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Title: anyone else mad that the 930 cares more about money than
Post by: marvin_mooney on February 17, 2003, 04:39:00 pm: i mean, since the baltimore show at fletchers was cancelled, and since i would bet that 80% of people are still snowbound due to secondary and tertiary roads being as yet unplowed, and maryland still in a state of emergency, it seems shitty that the club basically says "well, come or lose your money, we don't care" the reason for the show still being on is that the guy i spoke to said that the band had made it in from philly. Yea, that's a hard drive pal, an hour and a half on a FEDERAL SNOW EMERGENCY road, no doubt plowed many times over. most of us live off of side streets and such, getting there is not an option for us. i feel very angry about being left out to dry by the clubp.s. bet this is censored
Title: Re: anyone else mad that the 930 cares more about money than
Post by: marvin_mooney on February 17, 2003, 04:44:00 pm: this is about the ladytron show by the way. people that can get there, enjoy it, wish the club wasn't so money hungry they want people to risk their lives
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Post by: lily1 on February 17, 2003, 04:48:00 pm: you've got a point, but the club has a point too. and in this case, with the band already in the area, it made sense to hold the show. however, i can see your frustration. i read in the paper the mci center did the same thing last night, until they finally relented and offered those that couldn't make the disney on ice show (hey, i wasn't going, i read it in the paper) a refund or tickets to the upcoming circus instead.
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Post by: Ikarus on February 17, 2003, 04:48:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by marvin_mooney: p.s. bet this is censored<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>no, i bet your idiocy is mocked. from what i understand, the club usually makes its money from alcohol. the band gets the ticket sales. so if no customers show to buy booze, the band gets paid and the club loses money owing to extreme overhead (staff, electricity, etc).
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Post by: lily1 on February 17, 2003, 04:50:00 pm: i had forgotten that. but its true, most of the profits are from beverage sales. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Ikarus: from what i understand, the club usually makes its money from alcohol. the band gets the ticket sales. so if no customers show to buy booze, the band gets paid and the club loses money owing to extreme overhead (staff, electricity, etc).<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Title: Re: anyone else mad that the 930 cares more about money than
Post by: marvin_mooney on February 17, 2003, 04:58:00 pm: hey ikarus,keep bending over and taking from the 930.i don't care where the club makes it's money from. i just think it's shitty that they would cancel a show at one club, and not another, especially since maryland is STILL IN A STATE OF EMERGENCY.you are the idiot my friend
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Post by: Got Haggis? on February 17, 2003, 05:05:00 pm: 930 club is in DC (http://www.930.com/ubb/wink.gif)
Title: Re: anyone else mad that the 930 cares more about money than
Post by: marvin_mooney on February 17, 2003, 05:10:00 pm: quick geography lessonDC IS DIRECTLY CONNECTED WITH MARYLAND and LOTS OF PEOPLE THAT WOULD HAVE GONE TO THE SHOW ARE FROM MARYLAND
Title: Re: anyone else mad that the 930 cares more about money than
Post by: markie on February 17, 2003, 06:17:00 pm: If you cant go to a show for any reason that is your loss.If they cancelled the show I imagine many others would be disappointed and complain.Then again thinking of others isnt a big deal around here is it.Oh and before a business can acheive any of its goals it needs to make money........
Title: Re: anyone else mad that the 930 cares more about money than
Post by: Sir HC on February 17, 2003, 06:25:00 pm: Where in Maryland are you. Not near a metro station? The roads aren't that bad, I just drove in to work. The state of emergency was for sunday not monday (well 4am it was up). Dig out (took me 4 hours but it was worth it) and go.
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Post by: MAXX44 on February 17, 2003, 06:26:00 pm: all this bitching about a $15 ticket?
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Post by: Herr Professor Doktor Doom on February 17, 2003, 06:27:00 pm: Why should the DC patrons of a DC club suffer a cancelled show just because Marylanders are too lazy-assed to get out of their snowbound SUVs and walk to the show? <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by marvin_mooney: quick geography lessonDC IS DIRECTLY CONNECTED WITH MARYLAND and LOTS OF PEOPLE THAT WOULD HAVE GONE TO THE SHOW ARE FROM MARYLAND<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Title: Re: anyone else mad that the 930 cares more about money than
Post by: Ikarus on February 17, 2003, 06:29:00 pm: no need to shout. good to see aol still has customers these days though.this post was just eerily reminiscent of a conversation yesterday with thatguy and fluffy. if the show goes on and some people can't make it, the 930 gets badmouthed. if the show is postponed and some people can't get to the make-up date or a refund, the club gest badmouthed. i suppose the fairest thing to do is cancel the show and give everyone a refund, but even though its 'fair', everyone loses. bands like to play, the 930 likes to host a show, but ya know, the best laid plans of mice and men...botton line is that shit happens. sometimes you gotta deal with it.
Title: Re: anyone else mad that the 930 cares more about money than
Post by: ggw on February 17, 2003, 06:31:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by marvin_mooney: this is about the ladytron show by the way. people that can get there, enjoy it, wish the club wasn't so money hungry they want people to risk their lives<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>The band probably doesn't want to cancel, since they are here. So doesn't that make the band money-hungry?Why are you listening to music made by money-hungry pigs?
Title: Re: anyone else mad that the 930 cares more about money than
Post by: poorlulu on February 17, 2003, 06:36:00 pm: waa waa waai'm from maryland .........it's not fair......waa waagod how old are you? life isn't fair deal with it.........you've almost made me want to go to the show and tell you how good it was........
Title: Re: anyone else mad that the 930 cares more about money than
Post by: SamZeb on February 17, 2003, 06:38:00 pm: You mean you wouldn't rather stay home and watch the 2-hour finale of Joe Millionaire?:-O
Title: Re: anyone else mad that the 930 cares more about money than
Post by: poorlulu on February 17, 2003, 06:52:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by SamZeb: You mean you wouldn't rather stay home and watch the 2-hour finale of Joe Millionaire?:-O<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>well of course i would and will..........i wanna see which piece of white trash wins...........oh and remember the real winner is the one he doesn't pick..........
