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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer on July 28, 2003, 09:07:00 am
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My friends rather succinct review of the show in NYC...
didn't like the tyde at all. but the singer had on a cool christopher cross tshirt.
loved the pernice brothers. good show.
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Pernice Bros. aren't playing here, are they?
I'm still going to give the Tyde a chance; I've heard good things about them from a music critic friend in L.A., and he's usually pretty jaded (but he does like his 60s inspired rock n' roll).
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Nope, the Tyde opened a number of shows for the Pernice Bros, but unfortunately not here.
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keep the bad reviews coming, want to make sure I get in after Fort Reno
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yea , after that scathing review, I have decided not to bother going to the tyde. What was I thinking?
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Markie and Pollard are going to get caught between the moon and New York City.
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Originally posted by thirsty moore:
Markie and Pollard are going to get caught between the moon and New York City.
I know its crazy, but its true.
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here is Christopher Cross
http://www.underexposed.org.uk/tyde/thetyde2.htm (http://www.underexposed.org.uk/tyde/thetyde2.htm)
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I'm considering coming down but that Christopher Cross t-shirt is what's scaring me. :eek:
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Rhett has already given his verdict...... why bother?
I liked the CC t-shirt.
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i did not know that the type were a shoegazer band ;)
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Originally posted by markie:
Rhett has already given his verdict...... why bother?
Because we're all waiting with baited breath and heaving bossoms for your verdict too. :roll:
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Originally posted by mankie:
heaving bossoms [/QB][/QUOTE]
Ha mankies mantits.....
what bra size do you take again?
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I thought I heard they were coming to Baltimore soon (Pernice Brothers that is...)
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yup- September 18th
http://www.theottobar.com (http://www.theottobar.com)
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Wow, they're playing with Peter Bruntnell...excellent British alt-country guy who is friends with the Son Volt guys.
Looks like Iota and the Cat are already booked up for that weekend, wonder if the Pernice Brothers will miss DC this time around.
Originally posted by threequartersleeve:
yup- September 18th
http://www.theottobar.com (http://www.theottobar.com)
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
[QB]
Looks like Iota and the Cat are already booked up for that weekend, wonder if the Pernice Brothers will miss DC this time around.
If you don't stop harping on about the friggin penis brothers or whatever they're called, I may just have to go to B&N to give them a listen!
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Originally posted by mankie:
If you don't stop harping on about the friggin penis brothers or whatever they're called, I may just have to go to B&N to give them a listen! [/QB]
go... they are worth a listen!!!!
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
Originally posted by mankie:
If you don't stop harping on about the friggin penis brothers or whatever they're called, I may just have to go to B&N to give them a listen! [/b]
go... they are worth a listen!!!! [/QB]
I will, I respect your taste in music...it will have to be next week though because this Sunday I will be busy CHEERING FOR MY BELOVED MANCHESTER UNITED IN PHILLY AGAINST THE BADDIES OF BARCELONA!!!!
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No offense to anyone, but I really dont think Mankie will like the Pernice brothers that much. I bet he would prefer Turin Brakes.
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Originally posted by markie:
No offense to anyone, but I really dont think Mankie will like the Pernice brothers that much. I bet he would prefer Turin Brakes.
if he likes radiohead ripoff that is...
but he should checkout both and make an imformed decision.
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
Originally posted by markie:
[qb] \if he likes radiohead ripoff that is...
but he should checkout both and make an imformed decision. [/b]
Radiohead? I really dont think so. More like space vs suede. I dont hear any radiohead in there at all. But then Americans say all British acts sound like radiohead. Even the ones conceived before radiohead.
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Peter Bruntnell doesn't sound like Radiohead. Neither does Grand Drive.
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Originally posted by markie:
No offense to anyone, but I really dont think Mankie will like the Pernice brothers that much. I bet he would prefer Turin Brakes.
i think you are crazy
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i'm listening to turin breaks again and it reminds me 90's britpop lazily strummed acoustic guitars with some electronic elements.(radiohead, coldplay, etc). it also has a bit of 70's glam influence as well.
i listen to the new pernice brothers and it reminds me of the smiths with the shimmering guitars and clever wordplay.
mankie may like one, both or neither... i'm just thinking he may gleam on to the pernice brothers first.
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I'm not that keen on Radiohead so don't give much hope of a rip-off band.
I'm not big on rip-off bands as you know..Interfuckingpol for example.
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
i'm listening to turin breaks again and it reminds me 90's britpop lazily strummed acoustic guitars with some electronic elements.
that sounds like neither radiohead or coldplay, more like suede and space. Do you think coldplay sound like radiohead?
i listen to the new pernice brothers and it reminds me of the smiths with the shimmering guitars and clever wordplay.
Pernice brothers sound really American to me. I didnt pick up on any great wordplay or lyrical content either. Do you have an example?
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Originally posted by Robert Pollard:
i think you are crazy
fair enough. I bet you any money he wont like them though.
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
i listen to the new pernice brothers and it reminds me of the smiths with the shimmering guitars and clever wordplay.
mankie may like one, both or neither... i'm just thinking he may gleam on to the pernice brothers first.
Pernice Brother's are sounding more and more interesting...thanks to Kosmo's intelligent description. "reminding me of" or "influenced by" are fine..it's "blatant rip-off" that gets my goat. I'm also a lyrics person as you've probably figured out by the bands and performers I admire. I read the lyrics before I play the cd of most albums I buy.
