live updates.
If you had a ticket for me I would have gone.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
free Tiger Update.
Google and ESPN software included.
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Originally posted by MTB-Markie:
has live updates.
If you had a ticket for me I would have gone.
Just about everybody is sitting here typing.
And I had an extra ticket, but I didn't think it was worth a flight to SF to watch Jobs take old technology like uploading photos to a website, give it a clever name like "photocasting" and have a bunch of dorks go "ohhh, aaahhh" - I clearly under esitmated you.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
I clearly over esitmated you. [/b]
I just think it would be cool to see Jobs work his magic on the crowd.
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Originally posted by MTB-Markie:
I just think it would be cool to see Jobs work his magic on the crowd.
Videocasting (which I think will be huge and create some really cool youth media projects). We've gone from iEverything and podeverything to everythingcasting.
I think I predicted this in a thread a month or too ago.
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iDVD looks sweet. Even I have G5 envy over this. I've used Sonic and Nero and this looks WAY better then both.
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Apple is buying TiVo!!!!
And merging with Sony!!!!
OH MY GOD!
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Apple is buying TiVo!!!!
And merging with Sony!!!!
OH MY GOD!
Just kidding. We must have all gotten bored with the garageband demo - I see macworld made a joke at the same time.
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iWeb for your .Mac account. Too bad you're not here markie, you can tell me what a .mac account is.
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so basically what your saying is Apple is providing the "tools" for the inept to cast mediocrity
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Jobs is all over RSS these days. For those that care, I use the NewsGator plug in for outlook for my RSS and I love it.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Just about everybody is sitting here typing.
What percent of the crowd is wearing jeans and black turtlenecks?
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Originally posted by vansmack:
iWeb for your .Mac account. Too bad you're not here markie, you can tell me what a .mac account is.
An apple version of yahoo. They let you store shit online (plus give you an email address and all that shite) and charge you for it.
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
so basically what your saying is Apple is providing the "tools" for the inept to cast mediocrity
True, but like everything else on the web, after sifting through the crap, you can find a diamond out there.
I'm working with these kids in Oakland who are making some crazy stuff.
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Originally posted by vansmack:
Just about everybody is sitting here typing.
What percent of the crowd is wearing jeans and black turtlenecks? [/b]
Lots of jeans but not a lot of black turtlenecks (it takes a skinny guy to where a turtleneck and these guys, well, most are not skinny).
I'm one of about 5 guys not on the Mayors staff wearing a suit.
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I can say this.
If Bill Gates had done this many demos, we'd have seen the blue screen of death at least twice by now.
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Which one are you?
http://static.flickr.com/1/1235636_0719e9ddfc.jpg (http://static.flickr.com/1/1235636_0719e9ddfc.jpg)
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Where is the hardware?
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Originally posted by MTB-Markie:
Where is the hardware?
He opened with the iPod and then said it would be Mac stuff. Still doing iEverything software. Run to the Apple store so you can buy it today!
You'd think if there was new hardware, he'd have led with that and showed the new software on the new hardware. There are a few intel guys here.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
There are a few intel guys here.
And there you have it...
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by vansmack:
There are a few intel guys here.
And there you have it... [/b]
6 months ahead of schedule. You can buy one today. The dorks are going nuts!
The board gods are blocking me (too many posts).
3 times faster than todays G5. Dual core chip (not sure what that means but the dorks all gasped).
Looks liek the iMac, not the G5.
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New hardware always comes at the end. The best for last.
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"10.4.4 is entirely native on Intel processor. All the applications included are universal and native on Intel."
Yay!
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Originally posted by MTB-Markie:
"10.4.4 is entirely native on Intel processor. All the applications included are universal and native on Intel."
Yay!
You can trade in your old discs too. That's very nice of them.
MS guy got booed. I was the only guy who cheered for Meesenger for Mac. I think MS Handhelds will Sync with Mac office too if I heard thr guy correctly.
There was a chuckle when Apple and Intel were ready ahead of schedule and MS needs until March to be ready.
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Who the hell cares what Mac or Jobs has to say about anything? Talk about the Emperor having no clothes...