Title: Re: anyone else mad that the 930 cares more about money than
Post by: marvin_mooney on February 17, 2003, 07:08:00 pm: poor lulu-get aidsdr. doom- "Why should the DC patrons of a DC club suffer a cancelled show just because Marylanders are too lazy-assed to get out of their snowbound SUVs and walk to the show?" way to assume jackass, i have a small sedan, that is already shoveled out. the roads are just shitty, plain and simple. even the dc metro has extremely reduced service. also, i forget you fucks on mt. dc get mad when someone wants to come to your shithole. keep bending over for the 9:30, they love it. and yea, the ticket was only $15 ER $20 with that lovely service charge, but when you are in school,that adds up, so go be a jackass somewhere else. bet your going to the sum 41 one show cockchowder.
Title: Re: anyone else mad that the 930 cares more about money than
Post by: poorlulu on February 17, 2003, 07:11:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by marvin_mooney: poor lulu-get aidsdr. doom- "Why should the DC patrons of a DC club suffer a cancelled show just because Marylanders are too lazy-assed to get out of their snowbound SUVs and walk to the show?" way to assume jackass, i have a small sedan, that is already shoveled out. the roads are just shitty, plain and simple. even the dc metro has extremely reduced service. also, i forget you fucks on mt. dc get mad when someone wants to come to your shithole. keep bending over for the 9:30, they love it. and yea, the ticket was only $15 ER $20 with that lovely service charge, but when you are in school,that adds up, so go be a jackass somewhere else. bet your going to the sum 41 one show cockchowder. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> erm........are you sure you are actually old enough to drive..........?awwwww will mommy not take you to the show tonight.............?
Title: Re: anyone else mad that the 930 cares more about money than
Post by: Herr Professor Doktor Doom on February 17, 2003, 07:19:00 pm: Why should DC patrons have to suffer because you don't want to drive your already-shoveled-out El Camino from your hick outside-the-beltway suburb into town because you're too lazy to put chains on the tires? <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by marvin_mooney: poor lulu-get aidsdr. doom-way to assume jackass, i have a small sedan, that is already shoveled out. the roads are just shitty, plain and simple. even the dc metro has extremely reduced service. also, i forget you fucks on mt. dc get mad when someone wants to come to your shithole. keep bending over for the 9:30, they love it. and yea, the ticket was only $15 ER $20 with that lovely service charge, but when you are in school,that adds up, so go be a jackass somewhere else. bet your going to the sum 41 one show cockchowder. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Title: Re: anyone else mad that the 930 cares more about money than
Post by: ggw on February 17, 2003, 07:25:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by marvin_mooney: i have a small penis<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Title: Re: anyone else mad that the 930 cares more about money than
Post by: marvin_mooney on February 17, 2003, 07:29:00 pm: enough of this childish insult and name -callingWhile the 930 club is a business and obviously can't really call off the show if the band is there and they are from overseas, they should give refunds to the patrons who cannot make it due to the snow. I am a big fan, and I am really upset that I cannot go to the show..however, I am TOTALLY snowed in in baltimore..i have already dug out my car, but my road is totally unplowed and there is no way my car is gonna make it. Even the snowplow sent to plow out the road got stuck! I walked to the convenience store on the main road, and even that is icy and slippery...there was NO ONE out! It is very dangerous, unless you have 4 WD. they souuld not penalize peole for being smart enough to not drive in dangerous conditions. Even DC has the metro limited to underground rails only and 1 train per hour. I think it is very uinfair to penalize me and everyone else in the MD and VA area without a 4 WD or acess to the metro/ busses...$20 may not seem like a lot to you, but i have little money. It is a matter of principle and integrity on the part of the 930 club as well. Concert tickets cost money cause you are paying for a service, The 930 club is raking in thousands from patrons who are not recieving the service that they paid for, through no fault of their own. That is bad business, and it is unfair...fine, enjoy the show for those of you lucky enough to get there...as fro the rest of us...please refund our money for the service we did not recieve through no fault of our own!!
Title: Re: anyone else mad that the 930 cares more about money than
Post by: jadetree on February 17, 2003, 07:33:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by marvin_mooney: The 930 club is raking in thousands from patrons who are not recieving the service that they paid for <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I HIGHLY doubt it.
Title: Re: anyone else mad that the 930 cares more about money than
Post by: Joymonster on February 17, 2003, 07:34:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by SamZeb: You mean you wouldn't rather stay home and watch the 2-hour finale of Joe Millionaire?:-O<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I would. But I'm going to see Ladytron anyways.
Title: Re: anyone else mad that the 930 cares more about money than
Post by: poorlulu on February 17, 2003, 07:36:00 pm: Quote
Originally posted by marvin_mooney: While the 930 club is a business and obviously can't really call off the show if the band is there and they are from overseas,errr exactly well done you for working that one out............did your mum explain it to you.......?they should give refunds to the patrons who cannot make it due to the snow. errr no cos as great as seth is he didn't cause the snow, these things happen sorry you are unable to attend but that's no-ones fault ...........you pay your money and you take your chances.oh and incidently you started the name calling .............twat
Title: Re: anyone else mad that the 930 cares more about money than
Post by: Sir HC on February 17, 2003, 07:40:00 pm: I have a front wheel drive saturn LS. Not an SUV, but I made it out. Roads are not that bad. I live in Columbia, and we had 26.6" according to the weather report. If you had the flu, would you have felt they should also return your money?
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Post by: Joymonster on February 17, 2003, 07:46:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Sir HC: If you had the flu, would you have felt they should also return your money?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>If only things worked out that way... (http://www.930.com/ubb/biggrin.gif)But really, it's not that bad out there. Ice would be more of a problem for me than this. Then again, I'm Canadian so I've seen much worse.
