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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: sonickteam2 on August 23, 2005, 04:25:00 pm
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Ok, this may have been discussed in the Penguins are gonna suck thread, but perhaps we need our own thread.
Anyone intersted in joining Fantasy Hockey, post up here.
i usually use Yahoo, but if someone prefers something else, suggest it.
if its more than just me and xcanuck, we'll get a league together.
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Ugh... I think fantasy sports are completely ridiculous, but I'll consider it if there's a 930.com league since it's hockey.
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sure, why not. this baseball fantasy-thingy seems to be working out ok for me.
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Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:
Ugh... I think fantasy sports are completely ridiculous, but I'll consider it if there's a 930.com league since it's hockey.
cause we need something else to talk shit over, right?
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i think winning one 930 fantasy league will be enough for me. i'll be nice and give someone else a chance...
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i'm in
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I've never done fantasy hockey, but I'm up for any sports fantasy competition.
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Originally posted by sonickteam4:
cause we need something else to talk shit over, right?
Oh, sonickteam7, you know me too well. *swoons*
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Can I draft Ron Greschner, Don Maloney, and Phil Esposito?
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Originally posted by BookerT:
i think winning one 930 fantasy league will be enough for me. i'll be nice and give someone else a chance...
I'm going to Mexico tomorrow for a little while, then mounting my comeback when I get back. Enjoy your short lived reign at the top because it's going to end as soon as I'm done vacationing.
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yeah im up for one. i also have another one going if anyone is up for joining more than one. cost is minimal. (you can send me a message for more info)
if youre planning on doing one at yahoo, i suggest getting it going soon. you have to sign up for draft times, if you're doing a live draft. the times disappear rather quickly.
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ok, I will set one up by tomorrow afternoon.
I will PM the league ID and password to whomever is interested sometime tomorrow. :)
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I'm going to Mexico tomorrow for a little while, then mounting my comeback when I get back. Enjoy your short lived reign at the top because it's going to end as soon as I'm done vacationing.
out of town, again? where's your committment?! actually, i'll be out of town for a few days myself, so maybe we'll be even there. it should be a good final month, but if king felix stays hot and i can get those three points in steals, i'll be tough to catch.
and i was just kidding about not doing the hockey league. i will gladly kick all y'all asses.
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Originally posted by BookerT:
king felix
King Felix is no Zach Duke. He's barely Ervin Santana.
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what time/day should we have the draft?
afternoon? evening? weekend?
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Originally posted by sonickteam4:
what time/day should we have the draft?
afternoon? evening? weekend?
Afternoon works for me.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
King Felix is no Zach Duke. He's barely Ervin Santana.
Duke's little run ends tonight
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A blockbuster trade just went/is going down. Ottawa is shipping Hossa (who they just signed 3 years/18 mil) and De Vries to Atlanta for Heatley. Ottawa just fucked themselves.
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King Felix is no Zach Duke. He's barely Ervin Santana.
fair enough, but after those two, yr next best starter is the guy i just dropped.
weekday evening (meaning 6pm est on) or weekend morning works best for me for a draft. i wouldn't throw a fit if i needed to do it on autodraft, tho.
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ugh, autodraft. weekday afternoon/evenings are probably best for me.
as for our other league, i proud of my team, doing it the old fashioned way- all pitching.
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Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:
A blockbuster trade just went/is going down. Ottawa is shipping Hossa (who they just signed 3 years/18 mil) and De Vries to Atlanta for Heatley. Ottawa just fucked themselves.
yeah they did, they better have a rule about fellow players getting in the passenger seat with heatley
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so 6pm on a weekday...going once...
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oh just make it 6:15 and id be so much more happy.
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or 6:30, but i'm not going to make a big deal about it
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Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
or 6:30, but i'm not going to make a big deal about it
6:30 would be good for me on tuesday's, thursday's or friday's.
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I'm sure we're talking Pacific Time, right?
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Originally posted by general grievous:
Duke's little run ends tonight
whoops, i didnt mean for him to get hurt
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you bastard!
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Originally posted by vansmack:
I'm sure we're talking Pacific Time, right?
is 3:30pm your time not good?
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please do not do it at this time
Your live online draft is set for Mon Sep 19 8:30pm EDT
i know ill fuck up one team if i have 2 drafts going on simultaneously.
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i'll play... i want to draft a team of goons...
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This sounds excellent. A chance to show the world that, regardless of how much I talk about hockey, I actually know very little :)
6-ish sounds fine for a draft.
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
i'll play... i want to draft a team of goons...
my fantasy league used to be just that.. the fighters were getting soo many points, till some canadians bolted. somehow ive still got it worked out that the fighters do the best in my league :D
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Originally posted by general grievous:
Originally posted by general grievous:
Duke's little run ends tonight
whoops, i didnt mean for him to get hurt [/b]
You're so lucky I don't have your number 'cause I needed to yell at somebody and you were the obvious choice after hexing him. I saw my dreams of fantasy glory go down the toilet for a few minutes there. One start is not going to kill me. 2-3 starts and I'm in big trouble.
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Originally posted by sonickteam4:
is 3:30pm your time not good?