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so does this mean if you buy one of these, you will have to wait until crap like Photoshop Universal or Dreamweaver Universal come out before you can actually be productive on one
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Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:
Who the hell cares what Mac or Jobs has to say about anything? Talk about the Emperor having no clothes...
http://www.930.com/cgi-bin/ubb-cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum;f=1 (http://www.930.com/cgi-bin/ubb-cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum;f=1)
And don't click the link that says "what will the keynote bring?"
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Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:
Talk about the Emperor having no clothes...
What are they playing on HFS today?
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Originally posted by pdx pollard:
so does this mean if you buy one of these, you will have to wait until crap like Photoshop Universal or Dreamweaver Universal come out before you can actually be productive on one
They just demoed photoshop, but yes.
New mac ad hits hard on the PCs. They still lead the world in advertising.
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Originally posted by pdx pollard:
so does this mean if you buy one of these, you will have to wait until crap like Photoshop Universal or Dreamweaver Universal come out before you can actually be productive on one
It does not seem clear....
Will old simple apps not run at all?
It looks like all the major apps have a universal version ready to go.
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Originally posted by MTB-Markie:
It looks like all the major apps have a universal version ready to go.
March for most Mac apps that don't come with the iMac.
Others have a varying timeframe.
Damn flood control....
New Intel laptop too. No more G4, g5 sucked too much power top make realistic.
$2000-$2500 - ships in Febraury.
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DVR on Mac?
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Is MacBook Pro a new name? My lack of the Apple world is showing...
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Is MacBook Pro a new name? My lack of the Apple world is showing...
yes
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Originally posted by pdx pollard:
so does this mean if you buy one of these, you will have to wait until crap like Photoshop Universal or Dreamweaver Universal come out before you can actually be productive on one
My buddy says Apple's Rosetta translation software will let Office and other programs for PowerPC Macs run on the new Intel machines.
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do yhe new portables look like the old ones? Same form factor ?
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Originally posted by MTB-Markie:
do yhe new portables look like the old ones? Same form factor ?
Yes, "but they don't have the big one" says my buddy. 15.4 inches max. and they have a tear away plug like my fondue set so you don't spill it if somebody trips on the plug.
And there's a stampede to the Apple store 4 blocks away....
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How cheap do you think powerbook g4's are going to be now?
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good,
I have fucked up so many power adapters by catching the cord with my foot.
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Originally posted by econo:
How cheap do you think powerbook g4's are going to be now?
Unclear. All Macs will be running intel soon, then no-one will want the G4's. Right now if you look at the apple store online its a bit odd looking, but the G4s are still there.
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Originally posted by MTB-Markie:
What are they playing on HFS today?
What are you podcasting today?
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Originally posted by MTB-Markie:
I have fucked up so many power adapters by catching the cord with my foot.
Are you sure you should be riding bikes?
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Originally posted by econo:
How cheap do you think powerbook g4's are going to be now?
People expect the 15 inch powerbook G4 to come down in price substantially, but not the 17 inch. At least not until there's an intel version.
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
DVR on Mac?
No word, at least on a Apple based software version. But if the software is universal anything is possible.
There was talk about Apple making their own DVR with the Intel chip however, but it was all speculation.
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You mentioned something about FM and iPod. What's the deal with this? Will iPod have radio anytime soon?
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$50, tune the radio via the ipod screen.
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Originally posted by MTB-Markie:
$50, tune the radio via the ipod screen.
OK, so there will be no radio IN the ipod, but you can tune a radio WITH the ipod. What's the point of this? That's useless.
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make money.
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Any rumors as to when sirius or xm will be installed in the ipod? Or even a tuner for that matter?
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it looks kinda cool.
http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/7200905/wo/oa3FVpdhYoPv2BxL8N12w59nkAu/9.SLID?mco=1807F4C2&nplm=MA070G%2FA (http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/7200905/wo/oa3FVpdhYoPv2BxL8N12w59nkAu/9.SLID?mco=1807F4C2&nplm=MA070G%2FA)
satellite radio...
I guess never. Apple wants to sell you the content. Apple does not play nice with others. Vansmack disagrees.
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Originally posted by econo:
OK, so there will be no radio IN the ipod, but you can tune a radio WITH the ipod. What's the point of this? That's useless.
This is when I went into the hall, so I missed it. I thought it was wireless, but turns out it's wired. But I do believe that with this plug in you can listen to FM radio on your iPod, but not broadcast FM.
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Originally posted by MTB-Markie:
satellite radio...
