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Title: Oct monster tours for MoveOn.Org
Post by: Bags on August 04, 2004, 02:20:00 pm
It's really quite amazing -- there are four tours, October 1 - October 8 -- schedule with cities, dates  here (http://www.moveonpac.org/vfc/schedule.html):
 
 REM/Bruce Springsteen/John Fogerty/Bright Eyes
 
 Pearl Jam/Death Cab for Cutie
 
 Dave Matthews Band / Jurassic 5 / My Morning Jacket
 
 Dixie Chicks / James Taylor
 
 http://www.act04.com (http://www.act04.com)
 http://www.moveonpac.org (http://www.moveonpac.org)
 
 Tour Information
 MoveOn PAC is excited to announce the Vote for Change concert tour. Vote for Change is a loose coalition of musicians brought together by a single idea â?? the need to make a change in the direction of our country. We share a belief that this is the most important election of our lifetime. We are fighting for a government that is open, rational, just and progressive.
 
 "We have an opportunity to change the direction our country is headed and to elect a government that is just, rational and respectful of the views and rights of the people it serves," said Stone Gossard of Pearl Jam.
 
 Artists participating in Vote for Change have merged their energies and talents to focus on states that are expected to have the closest race in the presidential election this fall. This unprecedented effort will include approximately 40 shows in 30 cities in 9 battleground states over the course of 10 days.
 
 These concerts will feature Babyface, Jackson Browne, Dave Matthews Band, Death Cab for Cutie, the Dixie Chicks, Ben Harper, Jurassic 5, John Mellencamp, My Morning Jacket, Pearl Jam, Bonnie Raitt, R.E.M., James Taylor, Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band and more. These and other artists will appear on separate bills on the same night in selected cities around several battleground states. Vote for Change artists hope to accomplish a single goal through the tour: to get people to the polls on November 2nd to vote for a change.
 
 The Vote for Change tour will be presented by MoveOn PAC, with all concert proceeds benefiting the work of America Coming Together (ACT).
 
 
 Pearl Jam
 Bruce Springsteen
 R.E.M.
 Dave Matthews Band
 Jurassic 5
 Dixie Chicks
 Death Cab for Cutie
 James Taylor
 Ben Harper
 My Morning Jacket
 Jackson Browne
 Bonnie Raitt
 John Fogerty
 Keb' Mo'
 Bright Eyes
 John Mellencamp
 Kenny "Babyface" Edmonds
Title: Re: Oct monster tours for MoveOn.Org
Post by: Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer on August 04, 2004, 02:23:00 pm
why no DC dates?
Title: Re: Oct monster tours for MoveOn.Org
Post by: jkeisenh on August 04, 2004, 02:25:00 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  why no DC dates?
"swing states"
 dude, dc's not even a state!
Title: Re: Oct monster tours for MoveOn.Org
Post by: Bags on August 04, 2004, 02:25:00 pm
Again, you mock.  Not only are we not a swing state, we're not a friggin' state.  And I guess 'Ginnie and Marry-land aren't either...
 
 PS, I just saw that this was also listed in "Just Announced" -- I'd seen it in Phish thread and thought it should at least be outta there....
Title: Re: Oct monster tours for MoveOn.Org
Post by: Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer on August 04, 2004, 02:31:00 pm
Isn't "stone gossard" one of the most retarded jock names of all time?
Title: Re: Oct monster tours for MoveOn.Org
Post by: Santos L. Halper on August 04, 2004, 02:40:00 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  Isn't "stone gossard" one of the most retarded jock names of all time?
Perhaps, although his physical appearance might debunk that.  Now 'Max Power', that's a name.
Title: Re: Oct monster tours for MoveOn.Org
Post by: Bags on August 04, 2004, 02:49:00 pm
How about Joe Power.  That's a guy I work with, in the electric industry, no less!  (People think it's a joke and not really his name...)
Title: Re: Oct monster tours for MoveOn.Org
Post by: Random Citizen on August 04, 2004, 06:43:00 pm
Brooooooce will be on ABC's Nightline (http://abcnews.go.com/Sections/Nightline/) tonight discussing the concerts tonight.
Title: Re: Oct monster tours for MoveOn.Org
Post by: palahniukkubrick on August 05, 2004, 04:45:00 pm
Quote
Originally posted by chimbly sweep:
   
Quote
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  why no DC dates?
"swing states"
 dude, dc's not even a state! [/b]
i thought d.c. was pretty swingin'.   :)
Title: Re: Oct monster tours for MoveOn.Org
Post by: grotty on August 19, 2004, 10:22:00 am
I just snagged 2 good tix in the first floor section for the pearl jam/dcfc show in Toledo.
 