I was kidding. Just let me know what time and I'll schedule a "conference call" for that time if I'm still at the office.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
You're so lucky I don't have your number 'cause I needed to yell at somebody and you were the obvious choice after hexing him. I saw my dreams of fantasy glory go down the toilet for a few minutes there. One start is not going to kill me. 2-3 starts and I'm in big trouble.
well they were talking about shutting him down anyway, too many innnings this year
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Originally posted by general grievous:
well they were talking about shutting him down anyway, too many innnings this year
Don't try to sugar coat it. You know what you did. I don't mess with the baseball gods otherwise Chris Carpenter....
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Don't try to sugar coat it. You know what you did. I don't mess with the baseball gods otherwise Chris Carpenter....
don't you dare, that already happened last year
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pirates pitchers always get hurt anyway. seriously need new pitching coaches through out the organization
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yeah, i'm a pirates fan, it's sad but true. this could be a blessing in disguise. sean burnett, john van benschoten, bobby bradley -- they were all supposed to be saviors and all got seriously hurt. even ones that avoid arm trouble get smashed in the face w/a line drive (paul maholm). here's an under the radar pirates minor league hurler who will give the bucs three of the top lefty starters in the league by 2007: tom gorzelany. remember that name.
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OK boys and goons, its hockey time
fantasysports.yahoo.com
League ID - 24700
password - hanson
The Draft is set for Monday 9/12 at 6:30pm EST.
I wasnt sure whether to do Rotisserie or Points or Head To Head.
I did Rotisserie, but i can change that before the draft. So LMK if you'd rather do Points or HTH.
ok? See you at the Forum Shootout!
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How long should this draft take? I have to leave around 7:15-ish.
Also, unless we're talking Chicken, I have no clue what rotissere is.
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i'd imagine a couple hours. you can always prerank ahead of time and yahoo will pick the rest of your team
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i have no idea how long that shit takes,
rotisserie chicken. nice.
i dont know what it means either, we usually just tabulate points throughout the whole year.
someone hopefully can explain rotisserie to us!
the draft shouldnt take THAT long, unless motherfuckers are slow as HELL. the top 5-10 picks are the most important, then just pre-rank the goons and figure it out later.
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In our Rotisserie scoring system, each team will be ranked against the other 11 teams in 10 different categories. The team with the highest rank in a category will receive 12 points (based on the number of teams) for that category, the second best 11, and so on. The team with the lowest rank in a category will receive 1 point for that category. The sum of the points for each category will determine a team's score.
http://hockey.sportsline.com/splash/hockey/spln/single/rules#rules_single_scoringr (http://hockey.sportsline.com/splash/hockey/spln/single/rules#rules_single_scoringr)
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does anyone object to that?
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Originally posted by sonickteam4:
does anyone object to that?
I'd prefer straight points, to be honest.
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did i ask for anyones honesty? no.
i prefer points too. ok, we'll make it points then.
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Originally posted by sonickteam4:
did i ask for anyones honesty? no.
i prefer points too. ok, we'll make it points then.
i don't know, i kind of like the way the points are broken down in fantasy baseball.
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i prefer points or head to head, but rotisserie would be fine, if everyone prefers that.
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I'll go along with the majority (which seems to be points).
More importantly - where are we watching the games on opening night? There are so many games worth seeing! I was thinking of trekking out to Bugsys in Alexandria. It's about the only hockey bar I can think of.
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ok people. the draft is Monday at 6:30pm EST
we have only 6 teams, so get the hell on it.
its going to be a points league, hopefully that is ok.
and heres how they break down (any big problems with these points, LMK, i can change em if we need to, you can also view these at league home.)
G (10)
A (5)
+/- (2.5)
PIM (2)
PPP (2.5)
SHP (7.5)
W (10)
L (-10)
SHO (50)
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
Originally posted by sonickteam4:
did i ask for anyones honesty? no.
i prefer points too. ok, we'll make it points then.
i don't know, i kind of like the way the points are broken down in fantasy baseball. [/b]
i dont know what you mean by this...
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those goalie points are totally fucked up. losing a 1-0 game kills you, while winning a 6-5 game helps you. there should be some middle ground.
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Originally posted by sonickteam4:
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
i don't know, i kind of like the way the points are broken down in fantasy baseball.
i dont know what you mean by this... [/b]
i assume he's referring to a "rotisserie" system, where people are ranked in the categories and (in a 10 team league) get 10 points for having the most goals and 1 point for having the least goals, same for all the stat cat's
IMHO, the pure points system is better because you can assign different point values for different stat categories ... in rotisserie, every stat category is equally valuable
but i'm not playing in this league, so feel free to ignore me
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Originally posted by BookerT:
those goalie points are totally fucked up. losing a 1-0 game kills you, while winning a 6-5 game helps you. there should be some middle ground.
and it also basically places all the points on whether the team wins or loses ... so unless you have negative points for goals allowed and positive points for saves, you're basically just drafting teams when it comes to goalies ... it's like only counting Ws and Ls in baseball and not including a pitcher's ERA or WHIP
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what the hell, i'll play, but i'll have to autodraft
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Originally posted by BookerT:
those goalie points are totally fucked up. losing a 1-0 game kills you, while winning a 6-5 game helps you. there should be some middle ground.
lemme check, but in a points league, you cannot assign points for a save percentage or goal allowed average.
what suggestions can we make for the goalie stats?
other than wins, losses and shutouts, the only other categories are:
games started: which is just lame
goals against: which could work
shots against: this isnt really reflective of the goalie at all is it??
saves: this COULD work but then really you're goalie just needs to play. i had this as a category a couple years back and it put too much emphasis on the goalie. other players didnt even seem to matter much.
suggestions?
