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Title: dont fuk with dc.
Post by: definitivedoodle on October 23, 2005, 07:24:00 pm
cam'ron getting shot.
 
 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051023/ap_on_en_mu/cam_ron_shooting (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051023/ap_on_en_mu/cam_ron_shooting)
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Post by: chaz on October 23, 2005, 10:18:00 pm
tru dat
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Post by: Frank Gallagher on October 24, 2005, 05:27:00 am
Deserves to be shot for buying a lambo!
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Post by: Julian, Alleged Computer F**kface on October 24, 2005, 09:11:00 am
You Be Betty's parents to thread, stat!
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Post by: kosmo vinyl on October 24, 2005, 09:21:00 am
note to self: leave Lamborghini in the garage...
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Post by: yinzer on October 24, 2005, 09:24:00 am
maybe the lamborghini just had some fly rims.
 
 seriously though, it's a damn shame that guy was shot.  at least he wasn't hurt too badly.
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Post by: muschi on October 24, 2005, 09:29:00 am
which waterfront: sw or gtown?
 
 sw wtrfront is real dodgy. i already had an incident there. real nice place infrastructure-wise but too close to bad areas. protect yourself, tough luck if u r a dc resident, u r on your own.
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Post by: Shadrach on October 24, 2005, 12:10:00 pm
I don't know about this. It sounds staged. I mean maybe he wanted some street cred and getting shot seemed like a good idea. Look at 50 Cent, he's been shot like 9 times and he's the number one selling rapper right now. Who tries to car jack a Lambroghni? You wouldn't get 5 blocks before the cops picked you up.
Title: Re: dont fuk with dc.
Post by: definitivedoodle on October 24, 2005, 12:13:00 pm
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Originally posted by Shadrach:
  I don't know about this. It sounds staged. I mean maybe he wanted some street cred and getting shot seemed like a good idea. Look at 50 Cent, he's been shot like 9 times and he's the number one selling rapper right now. Who tries to car jack a Lambroghni? You wouldn't get 5 blocks before the cops picked you up.
i agree, seems off.
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Post by: sacriforce on October 24, 2005, 12:36:00 pm
I don't know man, getting shot through both arms sounds like a big fat b-otch to me. and I'll bet $10 to a biscuit it was southwest waterfront.
 
 
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Originally posted by Shadrach:
  I don't know about this. It sounds staged. I mean maybe he wanted some street cred and getting shot seemed like a good idea. Look at 50 Cent, he's been shot like 9 times and he's the number one selling rapper right now. Who tries to car jack a Lambroghni? You wouldn't get 5 blocks before the cops picked you up.
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Post by: anarchist on October 24, 2005, 01:17:00 pm
he was at h2o in sw.  the assult happened at nj +ny in ne?  nw? he was in town for hu homecoming.  sez he is coming back next week.
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Post by: alex on October 24, 2005, 01:18:00 pm
anyone who gets rich off of a song as terrible as "hey ma" deserves to get shot
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Post by: smakawhat on October 24, 2005, 01:24:00 pm
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Originally posted by alex:
  anyone who gets rich off of a song as terrible as "hey ma" deserves to get shot
don't complain about the guy who made it, but those who bought it
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Post by: sacriforce on October 24, 2005, 02:17:00 pm
"This on my wrist is nothing
 It's just yellow hearts and pink diamonds
 How'd I get these?
 Don't think rhymin"
 
  - Cam'ron, 'Dip-Set Anthem'
 
 that aside, those guys are pretty prolific album and singles makers. plus they're part of the Rocafella empire which is no small potatoes. now they're in the business of resurecting wobbly older acts like Mobb Deep.
 