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Post by: poorlulu on February 17, 2003, 07:46:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Sir HC: I If you had the flu, would you have felt they should also return your money?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>shhhhhh!!!! he probably would............
Title: Re: anyone else mad that the 930 cares more about money than
Post by: twangirl on February 17, 2003, 07:49:00 pm: FYI the artist does not reduce their fee just because there is a snowstorm of historic proportion. The club is required to pay the fee regardless of circumstances if the artist shows up and is "ready, willing, and able to perform", to quote the specific contactual clause.
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Post by: ggw on February 17, 2003, 08:12:00 pm: Nevermind[This message has been edited by ggw (edited 02-17-2003).]
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Post by: Guiny on February 17, 2003, 08:13:00 pm: Makes me wish i lived in Columbia then cause i live in Arlington and i wouldnt be able to get five feet out of my driveway.
Title: Re: anyone else mad that the 930 cares more about money than
Post by: megs on February 17, 2003, 08:23:00 pm: just cos i always do, i want to add my little bit to this here fabulous "debate." first off, i am a bit surprised by the less-then understanding attitude of the more regular listers. there are some of us, who not by choice but by necessity, live in the burbs. in my case, this would be the virginia burbs. virginia, too, is under a state of emergency. people are being urged to stay off the roads. i know my little honda could by no means make it out of my neighborhood, let alone up to d.c. i don't have a death-wish, i don't care who was playing tonight i wouldn't even try getting in my car and driving to the gig. as for the suggestion about metro, for those who weren't aware, those of us dependent upon an outdoor metro stop would be shit out of luck, as these stations aren't in service. and buses? ha! soooo how should we get to the gig?? by taxi? a friend of a friend was calling around, trying to get into town, only to be told unless it was an emergency he could forget about getting a cab. so while i do agree about the club not causing the snow (duh) and all that, i think the point of view of us punters not lucky enough to have a way to get to the show should be taken into account and not looked at as whining. i agree that the club should be offering a refund, because to some of you it's just $20, but to me it's a substantial bit of my paycheck. and i didn't cause the snow either. but i don't get to go see a show i've been looking forward to for ages. i know life isn't fair (thanks to those who so maturely pointed that out), but i don't think it's unreasonable to ask for compensation for circumstances out of people's control. and a blizzard is mildly different than the flu. i would never think about asking for a refund except in an extreme case, which i think this falls under. i know you all will take turns deriding this, but get off your high horses for a minute and think about this from a different point of view. i love the 9.30 and i will continue to go to shows there as long as they pull in the top flight bands, but i must say i am really upset at how this show has been handled.
Title: Re: anyone else mad that the 930 cares more about money than
Post by: BookerT on February 17, 2003, 09:46:00 pm: i see no reason why the club can't let you exchange an unused ticket to this show for an equally priced ticket to an upcoming show. i would have liked to have gone to the show, but as has been said by others, there is just no chance of getting anywhere, probably not for a few days even. i understand that it's not 930's fault, but there's that whole thing about customer satisfaction. giving back money is bad business, sure, but some sort of trade in should at least be considered.
Title: Re: anyone else mad that the 930 cares more about money than
Post by: markie on February 17, 2003, 09:53:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by megs: [B i am a bit surprised by the less-then understanding attitude of the more regular listers. [/B]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Why? You bought tickets, you cant go? Well its your loss. Simple as that. The band mabe it from Philadelpia, they perform and ticket sales pay for that performance, if you are there or not.Should the club refund people if the get flu? there car broke down? They forgot about the show? They found something better to do.The club are upholding there end of the deal by staging the show. If you dont go well they cant help that. And they should not have to refund you if you dont go for whatever reason at all.Read Twangirls post.
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Post by: kosmo vinyl on February 17, 2003, 09:55:00 pm: I'd love to be sympathetic... but I'm looking at possibly of eating $79 worth of Paul Weller tickets (2 tickets plus parking) because I'm in Portland OR and not scheduled to return until Thursday. (was suppose to fly back Monday). Thursday was the first date available to me. Should I complain to Southwest to refund my tickets because of the snowstorm? Many artist choose not to tour during the winter due to the unpredictable weather, make buying advanced tickets should be done with caution as well.Why not complain to the artists and not the club about going on with the show? Artists need fans to provide continued support.btw any chance that the phrase "get aids" could be treated as a punishable threat?
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Post by: VIOLENTMOODSWINGS on February 17, 2003, 10:34:00 pm: a side note:...i find it pretty funny that people from d.c tend to be less then sympathetic to people from baltimore during bad weather.Baltimore and it countys are set up differntly then d.c...its not a grid system and plowing isnt as easy.i live on a court that recived close to 3 feet of snow in parts.i own an suv and untill they plow im stuck...cant even atempt it.other people such as chris are alot more fortunate, they are in areas that either are on a plow route or close enough that its not as much of a fight to get out.i think people just need to realise that every situation is differnt. just because you are able to move about freely, others arnt. Its not fair to judge someone and call them a whiner because they are upset about spending money for somthing that they wont get to enjoy. fact is in their situation they have the right to complain. try putting yourself in their shoes before you act calace and cold to someone who is down on their luck. The fact is the situation sucks, and no matter what, people are gonna miss out. it doesnt mean you have to treat them like less of a person for it. For what its worth i feel bad for those who will miss out, and I feel worse for the people who need to make others feel worse about their situations.Someday maybe you'll know what it feels like to be dissapointed......untill next time take care of yourselves, and each other
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Post by: poorlulu on February 17, 2003, 10:40:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by VIOLENTMOODSWINGS: .Someday maybe you'll know what it feels like to be dissapointed......untill next time take care of yourselves, and each other<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Hey! I am married....... I put up with disappointment on a daily basis.....Still it doesnt change anything, where you are from or your reason for not going to a show. It is all immaterial: you dont go to a show, you wont get a refund.If you dont get that you are retarded.....