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I'd leave the goalie stats the way they are, like you said, tweaking a few of those will make the goalies the entire thing. I'd rather the goalies be undervalued ([wins-losses]*10) then the alternative.
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I forget, is there money involved in this league? If not, I'm in but will have to be autodraft.
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Originally posted by p011@rd:
I forget, is there money involved in this league? If not, I'm in but will have to be autodraft.
No $$ involved.
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Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:
No $$ involved.
ok, registered
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yeah its free. so if we have a live draft, if someones not there, it autodrafts their pre-ranked players? or does everyone have to do the same thing?
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Originally posted by sonickteam4:
yeah its free. so if we have a live draft, if someones not there, it autodrafts their pre-ranked players? or does everyone have to do the same thing?
it auto drafts their pre-ranked players, people who are there still choose for themselves
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COOL!
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booo. . .i was looking at using goalies to up my point totals. :)
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i think saves should be worth a small positive and goals allowed should be a small negative.
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Originally posted by BookerT:
i think saves should be worth a small positive and goals allowed should be a small negative.
objections to this anyone???
no more than .5 or 1 point for a save. one year a save was 2 points, and Marc Denis of the Blue Jackets was getting 90 points a game from saves and players like Forsber and Naslund only getting 30 for goals and assists.
maybe saves work .25 points and a goal against worth -1 ???
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i guess this is a more general question . .will shootout results apply to goalies' stats?
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Originally posted by sonickteam4:
maybe saves work .25 points and a goal against worth -1 ???
That's a good proportion. Go with that.
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
i guess this is a more general question . .will shootout results apply to goalies' stats?
well, heres where Yahoo has been extremely vague. it doesnt look like shootouts have even been thought of here.
now apparently, if the game is tied 2-2 at the end of regulation, the winner of the shootout wins 3-2, so i would assume goalies would only get 1 more goal allowed. but who would get the goal? not sure.
either way, this year will be a crapshoot with teams having to shuffle their fantasy roster once we see how this "new NHL" is being played.
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Originally posted by sonickteam4:
now apparently, if the game is tied 2-2 at the end of regulation, the winner of the shootout wins 3-2, so i would assume goalies would only get 1 more goal allowed. but who would get the goal? not sure.
Wait, I was under the impression we were still having a 5 minute overtime of 4 on 4 and then a shootout. Wrong?
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Originally posted by sonickteam4:
no more than .5 or 1 point for a save. one year a save was 2 points, and Marc Denis of the Blue Jackets was getting 90 points a game from saves and players like Forsber and Naslund only getting 30 for goals and assists.
maybe saves work .25 points and a goal against worth -1 ???
sonick, all you have to do to tweak the stats is just enter the modifiers (.25/save, -1/GA) and see how last year's stats look, the ideal (i think) would be to have the goalie with the best stats in the league be kind of similar to the best scorer ... if the .25/save, -1/GAA is too much or too little, just make a change ... make sense?
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yes, sorry. after the overtime.
the point it, if they have each team shoot 5 shots in the shootout or something, if a team wins the shootout 4-2 or something, a 2-2 would be won 3-2, not 6-4.
dig it?
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Originally posted by sonickteam4:
yes, sorry. after the overtime.
the point it, if they have each team shoot 5 shots in the shootout or something, if a team wins the shootout 4-2 or something, a 2-2 would be won 3-2, not 6-4.
dig it?
hmmm, ok. looks like my strategy of piling up goalie points (like i'm doing in baseball with pitching) probably won't work. oh well. .
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just wondering why not divide up points for short handed goals and power play goals/assists. instead its all lumped into one category (and yes this can all be separated). i think esp on short handed goals you might want to give the scorer more points than the guy who gets the assist. or just dont even bother with short handed assists.
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Originally posted by xneverwherex:
just wondering why not divide up points for short handed goals and power play goals/assists. instead its all lumped into one category (and yes this can all be separated). i think esp on short handed goals you might want to give the scorer more points than the guy who gets the assist. or just dont even bother with short handed assists.
i dont know see where its letting me divide up SHA and SHG (likewise with powerplay)
let me check again (i thought i used to be able to though)
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
Originally posted by sonickteam4:
no more than .5 or 1 point for a save. one year a save was 2 points, and Marc Denis of the Blue Jackets was getting 90 points a game from saves and players like Forsber and Naslund only getting 30 for goals and assists.
maybe saves work .25 points and a goal against worth -1 ???
sonick, all you have to do to tweak the stats is just enter the modifiers (.25/save, -1/GA) and see how last year's stats look, the ideal (i think) would be to have the goalie with the best stats in the league be kind of similar to the best scorer ... if the .25/save, -1/GAA is too much or too little, just make a change ... make sense? [/b]
not sure what you mean. i agree with you , but is there a way on yahoo to figure that stuff out?
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Originally posted by sonickteam4:
Originally posted by xneverwherex:
just wondering why not divide up points for short handed goals and power play goals/assists. instead its all lumped into one category (and yes this can all be separated). i think esp on short handed goals you might want to give the scorer more points than the guy who gets the assist. or just dont even bother with short handed assists.
i dont know see where its letting me divide up SHA and SHG (likewise with powerplay)
let me check again (i thought i used to be able to though) [/b]
i know theres a way as ive separated mine all out. ill go see where it is and let you know.