 
Quote
Originally posted by alex:
  anyone who gets rich off of a song as terrible as "hey ma" deserves to get shot
Title: Re: dont fuk with dc.
Post by: snailhook on October 24, 2005, 02:58:00 pm
astute social commentary from the allhiphop board:
 
 "how are three niggas gunna run up on a nigga for a
 two-seater car? I swear to god niggas is getting
 dumber and dumber."
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Post by: muschi on October 24, 2005, 03:08:00 pm
my rap name from now on shall be "Mo'ron". Word. Word to yo muvva. Peace, in. [contorted hand gestures that look like i'm having a seizure].
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Post by: shoot ur shot on October 24, 2005, 03:37:00 pm
<img src="http://5thape.com/images/camron01.jpg" alt=" - " />
 
 CAPO STATUS
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Post by: SalParadise on October 24, 2005, 04:29:00 pm
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Originally posted by snailhook:
  astute social commentary from the allhiphop board:
 
 "how are three niggas gunna run up on a nigga for a
 two-seater car? I swear to god niggas is getting
 dumber and dumber."
one was gonna sit on another's lap?
 
 seriously though, they said he had on about $200K worth of diamonds. they could've left the car right there and still made off golden with the jewelry alone.
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Post by: HoyaSaxa03 on October 24, 2005, 07:37:00 pm
if you're going to make bullshit claims on your albums about violence you open yourself up to violence in the real world ...
 
 all these bullshit claims rappers make about violence partly fuels the real posturing and hip-hop aping that happens on the streets, so when some idiot like cam'ron actually runs into some of the violence that he helped fuel, i don't feel bad in the slightest
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Post by: muschi on October 24, 2005, 07:59:00 pm
ditto.
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Post by: Jaguar on October 25, 2005, 02:03:00 am
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
  if you're going to make bullshit claims on your albums about violence you open yourself up to violence in the real world ...
 
 all these bullshit claims rappers make about violence partly fuels the real posturing and hip-hop aping that happens on the streets, so when some idiot like cam'ron actually runs into some of the violence that he helped fuel, i don't feel bad in the slightest
Than why do you listen to so much of it?
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Post by: HoyaSaxa03 on October 25, 2005, 11:17:00 am
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Originally posted by Jaguar:
  Than why do you listen to so much of it?
not to be a dick, jaguar, but comments like this just prove how little people know about hip-hop
 
 here are some of the hip-hop acts i listen to (just scrolling through my itunes):
 
 a tribe called quest
 aesop rock
 atmosphere
 beastie boys
 black star
 blackalicious
 cee-lo
 common
 danger mouse
 de la soul
 del tha funkee homosapien
 
 if you knew anything about hip-hop, you'd know that the stupid-ass violent posturing is largely done by the commercial shit pouring out of the radio ... MANY people listen to hip-hop and avoid that crap
 
 and it's not that all this hip-hop is uniformally positive, but it addresses real issues and the rappers don't wear pink fucking velour
 
 here's some lyrics from the roots' "what they do", released in 1996:
 
 Never do....what they do, what they do, what they do...
 Never do....what they do, what they do, what they do...
 
 Verse One:
 
 Yo, lost generation, fast pace nation
 World population confront their frustration
 The principles of true hip-hop have been forsaken
 It's all contractual, and about money making
 Pretend-to-be cats don't seem to know their limitations
 Exact replication and false representation
 You wanna be a man, then stand your own
 To MC requires skills, I demand some shown
 I let the frauds keep frontin
 And roam like a celluar phone far from home
 Giving crowds what they wanted
 Offical hip-hop consumption, the 5th dumpin
 Keepin ya party jumpin wit an original somethin
 Yo, I dedicate this to the one dimension-al
 No imagination, excuse for perpetration
 My man came over and said
 'Yo we thought we heard you'
 Joke's for you
 We heard your bitin ass crew but uh
 
 Chorus: Raphael Saadiq
 
 Never do, what they do when they do what they do
 (repeat 2X)
 
 Verse Two: Black Thought
 
 Thin is the line of between love and hatred
 The game is ill-natured, it's nothing sacred
 Hey yo, it's funny when i see some rap niggaz do the making
 Of you would blow up or go as far as they can take it
 My nine to five is just to hit ya get the party live
 I'm Black Thought, used to rap for sport
 
 Now the rhymes need life support
 I take it very seriously within this industry
 It's various crews that try to touch me
 But I come wit the beautiful thing
 And I bless the track plushly
 Around the world the crowds love me from doing tours
 Recepient of applause from you and yours
 Creator of original sounds to send to stores you take home
 To absorb and sweat it out your pores
 Now who can stop the music runnin through these veins
 Infinitely go against the grain
 That's why my motto's to
 