I guess never. Apple wants to sell you the content. Apple does not play nice with others. Vansmack disagrees. [/QB]
It would be no different than the Motorola Rokr deal, so it's not like there is no precedent.
And there's nothing to keep Apple from selling content even with Satellite radio. I just think they're waiting to see the sales performance of the current portable satellite radios. You can bet that XM and Sirius are knocking on the door though.
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the thing is FM capability has been built-into various other digitial audio players and this feature has always been po-pooped by the iPod crowd as unessecary, funny how extra dangly stuff is suddenly appealing...
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Ah, OK. This makes more sense. However, I won't be able to use this with my Bose sound dock. But, that's what I have a tabletop radio for.
<img src="http://a248.e.akamai.net/7/248/2041/933/store.apple.com/Catalog/US/Images/ma070ga_125.jpg" alt=" - " />
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
the thing is FM capability has been built-into various other digitial audio players and this feature has always been po-pooped by the iPod crowd as unessecary, funny how extra dangly stuff is suddenly appealing...
Word up brother.
My Napster player cira 2003 had FM both ways from Day one. And Markie said useless and he would never use it. Now that it's white and has iPod in the name, he likes it.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Now that it's white and has iPod in the name, he likes it.
no, its because he stopped liking music and listens to 101.1
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Ok the implementation looks cool, I think the product is a poor idea, but I am sure apple will sell a boat load of them.
You might as well buy a car only to sit in it and just listen to the radio.
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Originally posted by pdx pollard:
Originally posted by vansmack:
Now that it's white and has iPod in the name, he likes it.
no, its because he stopped liking music and listens to 101.1 [/b]
Play nice or I'll start posting on their BB and then I'll start email bombing sites and then I'll cry like the pissant baby that I am when it gets turned into a Spanish music station.
Oh wait...... :(
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Apple to roll out more products Feb. 28
A press invitation to Apple Computer Inc.'s Cupertino headquarters on Feb. 28 has started another guessing game about new products.
Reporters were invited to see "some fun new products from Apple" in the invititation that was delivered on Tuesday.
Analysts speculate that Apple (NASDAQ:AAPL) will probably roll out a new Mac computer running on Santa Clara-based Intel Corp.'s (NASDAQ:INTC) chips.
American Technology Research analyst Shaw Wu said in a research report Wednesday that he believes Apple's new notebook computer could sell for $1,299 to $1,499. "We believe what will make this new consumer notebook unique and likely a top seller, is its small size and widescreen cinema display."
Others believe that new versions of Apple's iPod will be unveiled, including maybe a wireless iPod or an iPod video with a widescreen .
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This thread is about as interesting as William Shatner's sex tape.
<small>[ 02-23-2006, 01:53 PM: Message edited by: kosmo vinyl ]</small>
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WTF? Dupek is there really a shatner sex tape? I heard nothing about this!
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Did you feel a tremor in The Force last night?
Smackette tempted me to the dark side last night with a Video iPod as a gift. I haven't opened it yet for a myriad of reasons, but most importanly a fear that what will be released tomorrow might make the video iPod second rate technology. Anybody (Markie, pollard) got a pulse on this?
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I have been too busy to keep up.
Apple will probably release a crappy boombox and perhaps a touchscreen ipod.
Microsoft will make origimi and it will be as big a sales success as psp.
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no idea, sorry
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new mac mini using intel - may have an ipod dock + dvr functions. may not.
new red ipod with proceeds that go to AIDS research
new ipod boombox
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http://www.macrumorslive.com/web/ (http://www.macrumorslive.com/web/)
no dock on the mini, that was canned ages ago.
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microsoft repackages the ipod
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4313772690011721857&q=microsoft+ipod (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4313772690011721857&q=microsoft+ipod)
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Is Jobs going to unveil the blueprints on the iDestroy My Historic House project?
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How lame.
<img src="http://www.ilounge.com/h1feb.jpg" alt=" - " />
Did nothing to help in my decision.
Kosmo, did you end up getting a Zen?
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no i'm sticking low tech at the moment... i got one of those car fm transmitters that uses a flash drive for storage but mainly for podcasts. still prefer cds or cdrs of emusic mp3s. although the new ricky gervais podcast may cause a change...
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Thanks Kosmo - I'm in the same boat. I'm tired of keeping two databases, and there's no way I can keep Smackette from the Pink Mini iPod.