Title: Re: anyone else mad that the 930 cares more about money than
Post by: VIOLENTMOODSWINGS on February 17, 2003, 10:55:00 pm: i wouldnt dream of touching the refund side of this argument....only the side that deals with compashion for our fellow man
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Post by: kosmo vinyl on February 17, 2003, 10:55:00 pm: good points violentmoodswings... i will feel sympathic with all those unable to get to show, but that dosen't mean i wont also be feeling bitter if weds night rolls around and i'm still on the left coast. i don't however feel sympathic with the topic starter who didn't take the time to count to ten before lashing out against others.
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Post by: markie on February 17, 2003, 10:59:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by VIOLENTMOODSWINGS: i wouldnt dream of touching the refund side of this argument....only the side that deals with compashion for our fellow man <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>alright..... I feel sorry for people who cant make shows. But worse things happen than not making a show.But I will be really pissed off if I dont get to see Paul Weller Wednesday night.......BTW VMS, your spelling is worse than mine.....
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Post by: kosmo vinyl on February 17, 2003, 11:00:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Ikarus: this post was just eerily reminiscent of a conversation yesterday with thatguy and fluffy.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>this most of have been a good one... seeing as it's disappeared (http://www.930.com/ubb/smile.gif) recap anyone?
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Post by: Sir HC on February 17, 2003, 11:02:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by kosmo: this most of have been a good one... seeing as it's disappeared recap anyone?b]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I assume it happened at the club not on-line. That show *almost* went on so staph was all there.[This message has been edited by Sir HC (edited 02-17-2003).]
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Post by: megs on February 17, 2003, 11:04:00 pm: oh please, markie. your little examples such as flu and broken down car are sad indeed. not even in the same stratosphere! as i said before, i'd only seek compensation in an extreme circumstance. stop being such a meanie.
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Post by: markie on February 17, 2003, 11:08:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by megs: oh please, markie. your little examples such as flu and broken down car are sad indeed. not even in the same stratosphere! as i said before, i'd only seek compensation in an extreme circumstance. stop being such a meanie. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>what about being stuck in a distant airport, or a car crash or a family death.....All sad, but you wont get a refund. The club keeps up its end of the deal by putting on the show. Simple as that.
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Post by: Sir HC on February 17, 2003, 11:17:00 pm: Also how far a radius should they concider to be "in area" and give a refund to the people? I mean what if all of Maryland is snow free and someone coming from Pennsylvania gets snowed in, should they get a refund? I haven't a ticket on me, but I think the whole contract of the ticket is given on the back. What does it say about Acts of God on it?
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Post by: jadetree on February 17, 2003, 11:24:00 pm: I just read the back of a ticket quickly, basically says rules regarding refunds are up to the venue, and that it is up to the ticket holder to find out what those policies are. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Sir HC: Also how far a radius should they concider to be "in area" and give a refund to the people? I mean what if all of Maryland is snow free and someone coming from Pennsylvania gets snowed in, should they get a refund? I haven't a ticket on me, but I think the whole contract of the ticket is given on the back. What does it say about Acts of God on it?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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Post by: ggw on February 17, 2003, 11:30:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by jadetree: I just read the back of a ticket quickly, basically says rules regarding refunds are up to the venue, and that it is up to the ticket holder to find out what those policies are. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>On the front of Tickets.com tickets it says "NO REFUNDS/EXCHANGES"Ticketmaster tickets say "WEATHER POLICY: Tickets for all events are purchased at risk of inclement weather."
Title: Re: anyone else mad that the 930 cares more about money than
Post by: jadetree on February 17, 2003, 11:41:00 pm: from tickets.com website --Final Sale Policy All sales completed though Tickets.com are final. Our client venues do not allow us to refund or exchange any order once it has been confirmed, so please be sure you have selected the proper event and seat locations prior to completing your order. Once tickets are received, they are like cash and will not be replaced or refunded if lost or destroyed. For any ticket(s) purchased through Tickets.com, ticket purchaser understands that resale of such ticket(s) may be subject to federal, state and local laws and regulations related to such. Any violation of such laws may result in prosecution of ticket purchaser by such agency or other party. Tickets.com assumes no liability.
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Post by: Barcelona on February 17, 2003, 11:53:00 pm: I have been out the country for the last two weeks, don't know how bad the situation is, and haven't read the whole thread, but isn't it possible to take a taxi? Is everything shut down? Metro? I guess there should be an option. If it was my favorite band, I would even sky to the show if that was the only option left. That is the reason why I live in DC. You may encounter these situations if you live in these places outside any big city.
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Post by: Latvia on February 18, 2003, 12:38:00 am: If the club didn't care about its patrons, it wouldn't win national awards from the music business. I'd be disappointed if I missed a show because of the weather, but what can you do? The band showed up. If I had tickets, I wouldn't be able to make it. I can't get out of my driveway. I guess you can bitch at Mother Nature, who is the real culprit here. Things like this happen. I don't think ranting is going to change anything, especially when the ranting is aimed at a club with a history of taking care of its patrons.
Title: Re: anyone else mad that the 930 cares more about money than
Post by: markie on February 18, 2003, 12:42:00 am: I think the club takes care of patrons when they turn up for shows. That is their job, they do it well. It is not their job to make sure people can get to shows, fun as it maybe getting thatguy to give you a piggyback to the club from Alexandria.Giddy-UP!!!!