 Chorus
 
 Verse Three:
 
 Livin the life of limos and lights
 Airplanes and trains
 Short days and long nights
 Keyboards and mics
 Bass chords and drum kicks
 And my mental thick to hit my head like brick
 As I embark on a mission welcoming to the dark
 When I first spark the arts, when's the listening start
 Open your head wide and let the thought inside
 My style fortified by all of philladel-phy
 I've dealt more stealth than all the wicked weal-thy
 Mentality undetectable by the naked eye
 Then I get paid when the record is played
 To put it short I want it Made like Ed, nuff said
 Then after that, I'm puttin on the ___
 Let the ladies blend with the darkskin devil bred and discover
 My level is that of no other
 And Roots crew bring offical and true
 While I'm continuin to...
 
 Chorus: repeat 4X
 
 the VAST majority of the hip-hop i listen to talks about kicking peoples ass in rap battles, not on the street
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Post by: Frank Gallagher on October 25, 2005, 11:27:00 am
Then I would say these nice hippity hoppities need a new p.r. person because all the masses get is the hate-mongering, racist, sexist wankers like old fiddy.
 
 Having said that...I asked this before and got ignored. "The disposable heroes of hipocrasy" I thought were great when I saw them support Billy Bragg. Are they part of the tree-hugging hip-hoppers?
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Post by: muschi on October 25, 2005, 11:33:00 am
KRS-One is pretty decent from what ive heard. He and Chuck D w/ Public Enemy ought to make the black community proud. Did/does anyone there listen to their message? I see a lot of black folks being their own worst enemy, but i really dont know, wish i did.
 
 krs1 mp3 web page (http://www.yourfilehost.com/media.php?cat=audio&file=KRS_One-Hold.mp3)
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Post by: HoyaSaxa03 on October 25, 2005, 11:35:00 am
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Originally posted by Roadbike Mankie:
  Then I would say these nice hippity hoppities need a new p.r. person because all the masses get is the hate-mongering, racist, sexist wankers like old fiddy.
i can't say i'm flabbergasted by people on here having no idea about hip-hop history or the scene today, but most of these "underground" rappers DON'T WANT PR PEOPLE ... did you read those lyrics? "never do... what they do..."
 
 it's like saying pavement needed new PR folks because all the masses heard was shitty-ass stone temple pilots ... it's just the way it is, the best and most challenging music is always underground
 
 
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Originally posted by Roadbike Mankie:
  Having said that...I asked this before and got ignored. "The disposable heroes of hipocrasy" I thought were great when I saw them support Billy Bragg. Are they part of the tree-hugging hip-hoppers?
sorry, i have no idea who those guys are
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Post by: ggw on October 25, 2005, 11:41:00 am
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Originally posted by Roadbike Mankie:
  Having said that...I asked this before and got ignored. "The disposable heroes of hipocrasy" I thought were great when I saw them support Billy Bragg. Are they part of the tree-hugging hip-hoppers?
"Hiphoprisy"
 
 And yes, they are part of the "tree-hugging" school.  This was Michael Franti's group before he went solo.
 
 I'm sure Hoya has heard "Television - The Drug of the Nation" but just doesn't make the connection.
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Post by: Venerable Bede on October 25, 2005, 11:44:00 am
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
   
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Originally posted by Roadbike Mankie:
  Having said that...I asked this before and got ignored. "The disposable heroes of hipocrasy" I thought were great when I saw them support Billy Bragg. Are they part of the tree-hugging hip-hoppers?
"Hiphoprisy"
 
 And yes, they are part of the "tree-hugging" school.  This was Michael Franti's group before he went solo.
 