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Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
Originally posted by sonickteam4:
no more than .5 or 1 point for a save. one year a save was 2 points, and Marc Denis of the Blue Jackets was getting 90 points a game from saves and players like Forsber and Naslund only getting 30 for goals and assists.
maybe saves work .25 points and a goal against worth -1 ???
sonick, all you have to do to tweak the stats is just enter the modifiers (.25/save, -1/GA) and see how last year's stats look, the ideal (i think) would be to have the goalie with the best stats in the league be kind of similar to the best scorer ... if the .25/save, -1/GAA is too much or too little, just make a change ... make sense? [/b]
not sure what you mean. i agree with you , but is there a way on yahoo to figure that stuff out?
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ok i have it
now we have
powerplay goals = 5 points
shorthanded goal = 10 points
(and these are additional to the initial 10 goal points)
i can assign values for SHA and PPA's if we really wanna have points for every stat imagineable!!!!!
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Originally posted by sonickteam4:
ok i have it
now we have
powerplay goals = 5 points
shorthanded goal = 10 points
(and these are additional to the initial 10 goal points)
Wait, a regular strenght goal is 10.
A power play Goal is 15?
And a shorthanded goal is 20.
Are you sure?
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well, i suppose this would go in line that power play goals are easier to score than regular strength.
it has been and will be argued forever that power play goals should be worth less than 5 on 5.
if we want to do that, ok.
but the only way i think we can make PPG less than a 5-5 goal is to make a PPG worth (-) point value!
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if you go under the commissioner tools... edit the fields to include whichever you need -- under edit stat categories.. then you have to go into stat modifiers and change the points to any new categories you add.
you can have SHG SHA, PPP, PPG, PPA, whichever you want. all or none or some.
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or we can just go with not having the PPG category at all. then they would be worth just the 10.
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Originally posted by sonickteam4:
ok i have it
now we have
powerplay goals = 5 points
shorthanded goal = 10 points
(and these are additional to the initial 10 goal points)
i can assign values for SHA and PPA's if we really wanna have points for every stat imagineable!!!!!
A shorthand goal (http://eclectech.co.uk/message.php?i=eqc)...?
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by sonickteam4:
ok i have it
now we have
powerplay goals = 5 points
shorthanded goal = 10 points
(and these are additional to the initial 10 goal points)
Wait, a regular strenght goal is 10.
A power play Goal is 15?
And a shorthanded goal is 20.
Are you sure? [/b]
if these are the points you are using, using figures from 2 years ago, the top fighter (simon) got 314PM = 628 points.
compare this to st. louis (highest scorer) who got 38 goals, 56 assists, +35, 8 PP points. based on goals and assists alone he already would have 660 points. and yes this is the high end of the spectrum.
the top 50 players averages (for fighters and scorers) for 2 seasons ago (yes friends and i did a lot of research when evaluating points) were the fighters got 151PIM = 300 points. whereas the scorers were getting 29 goals = 290 points and 43 assists 215 points. so basically anyone but a scorer is obsolete in the league.
this doesnt even begin to include PPP or SHG which are going to really offset the scorers from everyone else. maybe the point values need to come down some, unless you want your league all about scoring goals.
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Originally posted by xneverwherex:
if these are the points you are using, using figures from 2 years ago, the top fighter (simon) got 314PM = 628 points.
compare this to st. louis (highest scorer) who got 38 goals, 56 assists, +35, 8 PP points. based on goals and assists alone he already would have 660 points. and yes this is the high end of the spectrum.
Damn you for exposing my theory.
Of course, Venerable and I were discussing the new suspensions and what impact that may have....
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yeah my theory got fucked when he set the points. i already had my first pick figured out. i was hoping that there'd be points available for suspensions and cool things like that. or goalies who could get PIMs or Goals. no such luck with yahoo.
sorry for pointing out your theory. most people (unless you watch a lot of hockey or scour all the points) wouldnt even begin to know who a lot of those unknowns are :)
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to be honest, i wasnt really trying to make it that in depth. I figured most people werent even so much into hockey and it would just be recreational.
if a goal is 10 points, then it would equal a fighting major if PIMs were 2 points. is that wrong?
i mean, i see that you have thought all of this out and i can completely follow along, but perhaps not everyone wants to need an Excel spreadsheet to pick their team.
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Originally posted by xneverwherex:
unless you want your league all about scoring goals.
its our league :)
and we can raise the PIMs if you like.
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Originally posted by sonickteam4:
i mean, i see that you have thought all of this out and i can completely follow along, but perhaps not everyone wants to need an Excel spreadsheet to pick their team.
Yeah, I'm not putting that much effort into this at all.
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Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:
Yeah, I'm not putting that much effort into this at all.
If nobody else is using a slide-rule, then I guess I'll put mine away.
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Originally posted by sonickteam4:
to be honest, i wasnt really trying to make it that in depth. I figured most people werent even so much into hockey and it would just be recreational.
if a goal is 10 points, then it would equal a fighting major if PIMs were 2 points. is that wrong?
i mean, i see that you have thought all of this out and i can completely follow along, but perhaps not everyone wants to need an Excel spreadsheet to pick their team.
i suppose if you like spreadsheets in your game and analyzed it this much, you could join my league. but keep your league as is. ill figure out one way or the other who im going to pick up based on points :)
i spend way to much time watching hockey/discussing hockey etc. :D
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Originally posted by vansmack:
If nobody else is using a slide-rule, then I guess I'll put mine away.