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Originally posted by markie:
fair enough. I bet you any money he wont like them though.
crazy was regarding your assertion he would like Turin Brakes more
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Originally posted by Robert Pollard:
crazy was regarding your assertion he would like Turin Brakes more
I prefer the turin brakes. Mankie and I like similar British music. I dont hear anything in the pernice brothers. Maybe thats because I have not listened enough. I couldnt find any Pernice brothers lyrics. Can you give an example?
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we could solve this debate quickly with a little "sharing" of music ;)
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
we could solve this debate quickly with a little "sharing" of music ;)
I have listened to the Pernice Brothers. I ripped Bobs CD. I di'nt hear any interesting lyrics or wordplay. Let me ask for the third time, for either of you to recite some?
I am guessing they are not as a good as "a vicar in a tutu, he's not strange, he just wants to live his life this way"
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Originally posted by markie:
I have listened to the Pernice Brothers. I ripped Bobs CD. I di'nt hear any interesting lyrics or wordplay. Let me ask for the third time, for either of you to recite some?
go start an argument somewhere else
anyone wants to listen can do so here: http://www.pernicebrothers.com/media.shtml (http://www.pernicebrothers.com/media.shtml)
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I have looked all over for Joe Pernice's lyrics posted on the web...and there are none. I do have three Pernice Brothers albums, a solo album, and three albums by his former band, Scud Mountain Boys. I can attest to his lyrics being excellent, but couldn't recite any off the top of my head.
Originally posted by markie:
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
we could solve this debate quickly with a little "sharing" of music ;)
I have listened to the Pernice Brothers. I ripped Bobs CD. I di'nt hear any interesting lyrics or wordplay. Let me ask for the third time, for either of you to recite some?
I am guessing they are not as a good as "a vicar in a tutu, he's not strange, he just wants to live his life this way" [/b]
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Originally posted by Robert Pollard:
]go start an argument somewhere else
I am listening again now.
Its really bland sounding American radio rock. I am not just saying that to wind you up. I just reckon Mankie will think the same. Its not even vaguely like the smiths thats for sure. Perhaps that comparison being so far off base is clouding my judgement.
Still I really dont think Mankie will like it. It sounds much more like the beach boys to me. It sounds very American and Mankie doesnt like anything American.
If you ask me to go somewhere else again. I will.
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
[QB] but couldn't recite any off the top of my head.
So thats not like the smiths then?
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so I would say mankie NOT liking it is an indicator that it's probably good
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Listen to "One Foot in the Grave" and tell me that doesn't sound like a Morrissey solo song.
"Water Ban" is probably the most Smiths-like, though it's not one you can listen to in the samples.
I see more New Order overall than the Smiths, specifically Peyton Pinkerton's guitar work.
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you know i think that the smiths magically sprang up out of the cabbage patch and heard no music whats so every. and created a totally unique sound.
oh wait a minute... morrissey was the president of the English New York Dolls fanclub. an american band i do believe.
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Listen to "One Foot in the Grave" and tell me that doesn't sound like a Morrissey solo song.
I see what you are getting at, but I dont really agree. A lot of Morrisseys solo work is much worse than it.
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
oh wait a minute... morrissey was the president of the English New York Dolls fanclub. an american band i do believe.
So from that, would you say that the smiths or any morrissey song sounds like any New York dolls song?
If no, what is your point?
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Originally posted by markie:
If you ask me to go somewhere else again. I will.
is that a promise?
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Originally posted by Robert Pollard:
Originally posted by markie:
If you ask me to go somewhere else again. I will.
is that a promise? [/b]
yes.
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uh-oh, guess who's going to naked woman paintball this weekend?!
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
you know i think that the smiths magically sprang up out of the cabbage patch and heard no music whats so every. and created a totally unique sound.
oh wait a minute... morrissey was the president of the English New York Dolls fanclub. an american band i do believe.
and the Smiths sound exactly like the New York Dolls....is that what you're saying?
Moz was influenced by 60's Brit singers like Dusty Springfield more than anything else.
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Regardless of whether the Smiths had an influence on the new Pernice Brothers album, they did have an influence on his new book.
Meat is Murder by Joe Pernice will be out in October. Itâ??s part of Thirty Three and a Third, a new series of short books about critically acclaimed and much-loved albums of the past 40 years. By turns obsessive, passionate, creative, and informed, the books in this series demonstrate many different ways of writing about music, and all of the authors - musicians, scholars, broadcasters, and writers - are huge fans of the album they have chosen.
Joeâ??s words:
About a year ago I received a suspicious email from a guy at Continuum Books in New York City. He said they were putting together a series of short books about music. Each book would be about a single album, and would I be interested in writing one? I don't know if he'd read any of my press, and thus had some inside information or not, but he suggested an album by the Smiths. He suggested The Queen is Dead, but my scheming little mind had Meat is Murder in the cross hairs.
Well, I was certainly intrigued. Even a little flattered. But to be honest, I had suffered through my share of paper writing in graduate school and had spent my last drop of critical juice back in 1997. By the time I finished my graduate degree, I was so burned-out on paper writing that I actually convinced an unsuspecting professor who was a distant fan of my first two records to let me write a ten page paper (my last) on post modernism IN MY OWN MUSIC! Give me a break. I don't know who deserves the bigger throttling for that one. Probably me. No wonder the American educational system is a wreck. I still have not the slightest clue as to what post modernism is.