 I realize nobody on here really cares much for PJ...but I do...Should be a grand old Bush bashing event.
 
 Fan clubs actually can be cool sometimes.
Title: Re: Oct monster tours for MoveOn.Org
Post by: Random Citizen on August 19, 2004, 10:25:00 am
Related...
 
 From Yo La Tengo's site (http://www.yolatengo.com):
 
 
Quote
Sept - Oct: tour of swing states to try and help John Kerry get elected
 
 The format of the show is still being worked on, and may actually be worked on until the moment it starts. But our plan/hope is to have guest musicians, singers and comedians at all the shows. If all works out, then there will be no opening act, but just a single performance during which people will come and go from the stage, playing on each others songs, etc. In this relatively informal setting, we will offer our thoughts on the election (and trust our comedian friends to do so as well, only more entertainingly).
 
 * Sept 21 Philly, PA 1st Unitarian Church
 * Sept 22 Pittsburgh, PA Mr. Small's Theatre
 * Sept 23 State College, PA Dark Horse Tavern
 * Sept 24 Newport, KY Southgate House
 * Sept 25 Cleveland, OH Grog Shop
 * Sept 26 Off
 * Sept 27 Ann Arbor, MI Blind Pig
 * Sept 28 Grand Rapids, MI The Intersection...
 * Sept 29 Madison, WI U Of Wisconsin Terrace
 * Sept 30 Iowa City, IA U Of Iowa (Wheel Room)
 * Oct 01 Ames, IA Maintenance Shop
 * Oct 02 Kansas City, MO Grand Emporium
 * Oct 03 Off
 * Oct 04 St Louis, MO Washington University/Gargoyle Club
 * Oct 05 Nashville, TN Mercy Lounge
 * Oct 06 Off
 * Oct 07 Knoxville, TN Blue Cat's
 * Oct 08 Charlotte, NC Visulite Theatre
 * Oct 09 Asheville, NC Orange Peel
 * Oct 10 Chapel Hill, NC Cat's Cradle
 
Title: Re: Oct monster tours for MoveOn.Org
Post by: grotty on August 19, 2004, 10:27:00 am
Quote
Originally posted by Random Citizen:
  Related...
 
 
 * Sept 22 Pittsburgh, PA Mr. Small's Theatre
 
A sweet new venue in town - A converted old catholic church.
 
 It'll be even better once they get their liquor license. For now it's $5 a cup - then all the beer you want until it's gone. Maybe that's not such a bad thing afterall.   :D   (see 9:30's beer prices)
Title: Re: Oct monster tours for MoveOn.Org
Post by: kosmo vinyl on August 19, 2004, 10:29:00 am
Quote
Originally posted by grotty:
  I just snagged 2 good tix in the first floor section for the pearl jam/dcfc show in Toledo.
 
 I realize nobody on here really cares much for PJ...but I do...Should be a grand old Bush bashing event.
 
 Fan clubs actually can be cool sometimes.
I got back corner in Reading... Got thrown by all the contribution bullshite required to get the tickets.  luckily kosmette isn't a federal contractor.
Title: Re: Oct monster tours for MoveOn.Org
Post by: grotty on August 19, 2004, 10:34:00 am
Quote
Originally posted by grotty:
 
 I realize nobody on here really cares much for PJ...
other than me & kosmo!  ;)  
 
 wonder how long it'll take for the REALLY good tix to pop up on ebay...hmmm...
Title: Re: Oct monster tours for MoveOn.Org
Post by: eros on August 19, 2004, 10:54:00 am
Quote
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
  luckily kosmette isn't a federal contractor.
As a fellow contractor, I checked around before contributing and found that employees of contracting firms are allowed to donate to campaigns.  Only if you are a consultant or own the business are you barred from contributing.
 
