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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer on October 20, 2005, 09:43:00 am
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say they are great, so maybe they are.
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Have you even heard the album? Seriously.
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i thought everyone on this board talks about how terrible pitchfork is all the time
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I've heard a couple of songs. Assuming the radio wasn't deliberately playing they worst songs, they are at best, just ok. Seriously.
Originally posted by [username edited by p.c. moderator]:
Have you even heard the album? Seriously.
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I like the fact that people are unimpressed with them, this way they will stay playing at the Blackcat, IOTA... rather than going to larger venues.
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Originally posted by Barcelona:
I like the fact that people are unimpressed with them, this way they will stay playing at the Blackcat, IOTA... rather than going to larger venues.
Yeah, because Rhett and Mankie are totally tastemakers
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Well people SHOULD listen to me. If they don't, fuckem.
The response to their show on this board was pretty underwhelming.
Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
Originally posted by Barcelona:
I like the fact that people are unimpressed with them, this way they will stay playing at the Blackcat, IOTA... rather than going to larger venues.
Yeah, because Rhett and Mankie are totally tastemakers [/b]
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Originally posted by Xavier Bush, Power Forward:
The response to their show on this board was pretty underwhelming.
Oh, Broken Social Scene at Black Cat, where are you now when we need your guidance the most?
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Well, Pitchfork isn't the only one raving. (http://www.metacritic.com/music/artists/clapyourhandssayyeah/clapyourhandssayyeah)
I agree that the show was only okay, but I really like the CD, which will probably make my top ten for this year.
I think the underwhelming response to the show had alot to do with the fact that some people had Arcade Fire-like expectations. The band themselves have said they're not very good live, so I wasn't really expecting much, and left the Black Cat pleasantly surprised.
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More like Clap Your Hands Say BLEAH. I have listened to that record a few times now and the lead singer sounds like an inferior David Byrne. In fact, the band sounds like they're trying too hard to be the Talking Heads, the only problem is that the Talking Heads were great, these guys aren't.
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They're all right, I guess. I've been meaning to ask what you all thought of the production/recording. I think it's a little shoddy. Unless, they want it to sound that way.
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The production is obviously inferior, and to whoever said they're trying to sound like Talking Heads, I can hear that, but Neutral Milk Hotel comes to mind more rapidly.
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the production is inferior because its basically a demo
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Originally posted by [username edited by p.c. moderator]:
The production is obviously inferior,
In a way, it's kinda refreshing...reminds me of bands basically just starting out w/ limits in the studio. Other times, it's annoying - I can't really hear some of the music.
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This should start an uproar.
If the CYHSY album was released by Talking Heads back in their prime it would be considered one of the greatest records of all time.
I think it is a great record despite the backlash that is picking up steam.
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Couldn't you say the same thing about Arcade Fire, Stellastarr, and a half dozen other bands mimicking that sound?
I don't think anything released by the Talking Heads comes close to "greatest records of all time" status. And neither will any of the records of their copiers.
Originally posted by allmy$to930:
This should start an uproar.
If the CYHSY album was released by Talking Heads back in their prime it would be considered one of the greatest records of all time.
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It's pretty amazing how big (relatively speaking) they've gotten, considering the album is self produced, self released, and not a dime was spent on PR...
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Well, I never would have thought of myself as a complete novice when it comes to judging recording quality, but I just don't hear the "shoddy inferior" production. What specifically are the deficiencies? I mean, it's not like it's an unmastered disc where every track is at a different volume. Raw, perhaps. Not Strokes-like overproduction, certainly. But shoddy?
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Overproduction blah blah underproduction blah blah. So what if the Strokes are "overproduced." Their studio work is as good as any of the handful of the top bands from the past five years. They also happen to be amazing live. Crap Your Hands isn't even in the conversation. In fact, they should have gone ahead and just refunded everybody's money or promised to take some music lessons. "Childlike whimsy" is one thing, but amateurish and condescending is a totally different story.
Besides, the most depressing thing about their performance was that they weren't Fiona Apple. Listening to her latest gives me the same feeling that I got when "OK Computer" came out all those years ago. Everything else pales by comparison. :D
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Shoddy is too harsh -- I picked a word and went w/ it because, it's a little shakey.
It's not raw, (the way I think of raw) or underproduced. It's a bit static-y at times (unclear) and the vocals are far away in other spots. Demo is the word.
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Actually, this is a great description of Clap Your Hands Say Yeah. I am not impressed with that band at all.