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Post by: Synical101 on February 18, 2003, 01:54:00 am: While I agree that the 9:30 Club isn't at fault for the inclement weather and marvin_mooney not being able to attend the show because of lack of sufficient transportation, I do agree that the 9:30 Club acted very irrational and irresponsible in holding a show in such weather that prevented many of the ticketholders for this show to be able to attend. I also think that the band/s are also to blame because they were irrational and irresponsible in playing a show in which many of ticketholders could not attend. Both the 9:30 Club and the band/s should have made a much wiser decision. And while I know the 9:30 Club and the band/s aren't obligated to give any sort of refund to the customers, they should consider some sort reimbursement due to the poor judgement on their parts.
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Post by: jadetree on February 18, 2003, 01:57:00 am: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Synical101: While I agree that the 9:30 Club isn't at fault for the inclement weather and marvin_mooney not being able to attend the show because of lack of sufficient transportation, I do agree that the 9:30 Club acted very irrational and irresponsible in holding a show in such weather that prevented many of the ticketholders for this show to be able to attend. I also think that the band/s are also to blame because they were irrational and irresponsible in playing a show in which many of ticketholders could not attend. Both the 9:30 Club and the band/s should have made a much wiser decision. And while I know the 9:30 Club and the band/s aren't obligated to give any sort of refund to the customers, they should consider some sort reimbursement due to the poor judgement on their parts.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>So it would have been better that nobody got to see the show and not seen the band for a long time?
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Post by: Synical101 on February 18, 2003, 02:16:00 am: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by jadetree: So it would have been better that nobody got to see the show and not seen the band for a long time?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>No. I'm not saying cancel the show. Just maybe postpone it at a more convenient time, when there's not 2-3 feet of snow on the ground preventing many of the people from making it.
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Post by: jadetree on February 18, 2003, 02:17:00 am: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Synical101: No. I'm not saying cancel the show. Just maybe postpone it at a more convenient time, when there's not 2-3 feet of snow on the ground preventing many of the people from making it.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>UK band on first US tour probably does not have a lot of make-up dates available
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Post by: Synical101 on February 18, 2003, 02:21:00 am: The band's gotta understand, they have a big ol' tour bus carting them around which is gonna plow through all that snow, no sweat. None of the fans coming to the show have that luxury, so getting to the show is most likely gonna be a problem. They need to take consideration in weather like this. I mean the bands gotta have 1 or 2 emergency makeup dates built into the schedule. If they don't it's poor planning on their part[This message has been edited by Synical101 (edited 02-18-2003).]
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Post by: Joymonster on February 18, 2003, 02:22:00 am: According to Helena, they hope to do a mini-tour throughout the states again in May.
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Post by: Synical101 on February 18, 2003, 02:31:00 am: Well anyways, while I know that situations like this occur from time to time and are inevitable, in extreme cases like this whomever makes the judgement on whether refunds are given should consider one for the patrons that were unable to make this show. I mean there should be some sort or reasonable solution that makes everyone happy. There has to be some sort of middle ground.For example: perhaps the if the band plays the 9:30 Club again the people who were unable to make it to tonights show could exchange their unused ticket for a ticket to the future show.[This message has been edited by Synical101 (edited 02-18-2003).]
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Post by: Shadrach on February 18, 2003, 02:39:00 am: A few quick points . . .First, although 9:30 does book a few shows at the Recher, we do not have any say in the day to day operation of that venue. If Recher management decides to close it's out of our hands. In other words don't assume that because they are closed 9:30 should also be closed.Second, try to keep in mind that there are plenty of club employees who would have been very happy to stay home, but went out and braved this weather so they could staff the club. Trust me when I say that there was consideration given to canceling the show.Lastly, and I know this is little consolation to those who are out $20.00, but there are plenty of logistical and legal reasons why we had to go on with the show. Do you have any idea what it would be like to rearrange a tour schedule, especially with a band from overseas? The contracts we have with the bands state that we will host a show on a given night. If the band is there and ready to play and we decide not to open our doors, we would be in breech of contract.Just some things to consider before condemning us as money-hungry folks who "don't care". It's very hard to run a business without being a business.
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Post by: Synical101 on February 18, 2003, 02:52:00 am: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Shadrach: A few quick points . . .First, although 9:30 does book a few shows at the Recher, we do not have any say in the day to day operation of that venue. If Recher management decides to close it's out of our hands. In other words don't assume that because they are closed 9:30 should also be closed.Second, try to keep in mind that there are plenty of club employees who would have been very happy to stay home, but went out and braved this weather so they could staff the club. Trust me when I say that there was consideration given to canceling the show.Lastly, and I know this is little consolation to those who are out $20.00, but there are plenty of logistical and legal reasons why we had to go on with the show. Do you have any idea what it would be like to rearrange a tour schedule, especially with a band from overseas? The contracts we have with the bands state that we will host a show on a given night. If the band is there and ready to play and we decide not to open our doors, we would be in breech of contract.Just some things to consider before condemning us as money-hungry folks who "don't care". It's very hard to run a business without being a business.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Oh don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to condemn the club. I'm sure you guys care alot about your patrons, especially all your repeat customers, because that's where all your revenue comes from and the goal of any business is to make a profit. I'm just saying, in situations like this I'm sure there has to be a solution of some sort, some sort of middle ground that makes everyone happy.
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Post by: thatguy on February 18, 2003, 03:38:00 am: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by kosmo: this most of have been a good one... seeing as it's disappeared (http://www.930.com/ubb/smile.gif) recap anyone?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>sorry, my personal stenographer couldn't make it through the snow to get to the club. the conversation took place in between loading in vince gill's gear and loading it right back out.
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Post by: thatguy on February 18, 2003, 03:46:00 am: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by markie: It is not their job to make sure people can get to shows, fun as it maybe getting thatguy to give you a piggyback to the club from Alexandria.Giddy-UP!!!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>that would require me to be able to get to alexandria. despite being able to get to the club and back in one piece on sunday, i could not get off of my street today. after a 20 minute ordeal even getting my front door open, i was ready to roll, but it wasn't in the cards. 100 yards or so from my house the road was clear, but snow drifts and a 4 foot wall of snow deposited at the end of my street by the plows were a bit more than even my jeep could handle. i bottomed out after about 10 feet and had to have my neighbors push me back into my spot. still no sign of the plows 12 hours later. hopefully i'll be free by work time tomorrow.
