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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: 930needsbettersound on February 27, 2004, 04:02:00 pm
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I don't know who is to blame for bad audio. If it's the 9:30 Club or whoever the band has touring with them for sound, but what I do know is that when the band came out and the lead singer
was blowing the veins out his neck like I've never seen him before to knock the socks off of every single mother f-er in the audience... and you couldn't hear a single note he was singing. For two whole songs! Somebody needs to get their ass kicked. So I immediately go down to the 899 channel audio board in the back of the room. Not a soul behind the board. Not even the blur of somebody running so fast to solve the problem they've left a ghostly image behind. What you
got was a guy calmly walking from around the corner going into the booth, who as he passed I said, "Hey man, you can't hear the lead singer." He mutters, "Yeah you can." Sure, you can hear the lead singer. BLOWING THE VEINS OUT HIS NECK to rock the socks off every mother f-er in the crowd. But you don't hear anything in the speakers. Which is connected to the audio board. Which is connected to the lead singers microphone. A few seconds of standing there and I'm not sure if it's all the blank stares from the crowd in front of him, or if his ear which is connected to his ass, which is connected to his brain, finally figures things out. But scramble mode kicks in. Panic. Confusion. But no audio.
At this point I snap. I'm tired of the "Best Concert Venue on the East Coast" sucking all the time. Whether it's bass levels so high the speakers are cracking or generally the vocals so lost in a sea of garbled sound that you wonder if you're listening to the show underwater. I go the ticket office to demand a full refund. "Sorry, no refunds." Where can I complain? "You can use the Forum." So there is nobody I can talk to about why the audio is always bad here. "No, there is nobody you can talk to." Robot monkeys. The world is run... by
robot monkeys.
Walking back into the main room I hear the sound of someone shouting, "They've got the audio, the singer has audio." The audience is applauding
in the middle of the song not for joy, but to explain that now they can actually hear the show. Honestly, for the band the show was already over. They could play the songs and sing like they meant it, but the heart had left the building. And this is before the piano couldn't be heard and the bass player couldn't be heard. I truely felt sorry for them. Ultimately,
great to see them and brilliant music. But like them, I went home angry.
Professional solution. Stop the show, fix the problem and start over. But is the 9:30 Club, the audio techs and the band all professional to
handle that? I guess we'll never know.
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Robot Monkeys.
Can I use that for a band name if I ever learn how to play an instrument and find three other people who would actually want to be in a band with me?
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I think the only people the Walkmen have to blame for a sub-par live show is themselves. Granted, no vocals for the first two songs was a little bogus, but that didn't make up for the complete lack of energy for a majority of the songs. I still like them on record, but doubt I'll ever see them again.
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It is not the best music venue on the East Coast, it is nationwide. Best nightclub venue in the nation. At least get your basics straight dude.
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I wasn't at the club last night so I have no idea who was doing sound. But, various members of the 9:30 staph, including Seth the owner, check in. So hopefully they can give you a better answer as to what was going on last night.
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As much as I disliked Weird War the first time I saw them, I have to admit that they were the best out of the three last night.
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Thirsty and I share a brain. While the Walkmen did hit some hit points (notably "Thinking of a Dream I Had," "Wake Up," and "Little House of Savages"), they were definitely not a live band. At least Weird War showed marked improvement over the last time I saw them. Man, that guitarist can wail!
Originally posted by thirsty moore:
As much as I disliked Weird War the first time I saw them, I have to admit that they were the best out of the three last night.
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I hear it is the best place in the world, period. Sort of wish I had gotten married and had my honeymoon there.
Originally posted by no teddy:
It is not the best music venue on the East Coast, it is nationwide. Best nightclub venue in the nation. At least get your basics straight dude.
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Kosmo, that would be fantastic.
It's responses like "no teddy" that almost kept me from using this Forum in the first place, but if it eventually gathers an intelligent response from somebody then my time last night and on this Forum will be worth it. Thanks.
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Originally posted by nkotbie:
I think the only people the Walkmen have to blame for a sub-par live show is themselves. Granted, no vocals for the first two songs was a little bogus, but that didn't make up for the complete lack of energy for a majority of the songs. I still like them on record, but doubt I'll ever see them again.
There's also the fact that we saw three bands play on the same equipment (did you notice the drums never moved? the amps were the same??) and it worked for all the other bands. It just seems... odd. I too say their fault
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Originally posted by thirsty moore:
As much as I disliked Weird War the first time I saw them, I have to admit that they were the best out of the three last night.
the main annoyance when i saw them (open for ted leo) was the overly dramatic in-between song banter. however, the one make-up cd i have is kinda wack
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Let me explain a few things to you.