Has anybody with the video iPod had trouble/success with movies they've created on their own and firmware 1.1 (preloaded on this iPod)? I don't see me buying a lot of movies from iTunes, but I would convert a ton of my own stuff off the TiVo.
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it also appears apple just can't get their butts in gear with regards to a home theater pc, the new mini is only baby steps in that direction with no pvr software, etc... when are the new tivo's coming our?
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
when are the new tivo's coming out?
They're in beta testing as we speak, but I didn't get one as I'm a Satellite TV user. They only went to beta cable users, and mostly to high-def cable users.
There are rumors of TiVo practically giving away their Series 2 inventory ( as low as $20 (http://dw.com.com/redir?astid=2&destUrl=http%3A%2F%2Fs0b.bluestreak.com%2Fix.e%3Fdpc%26s%3D306632%26a%3D224505%26d%3D1303004%26url%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww%252Ecompusa%252Ecom%252Fproducts%252Fproduct%255Finfo%252Easp%253Fref%253DCNET%2526pfp%253DCNET%2526product%255Fcode%253D313608%2526cm%255Fven%253DCNET%2526cm%255Fcat%253D%2526cm%255Fpla%253D%2526cm%255Fite%253Dfeed<ype=mlst&merId=301158&mfgId=275812&oid=2001-1_1-0&ontid=6474&pg=1&pId=30981619&prc=%24%2419.99&sorder=0&stype=mplevel_desc&tag=lst&ttag=cnetfdlead&lop=online&edId=3&siteid=9&channelid=6449)) which means Series 3 must be around the corner...
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
it also appears apple just can't get their butts in gear with regards to a home theater pc, the new mini is only baby steps in that direction with no pvr software, etc...
The issue here is putting a computer in the same room as your primary TV, and more importantly operating it with a remote pointing it at your TV (not at the computer). This is why a separate box is going to rule the landscape for some time. That's also the primary reason why I haven't gone Win Media Center - the TiVo is just too damn convenient and easy to use.
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i've been thinking about the media center pc for awhile, because of the potential ability to upgrade sound cards, tv tuners, over time... however it always seems like i'm waiting for an interesting product to be announced only to find it's overpriced underpowered, etc. the new tivo's certainly sound the way to go if only because of the inclusion of cable cards... my issue with tivo was having to buy the unit and the sub, then i was stuck with the thing and not being able to upgrade, also wish it had an integrated tuner,
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Originally posted by vansmack:
How lame.
<img src="http://www.postersarts.com/Images/gwenstefaniposterswhite.jpg" alt=" - " />
Did nothing to help in my decision.
It cannot be long till apple, or perhaps to avoid legal wranglings an apple develper, makes some Tivo like software. The mini seems custom fucking designed for that purpose.
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
the new tivo's certainly sound the way to go if only because of the inclusion of cable cards... my issue with tivo was having to buy the unit and the sub, then i was stuck with the thing and not being able to upgrade, also wish it had an integrated tuner,
That subscription fee is only for stand alone TiVo's. With DirecTV you pay a $5 fee for as many DVR's you'd like, plus $5 per each additional tuner (whether it DVR capable or not). So for example, a two room set up with two Tivo's costs $15 (compare that with a two room set up with no DVR's at $10). I expect something similar when TiVo jumps over to cable technology. The question is going to be what about the added features? The TiVo-to-go feature is not currently supported by DirecTV (by D*Tv's doing, not TiVo), so that may be an additional charge.
The new TiVo's are tempting me away from DirecTV back to cable, but I doubt I make the switch. I really like the NFL Package and won't leave it. And my D*TV service is far better than any cable company I've ever used. As soon as they make the high-def DVR from DirecTV to support my MPEG-4 local high-def broadcasts (not supported by the current high-def TiVo), I may have to say goodbye to TiVo. I'm very saddened by this, but just like leaving Mac 12 years ago when they weren't serving my needs at a reasonable cost, I will have to do the same to TiVo. I won't pay cable more to give me less just because of TiVo, much like I wouldn't pay Apple more to give me less, just because one or two superior programs.
I think cable users should be very excited at this point for the new TiVo Series 3.
By integrated tuner, I assume you mean stereo tuner?
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Originally posted by MTB-Markie:
It cannot be long till apple, or perhaps to avoid legal wranglings an apple develper, makes some Tivo like software. The mini seems custom fucking designed for that purpose.