I was going to use my TI-83 calculator, but only because it still has a program from highschool that plays a rudimentary collage of pictures of a girl taking it up the ass. But that really has little to do with fantasy hockey, it was more of a "pass-the-time" thing while everyone picked.
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Wait, a regular strenght goal is 10.
A power play Goal is 15?
And a shorthanded goal is 20.
Are you sure?
martin st. louis = MVP in this format ... how many special teams points did he have last year? 120?
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well its better than having Tie Domi as MVP!!!
and St. Louis had 41 special teams points. including 8 shorthanded goals.
why would someone that tied for the leagues lead in Assists, plus/minus, 1st in points and 4th goals being the MVP be a bad thing anyway????
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I say we award a point for every minute of ice time. It'd be hilarious.
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Originally posted by sonickteam4:
well its better than having Tie Domi as MVP!!!
I would love to see that?
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I don't know much about fantasy hockey, but I'd say power play goals should equal a regular goal and short handed goals should be at least an extra five points. Also, and I'm just asking, what is so important about penalty minutes and why do they have points. I know fights are fun to watch, but should they be that much of positive points in a fantasy league?
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are you playing rob?? you should, cause we need more re-pube-licans in the league :)
and i dont think there's going to be as many fights this year anyway.
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Originally posted by sonickteam4:
well its better than having Tie Domi as MVP!!!
and St. Louis had 41 special teams points. including 8 shorthanded goals.
why would someone that tied for the leagues lead in Assists, plus/minus, 1st in points and 4th goals being the MVP be a bad thing anyway????
oh it isn't a bad thing at all
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I need some more players for my league anybody up for it?
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it's looking unlikely that i'll be able to participate live in the draft today. but i have pre-ranked nearly 300 players, so i should be good to go. we have 26 players per team? good lord, that's a lot.
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now we have too many players? lol.
well, seeing as how not everyone plays each night, i like it better to have lots of players, plus, it makes you have to think a bit more than just picking allstar teams.
i have no idea who i am picking tonight, sheesh.
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Originally posted by sonickteam4:
i have no idea who i am picking tonight, sheesh.
ditto. and having the league done in a points system is completely baffling and screwing with whatever is my draft plan.
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yeah, but the thing is, and i have talked to some other people about this, is that generally, the final results of a rotisserie league and a points league are always very similar.
if you can win a rotisserie league, you'll probably win the points league too, so if you have a plan at all, use it here, i would say
and i am still emailing yahoo cause Ovechkin is NOT in the system to be drafted.....
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so i dont see anything for the draft on the league site, does something pop up right as its starting?
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Hey, I made trade offers to a few of you today - go check it.
I'm in a wheelin'-and-dealin' mood.
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Originally posted by Wayne, BadSushi Fellatio AFICIONADO:
Hey, I made trade offers to a few of you today - go check it.
I'm in a wheelin'-and-dealin' mood.
i like ray whitney, but he's not worth legace, come on ....
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i see you dont want any of my loser players...
i dont either!!!!
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Originally posted by sonickteam4:
i see you dont want any of my loser players...
i dont either!!!!
Hold on, I'll look at your lineup.
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OK sonick, i made you a trade offer. :)
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Originally posted by Wayne, BadSushi Fellatio AFICIONADO:
OK sonick, i made you a trade offer. :)
awww, ok
very very interesting. i will have to take a day or two to think this over.
I am seriously liking the Thrashers to win the Southeast this year...
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Originally posted by sonickteam4:
I am seriously liking the Thrashers to win the Southeast this year...
no respect for the bolts. embarrassing post.
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Come on people, let's do some trades!
You all really need to check the free agent pool - Ryan Malone (a 40 point guy a year ago, plus his disasterous +/- should dissipate because of his team's overall improvement) was just sitting there. Sweet backup.
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ok when i saw this thread i was like "damn yeah this must have pix of topless chicks playing hockey!" but nooooooo. this further supposrts my theory that alot of sport-o's are latent homosexual's. lemme tell ya for such macho wannabes at my gym there sure is a whole lotta pecker-peeking in the locker room as you get changed. thse same sportos are typically the most homophobic ppl u will meet. my theory is they hate gays so much b/c on the inside theyre gay, hate it and hav to supress/reject it.
but again, where are the topless hockey chicks?? you guys have to be gay!
<img src="http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:8SaSjbUQDeAJ:www.newnudemag.com/updates/the_vulis_files/15_head.jpg" alt=" - " /> <img src="http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:5sj0RTNuUNUJ:nude-girls-seeking-sex-personals.com/images/sport2.jpg" alt=" - " />
"all i need is a lobotomy and tights" (http://www.unclebubby.com/wav/wav/MOVIES/Brkfstclub/lobotomy.wav)
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so people that like sports are gay homophobes?
is this what you are saying Jersey boy?
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I think you are confusing men who watch sports with men who go to the gym (not to confuse the latter with men who play sports).
Originally posted by muschi:
ok when i saw this thread i was like "damn yeah this must have pix of topless chicks playing hockey!" but nooooooo. this further supposrts my theory that alot of sport-o's are latent homosexual's. lemme tell ya for such macho wannabes at my gym there sure is a whole lotta pecker-peeking in the locker room as you get changed. thse same sportos are typically the most homophobic ppl u will meet. my theory is they hate gays so much b/c on the inside theyre gay, hate it and hav to supress/reject it.
but again, where are the topless hockey chicks?? you guys have to be gay!