Originally posted by Bags:
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just bought the album this weekend ... there are some really good tracks ... the "you look like david bowie" song is great, that line and the way he says it keeps running through my head ... but yeah, not earth-shattering at all
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I saw them last week at the 8x10 and thought they were fantastic the whole way through. I love their album.
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The band themselves have said they're not very good live, so I wasn't really expecting much, and left the Black Cat pleasantly surprised.
bad bands sound worse live, and good bands sound better live. any band that admits to "not being very good live" is probably shite by my definition. i mean really, how many bands do you like that sound worse live than their album? the album is being described in this thread as demo-like for chrissakes.
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OK Computer wasn't even the best album of 1997.
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Just listening to them now, fantastic album! Great songs such as The skin of my yellow country teeth. Not sure why, but I really like the fact that so many people dislike them.
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Lazer, I'm assuming that wasn't a rhetorical comment. Please tell me who, other than Radiohead, delivered the best album of 1997. If it isn't Bjork, then I know you either a) are lying, or b) were in middle school.
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the strokes, radiohead, bjork, fiona apple ... you've just got it all figured out, frenchpiece.
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Best albums of 1997:
Sleater-Kinney -- Dig Me Out
Followed closely by Bob Dylan's Time Out of Mind. Maybe Cornershop in third.
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Welcome to my world.
Originally posted by Barcelona:
Not sure why, but I really like the fact that so many people dislike them.
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Originally posted by Lazer Guided Melodies:
best album of 1997.
Sleater-Kinney, "Dig Me Out"
'97 wasn't all that great a year for albums for me...
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Best albums of 1997:
Sleater-Kinney -- Dig Me Out
Followed closely by Bob Dylan's Time Out of Mind. Maybe Cornershop in third.
dig me out, yes
i can hear the heart beating as one
perfect from now on
also candidates
edit never mind on if you're feeling sinister, looks like 1996
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Best album of 1997: Too Far To Care
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Hey Booker, gimme a call so we can grab a few brews and rock out to my Foghat LP's.
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i like the second half of the album.
they were hyped by pitchfork so the scenesters will claim to hate them, but theyre really ok. of course theyre also not all theyre hyped up to be
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Originally posted by TheWaz:
they were hyped by pitchfork so the scenesters will claim to hate them
Nah, just like them again in three years. ;)
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Without going into detail, I have good reason to suspect that The Black Angels will probably be playing at Coachella next year.
Don't know anything about the Hand Clappers and couldn't care less. That has nothing whatsoever to do with Pitchfork since I have no idea what is going on there since I never bother with it. And that has nothing whatsoever to do with being or not being 'hip' as I couldn't care less what any faux hipsters think. In the end, it's all about the music.
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There is a CYHSY track "In This Home On Ice" on this months Paste Magazine CD sampler and instrumentally it's fairly straight forward decent dreamy indie pop. However, once the "singer" kicked in I was ready to pull out my hair. Tuneless, limited range and unintelligible lyrics. One of the few lyric couplet I can make out is something shedding skin like a snake. If this is what the band is about then I'm not interested. Plus, At least on this track there is no evidence of a Talking Heads influence either.
Are people so desperate to find the next thing first, that one Pitchfork reviewers opinion is enough to send them into mass hysteria?
And gotta say that based on my limited exposure to Broken Social Scene that they appear to be making cacophony for the sake of making cacophony in order to cover up the weak songs. Take the track on the sampler disk "Ibi Dreams of Pavement". It would appear they decided that horns were needed to agument otherwise lazily strummed guitars, with little added effect I might add.
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Originally posted by Jaguar:
Without going into detail, I have good reason to suspect that The Black Angels will probably be playing at Coachella next year.
Don't know anything about the Hand Clappers and couldn't care less. That has nothing whatsoever to do with Pitchfork since I have no idea what is going on there since I never bother with it. And that has nothing whatsoever to do with being or not being 'hip' as I couldn't care less what any faux hipsters think. In the end, it's all about the music.
if at the end it's all about the music and you don't know anything about Clap your... why don't give it a try, you might or might not like them, but listen to them, otherwise you are prejudging them based on who knows what, which probably makes you another cool indie music fan.
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Originally posted by Barcelona:
Originally posted by Jaguar:
Without going into detail, I have good reason to suspect that The Black Angels will probably be playing at Coachella next year.