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Post by: eddie on February 18, 2003, 04:53:00 am: You're still fired.
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Post by: Sir HC on February 18, 2003, 05:18:00 am: What are you doing up at this hour? Do you ever sleep?
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Post by: J'Mal on February 18, 2003, 05:25:00 am: Sleep is for wussies.
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Post by: Medic on February 18, 2003, 10:20:00 am: Hey Eddie- if thatguy's fired... uh i could make it on the schedule! (http://www.930.com/ubb/tongue.gif)
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Post by: Sir HC on February 18, 2003, 10:37:00 am: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by eddie: You're still fried.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Too many shows?
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Post by: thatguy on February 18, 2003, 02:27:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by eddie: You're still fired.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>great. now i don't have to find a ride. i'm still snowed in. i hear you guys are hiring. can i come down for an interview later this week?
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Post by: thatguy on February 18, 2003, 02:28:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Medic: Hey Eddie- if thatguy's fired... uh i could make it on the schedule! (http://www.930.com/ubb/tongue.gif)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>you don't wanna do that. too many people would ask you how you got your ears to close up so fast.
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Post by: lesallyn on February 20, 2003, 01:09:00 am: I am not really understanding the argument here...I worked for a promoter for eight years, and I dont recall the company ever giving away refunds for snow, and it was in Denver, where a couple feet of snow is a normal winter day. If you buy tickets for a show in the middle of winter, what can you expect? Snow has nothing to do with the 930 caring more about money than thier patrons. Have you ever bought tickets for a show before? Buyers beware.I've lost out on tickets because of work, ect, and anyone that has ever been to a show knows if you cant get there, youre just fucked I guess.
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Post by: Fiona on February 21, 2003, 04:47:00 pm: I agree that the show should have been cancelled. You can't compare it to a person having the flu, having to work etc. because those situations affect only a few people while the 18 inches of snow affected a majority of the people who had tickets to the show. I don't really blame the 9:30 Club as much as I do the band. It seems to me that if I was in a band I would want to play for the largest possible number of people and have them hear my music and would show some consideration for my fans. My friend and I had tickets. We did not go even though we live only about ten blocks from the 9:30 club, so this did not just affect people living in the suburbs. The sidewalks were too snow covered and icy to walk as well as the temperature being sub freezing. We were worried that we would not be able to get a taxi since I heard that it was very difficult, if not impossible. I think this situation was handled very poorly. I agree that in most cases a concert should not be cancelled for bad weather if the band is able to get there. But this was an unusual circumstance involving a historic snow storm. I am a part-time yoga instructor and I cancelled my classes earlier in the evening and I don't understand why the 9:30 club and/or Ladytron couldn't have done the same thing.
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Post by: Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer on February 21, 2003, 04:52:00 pm: The band gets paid if they pay, they don't get paid if they cancel. If they had to pay travel expenses and all to get here, chances are they're not going to want to cancel the show and lose out on meal money. Did you get paid for the yoga class you didn't teach? <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Fiona: I agree that the show should have been cancelled. You can't compare it to a person having the flu, having to work etc. because those situations affect only a few people while the 18 inches of snow affected a majority of the people who had tickets to the show. I don't really blame the 9:30 Club as much as I do the band. It seems to me that if I was in a band I would want to play for the largest possible number of people and have them hear my music and would show some consideration for my fans. My friend and I had tickets. We did not go even though we live only about ten blocks from the 9:30 club, so this did not just affect people living in the suburbs. The sidewalks were too snow covered and icy to walk as well as the temperature being sub freezing. We were worried that we would not be able to get a taxi since I heard that it was very difficult, if not impossible. I think this situation was handled very poorly. I agree that in most cases a concert should not be cancelled for bad weather if the band is able to get there. But this was an unusual circumstance involving a historic snow storm. I am a part-time yoga instructor and I cancelled my classes earlier in the evening and I don't understand why the 9:30 club and/or Ladytron couldn't have done the same thing.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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Post by: twangirl on February 21, 2003, 06:06:00 pm: Many bands already have their year mapped out for them. In Ladytron's case there was no chance to rechedule in the foreseeable future. If they had decided to cancel the show, Marvin "Cockchowder" Mooney would have posted a vitriolic diatribe about there not being a reschedule date, and a similar dicussion would have ensued anyway, with just as much whining if not more. Bottom line, we had a major weather event, and a lot of people didn't get to do things they wanted to do because of it. Everything in life is subject to change without notice, learn to live with it.
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Post by: Shadrach on February 21, 2003, 07:18:00 pm: Fiona,You would have served yourself better by not admitting to living only ten blocks from the club, yet being to scared or lazy to walk to the show.When I hear people say things like that it always reminds me of some older person talking about how they had to walk 10 miles to school, in 3 feet of snow, uphill, both ways. How lazy and jaded are we as a society that a ten block walk in bad weather is too much?It's clear to me that there were plenty of folks who just didn't have a chance to make it to the show. Perhaps they live far and maybe they hadn't been plowed out yet. Those people are the ones I have sympathy for.As far as your situation, well it seems to me that you made a concious decision to swallow the ticket price and miss the show. My only hope for you is that next time Ladytron comes through town we don't have fog or mist or a solar eclipse.
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Post by: not too shabby on February 21, 2003, 07:41:00 pm: I understand completely why the show went ahead. I had a ticket, but was trapped in another city. Oh well. I hear that the show was pretty good and a lot of people made it out. I'm sorry I couldn't be one of them, but I'm not bitter about it!
