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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: markie on August 01, 2003, 12:09:00 pm
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From the guardian. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/fridayreview/story/0,12102,1009620,00.html)
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Nice one! :D I could've wrote that!
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Its a pretty sad state of affairs. Without singles to showcase a bands talent and hook you in, what are you left with?
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so if they don't make 7-inch singles how you do explain the coral, supergrass, qosta, etc 7-inch singles i've bought recently... must be that alternate universe i live in.
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
so if they don't make 7-inch singles how you do explain the coral, supergrass, qosta, etc 7-inch singles i've bought recently... must be that alternate universe i live in.
how many copies of those singles were sold? 1000? You highlight the point, you are living in an alternate universe. One of the middle aged rock fan. How many people under say 20 have ever even bought a single?
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Originally posted by markie:
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
so if they don't make 7-inch singles how you do explain the coral, supergrass, qosta, etc 7-inch singles i've bought recently... must be that alternate universe i live in.
how many copies of those singles were sold? 1000? You highlight the point, you are living in an alternate universe. One of the middle aged rock fan. How many people under say 20 have ever even bought a single? [/b]
do you think i care? i was only pointing out the fact that 7-inch singles are still released, who buys them is not the point.
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
so if they don't make 7-inch singles how you do explain the coral, supergrass, qosta, etc 7-inch singles i've bought recently... must be that alternate universe i live in.
Do you have to have a special 7-inch CD drive for that?
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
do you think i care? i was only pointing out the fact that 7-inch singles are still released, who buys them is not the point.
Sorry if that came out harsh. I would put myself in the same category.
Who buys them is entirely the point.
The point is that singles and therefore songs are not an important part of youth culture and growing up. Music is losing to other mediums.
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Originally posted by ggw™:
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
so if they don't make 7-inch singles how you do explain the coral, supergrass, qosta, etc 7-inch singles i've bought recently... must be that alternate universe i live in.
Do you have to have a special 7-inch CD drive for that? [/b]
yeah it's called a stanton turntable...
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Originally posted by markie:
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
do you think i care? i was only pointing out the fact that 7-inch singles are still released, who buys them is not the point.
Sorry if that came out harsh. I would put myself in the same category.
Who buys them is entirely the point.
The point is that singles and therefore songs are not an important part of youth culture and growing up. Music is losing to other mediums. [/b]
i realize the point and if it not for the fact that the sale of the 7-inch vinyl single also contributes to the uk chart position, i'm sure they wouldn't even be bother releasing them.
your point about bands being able to prove themselves with a single is well taken. but with cheaper recording technology allowing up and coming bands to put together a full length cd at the same cost as it once to get a single out the cd is the way to go. of course the cd can be filled with 10 crap tracks with one or two but thats what expected these days.
the single is really a hobbyist format these days.. in the us there a lot of indie & punk kids still releasing them. there are singles clubs, split singles so they wont be going away just become a secret handshake.
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I'll bet Paul Morley used to walk 37 miles to school, everyday, even in blinding snowstorms! I'm far from being a kid and I still buy a lot of singles...both cd and vinyl.
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I don't think I've bought a single since the 1970's. Well, a couple while I was back in a college I guess, but none in 15 years.
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Originally posted by Yank:
I'll bet Paul Morley used to walk 37 miles to school, everyday, even in blinding snowstorms! I'm far from being a kid and I still buy a lot of singles...both cd and vinyl.
Jeez, you old timers are missing the point here. Yes you still buy singles. You are in a small minority, the middle aged rock fan.
The kids dont buy singles anymore. Its a dead medium. Even top of the pops is going. Radio one has its lowest listening figures ever. Music is becoming culturally unimportant, a niche.
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It's all the medium, Markie. Music isn't becoming culturally unimportant. The single is.
Why is it that there are over 1 million people downloading music on peer to peer?
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Originally posted by markie:
The kids dont buy singles anymore. Its a dead medium. Even top of the pops is going. Radio one has its lowest listening figures ever. Music is becoming culturally unimportant, a niche.
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It has nothing to do with talent anymore, it's all about packaging and marketing...those karaoke competitions that seem to be on TV every night are proof of that...American Idol, Pop Idol and any other "idol" they can dream up.
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That's always been the case though. Stop letting nostalgia get in the way.
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Originally posted by thirsty moore:
It's all the medium, Markie. Music isn't becoming culturally unimportant. The single is.
Why is it that there are over 1 million people downloading music on peer to peer?
but singles were for me, a cheap gateway to albums. That has gone now. Without singles how else do you get to hear new bands? Ordinary radio and regular MTV are clearly not good ways.
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Originally posted by thirsty moore:
That's always been the case though. Stop letting nostalgia get in the way.
I dunno before videos a lot of bands were right ugly bastards. Hell the average British new wave act wasnt likely to be pretty either, go check out Yazz(oo).
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At some point someone that relies on radio will either dig deeper or keep listening to what's being fed to them.
Originally posted by markie:
Without singles how else do you get to hear new bands? Ordinary radio and regular MTV are clearly not good ways.
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Originally posted by markie:
Originally posted by thirsty moore:
It's all the medium, Markie. Music isn't becoming culturally unimportant. The single is.
Why is it that there are over 1 million people downloading music on peer to peer?
but singles were for me, a cheap gateway to albums. That has gone now. Without singles how else do you get to hear new bands? Ordinary radio and regular MTV are clearly not good ways. [/b]
downloading legal and illegal music off the internet is about the cheapest way there is today...
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Originally posted by thirsty moore:
At some point someone that relies on radio will either dig deeper or keep listening to what's being fed to them.
Thats probably true. Probably always was. But if you are pumped the same 20 dull songs allday everyday. It probably does not encourage the average person to buy an album or dig deeper. You would just guess all music was shite.
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Occasionally you'll get a few good songs though. For instance, The Strokes.
Wow, who are these guys? Why is everyone comparing them to the Velvet Roomband. Who are they? Oh, the Velvet Underground! Oh, and they have a greatest hits? I should pick that up.
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Originally posted by thirsty moore:
Occasionally you'll get a few good songs though. For instance, The Strokes.
Funny, we listened to that last night. Its alright, but not as good as the original.
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Yes, we all know that. But someone's either looking for something similar or completely opposite.
Essentially, Rock is just fast music with different band names.
Originally posted by markie:
Its alright, but not as good as the original.
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Originally posted by markie:
Originally posted by Yank:
I'll bet Paul Morley used to walk 37 miles to school, everyday, even in blinding snowstorms! I'm far from being a kid and I still buy a lot of singles...both cd and vinyl.
Jeez, you old timers are missing the point here. Yes you still buy singles. You are in a small minority, the middle aged rock fan.
The kids dont buy singles anymore. Its a dead medium. Even top of the pops is going. Radio one has its lowest listening figures ever. Music is becoming culturally unimportant, a niche. [/b]
Well the HMV in Liverpool and Manchester (Virgin too) still devote a large section of their stores to singles, and it isn't the middle aged rock fan like myself that are mostly buying the singles! With that said, I know the singles market in the states is a joke.
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Originally posted by Yank:
With that said, I know the singles market in the states is a joke. [/QB]
yeah look no farther then some the plastic women on match.com
acutally in the kindercore and emo scenes plenty of singles are still be released. with plenty of garage 60's and otherwise being released and reissued.