First of all, your impression of a sound system is overly simplified. There are many components between the microphone and the sound console, so thre are many places where the problem could lie, either in an individual component or the connecting cables.
Therefore, the way to troubleshoot a problem is to gradually eliminate the possible causes, beginning with the most likely cause and proceeding from there.
In this case, it was obvious that the singer could hear himself through the stage monitors, eliminating 1 possible cause: Microphone not turned on [yes this happens occasionally]. This also indicated that the signal was arriving at the monitor console correctly. Therefore, the problem had to be somewhere in the signal path between the splitter, which takes the single signal from the microphone and sends it to both the monitor console and the front of house console, and the front of house console itself.
Since it was obvious the second the guy opened his mouth that something was wrong, the first step was to look at the vocal channel on the FOH console to be sure everything was turned on, which it was. So the engineer ran back behind the stage where the splitter and other components are located, to check those. That's why there wasn't anyone behind the board when you went there to insert yourself into the situation...he was already well on his way to fixing the problem. Let me assure you that the last thing ANYBODY who is trying to solve ANY problem in a crunch situation needs is somebody interrupting their train of thought to tell them what they already know.
It turned out the components in the backstage area were fine, narrowing the possible causes still further to the front of house area, where in addition to the sound console there are a number of effects and equalization components that could have been involved.
As it turned out it was one cable that went bad, preventing the signal from reaching the sound console. Sometimes this happens, and there's not a damn thing you can do about it. Everything works fine at soundcheck, and then during the show something doesn't. Guess what? Shit happens.
Contrary to your opinion, the professional thing to do is not to stop the show, but to correct the problem as quickly as possible as the show continues. It's also easier to fix a problem while it is actually occurring rather than stopping and trying to recreate it. This particular problem was repaired pretty quickly considering how many things could have been causing it, and how many potential obstacles there are in the signal path.
Regarding the other issues you mention, it's purely bad luck that the bass rig blew up, and there's nothing the sound engineer can do about that from behind the sound board. If you weren't so busy being pissed off, you might have noticed our stage tech assisting the bass player with his amp, and then rewiring the bass to bypass the amp when it became apparent that it had blown up. Sometimes amps blow, and that's just the way it goes. The only thing you can do is deal with it on the spot.
The guys in the Walkmen have been performing musicians for well over 10 years, and they know that sometimes unforeseen problems occur during shows. That wasn't the first time they've had technical problems during a show and they know it won't be the last. Far from becoming panicked or disheartened, they recovered well and went on to give us a fine show, even with the additional bass amp distraction. The only "heart that had left the building" was yours.
The bottom line here is that live performances are not an exact science. They are a spontaneous, in-the-moment creation with many variables that affect the whole. Sometimes technical problems occur and need to be dealt with. Other times a band member may turn their amp up so loud that it drowns out the other players and/or the vocals, which the sound engineer is powerless to fix because the volume is coming from the stage not through the sound console. Sometimes the singer grips the microphone the wrong way, muffling their own vocals, which the engineer is also powerless to correct. Other times the band is tired, or ill, or not getting along, or just having a bad day, all of which can affect the show. Our technical staff deals with all of these problems, and many more, on a daily basis. Often, the concert-goers don't even know that a major problem occurred and was dealt with in the most professional manner possible. That's a major reason why we have been recognized multiple times by our peers in the music industry as the best club in the country. That's a major reason why bands look forward to coming back here to play. If you have a hard time dealing with the spontaneous nature of live performances, maybe seeing shows just isn't your thing and you would be happier to remain in a more controlled environment, i.e. on your couch, listening to your favorite already recorded music.
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excellent job twangirl!
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As twangirl put it, some problems are pretty routine. But sometimes you just gotta stop: When I saw the Screaming Blue Messiahs back in '86 on F St., a stage outlet caught fire. The band dropped (literally) their instruments and left the stage for about 20 minutes while repairs were made. Bill Carter, the singer/guitarist, broke more strings that night than all the other guitarists I've seen combined. But he never stopped. When he broke too many he threw (again literally) his guitar to the roadie who had a kit specially designed for quick string replacement.
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Great post twangirl. I've been to probably 100 shows at both the old and new 930 and the sound is usually excellent. Sure I've seen a problem or two, but the if it's been in the club's power to do so, they've almost always been fixed immediately
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Thanks for the professional response twangirl. I'm not going to get into the pissing contest that you've started, but I guess I'll take your assessment of the technical problems of the show since you seemed to be "in the know." Though you didn't say how or why you know these facts.