So a critical book on Meat is Murder was completely out. But the album was so monumental in my life, I had to pay tribute to it. I started thinking about writing a piece of fiction (to protect the innocent and guilty, plus it would be more fun) that would show just how important that record was to a nameless, scrawny, horny, American kid suffering through Catholic school in the deep South Shore of Boston. I ran the idea by my soon-to-be editor, and he went for it.
A week after the Pernice Brothers finished mixing our latest album Yours, Mine and Ours, I cleaned out a five-foot by four-foot patch of floor in a storage closet, wrestled my desk and computer in past years worth of musical equipment that is literally touching the ceiling around me, and set to it. It should be finished by the end of April. Actually, it had better be done by the end of April or I'm in breech, which is all I need. I'm just waiting for my editor to say, "You know Joe, I don't hear a hit."
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QAnd in other Pernice Brothers news:
Joe Pernice was to have married Laura Stein, the keyboard player, a few days ago.
And Bob Pernice's house burned down the other day.
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Originally posted by Celeste:
so I would say mankie NOT liking it is an indicator that it's probably good
Yes indeed...good to the under 21 age group.
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Joe Pernice was to have married Laura Stein, the keyboard player, a few days ago.
wow...that is so wonderful...I always worried about Joe a little...now I know he will be cared for
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
And Bob Pernice's house burned down the other day.
So they're a Talking Heads rip-off band.. :D
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Originally posted by mankie:
Originally posted by Celeste:
so I would say mankie NOT liking it is an indicator that it's probably good
Yes indeed...good to the under 21 age group. [/b]
you seem to be overlooking those of us between 21 and whatever age you are...40? I seriously doubt the Pernice Brothers would appeal to a member of the typical under 21 demographic, unless they had a sophisticated ear...oh wait, that's why they wouldn't appeal to you :p
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Originally posted by markie:
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
oh wait a minute... morrissey was the president of the English New York Dolls fanclub. an american band i do believe.
So from that, would you say that the smiths or any morrissey song sounds like any New York dolls song?
If no, what is your point? [/b]
my point is that maybe the smiths aren't as "english" as you make them out to be... they took influences from both english and american music and culture.
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Originally posted by Celeste:
unless they had a sophisticated ear...oh wait, that's why they wouldn't appeal to you :p
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This coming from someone who just sang the praises of the twat in the hat!
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Originally posted by markie:
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
oh wait a minute... morrissey was the president of the English New York Dolls fanclub. an american band i do believe.
So from that, would you say that the smiths or any morrissey song sounds like any New York dolls song?
If no, what is your point? [/b]
I think the point is that Morrissey likes men that dress as women.
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I'm willing to wager that the Pernice Brothers would be a lot, lot more popular if they were on a major label. They'd certainly be headlining the 9:30 CLub instead of Iota. Hell, they left Subpop (owned by Warner Brothers) to be on Joe's own label, Ashmont. That's pretty indie rock, aint it?
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
my point is that maybe the smiths aren't as "english" as you make them out to be... they took influences from both english and american music and culture.
They are as English as the Beatles, cucumber sandwiches and croquet.
Nothing in Britain is really British. Its a small island that got invaded a lot. Still some things are so quintessentially British you couldnt mistake them for anything else.
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
my point is that maybe the smiths aren't as "english" as you make them out to be... they took influences from both english and american music and culture.
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Please, give me anything from a Smiths song that relates to anything from American music or culture...Solo Moz doesn't count.
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Originally posted by mankie:
This coming from someone who just sang the praises of the twat in the hat!
I didn't exactly sing the praises...I just said, what's so bad about him...
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Originally posted by markie:
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
my point is that maybe the smiths aren't as "english" as you make them out to be... they took influences from both english and american music and culture.
They are as English as the Beatles, cucumber sandwiches and croquet.
Nothing in Britain is really British. Its a small island that got invaded a lot. Still some things are so quitessentially British you couldnt mistake them for anything else. [/b]
clearly you nothing of what influenced the early beatles and what artists they chose to cover. just because they are british doesn't mean that weren't influence by both american and english artists.
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Originally posted by markie:
Nothing in Britain is really British. Its a small island that got invaded a lot. Still some things are so quintessentially British you couldnt mistake them for anything else.
As Billy Bragg likes to say, the only thing the british really own is that little hyphen between "Anglo" and "Saxon."
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Originally posted by mankie:
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
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Please, give me anything from a Smiths song that relates to anything from American music or culture...Solo Moz doesn't count. [/b]
Paint a vulgur picture,
BPI, MTV BBC, please them, this was your life......
MTV is American.
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Originally posted by mankie:
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
my point is that maybe the smiths aren't as "english" as you make them out to be... they took influences from both english and american music and culture.
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Please, give me anything from a Smiths song that relates to anything from American music or culture...Solo Moz doesn't count. [/b]
i'll get to back to you on that one once i finish my thesis on the smiths ;) (i'm talking out my ass, something thats done well around here)
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These lyrics are about American girls.
British girls are all equally scrawny, with bad teeth. :)
Some girls are bigger than others
Some girls are bigger than others
Some girl's mothers are bigger than
Other girl's mothers
Originally posted by mankie:
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
my point is that maybe the smiths aren't as "english" as you make them out to be... they took influences from both english and american music and culture.