Don't know anything about the Hand Clappers and couldn't care less. That has nothing whatsoever to do with Pitchfork since I have no idea what is going on there since I never bother with it. And that has nothing whatsoever to do with being or not being 'hip' as I couldn't care less what any faux hipsters think. In the end, it's all about the music.
if at the end it's all about the music and you don't know anything about Clap your... why don't give it a try, you might or might not like them, but listen to them, otherwise you are prejudging them based on who knows what, which probably makes you another cool indie music fan. [/b]
touché. I have a feeling you do know "what is going on there (pitchfork)", i dont read pitchfork either, but its very obvious that they raved over CYHSY tossing them into stardom.
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The notion that Pitchfork alone can push a band into "stardom" is frequently cited, but demonstrably false. Arcade Fire and Clap Your Hands are but two of dozens of albums that Pitchfork has raved about in the last year.
How come there hasn't been a similar effect for Serena Maneesh, Wilderness, The Boy Least Likely To, Caribou, Isolee, Edan, Six Organs of Admittance, Castanets, etc....
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
The notion that Pitchfork alone can push a band into "stardom" is frequently cited, but demonstrably false. Arcade Fire and Clap Your Hands are but two of dozens of albums that Pitchfork has raved about in the last year.
i'd agree with arcade fire and clap your hands ... they both got buzz from a lot of other places ... there's more of a case to be made, however, for broken social scene
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clap your hands was more of a push from blogville, i thought
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
The notion that Pitchfork alone can push a band into "stardom" is frequently cited, but demonstrably false.
The way I see it, a band needs two things to break: (1) a sound that appeals to people at that time, and (2) someway for people to hear it.
Pitchfork has been that #2 for BSS, CYHSY, Arcade Fire, and a few others. Simply look at sales figures from before pitchfork's reviews, and right afterwards. Without pitchfork, I don't see any of those bands being particularly big.
Now, you make the good point of other hyped bands that don't break. They're lacking #1 on my list.
I guess the point is, Pitchfork is sort of like an accelerant; it speeds up the word of mouth drastically - whereas it might have taken CYHSY years to have the word-of-mouth generate, Pitchfork allows a large group of people who would be favorable to their music to figure out they exist much quicker then otherwise. So, as with most things, the answer is neither of the extremes ("Pitchfork does nothing" vs. "pitchfork MAKES bands") but lies somewhere in the middle.
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I first heard them on WOXY. Don't know if they got more play there because of pitchfork or not.
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So which bands have recieved the biggest boost in sales from BigYawn?
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Originally posted by Earl Blanton Jr., Late Model Champ:
So which bands have recieved the biggest boost in sales from BigYawn?
Hmm... probably Slipknot after we gave them that 8.5.
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Originally posted by Barcelona:
Originally posted by Jaguar:
Without going into detail, I have good reason to suspect that The Black Angels will probably be playing at Coachella next year.
Don't know anything about the Hand Clappers and couldn't care less. That has nothing whatsoever to do with Pitchfork since I have no idea what is going on there since I never bother with it. And that has nothing whatsoever to do with being or not being 'hip' as I couldn't care less what any faux hipsters think. In the end, it's all about the music.
if at the end it's all about the music and you don't know anything about Clap your... why don't give it a try, you might or might not like them, but listen to them, otherwise you are prejudging them based on who knows what, which probably makes you another cool indie music fan. [/b]
I meant that I have no idea if the Hand Clappers will be playing at Coachella. :roll: With that said, I'm still not taken with their music.
And I fully agree with GGW that there is more to life than Pitchfork. There are tons of sites and outlets that collectively help to promote bands. It's just that Pitchfork gets a lot more credit for this than they sometimes deserve though they do pull in a big share. Have to give credit where credit is do even if I'm not of their readership.
Personally, I don't think it's a bad site by any means though I have my problems with them. I find that I only end up clicking on their site about once every 4 or 5 months. Not that I'm avoiding them. I just find that they don't interest me enough so I very rarely end up there. When I do, it's usually because I've followed someone's link. I've got my own network of friends and much smaller sites elsewhere and they do me just fine for the time being.
While on the subject, I'll take this opportunity to retract some comment I made regarding one of Pitchfork's praises. (Have no clue which thread that I made it in.) Someone (GGW, I think) noted that Pitchfork; as also stated by GGW above; predicted that Sarena Maneesh would take off and I said that I had only seen 1 video and thought they were overrated. Well, since then I've heard more and have been highly impressed. Not convinced the run of the mill hipster will be taken with them but I suspect that once more people hear them, they will have more fans. It's we Shoegazers and Psychedelic fans who will enjoy them along with several others riding someone's wagon, be it Pitchfork or whomever.