 Page 6 (http://www.fec.gov/pdf/citizen_guide_pub.pdf)
Title: Re: Oct monster tours for MoveOn.Org
Post by: tooms on August 19, 2004, 11:02:00 am
I got thrown by the filling out the employer stuff also for the PJ Reading show and ended up in the back corner also.  it delayed me about 45 seconds and that was probably enough to end up in the back.  still, pretty good seats and the place looks small for an arena.
Title: Re: Oct monster tours for MoveOn.Org
Post by: kosmo vinyl on August 19, 2004, 11:03:00 am
Quote
Originally posted by eros:
   
Quote
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
  luckily kosmette isn't a federal contractor.
As a fellow contractor, I checked around before contributing and found that employees of contracting firms are allowed to donate to campaigns.  Only if you are a consultant or own the business are you barred from contributing.
 
 Page 6 (http://www.fec.gov/pdf/citizen_guide_pub.pdf) [/b]
Thanks!  after thinking about it with Kosmette, this is what we figured...  But in the rush of trying to buy tickets that statement really threw me especially if they could take me tickets away if i lied or something   :(
Title: Re: Oct monster tours for MoveOn.Org
Post by: kosmo vinyl on August 19, 2004, 11:13:00 am
Quote
Originally posted by tooms:
  I got thrown by the filling out the employer stuff also for the PJ Reading show and ended up in the back corner also.  it delayed me about 45 seconds and that was probably enough to end up in the back.  still, pretty good seats and the place looks small for an arena.
it's also possible only certain section of the arena were open to fanclub members.  from what i can figure out the arena holds about 9000 for shows.  of course i prefer the method of fanclub tickets based on seniority and my number seems to be pretty low these days.
Title: Re: Oct monster tours for MoveOn.Org
Post by: Bags on August 19, 2004, 11:31:00 am
Quote
Originally posted by grotty:
 I realize nobody on here really cares much for PJ...
Not true...I want to go to Reading, but am not in the fan club so am likely screwed.  The two friends I know going are, so they got tickets but I'm not a big enough fan to go and sit by myself...
Title: Re: Oct monster tours for MoveOn.Org
Post by: bellenseb on August 19, 2004, 12:12:00 pm
Has anyone gotten an email after signing up for the "pre-sale" on the official tour page? I'd really like to go to the Bruce show in Philly.
 
 The only thing I've gotten is a Dixie Chicks promo of some sort...
Title: Re: Oct monster tours for MoveOn.Org
Post by: Bags on August 19, 2004, 12:14:00 pm
Apparently the Moveon presale for Bruce is already over.
 
 Moveon for PJ is tomorrow, as the fan club sale was today.
 
 I should get an email from Moveon, but haven't.
Title: Re: Oct monster tours for MoveOn.Org
Post by: Bombay Chutney on August 19, 2004, 12:17:00 pm
I've heard (friend of a friend of a friend of a ...) that they started sending the emails last night. I don't know of anyone that actually received one yet though.
 
 -edit-
 
 that was referring to the Bruce/REM presale, so Bags may be right.
Title: Re: Oct monster tours for MoveOn.Org
Post by: Santos L. Halper on August 19, 2004, 12:20:00 pm
Snagged 11th row for PJ/DCFC in Reading, although I may have gotten closer had I noticed the occupation deal at the bottom of that stupid blurry word page.
Title: Re: Oct monster tours for MoveOn.Org
Post by: Bombay Chutney on August 19, 2004, 12:33:00 pm
So what's the deal with this contractor/employment restriction?  What does it say?
Title: Re: Oct monster tours for MoveOn.Org
Post by: kosmo vinyl on August 19, 2004, 12:33:00 pm
there is also some kind of ticket lottery going on for the bruce show being held... did moveon have to give preference to those in swing state for tickets? who the hell knows i'm for reading and unlike several people at the pj forum can't complain about my seats i still get to see them.  i'd like to see the bruce at cobo hall show, it's about the size of the balwmer arena.
Title: Re: Oct monster tours for MoveOn.Org
Post by: xcanuck on August 19, 2004, 12:36:00 pm
We picked up 5th row floors for Reading (on McCready's side of the stage). Also picked up rear floors for Reading. Thank goodness for the 10 Club.
 