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Post by: Herr Professor Doktor Doom on February 21, 2003, 08:13:00 pm: Good god, I went for a ten-block walk to nowhere at the height of the storm just to avoid going stir crazy! (http://www.930.com/ubb/eek.gif)
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Post by: J'Mal on February 21, 2003, 08:32:00 pm: If you can't walk ten blocks because there's a little snow on the ground, you don't deserve to see your favorite, or any other, band. What the hell is wrong with you?I know lots of people who had to walk in the same weather over ten blocks to get to work, to get to metro (hahaha), or, like me, just to walk the dog (who likes the snow, but doesn't listen to ladytron).
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Post by: Urbansprite on February 21, 2003, 09:25:00 pm: this is really very simple. in addition to all of the valid explanations presented by the club (which i have to say guys - i don't miss at all!), tickets are contracts. most of the people bitching probably lack the life experience to realize that they enter into such contracts every day. need someone to fix your pipes? that service form you sign has a whole lotta small type on the back. by signing, you are agreeing to those terms. if you don't - no fixed pipes. plane tickets are contracts - agree to the small type on there or you don't fly. credit card slips, metrobus tokens, sending something by FedEX - all contracts with terms you need to agree to. now you don't think about it 99% of the time because usually things go as planned. but when the few instances surface that they don't (which is why such terms are furnished to you in the first place), you can't whine and say you didn't know. no one hid the cancellation terms from you. they are available through many means, and in fact are handed to you. furthermore, no one held a gun to your head and forced you to buy the tickets. you entered into the agreement willingly. so just shut up and be glad that you almost always get exactly what you want, and every now and again - under exceptional circumstances - you'll get the shit end of the stick. that's just the way it is, and the sooner you learn the rules, the faster you will be able to be a viable force in life instead of an ignorant wanker.oh and by the way - the club should not have to apologize for being a business. taking care of their patrons is a very important aspect of that operation, and something that they do exceptionally well. but operating on a smart economic system is imperative as well if you want such a quality venue to stick around. that should be of particular importance to those of you under 21 as it is a rare thing in this country when a club cares enough about their patrons to mandate that shows be all ages since they can make more money by packing the club with those that can consume alcohol.[This message has been edited by Urbansprite (edited 02-21-2003).]
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Post by: dulcinea on February 23, 2003, 05:26:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Doctor Doom: Good god, I went for a ten-block walk to nowhere at the height of the storm just to avoid going stir crazy! (http://www.930.com/ubb/eek.gif)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Yes! I seriously thought about moving out of my dorm and into a hole in the snow. I've been trapped at uni for pretty much an entire week. It's actually kind of amusing because they can't plow hardly anywhere unless people move their cars, but people can't move their cars because they're stuck in two feet of snow. I guess it's better than at my boyfriend's college, which is much smaller, so if you couldn't move your car, they just took your keys and moved it "for" you. Now that was a disaster. I was lucky cause it rained enough here that I actually didn't have to dig my truck out at all. Just had to have a little patience. (http://www.930.com/ubb/smile.gif)As for relevance to the topic as a whole... shit happens, man. I mean, maybe the show should have been cancelled, but it's not like they could have just made it up the next day or something. They're on TOUR. they have places they are obligated to play, after all. Suck it up, and move on. It HAPPENED. Bitching about it now doesn't exactly change anything. It sucks, of course. I mean, if this happened at, for example, Toad the Wet Sprocket... I would cry like a baby. But then I would get on with my life. No point in dwelling on it, really.
Title: Re: anyone else mad that the 930 cares more about money than
Post by: bikerchickdc on February 23, 2003, 08:48:00 pm: Quote
Originally posted by BookerT: i see no reason why the club can't let you exchange an unused ticket to this show for an equally priced ticket to an upcoming show. 9:30 pays the band a flat rate to play and bases their ticket prices on covering the band's fee with projected attendance. There's no discount if the show does not sell well, and there is no bonus to the band if the show sells better than expected. This is how it's done in other venues like 9:30 as well. Extending a free ticket to those who got snowed in just takes money off the club's bottom line. The only time the 9:30 does NOT pay the band is if the band does not play. SO if anyone has to be pissed at anyone, be pissed at the band. More likely at their management. 9:30 is really one of the most professionally run operations of its type in the country. Don't be pissed at them for wanting to run a business and (god forbid) turn a profit.By the way, I can also see the band's side on this one. I'm out a pile of money for a missed day at work. (I wanted to and was able to get to work but the office was shut down so I didn't even get the option.) It's completely unreasonable to expect the band to take the hit on this one. I was out for a bit both Sunday and Monday of that weekend and the bars and restaurants downtown seemed to be doing a brisk business. Guess the people who wanted to be out found a way to get there and the people who wanted to be home stayed home. It all depends on how bad you want something. I guess 9:30 wanted to honor their contract and the band wanted to get paid more than the loser who started this thread wanted to get out of the house.[This message has been edited by bikerchickdc (edited 02-23-2003).]
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Post by: Seth Hurwitz on February 24, 2003, 08:26:00 am: not really much to add here, as everyone on both sides seems to get it.the day of the show, we had more people calling that wanted the show to happen than did not. if we thought nobody would have gone, we would have told the band sorry, we're glad you made it here, but nobody else is going to. I'm not sure what we would have done about paying them if we decided to cancel.the night before, for example, Vince Gill had already loaded in when we told them it just wasn't possible. fortunately, they had some open dates on their schedule and common sense ruled but, again, I don't know what would have happened had they sat there and demanded to be paid because they were ready to play.the vast majority of people that bought tickets to Ladytron showed up, by the way.but, as I'm not a big fan of people that can't tolerate have-nots, I have to sympathize with people that couldn't get here. in that regard, I'd like to offer them tickets to another show. call Julie down at the club with your story and she will take care of you.I would have done this a week ago but I was having too much fun watching people take up for the club.