Not going to change the fact that I'm going to have to put a computer next to my TV for regular DVR use, which is going to cause a myriad of problems for the user.
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Do we have a more definite idea on the price of Tivo Series 3 yet?
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Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:
Do we have a more definite idea on the price of Tivo Series 3 yet?
No, but cable users should hope that you can lease them from your cable company like the current DVR structure because at $500-$800 (as the rumors are now saying), they could be quite steep.
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And just to recap, the only advantages of the series 3 over the series 2 is going to be HDTV compatible and the ability to watch two stations?
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an intergrated tv tuner, i thought the tivo need to use an ir blaster gizmo to change the channel on the cable box to record. i use a comcast dvr, but it's sw is not all that..
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pretty much...which is a huge for me, being a hdtv owner and all. it also has cable card support.
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Originally posted by Got Haggis?:
it also has cable card support.
i don't know what that is.
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Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:
And just to recap, the only advantages of the series 3 over the series 2 is going to be HDTV compatible and the ability to watch two stations?
I've never heard anybody say "only" before dual HD Cable Card tuners considering the technology doesn't actually exist at the moment, but as far as has been announced, that is all we know. I'd imagine there will be some new software toys as well, but I'm not testing this one.
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Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:
Originally posted by Got Haggis?:
it also has cable card support.
i don't know what that is. [/b]
Cable card support is a new mandated technology for cable companies so that you are not tied to their equipment for digital broadcasts.
With the a cable card (literally, a credit card sized plastic device that slips in to a cable card reader), users can decrypt digital cable signals without a set top box.
Most new HDTVs and nearly all new DVRs will come Digital Cable Ready, which means they will come with cable card readers built in. Like kosmo said, this means no more IR blasters for TiVo and more options for the user to set the picture quality based on thier own equipment, not the equipment of the cable company.
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Anybody remember the good old days when all you had to do was plug in your TV and jiggle the rabbit ears?
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Anybody remember the good old days when all you had to do was plug in your TV and jiggle the rabbit ears?
The days when you could watch your choice of three channels and live sports didn't exist, but for Sundays and Monday nights?
Thankfully, I've forgotten all about those days...
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Pope loves his iPod (http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_1753488.html?menu=news.quirkies)
The Pope likes to unwind by listening to his iPod.
Pope Benedict XVI was given an iPod Nano as a present by staff at Vatican Radio.
Officials have loaded it with religious music, plus pieces by Beethoven, Mozart and Chopin.
He has been spotted around the Vatican using his iPod and distinctive white earphones.
According to The Sun a spokesman said: "He is very pleased with the iPod. The Holy Father likes to unwind listening to it and is of the opinion that this sort of technology is the future."
The Queen, President Bush and Tony Blair all own an iPod.
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Q. What do vansmack, markLe & the president have in common?
<img src="http://www.felixkalkman.com/webfotoos/%20portfolio%20lowres/bodyb3.jpg" alt=" - " />
A. They are all gay.
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cable card really won't be for 'primetime' until most tv's have cable card 2.0. 1.0 only supports one direction, which means no on-demand. 2.0 is bidirectional.
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Originally posted by Got Haggis?:
cable card really won't be for 'primetime' until most tv's have cable card 2.0. 1.0 only supports one direction, which means no on-demand. 2.0 is bidirectional.
TiVo Series 3 will support Cable Card 2.0
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Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:
Do we have a more definite idea on the price of Tivo Series 3 yet?
Hey remember this thread?
I finally have an answer for you, Julian, whomever you are these days.
$799.
http://www.tivo.com/2.0.boxdetails.asp?box=series3HDDVR (http://www.tivo.com/2.0.boxdetails.asp?box=series3HDDVR)
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Apple unveiled an iTV (hello trademark infringment, expect a new name) which is a new iTV device:
- has 802.11 wireless built in
- wired networking
- USB
- an HDMI connector
- and also component video
- analog audio and optical audio.
It can controlled with an Apple remote and hooks directly to a TV or to set-top box or home theater system.
The point of iTV is to allow movies and TV shows downloaded to a computer to play on a TV in another room. Movies downloaded from iTunes will be 640x480.