 By the way, moveon.org's presale is tomorrow but you had to get a password from moveon. They've already been sent out and each person has a unique password. It's a cool way to make sure that passwords don't get distributed too much.
 
 General onsale is Sat morning.
 
 I loved the first two Pearl Jam CDs and liked the third one. After that, I'm luck if I can pick out one or two songs I really like. But their live shows still are some of the best I've ever seen.
 
 I'm surprised no one's stoked about seeing Death Cab for Cutie. I'm more excited about DCfC than I am for PJ.
Title: Re: Oct monster tours for MoveOn.Org
Post by: kosmo vinyl on August 19, 2004, 12:38:00 pm
this what you had to agree to buy tickets...
 
 By checking this box you represent and warrant that:
      
 
     * You are a United States citizen or permanent resident alien.
 
     * You are making this contribution from your own funds, and not from funds of another.
 
     * You are making this contribution on behalf of yourself as an individual, and not on behalf of a corporation, labor union, federal contractor, bank or other party.
 
     * You are not a federal contractor.
 
     * You are making this contribution on your own personal credit card, and not with a corporate credit card or with a credit card issued to anyone else.
 
     * You are at least 18 years of age.
 
 
 and as eros points out it only applies if you the company, consultant, directly acting as a federal contractor.  employees of contracting firms are allowed to donate...
Title: Re: Oct monster tours for MoveOn.Org
Post by: kosmo vinyl on August 19, 2004, 12:40:00 pm
i'm pyched about the whole show in general  :D
Title: Re: Oct monster tours for MoveOn.Org
Post by: bellenseb on August 19, 2004, 12:43:00 pm
I didn't get a password, so I guess I'm out of luck. Tickets for the Philly show are already going for $1300 on ebay. How much did moveon charge?
Title: Re: Oct monster tours for MoveOn.Org
Post by: Bags on August 19, 2004, 01:55:00 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Bombay Chutney:
  I've heard (friend of a friend of a friend of a ...) that they started sending the emails last night. I don't know of anyone that actually received one yet though.
 
 -edit-
 
 that was referring to the Bruce/REM presale, so Bags may be right.
I have a friend who got the Moveon presale email, and it was for today at 10:00 a.m. (for Bruce, tomorrow for PJ) -- but she wasn't interested in using it for Bruce and got it to another friend too late to use.  Presale was sold out by the time he got it sometime this morning...
Title: Re: Oct monster tours for MoveOn.Org
Post by: Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer on August 19, 2004, 02:02:00 pm
if it weren't for all you god damned democrats around here, DC would be getting some of these shows.
Title: Re: Oct monster tours for MoveOn.Org
Post by: Bags on August 19, 2004, 02:06:00 pm
Isn't Virginia a conservative state?  DC would never get a show; we don't vote.  It's those liberal Marylanders....
 
 So how much were tickets?
Title: Re: Oct monster tours for MoveOn.Org
Post by: Herr Professor Doktor Doom on August 19, 2004, 02:09:00 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Bagalicious Tangster:
  Isn't Virginia a conservative state?
virginia is not for lovers!
Title: Re: Oct monster tours for MoveOn.Org
Post by: Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer on August 19, 2004, 02:14:00 pm
they'd probably have to have the show at the roanoke civic center or something, not NoVA.
 
 
Quote
Originally posted by Bagalicious Tangster:
  Isn't Virginia a conservative state?  DC would never get a show; we don't vote.  It's those liberal Marylanders....
 