 I'm sure Hoya has heard "Television - The Drug of the Nation" but just doesn't make the connection. [/b]
or their remake of "california uber-alles"
 
 they broke up a long time ago, didn't they?  franti left and formed spearhead, and that turned into a solo project, if i remember correctly.
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Post by: HoyaSaxa03 on October 25, 2005, 11:58:00 am
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
 I'm sure Hoya has heard "Television - The Drug of the Nation" but just doesn't make the connection.
sure, sure ... i don't want to write a thesis here, my only point being that many people on here are completely ignorant of hip-hop, but still often make these broad-brush statements about rappers
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Post by: Sailor Ripley on October 25, 2005, 12:04:00 pm
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
  "Hiphoprisy"
 
 And yes, they are part of the "tree-hugging" school.  This was Michael Franti's group before he went solo.
 
 I'm sure Hoya has heard "Television - The Drug of the Nation" but just doesn't make the connection.
Charlie Hunter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hunter) was part of that group too.
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Post by: definitivedoodle on October 25, 2005, 03:29:00 pm
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
   
Quote
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
 I'm sure Hoya has heard "Television - The Drug of the Nation" but just doesn't make the connection.
sure, sure ... i don't want to write a thesis here, my only point being that many people on here are completely ignorant of hip-hop, but still often make these broad-brush statements about rappers [/b]
theres a huge line divided between RAPPERS and HIP HOP artists.
 
 RAP IS SOMETHING YOU DO, HIP HOP IS SOMETHING YOU LIVE.
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Post by: muschi on October 25, 2005, 04:06:00 pm
i liked when they said their name and what they do --- to music:
 
 my name is fred
 and im an indus-trial engin-eer
 and i'm here to tell - y'all
 i'm the best there is
 
 [bah-boom-boom-bap, bah-boom-boom-bap, wicky-wicky-wick, wicky-wicky-wick, bah-boom-boom-bap]
 
 ok, so im high on the job, who cares!
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Post by: Frank Gallagher on October 26, 2005, 05:51:00 am
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
   
Quote
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
 I'm sure Hoya has heard "Television - The Drug of the Nation" but just doesn't make the connection.
sure, sure ... i don't want to write a thesis here, my only point being that many people on here are completely ignorant of hip-hop, but still often make these broad-brush statements about rappers [/b]
Being thinking human beings we tend to form opinions from the information we are presented with...and all I hear, or see on MTV for that matter are close up shots of womens genitalia while some idiot grabs his nuts while ranting on about his homies and his biatches and kill that muthafucka whitey pig....sorry, you must blame the messenger on this one.
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Post by: Frank Gallagher on October 26, 2005, 05:52:00 am
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Originally posted by definitivedoodle:
   
Quote
Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
   
Quote
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
 [qb] [/b]
RAP IS SOMETHING YOU DO, HIP HOP IS SOMETHING YOU LIVE.
 
 [/b]
Please, please....teach me how to live hip hop!  :roll:
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Post by: shoot ur shot on October 26, 2005, 08:32:00 am
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Originally posted by Roadbike Mankie:
     
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
     
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
 I'm sure Hoya has heard "Television - The Drug of the Nation" but just doesn't make the connection.
sure, sure ... i don't want to write a thesis here, my only point being that many people on here are completely ignorant of hip-hop, but still often make these broad-brush statements about rappers [/b]
Being thinking human beings we tend to form opinions from the information we are presented with...and all I hear, or see on MTV for that matter are close up shots of womens genitalia while some idiot grabs his nuts while ranting on about his homies and his biatches and kill that muthafucka whitey pig....sorry, you must blame the messenger on this one. [/b]
I'm not the hip hop police or anything but that seems willfully ignorant of you to say. One needn't be too wise to know that MTV pimps music of the lowest common denominator -- whether its bootie shakin club/kegger anthemz or of the mallpunk twinky breath variety -- the common thread being a focus on image & lifestyle. Those being the two things that kids latch onto the quickest in their adolescence to form their identity. Being a bad ass roughneck has always been a strong image in us pop culture. Just look at how the media mythologized 50 cent as if he was some superhuman force that could walk through walls or something. The labels like to run this image into the ground because it works; it sells. If all I had was MTV to evaluate Punk by, I'd probably consider it to be pretty damn shallow too. Try applying some clinical thinking sometime instead of reachinng impulsive generalizations based on your own cultural biases.
 
 edit: I should also add that if you're curious about hearing some Rap that doesn't suck, listen to this uplifting and inspiring artist named Project Pat. He has all the answers.
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Post by: Joymonster on October 26, 2005, 08:37:00 am
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
   