<img src="http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:8SaSjbUQDeAJ:www.newnudemag.com/updates/the_vulis_files/15_head.jpg" alt=" - " /> <img src="http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:5sj0RTNuUNUJ:nude-girls-seeking-sex-personals.com/images/sport2.jpg" alt=" - " />
"all i need is a lobotomy and tights" (http://www.unclebubby.com/wav/wav/MOVIES/Brkfstclub/lobotomy.wav)
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what the hell is wrong with the people i drafted. well some of them had just retired (figures) and now Elias (the best chance i had of a scorer) has f'ing hepatitis A. eek! :roll:
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crap. I haven't really been paying attention. I just assumed that the draft for the fantasy league(s) wouldn't happen until just before the start of the season. Has the draft date already passed?
There are still some deals waiting to happen. Looks like Bondra will sign with Atlanta. I really thought Detroit might take him as a way to partially plug the hole that Datsyuk left.
Have I mentioned how much I *loathe* Disneyworld? Just f**king kill me already. Stupid work conferences....
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you missed the draft (live) as it was on monday, but assuming you set up a team, your team was drafted courtesy of yahoo. so odds are, your team is still better than mine. of course if you never even set up a team or anything, it means you've got no one on your team. good luck!
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maybe y'all can ask him how he feels about being left off of yahoo's draft page- link (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2005/09/14/DI2005091401996.html)
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Originally posted by xneverwherex:
what the hell is wrong with the people i drafted. well some of them had just retired (figures) and now Elias (the best chance i had of a scorer) has f'ing hepatitis A. eek! :roll:
I've got a glut of scorers, looking for D or Goalie help. Perhaps we could work out a trade. What team are you? (I'm RHETT'S BITCH WIFE).
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im shoplifters united. im a greedy bitch tho, and probably wont give up my goaltenders. it might be my only chance of doing halfway decent, so if its an offer i cant refuse id say yes :)
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No offense, but other then Turco, your goalies are acutally worse then mine, lol.
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LMAO! i didnt claim i had a pretty bad team for nothing. but c'mon no love for Cujo? id imagine gretzky's coyotes could produce a pretty good season. then again, i cant stand cujo so i dont even know why i picked him up.
and yeah, unless you want some fighters i dont have much to offer up.
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Originally posted by xneverwherex:
and yeah, unless you want some fighters i dont have much to offer up.
I'm going to be patient right now until I see how the season unfolds, but I imagine that I will be in the market for fighters very soon...
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Originally posted by xneverwherex:
LMAO! i didnt claim i had a pretty bad team for nothing. but c'mon no love for Cujo? id imagine gretzky's coyotes could produce a pretty good season. then again, i cant stand cujo so i dont even know why i picked him up.
and yeah, unless you want some fighters i dont have much to offer up.
CuJo is OK, but is he even going to start? If he was named #1 goalie, I'd be interested because he always plays well when his team stinks.
Do we know who's starting in Minnesota?
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ohhhh f**K! i thought cujo was the #1 goalie in phoenix which is why gretzky wanted him? hmmm must go check that one out.
as far as minn. goalies. id imagine lemaire has the same game plan as the year before. do a little switching it up between manny and dwayne. i think fernandez went off on a good note, but roloson is quite good.
as far as fighters smackie... i drive a hard bargain. wonder if i can take this team and put it into my own league :) now that'd be the smartest idea ive had all day! :) watch the PIMs accumulate on shelley. that guy was quite the thug always starting a fight.
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Originally posted by Wayne, BadSushi Fellatio AFICIONADO:
Do we know who's starting in Minnesota?
for any news on the Wild, i humbly refer you to the Minneapolis Star Tribune (http://www.startribune.com/wild/), where my friend Mike Russo just accepted the Wild beat writer position, he should start writing soon ...
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They all laughed at me for taking Pavel Datsyuk in the 6th round of our draft. "Fucking dolt, he'll be in Russia," they said. Well, looks like the gamble of the draft just paid off.
CP) - Suddenly the Detroit Red Wings feel a whole lot better about their chances this season after getting star centre Pavel Datsyuk back into the fold.
For GM Ken Holland, it was a tortuous month of negotiations and a roller-coaster of emotions before finally plucking the silky smooth playmaker out of Russia.
"I spoke to Pavel this morning," Holland said Tuesday from Detroit. "It's all confirmed. He's coming back. We certainly feel like we've won the lottery."
Datsyuk, a restricted free agent, agreed to a two-year deal worth a little more than $3.8 million US a season. It ends a bizarre soap opera that had many twists and turns, including two clubs in Russia fighting over his rights and also offering a multi-million dollar contract.
"Until you're walking in a man's shoes, you don't know what factors into his decisions," Holland said. "In the end, looking at this in hindsight, he had a tremendous offer there. He's a great Russian player who was pursued very hard and I'm sure it was a difficult decision for him.
"But in talking to him today, he told me he was very, very happy to be coming back to Detroit."
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which is why i decided to hold on to Zetterberg.
i figured it would happen sooner or later...people just need a news story..
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Last update: September 20, 2005 at 7:17 AM
Wild: 'Tis the season to lay down the law
Michael Russo, Star Tribune
September 20, 2005 WILD0920
You've got to hand it to those patient NHL general managers.
Three days into the preseason, irritated GMs, upset with the inordinate number of power plays called as the league cracks down on obstruction, have already dialed up NHL executive vice president Colin Campbell to complain.
