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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: kosmo vinyl on August 08, 2003, 09:58:00 pm
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Why no warmup acts for the Sex Pistols in DC? The rest of the dates have Dropkick Murphys and Rev Horton Heat. Not like it's a big deal, I'm just being curious. I know curiousity killed the cat...
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dunno. another good question is why hasn't this show sold out yet? i would've thought it had sold out a long time ago.
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Maybe partly because they're doing no promotion in DC. When I went up to Philly last Sunday for the Man Utd game I saw a massive billboard promoting the Pistols show up there, I haven't seen anything in this area.
My guess is a lot of the original Pistols fans are about my age (43) and most of them have somewhat lost interest in the music scene so don't check out to see who's coming on a regular basis...and therefore have no idea they're coming to town. Just a thought.
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its not sold out cos the pistols are old and shite.
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Originally posted by bungle bud:
its not sold out cos the pistols are old and shite.
So is Wilco, Rolling Stones, James Brown etc etc. and they seem to do okay.
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Originally posted by bungle bud:
its not sold out cos the pistols are old and shite.
old, shite and also people realize paying $40+ to see lydon screaming about anarchy in the uk seems a bit ridiculous and outdated now.
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I'd like to know how long their set is. Can't imagine it being much longer than your average set considering they don't have much of a back catelogue and all of their songs are typically Punk short. And not having an opening band only makes it that much tougher for a lot of people to decide to plob down a half a Cleveland (w/ service fees) for a 30-45 minute show, especially in this rotten economy. I can understand the asking price for a band with their fame but once you get through all the left-over hype, you really need to include a lot of half way decent filler. You know, like getting an old, emaciated turkey and stuffing it with some good chestnut dressing on Thanksgiving so your guests feel satified and don't go away hungry. Seems to me that there are lots of bands who would open for drinks on the house just for the glory of opening for The Sex Pistols.
Thinking of the local Punk scene, Fugazi would be a great opener. Not my kind of music (I'm not into the whole Discord sound in the least!) but I know if you could get Ian and the boys to get together just for that show, a lot of people would come just for them. I know, just more Punk dreams.
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Fugazi would never play a $40 show, except for MACROCK which may not even cost that much but it's more of an event than most shows.
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It seems to me , with all of the smart people on here, able to see the evils and wrong doings in the world, that we wouldve all realized that this is just a publicity/marketing thing. I mean really...punk is/was about something "now" something that is relevant to life, now. No love songs that about people who are made up in someones head, or guy speaking Icelandic.
Anyway, Punk is not old "semi" original members of a 70s UK punk band whos not MAD or PUNK anymore and neither are their fans.
boooorring. but if we all pay the $40 and go to the show, maybe some other bands that are better off remembered young and punk, not old and in need of a gig, will come back...you know, like Jane's Addiction maybe!
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Originally posted by Captain Jack:
Fugazi would never play a $40 show, except for MACROCK which may not even cost that much but it's more of an event than most shows.
$40 is if you purchase the pass to get into all the shows..the individual shows are usually just a couple bucks...at least they were when i was at JMU..they might've changed the rules or something
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
boooorring. but if we all pay the $40 and go to the show, maybe some other bands that are better off remembered young and punk, not old and in need of a gig, will come back...you know, like Jane's Addiction maybe!
i feel like i am the only person on earth that doesn't like Jane's Addiction...i really can't stand them..and i've tried to listen to them too
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Originally posted by MaLo:
i feel like i am the only person on earth that doesn't like Jane's Addiction...i really can't stand them..and i've tried to listen to them too
I don't like them either
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I would personally pay big bucks for a PIL reunion with John, Jah, and Keith. That would be a great show, and since that music is not so "punk engergy" the old farts could probably pull it off well.
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Why can't a band play with punk energy just because they're pushing 50? The context is different from 1977, and the drugs may be different, but the personalities and chemistry aren't necessarily different just because they're older.
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Originally posted by Mobius:
Why can't a band play with punk energy just because they're pushing 50? The context is different from 1977, and the drugs may be different, but the personalities and chemistry aren't necessarily different just because they're older.
Because they'll look stupid doing it...just like I would if I was in the mosh pit pogo'ing at 43 years old. On the other hand, if they don't care about looking stupid...like the Rolling Stones obviously don't...then why not?
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and csn is still singing about going to woodstock, or about an event in ohio, or teaching children to sing. mccartney still want to hold your hand. tom jones still gets knickers tossed at him.
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Originally posted by Mobius:
Why can't a band play with punk energy just because they're pushing 50? The context is different from 1977, and the drugs may be different, but the personalities and chemistry aren't necessarily different just because they're older.