Quote
Originally posted by Jaguar:
  Than why do you listen to so much of it?
the stupid-ass violent posturing is largely done by the commercial shit pouring out of the radio ... MANY people listen to hip-hop and avoid that crap
 
 and it's not that all this hip-hop is uniformally positive, but it addresses real issues and the rappers don't wear pink fucking velour
 
 [/b]
Thanks for saying that.
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Post by: HoyaSaxa03 on October 26, 2005, 11:08:00 am
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Originally posted by Roadbike Mankie:
  Being thinking human beings we tend to form opinions from the information we are presented with...and all I hear, or see on MTV for that matter are close up shots of womens genitalia while some idiot grabs his nuts while ranting on about his homies and his biatches and kill that muthafucka whitey pig....sorry, you must blame the messenger on this one.
honestly, that makes you sound really ignorant ... and the thing that really disturbs me is that there are TONS of people exactly like you, who really just have no idea what hip-hop is, but can easily dismiss it with stereotypes like this
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Post by: HoyaSaxa03 on October 26, 2005, 11:22:00 am
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Originally posted by Roadbike Mankie:
 and all I hear, or see on MTV for that matter are close up shots of womens genitalia while some idiot grabs his nuts while ranting on about his homies and his biatches and kill that muthafucka whitey pig....sorry, you must blame the messenger on this one.
just re-reading this again ... do you have some kind of racial issues that you want to get off your chest here?
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Post by: thirsty moore on October 26, 2005, 11:34:00 am
This is actually pretty funny.
 
 
Quote
Originally posted by muschi:
  i liked when they said their name and what they do --- to music:
 
 my name is fred
 and im an indus-trial engin-eer
 and i'm here to tell - y'all
 i'm the best there is
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Post by: Frank Gallagher on October 27, 2005, 04:57:00 am
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
   
Quote
Originally posted by Roadbike Mankie:
 and all I hear, or see on MTV for that matter are close up shots of womens genitalia while some idiot grabs his nuts while ranting on about his homies and his biatches and kill that muthafucka whitey pig....sorry, you must blame the messenger on this one.
just re-reading this again ... do you have some kind of racial issues that you want to get off your chest here? [/b]
Not in the slightest.....I just don't give a toss about political correctness, I simply call things as I seem them...It's a Manc thing isn't it Jag?
 
 Change the colour of their skin, tweak the words slightly and see what happens. Just ask the Greaseman.
 
 *disclaimer* I in no way condone the Greaseman's comments. In fact, I found them utterly disgusting and offensive, but no more disgusting and offensive than the lyrics of most of the hip hop/rap music aired over MTV.
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Post by: Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer on October 27, 2005, 09:49:00 am
Liberals are amazing in that they can academize just about anything.
 
 Sure, it's a turd, but you have to respect where it's coming from. If you don't, you're an ignorant hatemongerer.
 
 Hiphop is almost singlehandedly responsible for the downward slide in Black music from the 1980's onward. Put all of the rappers together, and they wouldn't have 1/10 the talent or taste of a Billie Holliday, Louis Armstrong, Robert Johnson, Ella Fitzgerald, Sam Cooke, Marvin Gaye, Arthur Alexander, Bessie Smith, or Memphis Minnie.
 
 
Quote
Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
   
Quote
Originally posted by Roadbike Mankie:
  Being thinking human beings we tend to form opinions from the information we are presented with...and all I hear, or see on MTV for that matter are close up shots of womens genitalia while some idiot grabs his nuts while ranting on about his homies and his biatches and kill that muthafucka whitey pig....sorry, you must blame the messenger on this one.
honestly, that makes you sound really ignorant ... and the thing that really disturbs me is that there are TONS of people exactly like you, who really just have no idea what hip-hop is, but can easily dismiss it with stereotypes like this [/b]
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Post by: smakawhat on October 27, 2005, 10:24:00 am
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Post by: HoyaSaxa03 on October 27, 2005, 11:02:00 am
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Originally posted by Roadbike Mankie:
 Not in the slightest.....I just don't give a toss about political correctness, I simply call things as I seem them...
ok, if you "call them as you seem them", then what hip-hop have you seem that talks about killing that "muthufucka whitey pig" ... it just seemed like you applied stereotypes you have about black folks to the hip-hop you've never really listened to ... am i wrong?
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Post by: HoyaSaxa03 on October 27, 2005, 11:43:00 am
it's really too bad that these albums are completely devoid of musical talent and disrespect the history of their culture and race ... pretty embarrassing, if you ask me
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Post by: shoot ur shot on October 27, 2005, 12:44:00 pm
hoya...those records are SOFT
 