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Please, give me anything from a Smiths song that relates to anything from American music or culture...Solo Moz doesn't count. [/b]
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
clearly you nothing
I know fine. They loved elvis for a start. Is Croquet really an British name are cucumbers a native British plant. I would guess at no.
Please go back and read my post.
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Originally posted by markie:
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
clearly you nothing
I know fine. They loved elvis for a start. Is Croquet really an British name are cucumbers a native British plant. I would guess at no.
Please go back and read my post. [/b]
i think it's nap time...
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
These lyrics are about American girls.
British girls are all equally scrawny,
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Is your wife British?
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Originally posted by markie:
Paint a vulgur picture,
BPI, MTV BBC, please them, this was your life......
MTV is American. [/b]
Girlfriend in a coma...clearly a song about the American epidemic of domestic violence. ;)
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Originally posted by markie:
I am guessing they are not as a good as "a vicar in a tutu, he's not strange, he just wants to live his life this way"
so you like the sexually confused lyrics ok -
paraphrasing from Joe Pernice's Bum Leg - "I got this scar above my eye from the dirty little shit who tried to love me under the bridge"
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I don't see her as scrawny, I see her as just right. She has the physical strength of five scrawny women.
And I know she'd never characterize herself as scrawny.
Originally posted by markie:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
These lyrics are about American girls.
British girls are all equally scrawny,
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Is your wife British? [/b][/QUOTE]
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Originally posted by mankie:
Girlfriend in a coma...clearly a song about the American epidemic of domestic violence. ;)
Bigmouth Strikes Again is clearly about you and Markie.
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The Queen is dead....another song about an American disgrace...homophobia.
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Originally posted by Robert Pollard:
Originally posted by markie:
[qb]
"I got this scar above my eye from the dirty little shit who tried to love me under the bridge" [/b]
sounds familiar.
Under the iron bridge we kissed
And although I ended up with sore lips
It just wasn't like the old days anymore
No, it wasn't like those days
Am I still ill ?
Oh ...
Am I still ill ?
Oh ...
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Originally posted by mankie:
Girlfriend in a coma...clearly a song about the American epidemic of domestic violence. ;)
Bigmouth Strikes Again is clearly about you and Markie. [/b]
Who happen to be both Brits....sorry, not what we were looking for, thank you for playing and we have some nice parting gifts for you.
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Moz owes more to the Rat Pack than Dusty Springfield. He's a crooner and a greaser! Not some white R&B singer. Johnny Marr wouldn't have those licks if he didn't listen to rockabilly. Sure, the Smiths may not have sang about the US, but their music definitely came from over here.
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Originally posted by thirsty moore:
Moz owes more to the Rat Pack than Dusty Springfield. He's a crooner and a greaser! Not some white R&B singer. Johnny Marr wouldn't have those licks if he didn't listen to rockabilly. Sure, the Smiths may not have sang about the US, but their music definitely came from over here.
"Mr. Moore, this is office Dibble...put down the crack pipe and step away."
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from all accounts Marr listened to everything including disco, the stuff that Moz hated.
I dont think the smiths sound very rockabilly though. Musical influences have been traded across the Atlantic since the Beatles. But the smiths dont sound at all American or interested in America.
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Markie...did you know Paul Heaton was influenced by Bruce Springsteen and the Grateful Dead? ;)
Evidently Mike Scott was a huge Bon Jovi fan.
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The Smiths were the definitive British indie-rock band of the '80s, marking the end of synth-driven New Wave and the beginning of the guitar-rock that dominated English rock into the '90s. Sonically, the group was indebted to the British Invasion, crafting ringing, melodic three-minute pop singles, even for their album tracks. But their scope was far broader than that of a revivalist band. The group's core members, vocalist Morrissey and guitarist Johnny Marr, were obsessive rock fans inspired by the D.I.Y. ethics of punk, but they also had a fondness girl groups, pop and rockabilly.
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Yeh, Shakespeare's Sister -- definitely doesn't owe a thing to American music.
I thought if you had an acoustic guitar it meant that you were an American singer?
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Originally posted by markie:
Musical influences have been traded across the Atlantic since the Beatles.
and before then, even
Originally posted by markie:
But the smiths dont sound at all American or interested in America.
I agree, they are very english indeed
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Originally posted by thirsty moore:
Yeh, Shakespeare's Sister -- definitely doesn't owe a thing to American music.
I thought if you had an acoustic guitar it meant that you were an protest singer?
TOOL
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Originally posted by markie:
TOOL
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Pretty sure they're yanks (I hope anyway)
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reflecting on what started all of this i would like to add the following thoughts...
on first listen the Pernice Brothers record really grabbed my attention and stirred the soul. and as enjoy it even more with each listen.
on first listen the turin brakes record my it was a bit dull and didn't really grab my attention. it's not horrible and i can see the appeal and with a few more listens it might grow on me. it's just not as stunning as the Pernice Brothers.
will mankie have the same reation as i to either of these records? probably not because if we all had the same reaction to things it would be a dull place to exist.
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some interesting reading from the press release and liner notes written by Morrissey from the new record "Under the Influence: Morrissey"
Press Release
DMC, the company behind Back To Mine, the unparalleled compilation series that invites itself into the homes of dance musicâ??s most respected artists, is about to unleash a new series of compilations entitled Under The Influence.