And Apple added a matchbook size Shuffle.
http://www.apple.com/ipodshuffle/ (http://www.apple.com/ipodshuffle/)
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Before you upgrade to iTunes 7, make sure you don't mind living in silence for an hour.
Easily noticed upgrades:
1) Automatcially downlaod album artwork
2) Determining Gapless Playback
Depending on the size of your collection, it could take a while. My work computer (4700 songs) is upgrading and it's been about 20 minutes. It's on song 1000.
My home computer has 5 times as many songs...
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I was about to upgrade before I read this. What's the "gapless playback" feature?
EDIT: Nevermind, just found it...
Originally posted by vansmack:
Before you upgrade to iTunes 7, make sure you don't mind living in silence for an hour.
Easily noticed upgrades:
1) Automatcially downlaod album artwork
2) Determining Gapless Playback
Depending on the size of your collection, it could take a while. My work computer (4700 songs) is upgrading and it's been about 20 minutes. It's on song 1000.
My home computer has 5 times as many songs...
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Originally posted by nkotb:
I was about to upgrade before I read this. What's the "gapless playback" feature?
EDIT: Nevermind, just found it...
I always thought iTunes had it. It's the iPod that doesn't have it, but really should.
For those that don't know, it's the ability to play multiple tracks with no pause between them.
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I decided to stop the gapless playback thing and listen to music. Not sure if it's doing it behind the scenes.
It's still looking for album art work though - 198 of 496. Kind of a cool feature that's been available in many other players for some time.
There is a new picture view that will show the picture of the last album you listened to, the current album you're listening to and what's up next (at least on party shuffle).
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mine is updating, taking forever, i dont remember how many tracks i have on there, somewhere around 27000
it may almost be done, yay
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I really dig this album cover view.
It's nice to finally see the album covers for albums I may have "procured" and not necessarily purchased.
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shit, it started something new, looks like it may actually be a while still
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Originally posted by pdx pollard:
shit, it started something new, looks like it may actually be a while still
You can play music while the album art is downloading. I'm pretty sure I cut off my Gapless Loss thing though. Not entrirely sure how to do it again either...
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Originally posted by vansmack:
You can play music while the album art is downloading. I'm pretty sure I cut off my Gapless Loss thing though. Not entrirely sure how to do it again either...
it is doing the gapless loss thing now, it is on 227 of 27500, will take hours, my mac is old and slow
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Note to self: Always check the forum before updating iTunes software.
(...he says as he stares at the "Updating iTunes library" progress bar.)
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I've got OS X 10.2.8 -- not paying to upgrade my system to look at CD covers.
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Looks like the gapless play could be a real non starter as the iPod still doesn't support it. So what iTunes is doing is to create one large file for each album and then creating cue sheets to get the gapless playback on the iPod. Seems kinda of brain dead as doesn't listening to large files on the iPod consume more battery?
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dunno but i think that playing flash based games on the 5g ipods is pretty cool.
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Is there a way to upgrade without dealing with the gapless play?
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
Looks like the gapless play could be a real non starter as the iPod still doesn't support it. So what iTunes is doing is to create one large file for each album and then creating cue sheets to get the gapless playback on the iPod. Seems kinda of brain dead as doesn't listening to large files on the iPod consume more battery?
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dunno... i rarely use iTunes
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It really wasn't that bad. I have about 14000 songs in iTunes and it took about an hour.
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I like that it gets the artwork for you, but I still have quite a few albums it can't find cover art for....and these aren't obscure titles or anything.
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Originally posted by Bombay Chutney:
It really wasn't that bad. I have about 14000 songs in iTunes and it took about an hour.
i made the mistake of doing it with my ipod plugged in which seemed to confuse it, mine still isnt done
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Originally posted by nkotb:
Is there a way to upgrade without dealing with the gapless play?
I just played a song while it was doing the gapless play thing and it halted it.
You can force a resume art work, but I haven't figured out how to resume the gapless playback check (not even sure I want to, but it would be nice ot know).
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Originally posted by who the fuck are you?:
I like that it gets the artwork for you, but I still have quite a few albums it can't find cover art for....and these aren't obscure titles or anything.
It was about 60% accurate at home - missed some really obvious ones like the entire Beatles collection. Still helped a lot, but not as accurate or thorough as I would like.
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Originally posted by nkotb:
Is there a way to upgrade without dealing with the gapless play?