I guess you were too busy backstage accepting awards from your peers, but unfortunately the technical aspects of a concert are only part of the equation. There is a audience as well. Something else the music industry has forgotten about. I know the Walkmen as well as I know you, but I was able to recognize a home town crowd. A home coming, home town crowd. Ask some of your buddies checking ID's of grandfathers at the door.
It was obivous to anyone with a soul that the lead singer busting his balls out for the home coming crowd for two opening songs, only to find out after the fact that nobody could even hear you, would be a major downer. Despite the fact that you've been performing musicians for well over 10 years. The fact that guess what, more shit happenend. Didn't help things. In retrospect I love the band more than ever now, because it proved they cared about audience.
You on the other hand, I'm not so sure. There is a countless number of jobs in the world, technical or otherwise that are performed by a countless number of people behind the scenes. Unknown. Unrecognized. Unthanked. If you're looking for thank you's in your job go hand out medicine in a third world country. Otherwise go home knowing that you've performed your job the best you can.
In this case, sorry it didn't happen. I've gotten off the couch to go to enough shows in my lifetime to know there ain't nothing wrong with stopping a show to make sure everything is alright. For the band AND the audience. And it seemed like a lot wasn't alright.
As for your run down of the many ways the band can screw up the audio at the 9:30 Club. Well, I guess that's informative and priceless. Debating with you the fine points of that and all the snide comments you made would be a waste of your time and mine. But if it helps you in the future, thanks for all the hard work you and your fellow engineers perform day in and day out. Just remember, the audience is listening.
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Thanks for the post twangirl. It was very informative.
For the record, from what I heard of the walkmen last night, they sounded much much better than the previous time I had seen them in New York.
I am not entirely sure what some people expect from a $12 live experience. The unpredictability is surely part of the charm.
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Weird War had a couple of good songs, but in the end they sound like they are one synthesizer away from being an 80's one hit wonder novelty act. I would like them alot more without the introduction to philosophy stage banter.
The Walkmen were a bit of a letdown, especially when compared to their last show in DC at the Black Cat, which was one of the best concerts I have seen.
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I used to have one of the original Walkmans
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and it kicked Ipods ass!
The sound was grrrrrrrrrrrrrrreat!
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I was really worried for the Walkmen's bass guitarist when he couldn't get the amps workin' or something. Yah, there were some problems, but I liked it anyway. Just be more careful next time, ok robot monkeys?
The the lead singer of Weird War? Darn entertaining. I wish that guy was my brother, but I sorta don't. He's cool.
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I was told I should check this thread out.
First, Twangirl is in the know. She is omnipotent as far as the 9:30 is concerned. As to the way things can go wrong with sound, I can give you another 20 if you would like, 30 if I spend some time thinking. Pretty much, anything and everything can and will go wrong, and there is so much going on that you can not have 100% confidence that everything will work right every night. Bands and their crews are well aware of this and deal with it. Why do you think they have spare guitars, snares, and amps?
Here is the path from his microphone to the FOH board at the 9:30:
Mic
cable
sub-snake
patch panel/splitter
house snake
FOH
Not that simple a path, and often the cables are reused and just patched down at the splitter so if that has not been changed then you get no vocals (or whatever was in that channel). Sometimes you can quickly find the channel that the mispatched line is coming out and run it there until you correct the problem. To keep this from happening you often will see a line check before the band comes out. And even then something can go wrong in that 5 minutes. Since it was not a patch problem, all you can do is find the problem and fix it ASAP. Not an easy thing to do.
I work sound at the 9:30 on occasion (was not there that night), and wonder what you mean by vocals lost in a sea of garbled sound and the bass so high or low, blah blah blah. What shows was this the case at, what vocals, when? Details are needed if you wish the problem to be fixed. For all I know you were standing in the one spot that sucks (right against the stage), and there is nothing anyone can do to fix the problem. So, give some information and we can see what the problem might be and how to correct it.
That said, many times it is the engineers with the bands, and sometimes their whole PA that is in the club. We do very little with the actual sound those nights, and still people will bitch that we did something wrong.
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I have seen many a show in many a dump with a sound system crappier than my computer speakers. Far and away, the 930 sound is the best I've heard, and I can't remember the last time I commented badly on the sound there. i'm sure I have, but since I don't remember, it obviously wasn't that bad. Go bitch someplace else...they had some problems, get over it. Catch 'em again the next time they're in town. Jeez...