 it's all about these.....
 
 
   <img src="http://cover09.cduniverse.com/MuzeAudioArt/320/324203.jpg" alt=" - " />
 
  <img src="http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/bay2la2003/scccover2.jpg" alt=" - " />
 
  <img src="http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/B00000I8JA.01._PE7_SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpg" alt=" - " />
 
  <img src="http://www.musicmatic.de/T/TweedyB1a.jpg" alt=" - " />
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Title: Re: dont fuk with dc.
Post by: HoyaSaxa03 on October 27, 2005, 01:15:00 pm
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Originally posted by Earl Blanton Jr., Late Model Champ:
 Hiphop is almost singlehandedly responsible for the downward slide in Black music from the 1980's onward. Put all of the rappers together, and they wouldn't have 1/10 the talent or taste of a Billie Holliday, Louis Armstrong, Robert Johnson, Ella Fitzgerald, Sam Cooke, Marvin Gaye, Arthur Alexander, Bessie Smith, or Memphis Minnie.
 
Rhett, do you listen to hip-hop? or have you just encountered it in passing while surfing through the cultural stew?
 
 I could say the same thing about country music if all I heard of country music was Gretchen Wilson or Big and Rich while I changed the radio channels ... I mean, goddamn, the crap on country radio is singlehandedly responsible for the downfall of country music since the "outlaw" era of the 70s ... what? there's country music out there that honors traditions of its past and continues to create fantastic music? how could i have ever known about that?
 
 Good hip-hop has a tight relationship with the soul and R&B music not only of the past, but of the present ... just look at the Philly scene, rappers and soul-types mix and match constantly, all of whom uphold the musical standard of many of the artists you mentioned
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Post by: Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer on October 27, 2005, 02:05:00 pm
Modern mainstream hiphip and mainstream country are in my mind the most putrid music genres in the history of the universe.
 
 I was into hiphop in the late 80's, so I was a typical dumbass white liberal who thought that stuff was the shit, but I grew out of that phase.
 
 I still hear enough hiphop on KEXP and KCMP to think it shit. And my guess is that those stations are at least filtering out the worst shit.
 
 And I saw Common live earlier this year, and he fucking sucked.
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Post by: lionforce5 on October 27, 2005, 07:30:00 pm
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Originally posted by Rhett Nakafuji Blanton Jr., Model Redneck Poseur Loudmouth:
 
 I was into hiphop in the late 80's, so I was a typical dumbass white liberal who thought that stuff was the shit, but I grew out of that phase.
So this is supposed to give you some credibility?  Because you listened to a style of music twenty years ago and then decided not to?  I listened to heavy metal back in the late eighties and early nineties, and while I don't listen to it anymore I still recognize the interest that many people have in it as a genre.  Your claims are actually worse, because you imply that only "dumbass white liberals" (of which I'm not sure that you count yourself among currently) are the only white people who would find hip hop interesting.  
 
 I mean, I know you suffer from a serious Mandingo complex, but that's still no reason to take it out on the music.
Title: Re: dont fuk with dc.
Post by: Frank Gallagher on October 28, 2005, 05:02:00 am
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
   
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Originally posted by Roadbike Mankie:
 Not in the slightest.....I just don't give a toss about political correctness, I simply call things as I seem them...
ok, if you "call them as you seem them", then what hip-hop have you seem that talks about killing that "muthufucka whitey pig" ... it just seemed like you applied stereotypes you have about black folks to the hip-hop you've never really listened to ... am i wrong? [/b]
YES
 
 Who's responsible for the glamorizing the 'stereotypes' you say I have of black folks?....which you should be calling African American by the way, wouldn't want to step into the un-p.c. world?
 