If you decide to skip the Gapless Playback check (simply by playing a song), you can go back and choose individual albums to make Gapless by highlighting the entire album, right-clicking (or the Mac equivalent), and in the get info, mark the album for gapless playback (bottom right).
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The new shuffle is like a matchbook:
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there is a good chance that my external drive is now fried and i have lost all my music thanks to this update, woo fucking hoo
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Originally posted by pdx pollard:
there is a good chance that my external drive is now fried and i have lost all my music thanks to this update, woo fucking hoo
I'm hearing this a lot actually. Apple should have made it clear that this is optional.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
I'm hearing this a lot actually. Apple should have made it clear that this is optional.
well I have ordered a new drive and data recovery software, i will definitely back up now rather than waiting
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I still don't 'get' what the gapless playback feature is and why you would want it?
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Originally posted by brennser:
I still don't 'get' what the gapless playback feature is and why you would want it?
as far as i can tell, it means when you are listening to your ipod there wont be a gap between songs, some albums have tracks that flow together, that was impossible to hear correctly on an ipod before
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Question regarding the external drive... The hard drive in my iMac went into retirement and luckily i had it backed up to a partition on a external drive so i'm booting the os from the external drive instead. Is this external drive problem happening if your data files are stored on it and the os is on the internal drive? And are these problems being caused by iTunes creating it's gapless files...
I'm still wondering what will happen to battery life of the hard drive based iPods as its recommended to keep the file size small, less than 9MB, in order to conserve power. The larger the file the more power the iPod uses in spinning the hard to in order to read the file into memory.
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Originally posted by pdx pollard:
Originally posted by brennser:
I still don't 'get' what the gapless playback feature is and why you would want it?
as far as i can tell, it means when you are listening to your ipod there wont be a gap between songs, some albums have tracks that flow together, that was impossible to hear correctly on an ipod before [/b]
Live recordings as well. Its use is so limited that I wich Apple would have asked if the user wanted to serach for those as well, like they did before the Album Art. Would have saved a few hard drives...
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
Question regarding the external drive... The hard drive in my iMac went into retirement and luckily i had it backed up to a partition on a external drive so i'm booting the os from the external drive instead. Is this external drive problem happening if your data files are stored on it and the os is on the internal drive? And are these problems being caused by iTunes creating it's gapless files...
Most folks who have reported hard drive failure have an external drive with the music on it and boot from an internal HD with the OS.
Some folks have reported internal drives with both the music and the OS together.
Granted these are a handful of people who seem to have a few things in common:
(1) Older computers or external hard drives
(2) Lots of music (say over 10,000 songs)
Therefore, if you have a lot of music and an old computer, back up your tunes first, or skip the Gapless check by playing a song when iTunes opens and tells you that it's doing the check.
Computers don't like to check massive amounts of data (say 20gb) while being interrupted. That's why Windows has to restart Defrag and Disc check so often - because when it's interrupted it lets go of what it's doing. It doesn't appear that iTunes is doing that and it's over working a lot of older drives.
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
I'm still wondering what will happen to battery life of the hard drive based iPods as its recommended to keep the file size small, less than 9MB, in order to conserve power. The larger the file the more power the iPod uses in spinning the hard to in order to read the file into memory.
Too early to tell - those benchmarks will require a few days of testing, and I'm certainly not going to do it myself. You raise a good point though and I'm sure somebody will do the test, it's just not going to be me.
I did discover this though. I plugged my iPod in at work, and some songs that I purchased at home from iTunes weren't on my work computer, but they were on my iPod. iTunes at work asked me if I wanted to add these songs to my library and copied the songs from my iPod to my work computer. This only happens for songs purchased from iTunes and if the computer is authorized for your account. They also upped the number of authorized machines from 4 to 5. The purchased file transfer should have happened year ago, but I'm glad it finally did happen.
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For point of clarity, after the first time you synch with the iTunes 7, you can right click on your iPod to synch purchased songs.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
(1) Older computers or external hard drives
(2) Lots of music (say over 10,000 songs)
ding and ding
last of the non lamp looking imacs and a 4 year old external firewire maxtor
and 27500 tracks
the weird thing is that i really wasnt that upset about it, guess just have different priorities now
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Originally posted by pdx pollard:
the weird thing is that i really wasnt that upset about it, guess just have different priorities now
And you're a smart enough techie to know that this meltdown was on it's way. External hard drives weren't really made for every day, constant use. The orignal design was for transporting large files between computers. If I get 3 years out of an external drive, I feel like I've done really well.