And Twangirl wasn't trying to start something with you, she was just trying to tell you the straight deal, and in her own way, to stop bitching. No need to cop an attitude just cause you missed two songs.
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One of the differences between great bands and crappy ones is how they handle the situation during equipment failures, which happen to all of them at some point.
Peter Murphy lost all the sound apart from his microphone one time I saw him...he looked really ruffled but simply picked up an accoustic guitar and kept going 'unplugged' until it could be fixed then once it was, just apologized but said everything is back online and continued the show....a professional way to handle it.
The Waterboys at 930 lost the amplification for the fiddle last time they played the 930. Mike Scott simply made a joke about it can't be the Waterboys without a fiddler then they took a moment to sort the problem out while Mike Scott chatted to the crowd....another professional way to handle it.
Shit happens, it's how they handle the shit that happens that makes the difference to me.
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I think 9:30 should implement a $$ back guarantee policy on all ticket purchases. Don't all venues have something like that?
I want my money back!
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Originally posted by chaz:
I think 9:30 should implement a $$ back guarantee policy on all ticket purchases. Don't all venues have something like that?
I want my money back!
But should it be pro-rated based on the portion of the show you watched? To be safe they will have you wait by the window outside until the show is over so that they can calculate what percent you watched.
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Originally posted by chaz:
I think 9:30 should implement a $$ back guarantee policy on all ticket purchases. Don't all venues have something like that?
I want my money back!
No offense but that's stupid.
That's like saying if the band don't play your favorite song you want a refund, or if you go to a sporting event and your favorite team loses you want your money back.
If you don't want the chances of something going wrong at a LIVE PERFORMANCE, then stay home and watch MTV.
It's LIVE that's part of the experience of a live performance.
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Originally posted by mankie:
Originally posted by chaz:
I think 9:30 should implement a $$ back guarantee policy on all ticket purchases. Don't all venues have something like that?
I want my money back!
No offense but that's stupid.
That's like saying if the band don't play your favorite song you want a refund, or if you go to a sporting event and your favorite team loses you want your money back.
If you don't want the chances of something going wrong at a LIVE PERFORMANCE, then stay home and watch MTV.
It's LIVE that's part of the experience of a live performance. [/b]
I think chaz was kidding. Or at least I hope he was.
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Originally posted by redsock:
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I think chaz was kidding. Or at least I hope he was. [/QB]
With a name like Chaz...you can never be sure.
;)
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Originally posted by mankie:
One of the differences between great bands and crappy ones is how they handle the situation during equipment failures, which happen to all of them at some point.
This reminds me of when I saw T-Bone Burnett on F St. in the late 80s. He was solo acoustic. As he tried to play there was a loud thump that repeated unrhythmically. It threw him off completely, as it would just about anybody. He unplugged and leaned from the stage as far as he could over the crowd and played. He never left the stage while the sound was fixed.
Also, I heard a U2 bootleg on which the sequencer at the beginning of "Bad" ragged out. Bono said "Oh, that's really bad..." He then told a joke while it was fixed (no, I don't remember the joke).
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Another professional response: the PA went out at a Replacements show at the Tower Theater in Philly, so the band just turned the monitors around to face the audience and played two quieter songs (Nightclub Jitters and Cruella de Ville) until the problem was fixed. And then Paul invited the audience to get a drink with the band at Brownie's, a bar down the street, after the show.
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Yes...just kidding.
Oh how I wish I was there to see 5019 ask for a refund.
"I demand a full refund!"
"No refunds."
"Well then I want to complain to The Manager!"
"Post you complaints on The Forum."
5019, I hope your visit with us has been illuminating.
Originally posted by redsock:
Originally posted by mankie:
Originally posted by chaz:
I think 9:30 should implement a $$ back guarantee policy on all ticket purchases. Don't all venues have something like that?
I want my money back!
No offense but that's stupid.
That's like saying if the band don't play your favorite song you want a refund, or if you go to a sporting event and your favorite team loses you want your money back.
If you don't want the chances of something going wrong at a LIVE PERFORMANCE, then stay home and watch MTV.
It's LIVE that's part of the experience of a live performance. [/b]
I think chaz was kidding. Or at least I hope he was. [/b]
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since you guys are talkin about sound...can someone explain the difference between nation's sound and 930's sound. i like the 930 club alot better of course, ive seen prob 20-30 shows there and around 7 at nation...anyway, the one complaint i always have with 930 is it seems to never be loud enough. and nation, sometimes is too loud, but usually it's just loud enough. maybe it's b/c i play the drums and listen to music loudly, but is there anybody else that thinks 930 needs to turn that shit up a little bit?