 So how much were tickets?
Title: Re: Oct monster tours for MoveOn.Org
Post by: Bombay Chutney on August 19, 2004, 02:59:00 pm
Thanks for the explanation, kosmo.
Title: Re: Oct monster tours for MoveOn.Org
Post by: Venerable Bede on August 19, 2004, 03:04:00 pm
i was talking with the wallflower about all this moveon.org hoo-hah and he told me that just about everything they've done this year is illegal under campaign finance law, but no one seems to care to do anything about it.
Title: Re: Oct monster tours for MoveOn.Org
Post by: Bags on August 19, 2004, 03:24:00 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
  i was talking with the wallflower about all this moveon.org hoo-hah and he told me that just about everything they've done this year is illegal under campaign finance law, but no one seems to care to do anything about it.
I find that VERY hard to believe.  As if the GOP machine can't handle it, somehow.  They'd be all over infractions like grass stains on a prom dress...
Title: Re: Oct monster tours for MoveOn.Org
Post by: mustourdman on August 19, 2004, 03:26:00 pm
I had a MoveOn.org password and got "pre-selected for the pre-sale" for the 10/1 Bruce/REM/Bright Eyes show in Philly... I logged on at 10 am this morning through their website, OK'd the disclosure  conditions, requested my two tix ($78.50 + $6 in service charges each), got two "page busy" warnings, and on my third try (somewhere around 10:01:30 if you're keeping score) was told that there were no more tickets left.
 
 I kept trying until about 10:15, maybe 20 times in all, but no luck.
 
 I probably won't try for the Pearl Jam/Death Cab for Cutie show in Reading, which has its pre-sale tomorrow (8/20) at 10... if anyone wants my MoveOn pass, let me know. Can't say you'll have better luck, but it might be worth a try.
Title: Re: Oct monster tours for MoveOn.Org
Post by: ggw on August 19, 2004, 03:34:00 pm
They do get a hell of a lot of money from foreigners  (I've seen figures as high as 40% cited), but I believe that is because the campaign finance laws overlooked the fact that 527s would attract a lot of foreign money.  It's a legal loophole.
 
   
Quote
Originally posted by Bagalicious Tangster:
   
Quote
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
  i was talking with the wallflower about all this moveon.org hoo-hah and he told me that just about everything they've done this year is illegal under campaign finance law, but no one seems to care to do anything about it.
I find that VERY hard to believe.  As if the GOP machine can't handle it, somehow.  They'd be all over infractions like grass stains on a prom dress... [/b]
Title: Re: Oct monster tours for MoveOn.Org
Post by: Venerable Bede on August 19, 2004, 03:56:00 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Bagalicious Tangster:
   
Quote
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
  i was talking with the wallflower about all this moveon.org hoo-hah and he told me that just about everything they've done this year is illegal under campaign finance law, but no one seems to care to do anything about it.
I find that VERY hard to believe.  As if the GOP machine can't handle it, somehow.  They'd be all over infractions like grass stains on a prom dress... [/b]
i'll ask him again. . mind you, he's supportive of moveon.org's policies and slant, but is amazed at how illegally it's spending and raising it's money.
Title: Re: Oct monster tours for MoveOn.Org
Post by: tooms on August 19, 2004, 04:10:00 pm
PJ tix were $50, plus $2 facility charge and the usual modest TM $8.80 convenience charge and another $3.05 processing charge for the entire order.  total was about $62 each.  
 
 Bruce/REM was about $25 more each.
Title: Re: Oct monster tours for MoveOn.Org
Post by: Bags on August 19, 2004, 04:18:00 pm
Thank you, tooms.  I was beginning to wonder why the information was so elusive!    ;)
Title: Re: Oct monster tours for MoveOn.Org
Post by: grotty on August 20, 2004, 10:53:00 am
Quote
Originally posted by grotty:
 
 
 wonder how long it'll take for the REALLY good tix to pop up on ebay...hmmm...
Good question grotty. Here's your answer: NOT LONG
 
  Reading front row (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=16122&item=2264330470&rd=1)
Title: Re: Oct monster tours for MoveOn.Org
Post by: kosmo vinyl on August 20, 2004, 11:00:00 am
thats just insane.... i could see a two or more years worth of concerts for that money.  rhett could spend the rest of his life going to shows for that money.
 
 i wonder what my "nose bleed" seats are worth
Title: Re: Oct monster tours for MoveOn.Org
Post by: Bombay Chutney on August 20, 2004, 11:04:00 am
Holy crap. Over $1000?  That's insane.  :eek:
Title: Re: Oct monster tours for MoveOn.Org
Post by: grotty on August 20, 2004, 11:04:00 am
Quote
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
  thats just insane.... i could see a two or more years worth of concerts for that money.  rhett could spend the rest of his life going to shows for that money.
 