Under The Influence draws on the inspirations and all time loves of the worldâ??s greatest recording artists. Legendary Smithâ??s front man Morrissey compiles the first in this unique series and his choice of material is as wildly eclectic and inspirational as one would hope for.
Morrisseyâ??s chosen artists, as he explains in his extensive and highly entertaining sleeve notes "conjure an atmosphere and a special standard because they were (or are) true pop artists. The mere sound of their names is as powerful as their work, so that we only need to hear that name in order to glide into a half-dream state".
The album kicks off with The Sundown Playboysâ?? â??Saturday Nite Specialâ??, an obscure Cajun track sung in Acadian French. Morrissey first heard the song in 1972 and despite not understanding a word of it, itâ??s curious vocal melody stayed with him. A handful of other curiosities also feature on the album from Jaybee Weston, Charlie Feathers, Nat Couty and Jimmy Radcliff, artists whom Morrissey professes to knowing little about but "the happiness these songs give me seems now to be everlasting â?? even if this is music played with a lop-sided grinâ?¦"
A teenage obsession with The New York Dolls prompts the inclusion of â??Trashâ?? as track two. To 13 year old Morrissey, The New York Dolls "meant one thing: trouble" and â??Trashâ?? he recalls reminds him "of â??All Grown Upâ?? by The Crystals, and of John Garfieldâ??s far-away gaze in the film â??Saturdayâ??s Childrenâ?? (1940)." It was "a fantastic achievement for five boys who otherwise would have ended up in hotel catering, or amongst the heroined dead". Additional te enfaves T Rex â?? "the sound of late 1960â??s Nottinghill bed sits" - and Sparks also feature contributing 'Great Horse' and 'Arts And Crafts Spectacular' respectively.
Nico, whose "voice equaled the sound of a body being thrown out of a window â?? entirely without hope, of this world, or the next or the previous" caught Morrissey attention early on, with â??All That Is My Ownâ?? the designated track here. Making up the albums remaining female contingent are Patti Smith with her debut release 'Hey Joe', Diana Dors â??So Little Timeâ?? and â??Breaking The Rulesâ?? by Ludus. Bringing the album to a close is a prophetic 'Death' from Klaus Nomi.
1. THE SUNDOWN PLAYBOYS â?? Saturday Nite Special
2. THE NEW YORK DOLLS â?? Trash
3. NAT COUTY â?? Woodpecker Rock
4. DIANA DORS â?? So Little Time
5. LUDUS â?? Breaking The R ules
6. CHARLIE FEATHERS â?? One Hand Loose
7. TYRANNOSAURUS REX â?? Great Horse
8. J IMMY RADCLIFF â?? (There Goes ) The Forgotten Man
9. JAYB EE WASDEN â?? De Castrow
10. RAMONES â?? Judy Is A Punk
11. S PAR KS â?? Arts And Crafts Spectacular
12. THE CATS â?? Swan Lake
13. NICO â?? All That Is My Own
14. PATTI SMITH â?? Hey Joe
15. KLAUS NOMI â?? Death
Morrissey's Liner Notes (http://www.debaser.org/morrissey/sleevenotes.html)
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So I went in B&N on Saturday to give a listen to the Pernice brothers....I hear a heavy Natalie Merchant/Sixpence none the richer influence in their work... ;) Not really, It's not bad, but something I would probably get bored of in a short time. They reminded me of Thunderclap Newman/Tremoloes, which isn't a put down by the way. If I ever see one of their albums in a used cd place I'd probably pick it up, but it's not a $17 investment for me.
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Originally posted by mankie:
So I went in B&N on Saturday to give a listen to the Pernice brothers....I hear a heavy Natalie Merchant/Sixpence none the richer influence in their work... ;) Not really, It's not bad, but something I would probably get bored of in a short time. They reminded me of Thunderclap Newman/Tremoloes, which isn't a put down by the way. If I ever see one of their albums in a used cd place I'd probably pick it up, but it's not a $17 investment for me.
you didnt listen to Turin Brakes by chance did you?
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Originally posted by Robert Pollard:
you didnt listen to Turin Brakes by chance did you? [/b]
I didn't but only because I couldn't remember the bloody name!
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I picked up their previous effort for a buck at CD Game Exchange. I don't know who the idiot is that prices such great aibums for a buck, but I won't complain.
Originally posted by mankie:
So I went in B&N on Saturday to give a listen to the Pernice brothers....I hear a heavy Natalie Merchant/Sixpence none the richer influence in their work... ;) Not really, It's not bad, but something I would probably get bored of in a short time. They reminded me of Thunderclap Newman/Tremoloes, which isn't a put down by the way. If I ever see one of their albums in a used cd place I'd probably pick it up, but it's not a $17 investment for me.
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Oh I wont say I told you so, Oh fuck it, I will.
NAH, Nah,ner nah. I told you so.
shame you didnt listen to Turin Brakes to say they just sounded like space.
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Originally posted by mankie:
the Pernice brothers....not bad, but something I would probably get bored of in a short time
probably more of a commentary on your attention span than the music ;)
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Originally posted by Celeste:
Originally posted by mankie:
the Pernice brothers....not bad, but something I would probably get bored of in a short time
probably more of a commentary on your attention span than the music ;) [/b]
I love you too honey! ;)
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The tyde live on KEXP right now.
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They weren't too bad. I'm not crazy about the singer's voice. Definitely not in the same league as the Pernice Brothers. The drummer is also in Velvet Crush, which is cool.