Over the years, Campbell has gotten used to such calls. He used to let them vent. Now, these GMs can expect a quick admonishment.
"It's going to be like: 'Enough is enough. Shut up,'" Campbell said. "We've been directed to do this by everybody, and a lot of those everybodys are the same people who have complained before when penalties were called too much.
"But this time, because of the lockout, we had the whole year to sink our teeth into it. We discussed it with players, coaches, refs and managers, and this was [the edict] to come down."
In recent years, the NHL has vowed to crack down on obstruction so many times, one might find himself rolling his eyes at the NHL's latest guarantee that those who hook, hold, prod, clutch and grab will be escorted to the penalty box every single time.
But this time, the NHL seems to mean business.
"I believe them," Wild center Brian Rolston said. "I think this time is a new beginning."
Through the first three days of exhibition games, 305 power plays have been assessed in only 16 games (19.1 a game). In 1,230 regular-season games in 2003-04, there were 10,427 power plays, or 8.5 a game.
In previous obstruction crackdowns, the focus was only on the non-puck carrier. But as the league tries to promote skill, speed and offense, infractions on the puck carrier will be highlighted.
"If we can free up the puck carrier, I think we can create the excitement that the fans have desired for some time," said Stephen Walkom, a respected NHL referee since 1992 who hung up his whistle this summer to become the NHL's director of officiating.
He recently gathered the league's 33 referees and 34 linesmen for a weeklong training camp in Fort Erie, Ontario. Identifying exactly what is and isn't a penalty was a huge focus.
Each team was sent a DVD showing what the league will be targeting. Campbell also is meeting individually with teams.
"Obviously there is leeway within the rules and it's up to the officials' judgment, but the key areas are in front of the net and in the corners," Campbell said.
Wild coach Jacques Lemaire said players will slowly adjust, but he stressed "slowly," because players instinctively try to slow down opponents who get a lead on them.
"It'll take the whole year. Maybe two years. Maybe three years," Lemaire said. "Not to be negative, but you just can't cut it. ... You'll see it forever. Hopefully, you'll see it less as years go by."
Wild GM Doug Risebrough said it better happen less because the Wild can't afford to constantly be killing penalties.
"I'd say we had six penalties [in Phoenix on] Friday, and if those players are still making those same penalties in four or five games, they probably can't play in the league," Risebrough said.
Coyotes veteran Brett Hull said the dueling power-play games so far have been "painful" to watch.
"I think it's been a jolt of reality for coaches on what they have to do in practice to prepare for games," Hull said. "There's not a lot of sense practicing five-on-five stuff. You need to practice special teams a lot."
Asked if this ultimately could be good for the game, the future Hall of Famer said: "We'll wait and see. No matter what happens, the step to try to do it was the right thing."
In the past, obstruction crackdowns prematurely ended because teams continually complained, Campbell said, and referees didn't want to make "that little call that could decide a game."
"This time, coaches, managers and players can't cut us up and beat us up in front of the fans we're trying to sell the game to," Campbell said.
Campbell still will wait by his phone, though. He said he'll also peruse newspaper clips to see if there's any need to levy fines "if guys cross the line."
"If a big call is made in the last 30 seconds or five minutes of a game, if there's a call made that keeps a team out of the playoffs or knocks them out of the first round, and it starts costing teams money, that'll be the litmus test," Campbell said.
"But this is going to stay for a while. We can't get lax this time."
Michael Russo is atmrusso@startribune.com.
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Originally posted by sonickteam, forum nice guy:
which is why i decided to hold on to Zetterberg.
That's cool, but can you "officially" turn down the trade so it leaves my screen. I'd still be interested in working some sort of trade, especially if you need a center or left winger.
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Friday, September 23, 2005
Burk plans to protest new NHL ad campaign
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ESPN.com news services
The NHL's new advertising campaign is getting attention, but not the kind it was likely hoping for.
According to a report from The Canadian Press, Martha Burk, the chair of the National Council of Women's Organizations, said she intends to write letters of protest to the NHL and NBC over the NHL's new ad campaign, which is set to begin next week.
The first spot, titled "It's Time," shows a player (an actor, not an NHL player) in a locker room, surrounded by candles and accompanied by a woman who ceremoniously helps him don his hockey garb. The ads feature quotes from Sun Tzu's "The Art of War" along with dramatic camera work and music reminiscent of the film "Braveheart."
Burk told The Canadian Press that the ad is "offensive on many levels."
"The woman is dressed provocatively and when she asks the player if he's ready, it's a double-entendre in my view," Burk told The CP. "She's in the ad as a groomer, a sex object.
"The commercial is clearly selling sex and violence and the last image in that commercial is a young boy watching this, so he's clearly the customer they're after, or it's a misguided attempt to draw in families."
NHL spokeswoman Bernadette Mansur told The Canadian Press that was not the case.
"This ad shows no disrespect for women," Mansur told The CP. "On the contrary, the woman is the spiritual and physical trainer for the 'Warrior' and is his mentor."
Players, league personnel and media attended the unveiling of the campaign at The Museum of Television and Radio in Manhattan on Wednesday night.
The ads were conceived by a company called Conductor, an entertainment marketing company that has contributed to campaigns for "Spider-Man" and Green Day music videos.
For the NHL, the team created a series of commercials and print ads that will be released next week. The commercials will be packaged in a five-part story that will unfold through February.