 I think I've already made it clear that the hip hop/rap that I've been exposed to is the stuff on MTV etc, (50c and Ice-T years ago) which you say is not the real stuff, which may be true, but I can only go from what I have personally been exposed to, which is very offensive and sexist in my opinion. I don't profess to being an expert on the genre, in fact...that was my whole point, the 'massses' for want of a better word, are only exposed to the MTV crap so maybe the hip hop community need a better pr agent, because from what I see/heart, have absolutely no interest in looking into the genre any deeper. (remember that comment?)
 
 Can you also educate me on the east coast/west coast gangsta rap stuff that is responsible for the death of Tupac, that biggie smalls or whatever he was called, and countless others, what stereotypes should I make of that lot?
Title: Re: dont fuk with dc.
Post by: Frank Gallagher on October 28, 2005, 05:05:00 am
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Originally posted by j_lee:
   
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Originally posted by Rhett Nakafuji Blanton Jr., Model Redneck Poseur Loudmouth:
 
 I was into hiphop in the late 80's, so I was a typical dumbass white liberal who thought that stuff was the shit, but I grew out of that phase.
So this is supposed to give you some credibility?  [/b]
I think he's allowed an opinion, credibility is irrelevant.
Title: Re: dont fuk with dc.
Post by: Frank Gallagher on October 28, 2005, 07:20:00 am
;)  
 
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4355766.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4355766.stm)
 
   :eek:
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/film/4384234.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/film/4384234.stm)
Title: Re: dont fuk with dc.
Post by: definitivedoodle on October 28, 2005, 07:36:00 am
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Originally posted by shoot ur shot:
  hoya...those records are SOFT
 
 it's all about these.....
 
 
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WOW! SCC!
 
 i bought that cd when it came out.
 
 i wonder if those guys are even alive now.
Title: Re: dont fuk with dc.
Post by: Frank Gallagher on October 28, 2005, 07:43:00 am
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Title: Re: dont fuk with dc.
Post by: Frank Gallagher on October 28, 2005, 07:57:00 am
Hip Hop History Month
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  HIP HOP HISTORY MONTH
 The Universal Zulu Nation calls on the World to recognize the whole month of November as HIP HOP HISTORY MONTH!
 
 The official birthday of the Universal Zulu Nation is November 12, 1973.
 
 The official birthday of Hip Hop is November 12th, 1974.
 
 With consideration to the above mentioned dates, nothing makes more sense than to celebrate Hip Hop culture and it's history during November, which is exactly what the Universal Zulu Nation has been doing for over 27 + years. November is also significant in the fact that it kicks off the "indoor jam season". The Hip Hop community jams, enjoyed outdoors in the parks, throughout the Summer, had to move indoors for about 7 months to community centers, gymnasiums, schools etc. for the Fall and Winter seasons. The Hip Hop World should recognize this month and pay tribute to those who laid the foundation and paved the way as well as to those who continue to preserve the rich tradition of the culture.
 
 Of course, The Zulu Nation appreciates all efforts to preserve the whole of Hip Hop culture, including any days or weeks set aside to conscientiously appreciate Hip Hop, but would rather that all of these days and weeks combine to celebrate in unity every November as the tradition has been since the beginning of this culture. Founded by the godfather of Hip Hop himself, Afrika Bambaataa, The Universal Zulu Nation is the world's oldest, largest and most respected grass roots Hip Hop organization. It's members and supporters are Hip Hop's most famous and legendary artists. True school enthusiasts travel from all around the world to be in New York City, in November, for the annual Zulu Hip Hop Anniversary, the only true Hip Hop Anniversary since the beginning. The Anniversary hosts a positive Hip Hop community coming together from all walks of life to celebrate the true essence and excitement of what Hip Hop was meant to be. Many artists who have donated their performances to help raise funds at Zulu Hip Hop Anniversaries have gone on to become legends and many of these legends continue to return to NYC, in November, to give back to the core community who supported them since their careers began.
 