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
They weren't too bad. I'm not crazy about the singer's voice. Definitely not in the same league as the Pernice Brothers. The drummer is also in Velvet Crush, which is cool.
well i'll have to check em when they play with nada surf... ric is the cool drummer dude
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Pernice Brothers are playing Asheville, NC on 9/16 and baltimore 9/18 and in VT on 9/20
which leaves 9/17 and 9/19. since 9/17 is open mike at iota, and 9/19 is booked, iota is out.
one can now only hope the black cat books them.
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Pernice Brothers are playing Asheville, NC on 9/16 and baltimore 9/18 and in VT on 9/20
which leaves 9/17 and 9/19. since 9/17 is open mike at iota, and 9/19 is booked, iota is out.
one can now only hope the black cat books them.
9/17 Pernice Bros. in Charlottesville and 9/19 in Brooklyn. Looks like you gonna have to drive to Charm City or Charlottesville.
Speaking of Charm City, what happened to the World's Largest Trash Can?
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Got an email from them the other day saying the will be doing another European tour in Oct/Nov and then touring the states again in Nov/Dec. So no doubt they will be back in Dec.
Still, the Baltimore show may be worth it because Peter Bruntnell is opening. I think it's his first tour of the States.
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Got this from a big fan: Oddly enough, this was a hugely disappointing show.
OK, so Joe and the gang were jetlagged from a flight from Ireland, so I
wasn't expecting flying leg splits or anything. In fact, I thought it
might lead to a bit of humorous dialogue from Joe about how out of it
he
felt or something. Hell, this was apparently part of his honeymoon
(?), so
I figured he'd have something funny to say during the show.
But, what happened was...there were maybe 40-50 people at the venue,
and
their openers, our very own Kahoots, put on possibly the best set of
their
~ 4 year career (they're generally just a pretty good indy rock band by
any
kind of national standards). Despite the jetlag, the P'Bros. seemed OK
before the show...Kathy and I cornered Peyton Pinkerton and Thom
Monahan. Peyton insisted on buying me a drink when he found out I was
a
New Radiant Storm King fan (aside to NRSK fans--new album being
recorded as
we speak!!). *Really* nice guy. OK, this is starting out good.
By the time they took the stage, apparently, Joe (and maybe Thom) were
completely bummed at the size of the crowd, since they basically
skulked
onto the stage and had practically *nothing* to say to the audience for
their entire ~ 50 minute set (aside to Todd R: yep, no 2 hour show
here). The only one of them who seemed "on" was the drummer
replacement
fella--and like I said, that would be OK given the jetlag and that, but
Joe
did *nothing* to try to draw in the crowd. They couldn't *wait* to get
offstage. Those of us who knew *any* of the tunes were calling them
out,
going fekkin' nuts trying to inject some energy into the band
and...nothing. Anybody who didn't know the band ended up against the
back
wall and bar asking themselves, 'what do those people up front see in
this
band'? I think just having rocked out to Kahoots unexpectedly stellar
set
may have left them exceptionally nonplussed.
After the show (no encore offered nor sought), I tried to catch the
band
and say "thanks for coming to the Vineyard", and I got nothing but a
surly
look from Joe.
Not sure what they wanted--this was an OK crowd for a Wednesday night
on
the Vineyard. Had they put out a gossamer/rockin' set, they would have
gained a number of newbie converted fans for life (the Oranges Band had
quite a few converts here last month). As for its size, in the cold
light
of day, this was maybe only ~ 30 ppl less than the crowd at the
Paradise in
Boston a month ago, when the band was *on* despite lack of Laura Stein
and
drummer and Bob Pernice, just like last Wednesday. Back then, notably,
Joe
was particularly engaging and charismatic and very funny between songs.
Even for the Paradise show, though, it wasn't quite as energized as I'd
have expected. Maybe the replacement players had something to do with
it
(although the drummer and the keyboard/guitar guy I thought played
excellently). Or maybe this just isn't that good a live band. Look, I
*love* them basically especially recorded--nothing has shaken my
opinion in
*The World Won't End* being the best record of 2001, and *Yours Mine
and
Ours* is going to score very high in my best of this year--but if
they're
trying to consolidate a large indy following with their touring, I
don't
know that they have the energy and intangibles to pull it off.
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Whatever.
Their show at Iota a couple of months ago was one of the best of the year. Period.
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Whatever.
Their show at Iota a couple of months ago was one of the best of the year. Period.
I just thought i'd rattle your chain.you've been quiet today.It was a real e-mail though :p
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Still, the Baltimore show may be worth it because Peter Bruntnell is opening. I think it's his first tour of the States.
Same night as BRMC here in DC. Considering it's a Monday night, I'll bet Baltimore seems far away to me then.
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Originally posted by bags:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Still, the Baltimore show may be worth it because Peter Bruntnell is opening. I think it's his first tour of the States.
Same night as BRMC here in DC. Considering it's a Monday night, I'll bet Baltimore seems far away to me then. [/b]
BRMC are on a Thursday the 18th.
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Well I'm glad they've been "on" when I've seen them.
Busy with actual work these days, I'm afraid.
Originally posted by SPARX:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Whatever.
Their show at Iota a couple of months ago was one of the best of the year. Period.
I just thought i'd rattle your chain.you've been quiet today.It was a real e-mail though :p [/b]
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Ah, cool. That means a lot less tendy hipsters to contend with at the PB show, and maybe less of a chance of it selling out in advance.