 i wonder what my "nose bleed" seats are worth
Do a generic Pearl Jam tix search. Even not so good tix are selling high.
  PJ tix on ebay (http://search.ebay.com/pearl-jam-tickets_W0QQfromZR9QQsosortpropertyZ1)
 
 The really crazy thing about that first link I posted is that the auction still has TWO MORE DAYS. It could easily top $2000. Maybe *much* more.
Title: Re: Oct monster tours for MoveOn.Org
Post by: Bags on August 20, 2004, 11:23:00 am
Yeah, but tickets like these *always* get posted at first for insane amounts.  Then it dies down.  I'd bet very, very few folks get great prices like that for their tickets.  Maybe a couple hundred for very close-in rows.
 
 What's insane is that, it's not like PJ won't tour again...
Title: Re: Oct monster tours for MoveOn.Org
Post by: kosmo vinyl on August 20, 2004, 11:46:00 am
the current bid is at $1000 which is what someone is willing to pay for those tickets...  my guess is some lawyer/doctors girlfried is a big DCFC fan
 
 in this day and age of ebay etc,  one would think that tickets should be tagged as nontransferrable for shows like this.  and i hope that the Ten Club looks into the possibility of suspending ticket buying priviledges for those reselling tickets via ebay.
 
 i would certainly hate to be working at Ten Club right with all the nonesense people are spouting about getting "lousy" tickets or getting them all.  .. just more me first attidude
Title: Re: Oct monster tours for MoveOn.Org
Post by: Bags on August 20, 2004, 11:53:00 am
Quote
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
  the current bid is at $1000 which is what someone is willing to pay for those tickets...  my guess is some lawyer/doctors girlfried is a big DCFC fan
But just because there's a bid doesn't mean the tickets will actually be purchased, correct?  I think more of these deals fall through than you think, and that these high bids are put in by the sellers to "get the ball rolling."
 
 I will say, the personalized Ten Club passwords is quite brilliant.  The limit of two tickets sucks, but it makes sense based on their goals.
 
 By the way, we got MUCH better seats for the Reading show via Moveon (floor, secion 7) than we did from Ten Club (Section 106, pretty high up).
Title: Re: Oct monster tours for MoveOn.Org
Post by: Bombay Chutney on August 20, 2004, 01:03:00 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Bags:
  The limit of two tickets sucks, but it makes sense based on their goals.
 
I think the 2 ticket limit for the fan club is perfect.  It's supposed to be a perk for the actual fan club members - not the fan club members and a bunch of their friends who can't be bothered to join themselves.
Title: Re: Oct monster tours for MoveOn.Org
Post by: Bags on August 20, 2004, 01:08:00 pm
I agree...sucks for me, but does match their goals perfectly.  Don't you pay for membership of Ten Club?
Title: Re: Oct monster tours for MoveOn.Org
Post by: kosmo vinyl on August 20, 2004, 01:32:00 pm
yup membership is $15 a year with the xmas singles and the opportunity to buy tickets via the band for shows.  typically tickets are ordered through the club and pickedup at the venue.  And also distributed via senority, so the longer you've been in the better the seats.  This time however because of the shortest of time and the nature of the donation to moveon, tickets had to bought first come first serve via ticketbastard...
Title: Re: Oct monster tours for MoveOn.Org
Post by: Random Citizen on August 20, 2004, 01:34:00 pm
Quote
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
  yup membership is $15 a year with the xmas singles and the opportunity to buy tickets via the band for shows.  
REM does the same.
Title: Re: Oct monster tours for MoveOn.Org
Post by: Bombay Chutney on August 20, 2004, 01:58:00 pm
I like the seniority thing.  I wish REM did that.
Title: Re: Oct monster tours for MoveOn.Org
Post by: grotty on August 21, 2004, 03:04:00 pm
Quote
Originally posted by grotty:
 
Quote
Originally posted by grotty:
 [qb]
 
 wonder how long it'll take for the REALLY good tix to pop up on ebay...
  Reading front row (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=16122&item=2264330470&rd=1) [/b]
Slowing down @ $2,000.00...Cheapskates