A band can, Mission of Burma did it. These guys have lost that right (well Johnny at least) by becoming a huge success and being rich. No longer can he sing with conviction about some of these topics because it doesn't ring true. I am going to see Steve Jones, he has always been a great guitarist, saw him on his Mercy tour, would love to see him do his classics.
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Originally posted by Robert Pollard:
Originally posted by MaLo:
i feel like i am the only person on earth that doesn't like Jane's Addiction...i really can't stand them..and i've tried to listen to them too
I don't like them either [/b]
phew! im' not alone. i totally can't get into them. bleh.
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Originally posted by paige:
Originally posted by Robert Pollard:
Originally posted by MaLo:
i feel like i am the only person on earth that doesn't like Jane's Addiction...i really can't stand them..and i've tried to listen to them too
I don't like them either [/b]
phew! im' not alone. i totally can't get into them. bleh. [/b]
woot!
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
and csn is still singing about going to woodstock, or about an event in ohio, or teaching children to sing. mccartney still want to hold your hand. tom jones still gets knickers tossed at him.
I suppose we shouldnt compare the Sex Pistols to Tom Jones, or CSN. Considering Blink 182's recording career lasted longer than the Sex Pistols did. (and its still going i think)
you are never too old to be sexy (Tom Jones) but i think after a certain age, screaming of anarchy and what not looks dumb. Besides, do you want the last memory you have of this band seeing Johhny Rotten shit in his depends on stage?
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I imagine they have no support at the 9:30 because the 9:30 is a smaller venue than the other venues on the tour. To have a quality opener like Horton Heat would add even more to the ticket price. Horton Heat has a separate 9:30 show with Southern Culture on the Skids in September (in my book a much better show than the Sex Pistols).
I was chatting with a guy at the BR549 show at the Birchmere recently who said he saw the Pistols at the Patriot Center on their last reunion tour, and he said they played 85-90 mins, and that the tickets were a lot less than $40.
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This is the review of when I saw the Sex Pistols in 1996. its hilarious, a true story, and NOT my review.
and no i didnt win the contest, i just know people ;)
Addicted To Noise Toronto correspondent John Sakamoto reports:
After being showered with beer and pelted with lit cigarette butts for 45 minutes, Johnny Rotten finally re-captured a glimmer of the original spirit of the Sex Pistols when he instructed the crowd at a surprise club show that took place on Tuesday night (Aug. 20) to go fuck themselves, and promptly stomped off stage.
Though they'd played a rapturously received concert in Toronto to 9,800 fans just eight days earlier, the Pistols were lured back by another load of filthy lucre to be the "prize" in a beer promotion called Blind Date. The gimmick: contest-winners from across Canada are flown to a small club -- in this case, The Guvernment, formerly known as RPM -- to see a big-name act whose identity is kept secret 'til the moment the band actually walks on stage.
Given the fact that previous Blind Dates have featured the likes of Soundgarden and Metallica, the initial reaction from the 500 or so winners to the sight of Rotten, Glen Matlock, Steve Jones, and Paul Cook ambling on stage could politely be described as mild disappointment. (It probably didn't help matters that, prior to the show, one mischievous industry type showed up early and broadly hinted to those at the front of the line that they were about to see Hootie & The Blowfish.)
After uneventful (and uninspiring) versions of "Bodies," "Seventeen," and "New York" -- played exactly the same as they were at the previous Toronto show, the tour kick-off in Denver, and on the Filthy Lucre Live CD -- a small but noisy contingent of punters started up a soccer-style chant of "BOR-ing." That was soon accompanied by a steady stream of beer and lit cigarette butts, all hurled in the general vicinity of an increasingly pissed-off Rotten.
"I'm warning you wankers, you can just stop that right now," he growled, glaring at the crowd. "If those responsible would like to come up here, I'll show you just how violence works." At which point the band launched into the best, most convincing version of "No Feelings" I've ever heard. Unlike the well-tooled arena version they've been trotting out on the rest of the tour, this one actually sounded like they meant it, man.
As for Rotten, for once he wasn't in control. Instead, he was seething and, for one brief moment, the fat, forty-ish, 1996 version of the Sex Pistols had re-captured a glimmer of punk's original spirit. The previously indifferent audience, however, was having none of it. Half a dozen numbers later, amid increasingly louder jeering and a steady stream of foreign objects, Rotten finally snapped. After venting his rage at the apparent source of the lit cigarettes he'd been dodging all night, he uttered a few more choice obscenities, delivered a brief, self-righteous lecture, and walked off stage, shortly followed by the rest of the band.
It was perfect.