Originally posted by bags:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Still, the Baltimore show may be worth it because Peter Bruntnell is opening. I think it's his first tour of the States.
Same night as BRMC here in DC. Considering it's a Monday night, I'll bet Baltimore seems far away to me then. [/b]
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
[QB] Ah, cool. That means there'll only be the trendy hipsters at the PB show, and maybe less of a chance of it selling out in advance.
oh absolutely, I'm certain of that!
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Oh come on now, Mank, which band has more of a "trendy hipster" quotient going?
one called "the Pernice Brothers"
or one called "Black Rebel Motorcycle Club"
Just like "Brian Jonestown Massacre" I would refuse to listen to them based on dumb band name alone.
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Just like "Brian Jonestown Massacre" I would refuse to listen to them based on dumb band name alone.
did anyone say closed minded? I think that is the best name ever.
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Originally posted by SPARX:
Originally posted by bags:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
[qb] [/b]
BRMC are on a Thursday the 18th. [/b]
WHOOPS, I'm getting August and September confused. But Pernice Bros. and BRMC are on the same night, right?
Guess I'll keep my trendy indie ass out of Rhett's way (by the way, this rendy indie ass just bought "The Instigator" today).
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Originally posted by bags:
rendy indie
Is that a new term? Or how scoobie says "wendy?"
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Oh come on now, Mank, which band has more of a "trendy hipster" quotient going?
one called "the Pernice Brothers"
or one called "Black Rebel Motorcycle Club"
Just like "Brian Jonestown Massacre" I would refuse to listen to them based on dumb band name alone.
Come on Rhett, you know I have to have a go at you...especially on a quiet Friday afternoon.
I saw BRMC (twice) before they were known by almost ANYBODY...does that make me ultra, ultra cool and trendy?
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Originally posted by mankie:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
[qb] does that make me ultra, ultra cool and trendy? [/b]
could we ever have doubted it?
where did you see them? Iota, once?
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Where and when did you see them? Seems like nobody on the board saw them when they played Iota? If you saw them play 9:30 Club as a headliner, I would call them a trendy band by that point.
Originally posted by mankie:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Oh come on now, Mank, which band has more of a "trendy hipster" quotient going?
one called "the Pernice Brothers"
or one called "Black Rebel Motorcycle Club"
Just like "Brian Jonestown Massacre" I would refuse to listen to them based on dumb band name alone.
Come on Rhett, you know I have to have a go at you...especially on a quiet Friday afternoon.
I saw BRMC (twice) before they were known by almost ANYBODY...does that make me ultra, ultra cool and trendy? [/b]
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Where and when did you see them? Seems like nobody on the board saw them when they played Iota? If you saw them play 9:30 Club as a headliner, I would call them a trendy band by that point.
they have not headlined the 930 yet.
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Originally posted by Anton Newcombe:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Where and when did you see them? Seems like nobody on the board saw them when they played Iota? If you saw them play 9:30 Club as a headliner, I would call them a trendy band by that point.
they have not headlined the 930 yet. [/b]
They were support band at 930 for some other band that I can't remember, and I saw them support another band one time but not at 930, I keep thinking Morrissey but that could've been Gallon Drunk....memory is totally shot at this point I'm afraid, and not because of age or drugs...just one rugby game to many!
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Originally posted by Anton Newcombe:
Originally posted by bags:
rendy indie
Is that a new term? Or how scoobie says "wendy?" [/b]
Yeah, it's new. Like 'deck' -- maybe I'll tell you what it means sometime.
:p
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aCCORDING TO THEIR website, they have opened for Charlatans at 9:30, an coheadlined with Spiritualized.
Interestingly, they also toured in support of Dandy Warhols. Should've guessed that much.
Originally posted by mankie:
Originally posted by Anton Newcombe:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Where and when did you see them? Seems like nobody on the board saw them when they played Iota? If you saw them play 9:30 Club as a headliner, I would call them a trendy band by that point.
they have not headlined the 930 yet. [/b]
They were support band at 930 for some other band that I can't remember, and I saw them support another band one time but not at 930, I keep thinking Morrissey but that could've been Gallon Drunk....memory is totally shot at this point I'm afraid, and not because of age or drugs...just one rugby game to many! [/b]
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Originally posted by mankie:
They were support band at 930 for some other band that I can't remember,
The Murder City Devils.
That was a great rock'n roll show. MCD stopped playing and stormed off the stage early in their set because some "friend" of their's was kicked out of the club.
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I dont remember them supporting the charlatans at the club. Their show with spiritualized was fantastic.
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I think they also opened for the Waterboys -- which would explain Mankie's presence.
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Weren't they BOTH in support of Charlatans, or did i read their site wrong?
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Originally posted by mankie:
They were support band at 930 for some other band that I can't remember,
The Murder City Devils.
That was a great rock'n roll show. MCD stopped playing and stormed off the stage early in their set because some "friend" of their's was kicked out of the club. [/b]
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Weren't they BOTH in support of Charlatans, or did i read their site wrong?
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Originally posted by mankie:
They were support band at 930 for some other band that I can't remember,
The Murder City Devils.
That was a great rock'n roll show. MCD stopped playing and stormed off the stage early in their set because some "friend" of their's was kicked out of the club. [/b]
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Murder City Devils were definitely the headliners. Charlatans had nothing to do with that show.