Back to iTunes 7, I asked it to check for artwork at home again last night and it did a much better job of finding artwork. It looks like this is a project in motion, so I recommend asking ti to check often, assuming you don't have an old external hardrive with a lot of song files....
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Who's going to be the first in the neighborhood with a 'Zune'?
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Microsoft's Zune media player unveiled
By TODD BISHOP
P-I REPORTER
Microsoft Corp. Thursday morning confirmed details and showed the first official images of Zune, its portable media device that will challenge the iPod.
The company said the first Zune will be a 30-gigabyte model with a three-inch screen and an FM radio tuner, available in black, brown or white.
Built-in wireless technology will let users share songs from device to device.
Microsoft did not name a price for Zune, which is slated for release later this year. Apple sells its 30-gigabyte iPod for $249.
An accompanying music service, Zune Marketplace, will offer users the choice of purchasing individual tracks and albums, or receiving unlimited songs for a subscription, the company said. People who receive tracks through the sharing feature will be able to play them for free three times or for three days, then prompted to buy the songs themselves.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
It was about 60% accurate at home - missed some really obvious ones like the entire Beatles collection. Still helped a lot, but not as accurate or thorough as I would like.
No Beatles available from iTunes therefore no album art.
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Originally posted by beetsnotbeats:
Originally posted by vansmack:
It was about 60% accurate at home - missed some really obvious ones like the entire Beatles collection. Still helped a lot, but not as accurate or thorough as I would like.
No Beatles available from iTunes therefore no album art. [/b]
There are many albums not available on iTunes that it found artwork for, so I doubt this is the case. I would be very disappointed (albeit not entirely surprised) in Apple if this was the case.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by beetsnotbeats:
Originally posted by vansmack:
It was about 60% accurate at home - missed some really obvious ones like the entire Beatles collection. Still helped a lot, but not as accurate or thorough as I would like.
No Beatles available from iTunes therefore no album art. [/b]
There are many albums not available on iTunes that it found artwork for, so I doubt this is the case. [/b]
Artwork found with the iTunes app or through other channels?
I would be very disappointed (albeit not entirely surprised) in Apple if this was the case.
Album art is also copyrighted so they may be simply covering their ass.
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Originally posted by beetsnotbeats:
Artwork found with the iTunes app or through other channels?
Found with the itunes app. At work, I alomst never put artwork in, but it's getting pretty full, and many of these albums aren't available off iTunes. Some examples out of the next few on my party shuffle:
The Smiths - Queen is Dead
The Famous - Light, Sweet, Crude
Dangerdoom - The Mouse and the Mask
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Originally posted by beetsnotbeats:
Album art is also copyrighted so they may be simply covering their ass.
I'm pretty sure the Fair Use doctrine applies here and makes it ok for artwork for the CD your listening to be displayed in iTunes.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
I'm pretty sure the Fair Use doctrine applies here and makes it ok for artwork for the CD your listening to be displayed in iTunes.
"Fair use" applies to personal usage, not corporations like Apple. That means it's OK for you to copy Beatles album artwork and paste it onto your MP3s, but it's not OK for Apple to distribute album artwork unless Apple has permission to do so. They don't have permission from the Beatles. They almost assuredly have some blanket agreement giving them permission from whatever distributors The Smiths and Dangerdoom are signed with.
Secondly, the update didn't kill your hard drive. Chances are that your hard drive was already having problems before the update, but you just didn't notice it. The update just touched a lot of files and made the problem noticeable. In the future try using SMARTReporter (http://homepage.mac.com/julianmayer/) (or equivalent) to monitor your hard drives.
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Originally posted by Darth Ed:
Secondly, the update didn't kill your hard drive. Chances are that your hard drive was already having problems before the update, but you just didn't notice it. The update just touched a lot of files and made the problem noticeable. In the future try using SMARTReporter (http://homepage.mac.com/julianmayer/) (or equivalent) to monitor your hard drives.
that link says that it doesnt work on firewire drives
at least after 14 hours or so the data recovery software is finally making some progress, looks like i may be able recover alot of the files
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that zune is gonna be more expensive than the ipod.
if its not, i will be very surprised.