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as i said days ago this is what i had in mind when i heard fantasy hockey but was sorely disappointed when i saw this thread lacked it.
<img src="http://priceless420.com/Pr092705soccermoms.jpg" alt=" - " />
er, um, sort of like this.
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Originally posted by muschi:
as i said days ago this is what i had in mind when i heard fantasy hockey but was sorely disappointed when i saw this thread lacked it.
<img src="http://priceless420.com/Pr092705soccermoms.jpg" alt=" - " />
er, um, sort of like this.
Just what does Arsenal Football Club have to do with this???
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oh really! i thought it was manchester!
"manchesta, so much to answer for, [moan-moan, moan-moan]"
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man, I was in last place for a few days, but alas, I'll have the lead by the weekend!!!!!
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i wasnt paying enough attention, but I will now
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Originally posted by sonickteam, forum nice guy:
man, I was in last place for a few days, but alas, I'll have the lead by the weekend!!!!!
I'll take the consistancy of scorers over the hot-and-cold shutouts of Luongo any day. You and me, sonick, we're going to be battling it out once Mr. All-my-points-come-from-my-goalies falls by the wayside.
Oh, that Savaard for Zetterberg trade is negotiable if you've changed your opinion at all on it.
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Originally posted by [username edited by p.c. moderator]:
Oh, that Savaard for Zetterberg trade is negotiable if you've changed your opinion at all on it.
maybe, Savard is playing well, but was that just the two games against the Crapitals?
oh and Gaborik and Whitney are on IR, did you know that you can place them on your IR and pick up two more guys?
you'll have to drop them when they come off IR but you are allowed to have 2 players on IR.
just a handy hint ;)
and i just picked up Ovechkin, who will be picking up the Calder trophy this year.
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I'll take the consistancy of scorers over the hot-and-cold shutouts of Luongo any day.
your team has 21 goals. mine has 17. i'm lagging in assists, yes, but that won't last. i sense a little luongo-envy...
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Originally posted by BookerT:
your team has 21 goals. mine has 17. i'm lagging in assists, yes, but that won't last. i sense a little luongo-envy...
Luongo is a great goalie (maybe the best fantasy goalie this year), but he's going to have, what, 8 shutouts and go 40 and 30? Do the math on that with our points system, then compare it to a top scorer.
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Originally posted by BookerT:
I'll take the consistancy of scorers over the hot-and-cold shutouts of Luongo any day.
your team has 21 goals. mine has 17. i'm lagging in assists, yes, but that won't last. i sense a little luongo-envy... [/b]
i have Luongo-envy!!! i do.
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Luongo is a great goalie (maybe the best fantasy goalie this year), but he's going to have, what, 8 shutouts and go 40 and 30? Do the math on that with our points system, then compare it to a top scorer.
yes, i realize that the scoring system is set up so that a goalie will have to have one of the all-time great seasons in history to be even one of the top 25 players, but i'm still at a huge competitive advantage w/luongo and hasek over patrick lalime and the edmonton dudes. but i will say i've never played a points system fantasy league before, so it might take me a little while to get used to it and figure out the quirks.
but ask smackie if you think it will be easy to dispose of me.
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Originally posted by BookerT:
but i'm still at a huge competitive advantage w/luongo and hasek over patrick lalime and the edmonton dudes.
Yes, my goalies suck, but when we only dress 2, even the biggest advantage your two are going to give you over mine, I'm thinking, will be negated by the fact I just roll offensive juggernauts out there.
Question - can I change who I dress daily, or once I dress someone are they dressed for a week or whatever?
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Originally posted by [username edited by p.c. moderator]:
Yes, my goalies suck, but when we only dress 2, even the biggest advantage your two are going to give you over mine, I'm thinking, will be negated by the fact I just roll offensive juggernauts out there.
Question - can I change who I dress daily, or once I dress someone are they dressed for a week or whatever?
you can change it daily, you can set it each day in advance as well
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Originally posted by BookerT:
but ask smackie if you think it will be easy to dispose of me.
April 1 can't come soon enough....
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Originally posted by p011@rd:
you can change it daily, you can set it each day in advance as well
OK, thanks, I see how to do that now. That should help.
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FANTASY HOCKEY!!!!
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by BookerT:
but ask smackie if you think it will be easy to dispose of me.
April 1 can't come soon enough.... [/b]
you sound like a Yankees fan!!! ;)
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well, i should be getting more goals, now that kovalchuk is signed. . .next up, waiting for nash to heal.
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
well, i should be getting more goals, now that kovalchuk is signed. . .next up, waiting for nash to heal.
Ha, I can understand those frustrations. I drafted Datsyuk in the 5th round with him signed in Russia. Also, my team, too has seen some big injuries... Gaborik, Ryan Smyth, Tkachuk. Hopefully when they get back to full strength I can really get the offense rolling.
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Originally posted by [username edited by p.c. moderator]:
Also, my team, too has seen some big injuries... Tkachuk. Hopefully when they get back to full strength I can really get the offense rolling.
ha ha ha. . .tkachuk certainly is a "big" injury. . .and, some would argue that he is already at full strength.
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Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
ha ha ha. . .tkachuk certainly is a "big" injury. . .and, some would argue that he is already at full strength.
I meant "injured" in that he's not even playing. I knew his output would be down from 2 years ago, and was only counting on him as my third LW, a position I have a glut at anyway. Smyth hurts me, and I think Gaborik, when he's back, will tear the place up under the new rules.