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Originally posted by jakez468:
since you guys are talkin about sound...can someone explain the difference between nation's sound and 930's sound. i like the 930 club alot better of course, ive seen prob 20-30 shows there and around 7 at nation...anyway, the one complaint i always have with 930 is it seems to never be loud enough. and nation, sometimes is too loud, but usually it's just loud enough. maybe it's b/c i play the drums and listen to music loudly, but is there anybody else that thinks 930 needs to turn that shit up a little bit?
Nope, not me. (I'm a wuss I know.)
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Guess you've never seen Motorhead here Jake. And there's plenty of other bands that play exceptionally loudly when they're here.
As Sir HC has previously mentioned, 9 times out of 10 the bands have their own sound engineers, and sometimes they bring in their own PA systems too. The volume of a show is largely determined by the band's volume level coming off the stage, and what their engineer does with it. Also, if a show is very crowded, the audience absorbs soundwaves, whereas if a show is sparsely attended, there are more places for the soundwaves to bounce around, so it sounds louder.
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Originally posted by jakez468:
since you guys are talkin about sound...can someone explain the difference between nation's sound and 930's sound. i like the 930 club alot better of course, ive seen prob 20-30 shows there and around 7 at nation...anyway, the one complaint i always have with 930 is it seems to never be loud enough. and nation, sometimes is too loud, but usually it's just loud enough. maybe it's b/c i play the drums and listen to music loudly, but is there anybody else that thinks 930 needs to turn that shit up a little bit?
I haven't seen a rock concert at Nation in ages, but know that their sound system is biased for that rave culture and the insane volumes for that. 9:30 as a club venue doesn't go for the deep stadium bass (below 30 Hz) and can get exceedingly loud (come to the Crystal Method show and say it is not loud). Still I would say that part of the reason that it sounds better is that it isn't as loud. I find that as you get louder the ears start to compress and distort the sound. It becomes a wash of noise. Now as a drummer you might have a bit more damage than most so things would seem a bit quieter than for the rest of us.
Still in general, for clubs when I mix, I watch the crowd and if they are too busy talking I will kick it up a notch, if they are covering their ears or backing away from the front I will turn it down. If they are really enjoying it, I leave the level where it is.
Another thing to remember is different engineers have different mixing styles, it is funny to see the same band come around with someone different at the board and their sound changes.
I would also say that Nation might have more power, but then again it is a bigger room.
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Good points...I guess it does vary from show to show. Fatboy slim was adequately loud, and hot hot heat was a bit quite. I will be at the TCM show, love them. Are they gonna be in the center of the crowd, or the stage?
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Originally posted by jakez468:
Good points...I guess it does vary from show to show. Fatboy slim was adequately loud, and hot hot heat was a bit quite. I will be at the TCM show, love them. Are they gonna be in the center of the crowd, or the stage?
Both times they have been there before they were on the main stage as they constantly are bringing synths on and off stage. This is not their DJ gig but their real music show. Their sound man also works for Hatebreed (at least some tours) and is exceptionally loud.
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if the vocals and bass can't be heard, the show should be stopped. that's just common sense.
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Some of the loudest shows I've ever seen?
Beastie Boys w/L7 in 1992 @ Aragon Ballroom, Chicago
Sugar in 1993 @ Aragon
Oasis in 1993 @ 9:30 (their first tour)
Filter in 2000 @ 9:30
I missed Dinosaur jr. but heard they often topped out around 130db, much like Sugar. Some shows you can literally feel the music IN you...other times the sound coming out of the PA is like a gentle breeze. Glad I started wearing earplugs after that Beasties show.
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Originally posted by bunnyman:
I missed Dinosaur jr. but heard they often topped out around 130db,
I saw Dinosaur at the old club. Definitely the loudest show I've ever seen. Painful, but awesome show. The Ramones at the Wax Museum (7/1/84) was probably second loudest. I seem to recall Gumball at the old club being crazy loud too. My loudest show at the new 9:30 was probably The Cramps (11/11/97).
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i saw dino twice, once in an outdoor venue, once indoors. so loud. its funny, now mascis tours acoustic most of the time, so he doesn't have to have a van, just his car.
i saw built to spill in a small venue in pittsburgh. the back wall is (was) entirely too close, my ears hurt for like 3 days
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Loudest shows, what?