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I dont know who MCD are. And I pay attention to Charlatans support bands........
I have seen all the Charlatans shows at 9.30 in the last four and a half years. there were 2 right?
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according to their tour history, 2001
Supporting Charlatans UK
July 24 - El Rey Theater, Los Angeles, CA
July 25 - Vinyl, Los Angeles, CA
July 30 - Metro, Chicago, IL
August 01 - Bowery Ballroom, New York, NY
August 03 - The Saint, Asbury, NY
August 04 - Maxwells, Hoboken, NJ
August 07 - Iron Horse Music Hall, Northhampton, MA
August 08 - Met Cafe, Providence, MA
August 09 - Mercury Lounge, New York, NY
August 10 - Making Time, Philadelphia, PA
August 11 - Boston, MA * TT The Bears
August 14 - 9:30 Club, Washington, DC (with Murder City Devils)
August 15 - Grog Shop, Cleveland, OH
August 16 - Gold Dollar, Detroit, MI
August 17 - Double Door, Chicago, IL
August 18 - First Avenue, Minneapolis, MN
August 21 - Blueberry Hill, Saint Louis, OH
August 22 - Hurricane, Kansas City, KS
August 23 - Green Door, Oklahoma City, OK
August 24 - Clearview, Dallas, TX
August 25 - Emos, Austin, TX
August 28 - Launch Pad, Albuquerque, NM (with Mudhoney)
August 29 - Mason Jar, Phoenix, AZ
August 30 - Casbah, San Diego, CA
August 31 - Glasshouse, Pomona, CA
September 08 - New York, Parkside Lounge
September 09 - New York, NY * Bowery Ballroom (HBO Reverb)
September 13 - Atlantic Connection, Oak Bluffs, MV
September 19 - Newberry Comics, Boston, MA
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BRMC played Iota in May 2001 and then opened for Murder City Devils (I think it was labeled as a co-headlining tour, w/ BRMC opening that night at least). Good show. Whatever Happened to My Rock and Roll definitely the highlight. Couldn't have been even half full for BRMC. One of those shows where you can just sort of walk up in front of the stage. I left before MCD, not realizing it would be a somewhat legendary show. Looking forward to seeing them in September, assumedly with a packed-house and more hype.
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BRMC=Virgin Records. I don't think that's all that "indie".
Originally posted by bags:
Originally posted by SPARX:
Originally posted by bags:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
[qb] [/b]
BRMC are on a Thursday the 18th. [/b]
WHOOPS, I'm getting August and September confused. But Pernice Bros. and BRMC are on the same night, right?
Guess I'll keep my trendy indie ass out of Rhett's way (by the way, this rendy indie ass just bought "The Instigator" today). [/b]
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god, Rhett, you *are* uptight. I was responding to your jibe that thankfully the BRMC show will siphon off all the trendy -- okay, you said hipsters, not indie -- from the Pernice Bros. show. We need to get rid of some of this literalism on these boards, folks!
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
BRMC=Virgin Records. I don't think that's all that "indie".
Originally posted by bags:
Originally posted by SPARX:
Originally posted by bags:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
[qb] [/b]
BRMC are on a Thursday the 18th. [/b]
WHOOPS, I'm getting August and September confused. But Pernice Bros. and BRMC are on the same night, right?
Guess I'll keep my trendy indie ass out of Rhett's way (by the way, this rendy indie ass just bought "The Instigator" today). [/b]
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
according to their tour history, 2001
You missed a couple from 2001:
Supporting Waterboys
March 20 - 9:30 Club, Washington, DC
With Support From The Warlocks
UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED
September 20 - North Six, Brooklyn, NY
September 21 - Court Tavern, New Brunswick, NJ
September 22 - Fletchers, Baltimore, MD
September 23 - TLA, Philadelphia, PA
September 25 - Black Cat, Washington, DC
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Then I saw them support the Charlatans and Waterboys....can I still be ultra cool please?
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per official website Charlatans 9:30 club tour dates
17.06.97 Washington DC 9:30 Club (no support listed)
10.04.00 Washington 9:30 Club w/Stereophonics
no DC date in 2001
30.01.02 Washington 9:30 Club w/Starsailor
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
10.04.00 Washington 9:30 Club w/Stereophonics
no DC date in 2001
30.01.02 Washington 9:30 Club w/Starsailor
Well they are the two charlatans shows I remember, both supports went on to become bigger than the charlatans.....
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Originally posted by mankie:
They were support band at 930 for some other band that I can't remember, and I saw them support another band one time but not at 930, I keep thinking Morrissey but that could've been Gallon Drunk....memory is totally shot at this point I'm afraid, and not because of age or drugs...just one rugby game to many! [/QB]
gallon drunk. . oh god. they opened for morrissey in 1991.
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
Originally posted by mankie:
They were support band at 930 for some other band that I can't remember, and I saw them support another band one time but not at 930, I keep thinking Morrissey but that could've been Gallon Drunk....memory is totally shot at this point I'm afraid, and not because of age or drugs...just one rugby game to many! [/b]
gallon drunk. . oh god. they opened for morrissey in 1991. [/QB]
At Merriweather...WEATHER being the operative word if I remember, the heavens opened that night, but did the Moz cancel like some band of college puke mummy's boys did? NO! He did get really pissed off at the bouncers though when they started throwing the markies off the stage who were trying to hug and present him with flowers.