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Post by: markie on February 24, 2003, 11:35:00 am: Oh Seth you spoilsport, dont blame us now that you have vindicated the whiners.I expect all sorts of whines from now on.Next time I think a performer isnt up to scratch or didnt play long enough I am going to piss and moan for months.
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Post by: muleboy on February 24, 2003, 03:32:00 pm: I *hate* it that I have such nice things to say about the club, and about Seth, but here goes:I'm not surprised Seth is helping out folks who got screwed by the snow [nor am I surprised that he kept them waiting], because the guy actually LIKES WHAT HE's DOING! He likes putting on shows. He likes it when people have a good time. Sure, he's a tough businessman who'll screw you to a wall if he has to, but hasn't anybody else gone to a show and seen him sneak out on the little balcony, or cruise the floor, because it's a *cool show* and he got it to happen?I watched him checking out the Razz and the Monkees, and I thought he was gonna cum on himself. I think I saw the same thing the first time Cheap trick played there. Or a couple of early hip hop shows.As clubs go, 9:30 blows and sucks because it is big and successful. We all wanna hate the establishment, man! But, truth be told, it's a fabulously fun, exciting, safe [I know; *that's* not very rock and roll either, man], cheap place to see some amazing shit. Um, can I get a gig, man? . . .
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Post by: markie on February 24, 2003, 04:19:00 pm: can we all join "your" club? (http://www.63rdinfdiv.com/4brownnosecard.jpg)
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Post by: kosmo vinyl on February 24, 2003, 06:25:00 pm: for once markie is so money... i've been brown nosing the wrong people round these parts. so no more kosmo luv for eddie, thatguy, etc. and selling my soul to evilsatan was just about the biggest mistake i ever made!
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Post by: Henry Dark on February 24, 2003, 06:41:00 pm: Who is this Seth fellow? I though ThatGuy was the owner of the 9:30 club.
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Post by: Urbansprite on February 24, 2003, 09:32:00 pm: you mean you got money for your soul, kosmo? damn it! evilsatan told me it was a "family tradition" back in 1996. fucker. hey eddie - what are my chances of getting my soul back?
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Post by: Seth Hurwitz on February 24, 2003, 09:37:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by markie: Oh Seth you spoilsport, dont blame us now that you have vindicated the whiners.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>now, come on, you all know me well enough to know I don't give in to whining.I just think that snow thing was bad enough where some people actually couldn't get to the show if they wanted to and I don't need to take their money and not deliver anything in return.has nothing to do with what they said about it.
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Post by: megs on February 24, 2003, 10:04:00 pm: as one of the "whiners," i would like to profusely thank you, seth. i am one of the luckless ones that had a ticket for ladytron and got totally trapped by the snow. there was absolutely no way for me to have made it in for the gig, no safe way anyway. i, and probably everyone else who wasn't able to make it to the show, am profusely grateful for what you're doing. it's nice to know that someone in the club business is concerned with all their patrons. thanks bunches.
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Post by: indiEmily on February 24, 2003, 10:32:00 pm: If you feel names such as cockchowder are appropriate then that's your deal... however, as overly pc as this may sound, I realllly do not think that terms such as "retard" and "get aids" are even remotely funny. I've done volunteer work with people who are mentally retarded and have great sympathy for those that have aids, and this really bothers me. I'm sure you're not bad people and I'm not trying to start anything, but when I read get aids my jaw dropped. That's one of those things, unlike cockcough or whatever it was, that cannot or should not ever be construed as funny or appropriate in the context it was used. And poorlulu, I know retard wasn't meant in a malicious way, many people unfortunately use that term. However, I've never heard anyone else use marvin_mooney 's wish for someone get aids because it is so blatantly offensive, but whatever if you think thatâ??s funnyâ?¦ think before you write/speak.
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Post by: wingelbert humptyback on February 24, 2003, 10:56:00 pm: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by indiEmily: If you feel names such as cockchowder are appropriate then that's your deal... however, as overly pc as this may sound, I realllly do not think that terms such as "retard" and "get aids" are even remotely funny.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I'm not even remotely PC. In fact, I shouldn't even be left alone in a room with someone who is. But I have to say, telling someone to "get aids" is probably one of the more ignorant statements I've heard in a good long while. I can only hope that anyone who says that and means it is next on fate's to-do list for that very same thing. Karma is fun like that.
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Post by: eddie on February 24, 2003, 11:23:00 pm: kosmo - sell it to one of us sell it to all of us. we're borg like that. indiemily - most of us around here are a little more human than that mooney fellow. just a little. urbansprite - no way no how.
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Post by: ggw on February 25, 2003, 12:07:00 am: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Seth Hurwitz: now, come on, you all know me well enough to know I don't give in to whining.I just think that snow thing was bad enough where some people actually couldn't get to the show if they wanted to and I don't need to take their money and not deliver anything in return.has nothing to do with what they said about it.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Someone's getting soft in their old age........
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Post by: Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer on March 25, 2005, 04:26:00 pm: Can we talk a bit more about this one?
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Post by: eltee on March 25, 2005, 04:31:00 pm: Quote
Someone's getting soft in their old age........ [/QB]
Go ahead. I hear Viagra works wonders.
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Post by: vansmack on March 25, 2005, 05:26:00 pm: Quote
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Someone's getting soft in their old age........ [/b]
Go ahead. I hear Viagra works wonders. [/QB]
Seem to be working wonders for Pat Obrien. (http://patobrienvoicemail.com/) (heed the warning before you click the link on the next page - absolutely not work safe.)
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Post by: on March 26, 2005, 12:30:00 am: Quote
Originally posted by vansmack:

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Originally posted by Winter Pays For Summer:

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Someone's getting soft in their old age........ [/b]
Go ahead. I hear Viagra works wonders. [/b]
Seem to be working wonders for Pat Obrien. (http://patobrienvoicemail.com/) (heed the warning before you click the link on the next page - absolutely not work safe.) [/QB]
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