Unfortunately, Rotten & Co. ruined the moment by slinking back on stage 10 minutes later, and the rest of the proceedings qualified as a distinct anti-climax. The only notable moment came when Rotten surveyed the crowd one last time and dismissively remarked, "Look at you, you can't even handle your Molson," referring to the beverage that was the real reason the Pistols were there. Then, in the closest thing the band, in its current incarnation, has come to a subversive act, he insulted the sponsor's product.
"You know," he sneered, "the British word for Molson is SHANDY."
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"You know," he sneered, "the British word for Molson is SHANDY."
HA HAHAHAHAHA HA HA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...that's classic, yet so true.
So the British word for Budweiser,Miller etc must be "urine".
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Will Markie be wearing his bondage pants at this show?
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Originally posted by mankie:
"You know," he sneered, "the British word for Molson is SHANDY."
HA HAHAHAHAHA HA HA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...that's classic, yet so true.
So the British word for Budweiser,Miller etc must be "urine".
I am not sure there even IS a british word for Budweiser....they probably prefer not to speak of it...
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I tend to notice people in other parts of the world treating Miller, Bud, etc. as if they were some kind of exotic beers.
Originally posted by mankie:
"You know," he sneered, "the British word for Molson is SHANDY."
HA HAHAHAHAHA HA HA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...that's classic, yet so true.
So the British word for Budweiser,Miller etc must be "urine".
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Will Markie be wearing his bondage pants at this show?
I am not sure.....
They are really a bit too good and a little too constrictive to pogo in effectively...... I did get a cheap seditionaries knock off anarchy T-shirt, "for soldiers prostiutes dykes and punks" for the occassion.
I am keeping my expectations for the show at rock bottom. That way being half OK will seem like great.
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Just so long as they don't do an "unplugged" portion of the show.
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
[QB] I tend to notice people in other parts of the world treating Miller, Bud, etc. as if they were some kind of exotic beers.
You're exactly right...I remember going into the pubs back home and all the young-guns were drinking the nasty stuff, ROOM TEMPERATURE! I think it's just the obsession with everything American, they can't possibly have enjoyed it.
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Originally posted by MaLo:
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
boooorring. but if we all pay the $40 and go to the show, maybe some other bands that are better off remembered young and punk, not old and in need of a gig, will come back...you know, like Jane's Addiction maybe!
i feel like i am the only person on earth that doesn't like Jane's Addiction...i really can't stand them..and i've tried to listen to them too [/b]
I absolutely hate that band! Can't stand Porno For Pyros either. It's mostly Perry Ferrel's voice that drives me fucking insane! It's that spoilt rotten brat little boy whiney that I can't take. They have one song that I think that I might like if it were performed by someone else and someone who doesn't try to sound like them. Took years to even get that far with it.
As far as The Sex Pistols being able to rock out at their age, I don't see that as a problem at all. I will admit though that it is more common than not for a band to lose whatever energy or drive they once had to be convincing or enjoyable. If anything, I find a bigger problem to be a lot of the ageist within the public who jump to conclusions about someone because of their age rather than letting the performers speak, sing, or play for themselves. But, yes, I can't help but think that though there will be some great moments, The Sex Pistols will have a hard time conjuring up their whole original Punk mentality and image when they don't live that life anymore.
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I wonder if markie heckles old Johnny?
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Originally posted by mankie:
I wonder if markie heckles old Johnny?
I have a few saved up.....
you're so pretty, oh so pretty, old.
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Originally posted by markie:
Originally posted by mankie:
I wonder if markie heckles old Johnny?
I have a few saved up.....
you're so pretty, oh so pretty, old. [/b]
Is this the MPLA? Or is this the AARP?
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Is this the M.P.L.A
Or is this the U.D.A
Or is this the I.R.A
I thought it was the U.K or just
another country
another council tenancy
I still dont know what the MPLA is. although a google search suggested the mountain plains library association....
http://www.usd.edu/mpla/ (http://www.usd.edu/mpla/)
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Originally posted by markie:
Is this the M.P.L.A
Or is this the U.D.A
Or is this the I.R.A
I thought it was the U.K or just
another country
another council tenancy
I still dont know what the MPLA is. although a google search suggested the mountain plains library association....
http://www.usd.edu/mpla/ (http://www.usd.edu/mpla/)
Popular Movement for the Liberation of Angola.
http://www.angola.org/referenc/history/tour4.html (http://www.angola.org/referenc/history/tour4.html)
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Sex Pistols â?? Anarchy in the USA?
NASHVILLE: Punk godfathers The Sex Pistols are heading to the US â?? but can they sell tickets?
"That's a good question," says Jim Glancy, vice-president for promoter Clear Channel Entertainment in New York. The answer will come soon enough; the punk pioneers embark on their first tour in seven years this summer.