 A Little Background Information: In the early years of the culture, the movement went untitled until Afrika Bambaataa, started calling it "Hip Hop", a term originated by Lovebug Starski. In the 70's, ten years prior to it's gaining global recognition, Hip Hop was a celebration of life gradually developing each of it's elements to form a cultural movement. Due to it's energy, dynamics, and momentum, Hip Hop culture has become, ultimately, a key to upliftment and reformation, as well as a billion-dollar industry.
 
 From the 80's on, the Rap industry and media have helped to make the terms "Hip Hop" and "Rap" synonymous, leaving out the other elements included in the culture. In light of this enormous oversight, the Zulu Nation promotes the "5th element" of Hip Hop, which is KNOWLEDGE, and actively tries to educate the masses about the history and foundational elements of true Hip Hop culture. Bambaataa declared: "When we made Hip Hop, we made it hoping it would be about peace, love, unity and having fun so that people could get away from the negativity that was plaguing our streets (gang violence, drug abuse, self hate, violence among those of African and Latino descent). Even though this negativity still happens here and there, as the culture progresses, we play a big role in conflict resolution and enforcing positivity."
 
 Hip Hop is the Vehicle to Deliver Innumerable Lessons! Afrika Bambaataa doesn't believe that Hip Hop heads should just have knowledge of Hip Hop. He promotes and proves that Hip Hop can be used as a vehicle for teaching awareness, knowledge, wisdom, understanding, freedom, justice, equality, peace, unity, love, respect, responsibility and recreation, overcoming challenges, economics, mathematics. science, life, truth, facts and faith.
 
 The Elements: Hip Hop culture is defined as a movement which is expressed through various artistic mediums which we call "elements". The main elements are known as MC'ing (Rapping), DJ'ing, WRITING (Aerosol Art), SEVERAL DANCE FORMS (which include Breaking, Up-Rocking, Popping, and Locking) and the element which holds the rest together: KNOWLEDGE. There are also other elements such as Vocal Percussion/Beat Boxing, Fashion, etc. Within the past 20 years, Hip-Hop culture has greatly influenced the entertainment world with its creative contributions in music, dance, art, poetry, and fashion.
 
 Due to their lack of knowledge about the whole of Hip Hop culture, many of our world's youth are mistaken in thinking that activities such as: smoking blunts, drinking 40's, wearing a designer label plastered across their chest, carrying a gun, or going to strip clubs, are "Hip Hop". Hip Hop is being portrayed negatively by many artists who work in the element of Rap (emceeing), and this negativity is usually instigated and promoted by the record industry and various other corporations who exploit the culture at the expense of the youth's state of mind and morality. The Universal Zulu Nation believes there is a difference in speaking out about negativity (activism) and promoting it as a desirable lifestyle. Gangsters, pimps, playas, hustlers, niggers, spics, and many other derogatory words once used against us are now self employed in our everyday vocabulary. Our ancestors who have fought and died trying to free us from these sicknesses and slave mentality are probably turning over in their graves! Bambaataa asks you to just think about this, "How in the hell did we turn from GODS to dogs?"
 
 Afrika Bambaataa encourages you to do more research about our story, his/her-story, and what you think is your mystery is actually your history. Where are our Hip Hop thinkers, lawyers, holistic doctors, scientists, agriculturalists/herbalists, revolutionaries, politicians, judges, researchers, teachers, police, army, accountants, anthropologists, etc. Where is our own Hip Hop Museum? Many talk the talk but don't walk the walk. Many straight out sell-out to the liberation of our people as well as to all humans on the planet so called Earth! He also encourages you to do research on any Hip Hop organization that deals with consciousness and the upliftment of all people. To all those who purposely make up your own history and lie about the culture- DO YOUR RESEARCH!
 
 You can contact the Universal Zulu Nation at their main website www.ZuluNation.com (http://www.ZuluNation.com) and to explore links to other Zulu chapters and websites.
 
 Thank you in advance for forwarding this announcement to everyone you know!
 
 Peace and Blessings Afrika Bambaataa & the entire Universal Zulu Nation.
 
 As we say in Zulu - respect the many UNIVERSES and especially MOTHER EARTH.