Skinny Puppy, Too Dark Park tour, Ritchie Colliseum in College Park. At the board it was running 125-126 dB continuous. With ear plugs I had to stand outside for a while to gather my bearings.
Love and Rockets Hot Trip To Heaven tour at the 9:30. For some songs it was hear the BASS, hear the band between notes. Insane loud there.
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The Jesus and Mary Chain in 1992 was pretty damn loud, too...I heard My Bloody Valentine in 1991 was so loud that people were actually going to the bathroom to stuff their ears with toilet paper. Seemed like for a while there bands were just loud as hell...I saw Helmet, Jawbox, and the Jesus Lizard all in the same week and they were all ear-splitting shows. Ministry too.
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How about Iron and Wine? Man, are they loud!
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My Bloody Valentine is the first show that comes to mind as one of the loudest ever at the old club. I remember being really pissed off at them because they were so painfully loud that it was impossible to enjoy what they were playing.
At the new club, Mogwai was definitely one of the loudest so far the first time they played here. Their engineer was seen "mixing", if you can call it that, while wearing those earmuffs like the airport runway workers wear, and they blew up a bunch of our gear too. Last time they were here wasn't anywhere near as loud.
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Mogwai at the new Ottobar is the loudest show I've ever seen. I don't know what I would have done if NKOTBIE didn't bring a pair of earplugs for me.
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MANOWAR!! WORLDS LOUDEST LIVE BAND!!
From the official bio:
When Manowar joined forces with a new label, they signed their recording contract in blood (becoming the first band to demonstrate their commitment this way). Their second release, "Into Glory Ride" featured the debut of Scott Columbus, a man so viscous with the sticks that standard drum kits simply fell to pieces under his awesome attack-hence the need for custom built, stainless steel drums.
Recorded and mixed in six days, Manowar's third album was titled "Hall to England." It heralded the band's debut tour of Great Britain. Not since the Vikings invaded northeast England in 878 had the isles seen such all-consuming power. The whole of Europe fell prey to Manowar with the "Spectacle Of Might" tour as the band slashed and burned their way across the Continent in support of their forth album, "Sign Of The Hammer." It was then that Manowar entered the Guinness Book of World Records as the world's loudest band.
RAAAAWWWWKKKK!!!
oh yeah and I think Explosions in the Sky is the loudest band I've ever seen...although City of Caterpillar, Ex Models and An Albatross all came close.
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Originally posted by bunnyman:
The Jesus and Mary Chain in 1992 was pretty damn loud, too...I heard My Bloody Valentine in 1991 was so loud that people were actually going to the bathroom to stuff their ears with toilet paper. Seemed like for a while there bands were just loud as hell...I saw Helmet, Jawbox, and the Jesus Lizard all in the same week and they were all ear-splitting shows. Ministry too.
Saw MBV in 1992 at Hammerjacks. Wore plugs, needed plugs. They ended with You Made Me Realise and did 10 minutes of pure noise at maximum volume. First time I have seen that many people with hands on ears. Still was an amazing show.
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Originally posted by walkie hearts you all:
MANOWAR!! WORLDS LOUDEST LIVE BAND!!
From the official bio:
When Manowar joined forces with a new label, they signed their recording contract in blood (becoming the first band to demonstrate their commitment this way). Their second release, "Into Glory Ride" featured the debut of Scott Columbus, a man so viscous with the sticks that standard drum kits simply fell to pieces under his awesome attack-hence the need for custom built, stainless steel drums.
Recorded and mixed in six days, Manowar's third album was titled "Hall to England." It heralded the band's debut tour of Great Britain. Not since the Vikings invaded northeast England in 878 had the isles seen such all-consuming power. The whole of Europe fell prey to Manowar with the "Spectacle Of Might" tour as the band slashed and burned their way across the Continent in support of their forth album, "Sign Of The Hammer." It was then that Manowar entered the Guinness Book of World Records as the world's loudest band.
RAAAAWWWWKKKK!!!
oh yeah and I think Explosions in the Sky is the loudest band I've ever seen...although City of Caterpillar, Ex Models and An Albatross all came close.
Manowar, oh Manowar. The guy at Thunderdome knows their engineer. When they did the Guiness record they had no audience, just a huge PA in an empty field. Kind of defeats the point, but still I have heard they are extremely loud.
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MBV in 91 ranks up there among the loudest I've heard, a complete wall of noise, but the Butthole Surfers opening for the DKs in 85 at WUST is the only time I recall having to go to the back of a venue to be able to stand the volume.