The Pistols' John "Johnny Rotten" Lydon has no false illusions that tickets will fly out the window.
"They won't blow out," he says with a sneer. "We're just filling in between. And I don't care; I just do what I do. Bloody hell."
Despite punk's enduring popularity â?? perhaps best exemplified by the consistently successful Vans Warped tour â?? the Sex Pistols' drawing power remains somewhat of an enigma.
Not counting their ill-fated, seven-date 1978 fiasco, the band has only toured North America once, on 1996's Filthy Lucre reunion tour.
The absence makes the band a bit of an unknown entity. "I have a pretty good idea about what I'm gonna do with something like classic rock, modern rock or country," Glancy says, "but with the Sex Pistols, I have nothing to compare it to."
The Pistols package includes Dropkick Murphys and the Reverend Horton Heat. The tour is just 13 dates, beginning August 20 at FleetBoston Pavilion in Boston and wrapping September 7 at the San Diego Street Scene festival.
Lydon considers the '96 tour "very successful, but not money-wise. How would it be? We're the Sex Pistols, nobody likes us and we don't care."
So why reunite now?
"Who says we reunited?" Lydon asks. "We never separated. We don't need a reason for anything. Let the copycats sit around and come up with reasons for things."
Still, Lydon seems to think the time is right to spread a little anarchy in North America. "There is a vast amount of disenfranchised in America," he says. "It's important to let them know we're still here."
BACK FOR MORE
Glancy would like to do better than the 1996 average on his August 21 show at Tommy Hilfiger at Jones Beach Performing Arts Centre in Wantagh, NY.
Break-even is between 5,000 and 6,000, and Glancy says the curiosity factor alone ought to be enough to hit that number. "I'd be disappointed if we didn't do 6,000-7,000," he says.
Elliott Lefko, VP of artist development for House of Blues Concerts Canada, promoted the Pistols in '96 and is looking forward to HOB's August 25 Pistols show at Toronto's Molson Amphitheatre.
Lefko says ticket sales are "about what we thought they would be" in the early going, at between 3,000 and 4,000. He says they ended up at about 5,000 in 1996, but the show was even more successful on another level.
"This was one of the best shows we've ever done here, not in terms of sales, but how the joint was rocking," Lefko recalls. "It seemed like the whole amphitheatre was pogo-ing."
Lefko believes the Pistols tour fills an under-served niche. "This audience doesn't have much out there anymore," he says. "It's a really cool audience, but they're not gonna go see Korn or a lot of what's on the radio."
Individual promoter deals were cut in each market, with buyers including CCE, HOB and independents. "Everyone's really excited," Opaleski says. "This is a band that shaped the scope of contemporary music."
Lydon is not surprised that promoters came to the table. "They always do, mate," he says. "We need them, and they need us."
Despite the tour's brevity, it is unlikely other dates will be added. "We wanted to hit the major majors and keep it short and sweet," Opaleski says.
"This is all we could get," Lydon counters. "If we can get more along the way, we will."
The Pistol's production will be predictably low-fi. "There will be no twaddling about playing with knobs and all that," he says. "We're the smallest-equipped band possible, but we kick up a ferocious sound."
BIG IN BAGHDAD?
Lydon says he is indeed serious when asked about published reports that the Pistols want to play Baghdad.
"We're very, very interested in playing Baghdad, and we're meeting all kinds of denials and red tape," Lydon says. "I'm slowly cutting my way through it."
He adds: "If you want to give them democracy, do it properly. Give them the Sex Pistols. Wake up, America."
Lydon says the band would promote the show "as an act of charity," adding, "I don't do these things as a joke or a prank, as strange as that may sound to those of lesser mental abilities that really don't get the point of being alive."
Dropkick Murphys, a Boston-based, Celtic-tinged punk band, will hook up with the Sex Pistols following a stint on Warped, bringing some box-office clout of their own to the tour, particularly in their hometown.
According to Somers, "The last time Dropkick Murphys played Boston over St. Patrick's Day, they sold out four nights at the Avalon in advance â?? over 8,000 tickets."
Lydon calls Dropkick Murphys "a good bunch of lads." But he is mostly unimpressed with today's punk artists.
"Britney Spears is as punk as that silly Lavigne bird," he says. "I never, ever cared for Green Day, with their ice cream van and huge video productions. As far as I'm concerned, anything that's MTV-led I worry about. MTV is like a headless chicken."
Lydon feels young punk acts might be well-served to see the Pistols in action this summer.
"We can't find sponsors, we don't have a record company. But we're still here. That might be a bloody good little education for anyone out there that wants to be a pop star. They shouldn't want to be. They should want to be something more serious â?? a la us."